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Posts filed under 'Open Thread'
By Phil Hecken
Got a whole mess of stuff today, and a couple of announcements. Nothing really to constitute a “main article” but rather a bunch of smaller bits. So lets get started.
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 Uni Watch “Cold Case” File? It all started when a couple of weeks ago, Ricko announced to me he saw a member of the Cleveland Indians (possibly George Hendrick) in what appeared to be an all-blue uniform. Ricko believed it was at an All-Star Game (I believe he saw it on one of those ASG shows), and it was just a fleeting shot. Last weekend, I put out the call for anyone who had possibly any knowledge of the Indians ever wearing a monochrome blue uniform to please get in touch. Unfortunately, no one did, or if they said they had seen such a beast, no photographic proof was ever found. Like Fox Mulder, I want to believe there is such a uniform photograph out there.
This would most likely have occurred sometime during the Indians “Caveman uniform” (because of the font style) period. Now, the 1975 All Star Game was played in Milwaukee (which was in the AL at the time), the 1976 game was played in Philadelphia, and but George Hendrick didn’t play in this game, and the 1977 game was played in Yankee Stadium (resulting in another UW Cold Case). Even though the Indians at that time may have worn the blue tops at “home,” it’s far more likely that if they ever wore blue pants, it would have been on the road. Hence, 1976.
To date, no photos of the “all blue” uni turned up. But, there were some great finds by the readers. First, and this ran in the comments this past week, was this black and white photograph of the Indians wearing a blue top and red pants. But that’s black and white, you say, how can you tell it’s blue over red. Aside from several devout Indians followers who said it was so, it’s tough to tell. Apparently they almost never wore this combination. What we needed was photographic proof. Well guess what? We got it! (That shot comes courtesy of Bill Walsh.) Thanks Bill!
Finally, in an effort to help with the uniforms worn in the 1976 All Star Game, Larry Wiederecht provided me with this shot of the ‘76 AL All Stars. There are three Indians pictured, Frank Robinson (wearing the red top with white pants), Bob Lemon (wearing a blue top and white pants), and Dave LaRoche (wearing blue top, but the pants are obscured). Could he be the “all blue” Indian? Interstingly, pictured right next to LaRoche is Goose Gossage, who is wearing the all blue Chicago White Sox uniform. Is it possible he’s the guy Ricko thought he saw?
Perhaps we can have the UW sleuths give this one last college try, and see if we can’t turn up some kind of photographic evidence of an all blue Indians uniform. We can’t let this turn into the mythical “blue pony” Rick swears was on that 1962 Broncos helmet. If this was, in fact, worn during an All Star Game, someone has to have a dvd or video tape of the game, right? Surely we can find a picture somewhere.
And on a completely unrelated note, in Friday’s ticker, there was a fantastic collection of photographs of the Bears playing in Wrigley. Sometime back in November, I believe, the topic of football fields in baseball stadia was brought up, and specifically the Bears playing in Wrigley. It was mentioned that due to Wrigley’s size, the playing field barely fit into the stadium’s dimensions, resulting in one of the endzones being “cropped” and actually ending up in the Cubs’ dugout. Back then, some discussion ensued and we tried to find close up pictures of that endzone/dugout. Nothing really close up was found. If anyone has or can point us to a close up shot of the dugout in the endzone, that would be great too!
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Thursday’s column on the White Sox and the “possible need” for new uniforms (or at least some tweaks) was met by mostly positive reaction. That’s cool, not everyone has to like the idea. But, I did receive a number of E-mails from readers who were interested in taking a shot at “fixing” another team (including some who wanted to tweak NFL and college football teams). The football will have to wait, but I think the next team for which uniform changes are due is the Milwaukee Brewers. Now, I’ve already got one of the Crew’s finest fans on board for this one, but I would hope any of you graphic artists in residence would also like to take a shot at improving, tweaking, overhauling, etc. the Brewers, please give me a holler. There were lots of calls for teams (including the A’s, Blue Black Jays, Mets, Natinals and others) to be overhauled, but for the next round, we’re going to fix the Brew Crew.
Interestingly, I also received submissions for the Orioles (courtesy of Joe Hilseberg), Cardinals (from Kyle Kendall) and Astros (thanks to Brian Fletcher) — and the Astros are surely in need of a uniform overhaul. I also received two additional submissions from those who wanted to fix the Chisox. The first, from Richard B. Gallina would have the Sox look like so, and the second, from Adrian Brashier would give the Chicago boys this uni. There were many willing to try their hand at any team. Since so many of you out there are extremely talented, lets give the Brewers a shot, and proceed from there.
So if you want to join in, drop me a line and note in the subject line “Brewer Uniform Project”.
OK? OK!
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 Friday’s column on the Richfield Coliseum prompted Terry Proctor to send this nice followup note:
Dear Phil,
Your man Jim Vilk will be glad to know that the cloth-covered dark-blue permanent seats from the Richfield Colisum now hold the fannies of fans in Rochester, NY. When our War Memorial arena underwent renovations in the late ’90s one of the big questions was the seating. So someone went out and got “such a deal” on the old seats from the Coliseum and now more than 12,000 of them reside at the “Blue Cross Arena at the War Memorial.” Like a lot of you out there we oldtimers still refer to the place as “The War Memorial” or “The War.” Old habits die hard. Hey, I attended the first event in the building as an eight-year old in 1955, a public trade show featuring Rochester’s finest companies. I’ve got a sacred right to call it by its real name! You know what they say about renaming a ship. The HMS Bounty was renamed and look how that turned out.
Thank you Terry!
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 Attention All Uni-Trackers: A number of you contacted me this week (I’ll try to follow up with an E-mail in addition to this announcement), but I know there are more of you out there. It’s time for round two of the tracking. I’d like to run the updates for your favorite team next weekend. If you can send to me, sometime this week, your UPDATED tracking sheets (however it is you are keeping track) as of July 31 (or later, if you wish). Since the response to the last tracking was tremendous, I’d anticipate this next round will also be good. Here’s what I’m looking for:
Your track sheet. If you do your tracking in Excel or a similar program, I would ask, if possible, that you send me screen shots of the first four months, since I don’t have Excel on either my PC or my laptop (just at work, and ya know — i never do any UW stuff at work ;)). In addition to your track sheet, if you can provide me with a brief writeup of your uniform analysis. About 1/2 as many words as most of you used in the first set of uniform tracking we did back in May. If you didn’t participate in the first set, take a look at the May examples if you’re unsure what we’re looking for. If there are any special trends, or anything you may have noticed about a particular uniform set, let us know. If your team has gone away from (for example, except for the Mets wearing “Los Mets” on Friday night, they hadn’t worn pinstripes AT ALL in a month — maybe this afternoon they will return to that) a certain uniform (whether it be due to losing, bad karma, weather, whatever) or have increased their wearing a certain different combination, let us know. Have you seen anything anomalous about their combinations? That’s the sort of stuff we need to know (or at least, I do).
When you’re ready (or if you have questions), send your submission to this address this week and put in the subject line “Uni Tracking for the (insert our team)”. Thanks!
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This and That: Got a couple of submissions from readers while Paul was away that I’ll post below. Brinke Guthrie found this “Astro” uni news (fans of the Houston club needn’t worry) … Sneakerhead Matt Powers is on a roll, with the following: Tecmo Bo Air Trainer 1; Pics of the Bulls vs, Magic Defining Moments Pack 60 + AJ VII; New Griffey Swingman colors; Matt concludes with this: “And if you fools think that my collection is ridiculous, Jay Jones is KNOWN as the godfather of PE’s. Thank you Matt, I don’t know if we could have lived without that. … Justin Kerr had this to say about newest Phillie, Cliff Lee: “Cliff Lee made his debut with the Phils (impressively so, might I add). However, his cap was missing the blue button on top. I don’t know why, any ideas?” … Finally, Joshua Knudson notes: “Felipe Lopez was traded to the Brewers last week. I was watching Friday’s Brewers/Padres game and noticed Lopez was wearing a red Phiten necklace. Naturaly I assumed it was a Diamondbacks model. It kinda looks like the dback model.” Thank you gentlemen
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 Saturday’s Doings: OK, this has nothing to do with unis, but I just wanted to let you know I’m not completely insane and do sometimes do things besides UW stuff … I’m also a semi-decent photographer and wanna-be artist. Had some of my stuff shown yesterday, but surprisingly (and sadly), only sold one piece (out of four). Just for shits and giggles, here’s what I showed. Enjoy. Or not. Here’s what didn’t sell: “Boat in Accabonac Bay,” … “Maidstone Sunset” … and “Autumn Bridge”. And here’s the one I moved: “Sustenence-Route 27.
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 Guess The Game From The Scoreboard: Interestingly enough, I had been planning on running this one for a while, but reader James Craven also sent me this photo as a good “GTG” bit. So I’ll run it today. Probably pretty easy, since I believe it’s a somewhat famous photograph. Clues are all there on the board (and of course, James must have felt good in sending it because of the two teams playing and the victor). *sigh* Anyway, here we go. Don’t forget, date, location and final score. And, of course, how you went about solving the mystery. Ready? Guess The Game.
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… Ah, Sunday…is Sunday the first day of the week, or the last day? No matter, Sunday’s always a full color, six panel strip for the Boys of Benchies. So, sit back and enjoy Sunday Benchies.
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That’s all for today folks. Everyone have a great Sunday. Paul will be back tomorrow. I need a vacation.
August 2nd, 2009
Any man can be a father. It takes someone special to be a dad.
I was torn between a full post and an “Open Thread” today. Instead, there will no main article today, although I will have some things below. Take a few minutes to reflect upon things today. The floor is yours. Anything you want to say is fine. Lots of baseball today. The final round Whatever golf they can get in at the US Open is today. Wimbledon starts tomorrow. There was a Civil Rights Game last night (more on that below), complete with 1964 throwbacks. Talk about all those or perhaps just say a word or two about your dads.
I’m lucky enough to be spending a majority of the day with mine. He’s still not in the best of health (although better than he was doing when Paul offered me the Bench Coach duties — back then he was in the middle of a three month hospital stay, a portion of which he spent in a coma). We won’t be having a catch, going fishing or even playing a round of golf, but we will be together. And for that, I’m eternally thankful.
Everybody have a good day.
Peace
– Phil
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First up today is West Coast Correspondent Brinke Guthrie, my doubles partner, who has a quick update on Wimbledon.
The Big W starts Monday, and as always style is on centre (the correct way to spell it) court, along with the defending champion who always kicks things off. Wait, he’s MIA.
Fed will be regal cool in white and gold. Looks a little like 007 here, though. Adidas presents their usual crisp, clean look for the grass courts, and bonus points if you recognize the groundskeeper before they flash his name badge. These ladies were hanging out with royalty, while plugging Polo. Um…not sure if this is Maria’s new Nike look. Maybe this? Either way, London weather is always very iffy, so now they’ve got a roof. Batter up!
Thanks Brinke.
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Guess The Game From The Scoreboard: Today’s entry should be fairly easy. Even if you can’t really read the scoreboard. Here it is.
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Continuing in the UW uni-tracking phenemonon, we are joined today by Ben Teaford, who has been tracking his “beloved” Cleveland Indians and Brian Heise, both of whom contacted me regarding the tracking (or lackthereof) of the Indians thus far. We begin with Ben:
I thoroughly enjoyed the uni tracking piece that ran at the end of last month. So much that I decided I absolutely needed to be part of the fun. Plus, with my virtual cellar dweller Indians putting a damper on my summer, I figured doing this would be a good way to stay interested in what could very well be an extremely long season. I went back through the first two months of the season and got caught back up and now Phil has allowed me to post my results.
I think though that I may have gotten a bit carried away with this whole thing. I decided that simply tracking wins and losses in the different uni combos wasn’t enough for me. I wanted to go the next step to track the performance of the team in their various uniforms. So I’ve also been compiling the batting average and ERA of the team in each of their uniforms this season. I know it may sound nuts, but seriously, this has been an awful season for the Tribe.
The Indians have five different combinations of uniforms, but because of Jackie Robinson Day and Memorial Day they have worn 7 different uniforms so far this season. At home, the Indians have three different uniform choices. First, there is the traditional home white uniforms which they wear with the red brimmed Chief Wahoo hat. Second, is the alternate blue uniform top with the white pants and the red brimmed Chief Wahoo hat. Third is their Saturday, Sunday, and holiday uniform, the quasi-throwback cream uniform with the blue hat with a red “C”. On the road they have the option of the traditional gray uniform with the blue brimmed Wahoo hat or they can wear the blue uniform top with the gray pants and the cursive “I” hat. I’m not sure exactly how they decide which uniform to wear on a given day (with the exception the of cream alternate), but it does seem that it is up to the starting pitcher that day, because there definitely seems to be a pattern with certain starters, but I’ll get to that later.
Through the end of May, the Indians were 22-30, good enough for last place in the AL Central Division. As a team they were batting .271 with an ERA of 5.38. When they wore the home whites with the red brimmed Wahoo hat they were 5-6, hitting .235 with an ERA of 2.70. In the blue alternate with the red brimmed Wahoo hat and the white pants, they were 3-1, hitting .269 with an ERA of 5.50. In the cream alternate with the blue “C” hat, they were 3-6 while hitting .255 with an ERA of 5.56. And in their one game wearing the cream alternates with the red stars and stripes hat, they were 1-0, hitting .316 with an ERA of 10.00.
On the road the Indians were 4-11 in their road grays with the blue brimmed Wahoo hat, hitting .269 with an ERA of 6.31. In the blue alternate with the cursive “I” hat and gray pants they went 5-6, hitting .310 with an ERA of 6.47. And in their one matchup sporting the road grays and the #42 on the back they were 1-0 hitting .303 with an ERA of 4.00.
I said earlier that I wasn’t sure how they decide which uniform to wear on a given night, but the reason I’ve guessed that the starting pitchers decide is because there is somewhat of a pattern amongst certain starters. The staff ace, Cliff Lee is clearly a traditionalist. He only wears the traditional home whites (5 starts) and road grays (5 starts), although he did wear the cream alternate once though by requirement.
Fausto Carmona appears to prefer the blue alternates, but only on the road. He wore the blue road alternate in 5 of his 6 road starts (the only time he wore the road grays was in the second game of the season, so maybe they asked him to wear those just because it was the beginning of the season). At home he likes the whites (worn in 2 of his 4 home starts) and wore the cream alternates when forced (once on Memorial Day, so he wore the Stars & Stripes cap).
Carl Pavano is one of two starters to wear all five uni combos. He started the season slowly (9.50 ERA), wearing the blue road alternate in three of his four starts with the other one being the cream alternate. In May though, Pavano switched to a more traditional get-up making four starts in the road grays and one in each of the three home unis. In May he was 5-1 with a 3.60 ERA. Coincidence? Obviously not.
Anthony Reyes was the other starter to wear all five uni combos in April and May. He had seemingly no pattern as he would wear the same uniform after he had lost the game previously while wearing it and he would change unis after a win. He wore the home whites and the blue home alternate once each. He sported the other three combos two times each. The worst part is I’ll never know why he chose certain uniforms over others because he’s out for the year (and possibly longer), so there won’t be any more starts to help me find a pattern.
The remainder of the revolving door Indians rotation didn’t pitch enough to get any kind of pattern. Scott Lewis only made on start this year and it was in the home opener so he was forced to wear the cream alternate. Zach Jackson also only made one start and he wore the home whites. Jeremy Sowers started two games wearing the blue alternate at home and the grays on the road. Aaron Laffey had four starts wearing the blue alternate and the cream alternate at home and the grays twice on the road (once was on Jackie Robinson Day).
I can’t say that I would prefer the Indians only wear the white and grays or that they should wear the blues more often (they do have a much better record in blues though at 8-7). What I can say though is that is long since time for them to bring back the red undershirts and socks. In 2002 they decided to change the red piping to blue (they were already doing this on the road unis, where they always wore blue socks and undershirts. The blue unis still have white piping, but they just looked so damn sharp with red socks and undershirts). Before the switch the team was 718-509 and won 6 division titles and made 2 appearances in the World Series. Since the switch in 2002 they are 570-564 (not including this season, which will surely knock them below .500) and they’ve won just one division title and made no appearances in the World Series. Obviously the piping and sock change is why. Also they hired Eric Wedge in 2002, so it could be that as well. I suppose I shouldn’t complain that much though. At least they’re not wearing these anymore.
Thanks for that very concise write up, Ben. Except for the sleeve patch, maybe the Indians should return to this uniform? They won their last World Series in that one. Next up is Brian:
I realized no one had decided to track the Tribe’s uniform statistics for this season yet so I figured I’d take some initiative and do it myself. Plus I’m currently unemployed so I had plenty of time on my hands. In the two hours or so it took to put this together, this is what I’ve gathered so far from the Indians uniform combinations this year.
The Indians have worn the traditional home whites with red script Indians across the chest 16 times. In these games they are 7-9. with a run differential of 65 scored and 68 allowed.
The Road Gray’s with red script Cleveland have been worn 21 times, the most of any combination. In these games the Indians are 7-14 with a run differential of 107 scored and 115 allowed.
The alternate weekend and special event cream colored uni’s with block C hat have been worn 10 times resulting in a record of 4-6 with a run differential of 40 scored and 54 allowed.
The alternate Blue jerseys with red script Indians have been worn a total of 18 times with a record of 10 and 8. This is the only jersey the Indians have worn this year with any regularity that’s resulted in an above .500 record. They have scored a total of 126 runs and allowed only 110 runs. Its the only regular uniform with a positive run differential. However this Jersey is also worn both at home and on the road. At home with the blue chief wahoo cap and red brim they are 4-2 scoring 39 runs and giving up only 34. On the road this jersey is paired with the solid blue road cap with script I. This combo has a record of 6-6 with a run differential of 87 scored and 76 allowed.
The 2 special combos the indians have worn this year were the red memorial day caps with the cream home alternates and last saturday when they wore the 1980’s throwbacks. In these 2 games they are 1-1 and have scored 12 runs and given up 10.
A few things I gathered from this rough data are that the Indians are not very good regardless of what they are wearing. The overall run differential for the season is -7. This data shows that the Indians hit and pitch just about equal regardless of uniform. However, it does appear that they perform slightly better when wearing the blue alternates both at home and on the road. Last, I’m not sure how the jerseys for the day are decided. I know the cream alternates are reserved for weekends and holidays, but from what I can see it appears that the pitchers choose the jerseys. The evidence for this is Fausto Carmona has predominantly worn the blue jersey during games he has started. Cliff Lee seems to avoid wearing the blue alternate, he has worn it once all year. Carl Pavano appears to wear the blue jersey strictly on the road and never at home. These are simply observations I made that support the idea the pitchers are selecting the combinations, but I’m sure someone could interpret it differently from me. All of my data can be found in this Excel spread sheet.
Thanks gentlemen. That’s about all we need to know about the Indians. You guys really took it to the extreme, but hey, isn’t that what Uni Tracking is all about?
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The 2009 Civil Rights Game was played last night in Cincinnati, an interleague matchup between the Reds and the Chicago White Sox. An all weekend affair, there was a pregame ceremony, at which Hank Aaron, Muhammed Ali & Bill Cosby received “MLB Beacon” Awards. Bud presented Hank Aaron with the Beacon Award. Here’s a photo of Hank wearing the award around his neck along with Dusty Baker & Dusty’s son. Cincinnati Red great Frank Robinson threw out the first pitch. More on the Civil Rights Game can be found here.
Both teams were adorned with 1964 throwback uniforms. The Reds attempted to recreate this look (home) while the White Sox went with the powder blues for their part.
The Reds for the most part looked pretty good, and were fairly faithful to the 1964 team’s look. Of course, baggy pants and modern day cleats kind of ruined that. A few players opted for the high socks. With seemingly properly-cuffed period pants, some looked really good. While not every ballplayer wore a hardcap helmet in 1964, neither team went with special headgear for the game. Of course, uniform malfunctions (such as ripped pants) reveal the teams did not go with period-appropriate undergarments. Both teams featured a huge Civil Rights Game patch on the rear collar for the game, and the Reds vests sleeveless jerseys (which appeared to have thicker stripes around the armpits than the originals — one of several faux pas anachronisms — love the modern catchers gear with a throwback cap, and the non-matching color of the Sox’ current helmets) had NOB’s below the numbers (which was true to 1964). Also true to the spirit of the 1964 season were the ice cream caps which the Reds wore for the contest.
The Sox likewise had several players sporting the pajama pants look. It’s kind of hard to see in this picture, but Sox players’ had two white strips surrounding a navy blue stripe down each pant leg. (Here is a better view) The Sox also sported navy blue caps and a large block-style “CHICAGO” across their chests. One player, DJ Carrasco went unusually (and “period inappropriately”) high stirruped (screen grab courtesy of JTH). The Sox also sported TV numbers. Wouldn’t this have looked better with proper stirrups and sock stripes?
Also, late last evening reader Michael Emody offered a pretty outstanding write up of his take on the game (scroll down to post #53 if it doesn’t automatically jump to it). Better take on the game that you’ll probably read in any newspaper or online this morning. Great stuff, Michael.
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Well, that’s all for today. A lot longer than I had anticipated, but I wanted to put in some of the stuff that was time sensitive or I promised people I would get posted. Sorry if it was too much, but in light of the fact there was no main article, I guess there was plenty. Everyone have a safe and reflective day today. If you’re fortunate enough like I am to be able to spend today with your pop, that’s great. If you’re not, give him a call or say a prayer in his memory. The floor is yours. Have a good first day of summer. — Phil
June 21st, 2009
By Phil Hecken
Well, it’s Mother’s Day, 2009. Hopefully, if you have a mom, you’re spending this special day with her. If not, well, you can always turn to MLB, where it’s that special time of year once again. If you’re not watching or going to a game, but you do have a special someone, make sure you pick up a little something just for her. Something from MLB not quite her style? How about a book maybe? No?
Course, you could always get her Rays flops, Yankee “negligee”, Mets Girl tanks, or this neato “I only date Cubs” t-shirt. Those probably aren’t so good for mom, though.
If you’re so inclined, you could do mom’s day the MLB way. For the 5th year, MLB is making a complete ass of itself Going To Bat For Cancer. So expect the Nats to screw something up purposely put an “upside down ‘W’ on the scoreboard (ok, no they won’t because they’re playing in Arizona), see the assorted pink sweatbands on arms (will the Yankees go for this crap?), and around the ankles, and be on the lookout for the occasional pink wearing douchebag (the cap, however, looks good on her). There’ll also be ‘cancer ribbon’ home plates and pink ribbon decals on player unis.
Some teams will inevitably turn to specialty bags to commemorate the day. And of course, Louisville Slugger will do its part, cranking out pink bats … lots and lots of bats. Many of which will never see the field, but will instead be sold for charity. But a few of these bats will see game action. Hmmm — I wonder if A-Roid will partake this year.
So, Happy Mother’s Day everyone. Let us know if you’re doing any uni-related things today, or what you’re doing for your mom, sis, grandma, wife, or that special lady in your life. And, since I won’t be taking my mom to a game today, I think I’ll take a bat to her instead.
The floor is yours.
May 10th, 2009
For as much that has changed with NHL uniforms over the past year, it’s good to see that some things stay the same, like Marc Savard rocking the yellow laces. Alexander Ovechkin and Jaromir Jagr have stayed with the colorful skate attire too. Any new yellow lace converts this year? Has anyone stopped using them since last season? –Vince
October 13th, 2007
When the Green Bay Packers saw how well this rider filled out a football jersey and asked him to come to training camp, Tour de France officials realized their drug testing policies might have a few holes.
[Insert your Tour de France, blood doping, drug testing, or steroids joke here.] –Vince
July 29th, 2007
First, another gigantic jersey sighting, this time in San Diego, where a huge Tony Gwynn jersey drapes over the side of the County Administration Building in honor of Gwynn’s entrance into the Baseball Hall of Fame this weekend. I wonder if this company made the uniform. (Thanks to Chris Coleman for the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL heads-up.)
Second, I know we all love Saltalamacchia, but this guy deserves some major props also. — Vince
July 28th, 2007
I worked at a hunger center yesterday morning and pawned off the Open Thread duties on Paul, so I’m including two photos today to make up for it. I know you folks missed me.
Sure, David Beckham’s arrival in America and his new Galaxy jersey are big news (above), but Alena Sharp’s subtle display of Canadian pride is a lot more interesting. — Vince
July 15th, 2007
Apparently this fan, seen getting the new Capitals’ logo tattooed on his neck during a draft party at the Kettler Capitals Iceplex, doesn’t agree with Paul about the pointed p or the height of the lower case i in the design. –Vince
June 24th, 2007
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