I’m fairly certain that no Uni Watch reader has sent me as many contributions over the years as Jeremy Brahm, and I’m absolutely positive that no other reader has sent so many highly specialized contributions. Search the site for Jeremy’s name and you’ll find a wealth of information relating to volleyball, cricket, Aussie rules football (which he wrote about last weekend), African youth soccer, African amateur athletics tournaments, sumo wrestling, and, of course, Japanese baseball, where he reigns as our foremost authority.
The volume and specificity of Jeremy’s contributions have made him something of a celebrity here on the site, so about two months ago I did an interview with him. And then, as is my too-frequent habit, I back-burnered transcribing the tapes for way too long. But hey, there’s nothing like tape transcription to take your mind off chickenpox (trust me). So here, finally, is the long-awaited Jeremy Brahm installment of Uni Watch Profiles — enjoy.
Uni Watch: How old are you, where do you live, and what do you do for a living?
Jeremy Brahm: I’m 36, I live Tigard, Oregon, and right now I’m a business development associate. It’s a new job I just started.
UW: What exactly is a business development associate?
JB: It involves trying to identify clients to bring to the business, but also kind of taking clients from my old business.
UW: Which was..?
JB: SpecialtyVehicles.net. I researched different truck bodies and their manufacturers, in America and Canada predominantly. You know the UPS big brown trucks, right? I would research the companies that would put the box on top of the truck chassis. Kind of a unique kind of market research and analysis. My clients would more or less be anybody from Freightliner to an international to investment groups, to even suppliers of aluminum or a company like 3M that needs to know how much paint to sell. Interesting, odd markets — things you see every day, but nobody thinks about them. [Update: Since we conducted this interview, Jeremy has left this job.]
UW: Are you from Portland originally?
JB: Yes, born and raised.
UW: Have you always been interested in uniforms?
JB: Before I could read anything else, I could read the sports page in The Oregonian.
UW: Yeah, but what about uniforms and logos?
JB: When I was a kid, whenever I was doing coloring or drawing, I’d try to do it with a sports motif. I always wanted to keep track of the [football] scores, so I had all these pens and I’d draw each of the different logos on a helmet. The helmets themselves weren’t perfect — I could never figure out how to do the ear-mold flap area — but I’d replicate the logo as closely as possible.
UW: So you’d create a scoreboard this way?
JB: Yes. On Monday mornings I’d say, “Okay, this was the Seahawks score,” because that’s the team I grew up watching, and so on. [Jeremy wasn't able to find any of these scoreboard drawings, but he did provide some childhood NFL helmet tracings, MLB and CFL logo drawings, CFL Huddles, which he created by tracing the NFL versions and adapting them for CFL teams. -- PL]
UW: Any other childhood uni-related activities?
JB: My mom, as one of her side hobbies, she did a little bit of knitting and sewing, and she’d create little outfits for me to put on my teddy bear. So she’d use white sheets or old T-shirts to make a little white shirt for the teddy bear, and then I could write and draw on it to design a uniform for him.
UW: For the teddy bear?
JB: Right. So if I wanted to make a little Portland Beavers uniform for him, or a Cubs uniform, I could do it. So one day I was watching the North American Soccer League, and the Chicago Sting were playing, and I thought, “It looks like a bumblebee — that’s what I’m gonna do!” So that’s what I did.
UW: Did you play sports as a kid, or in school?
JB: Oh, yeah, I played Little League, basketball. Never played organized football, though.
UW: And did you pay special attention to your uniform in those days?
JB: I know we had stirrups, and I remember thinking, “Which way do these things go? Does the big loop go in the front or the back?”
UW: When did you first discovered Uni Watch?
JB: Around 2004, when you started writing for ESPN. I liked some of the history stuff, and I thought, “Oh, this is interesting.”
UW: Do you recall the first contribution you sent in?
JB: It was either about the Portland Trail Blazers changing to “Portland” on their road uniforms, or else when you asked about teams that put the players’ names below the numbers, so I sent you some photos from the J-League in Japan.
UW: Do you collect jerseys, or anything else that’s sports-related?
JB: I do have baseball cards, but I’m not a big collector.
UW: You have some jerseys, though, right? I remember you wore a Rangers jersey to the Uni Watch gathering in Portland, which was a very nice way of making me, as a New Yorker, feel welcome in your town.
JB: That was actually a gift I’d received from my aunt.
UW: You’re a big volleyball guy, right?
JB: Yes, I played in the 1990 Junior Olympics volleyball championships.
UW: That’s so cool. How’d you get into that sport?
JB: From watching the U.S. win in the 1984 Olympics, and again in ’88. Always had an interest in the game. So I learned al lot about the uniforms and so on. I’m still a big volleyball fan today.
UW: You realize you’re something of a celebrity here on the site, right?
JB: Yeah, yeah. I always find it funny.
UW: And people have basically requested this interview, for that matter. How does that feel, knowing that you’re sort of a character on the site?
JB: It’s — not strange, exactly, but being known as kind of an expert is not a problem.
UW: It’s fun to be an expert!
JB: Yeah, just like my job doing all the things with the trucks.
UW: You’re a man of very specialized knowledge, is what you’re saying.
JB: Yeah. It’s nice when people know that you know what you’re talking about. For me, a lot of the stuff with Japan, I had an interest from having gone there as a student…
UW: Yeah, let’s talk about that. You’re known on the site for having a few specialty niches, especially Japanese uniforms. How did you become so interested in Japanese sports and culture?
JB: I first got interested in Japan as the Japanese economy was growing in the late ’80s and I thought, “Hey, it’d be a good idea to study Japanese.” Then, as I got into college, I thought, “Why not actually study in Japan for a year?” My parents basically said to go for it, so that’s what I did.
UW: So you spent a year there?
JB: Yes. I went to Waseda University — basically one of the Japanese Ivy League schools. And there was plenty of baseball there. So I decided one of the best ways for me to improve my language skills was to follow sports.
UW: Right, it was an easy way in, it was something you were interested in…
JB: Exactly. When I got there, I just soaked it up like a sponge. It really improved my skills.
UW: Did you attend games?
JB: In the Tokyo area, I visited each of the stadiums. And I scored the games, so I can actually say — and prove — that I saw Ichiro before he became big. Same with Hideo Nomo.
UW: You also send in a lot of contributions about some fairly obscure sports. Volleyball is one thing, since you’ve played it competitively. But you’ll also send me stuff about cricket, or Australian rules football, all sorts of sports that aren’t in our mainstream North American consciousness. Are you actually interested in these sports? Or do you just go searching for obscure little things to send me? Like, if Uni Watch didn’t exist, would you still be coming across this material?
JB: Sometimes it’s just searching to search. As I’ve grown and met more people from more cultures, my interests have grown. I traveled to India in 2005 and saw cricket for the first time. In the ’80s, when ESPN had Australian Rules Football, I kind of became intrigued by it. And of course the uniforms haven’t really changed. The colors are the same — the only difference is that maybe they have, say, three stripes as opposed to five.
UW: You’re obviously into mainstream sports as well, but you almost never send me information on those. My impression is that you’ve decided to leave the mainstream material to everyone else — because let’s face it, I can get that from anyone — and to focus on what we might call, for lack of a better term, the Jeremy sports.
JB: You know, if I’m watching a Mariners game or a Seahawks game, those are my teams — I root for them. So usually I’m too busy enjoying the game to think about the uniform aspects.
UW: Some days you’ll send me multiple contributions — sometimes many multiples — and I’ll end up using only one or two of them. Be frank: Does that annoy you?
JB: Uh, I understand there’s a lot of stuff you have to go through. Plus it’s your site. Some of the things can be frustrating, like that time I sent you the link for those Japanse baseball dresses — it was like, “You’ve got to use this one, Paul, come on!”
UW: Do you sometimes find yourself thinking, “Why’d he use that one, instead of THAT one, which was so much better?!”
JB: Sometimes. But at the same time I kinda just say, look, it’s your site.
UW: You know, there are some days when I make those choices for very specific reasons — “I like these two a lot, but these two don’t do so much for me.” And then there are other days when I’m really busy and the volume of stuff you send can almost be overwhelming and it’s almost like I end up pulling them out of a hat.
JB: And I understand that.
UW: I gotta tell you, I do feel guilty sometimes. I try to use as much as I can, but I also want to be fair to everyone else who contributes stuff…
JB: I know, I understand. There’s only so much you can throw in, or else you’d be up 24/7. Also, with the time difference from Japan, their day is basically over when I my day is starting. So a lot of the things I send to you, they’ll either be at around 5am or 6am my time…
UW: Yes, I’ve noticed that.
JB: …because that’s when the news come up from Japan, first thing in the morning, so I check some of the Japanese sites really quick to see if I can find something.
UW: Now, back in August of 2008, you came to the Uni Watch party in Portland, which is the first and only time we’ve met. Did you have a good time?
JB: Oh yeah, it was cool. It’s always good to be around people with similar interests and see what they actually look like.
UW: You brought all sorts of Japanese sports publications. I confess that it was a bit overwhelming when you started showing them to me.
JB: The hard part was trying pick out the stuff you wouldn’t expect, like the hawk’s-head helmet.
UW: Did you acquire all those publications when you lived in Japan?
JB: Some of them. Others I’ve acquired here in the States, or during other trips to Japan. [You can see Jeremy happily playing show-and-tell with other Portland party attendees in the background of this photo of Pennant Race Gear honcho Ryan Wantland. -- PL]
UW: What was that Roadkill jersey you brought along?
JB: That was from one of my youth volleyball teams. I was the only one on the team who had a car, so I had to drive all over the place to pick up everyone else on the way to a match.
UW: Leaving roadkill in your wake?
JB: That was the idea behind the shirt, yeah.
UW: Have you ever considered having your own blog or web site?
JB: I’ve thought about it. But it would basically be an offshoot [of Uni Watch], so then maybe I’d have to do a lot more research or get into markets I don’t normally focus on, like China. Would that be worth it? Would there be enough demand?
Conversation rambles for a bit, and then this:
JB: Mike Kinkade, he was a classmate of mine.
UW: Really? Mike Kinkade who briefly played for the Mets?
JB: Yes.
UW: Wow. What I remember most about him is that when the Mets traded Kinkade and Melvin Mora to the Orioles for Mike Bordick, Steve Phillips — who was the Mets’ GM at the time — announced that the Mets had acquired Bordick “in exchange for utility infielder Melvin Mora and utility catcher Mike Kinkade.” And I thought, boy, “utility catcher” — could they possibly make him sound more worthless?
JB: Yeah, he was a classic four-A player. The thing about him, though, is that he later played in Japan for the Hanshin Tigers. I actually have a replica jersey with his name on it. But it’s pretty tight on me, because that was the biggest size they had for the replicas over there.
Want more of Jeremy? He’s recently been working with Phil to produce this survey of 1990s Taiwanese baseball uniforms — a classic Jeremy topic.
And here’s the perfect coda to this interview: As I was putting the finishing touches on this entry last night, Jeremy e-mailed to tell me, “Paul, the Blazers’ and Bulls’ warm-up uniforms are basically the same, aside from ‘Chicago’ across the chest.” He was at the game, had taken that photo, and had e-mailed it to me on the spot. Now that’s dedication! Big thanks to Jeremy for sharing his story, for patiently waiting for me to transcribe it, and for everything he brings to the site every day.
How do you spell “wyld-kat”?: It’s rare that you see documentation of a uniform typo from over 60 years ago, and even rarer to find that the typo was discussed in print at the time. Becky Taylor found that bit of proto-uni-watching
in the 1/30/48 issue of the UGA newspaper, The Red and Black. As you can see in the second graf, The New Yorker apparently mentioned the typo as well. If anyone out there has the complete CD-ROM set of New Yorker archives, perhaps someone could track down the item in question, yes? Yes.
Uni Watch News Ticker: What team is this? That’s the Packers, circa early 1950s, says Tom Farley. “The Packers had the metallic gold helmets from 1951 — after they bought them from the first NFL Baltimore Colts, who folded after the 1950 season — through the ’53 season,” he says. “They wore the gold jerseys over the green pants in all three seasons.” … A very surprising entry in the “no gloves” camp: Adrian Peterson. He wore gloves in previous seasons but has been bare-handed this year (big thanks to Amos Miller). … Other gloveless wonders, both pointed out by Chris Fox: Larry Johnson and, in the retired category, Shaun Alexander. I’ve gotta admit, I’m stunned that there are any receivers or backs who go bare-handed. … Two Texas Tech notes from Susan Freeman: Taylor Potts went NickNOB, literally (“Nick” is his nickname), and Rajon Henley, who normally wears No. 91, wore number 40 and NNOB in honor of DB Nathan Stone, whose season ended early due to a neck injury. … As everyone and his pet weasel knows by now, Texas will be wearing throwbacks on Thanksgiving against A&M. But what’s this? A counter uni-maneuver by the Aggies — the battle is joined! “The ribbon on the helmet logo commemorates the 10th anniversary of the bonfire tragedy that took the lives of 12 students and injured 27 others,” explains Andy McNeel. “In addition, every player’s helmet will have No. 12 on the back, instead of their own numbers.” … Interesting note from Aaron Rich, who writes: “I saw the new Nick Cage movie, Bad Lieutenant, over the weekend (pretty bad) and there’s a scene when the bad cop is meeting with his bookie and they’re watching a football game. It’s definitely a USFL game (the movie takes place in 2008, but whatever) between the Memphis Showboats and a team in blue (maybe the Oakland Invaders or the LA Express). I got to wondering if there are other movies that use USFL footage for generic football footage rather than using NFL or NCAA footage. Also, I wonder if this is done because of trademark rights or NFL being hard to deal with. It might be a fun thing for the readers to see if they can make a list of the movies that use USFL footage.” … Check this out: a NORAD (that’s North American Aerospace Defense) hockey jersey. “They’ve fielded military hockey teams for many years,” says Ryan Connelly. … What’s with the two different uniforms? Turns out the seniors are wearing dark, underclassmen in white (good find by Tris Wykes.) … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Photos of all the rest of the riflery uniforms can be accessed here (with more LSU shots here and here), can we just play football now? … Yesterday’s screen shot of Mike Smith’s parking lot-sponsored play-calling sheet prompted the following note from Falcons assistant equipment manager Jimmy Luck: “Great pic of Coach Smith — the marketing people wish they had thought of it! Coach always has a copy of the itinerary with his notes, for timing reasons (bus departures, warm-up times, etc.). All away game itineraries have a map of how to get to the Parking Spot on the back. Just so happens he put it in the back of the page protector this time and the whole TV audience got a free Parking Spot ad.” … Hey look, the Detroit chain gang goes FiNOF (good catch by Jared Camden).
#1 by Adam on 11.24.09 8:10 am |
One last comment regarding the panthers’ new jerseys…I wonder if teams are starting to play the statistics? By that, there was a study out a couple of years ago that spoke about circular logos centered in the jersey actually leads to a better save percentage for the goalie. It was something about the Hurricanes’ logo that was the best when it came to this specific study.
I’m sure I am reaching here, but could always be a possibility to reach for a competitive advantage.
#2 by Dave R on 11.24.09 8:18 am |
Adam said:
I bet it has more to do with $$$ statistics, not wins and losses. I imagine some marketing exec saying, retro is in, so let’s go with that angle.
#3 by Lee on 11.24.09 8:23 am |
USFL footage has become a money maker for the owners of that film library. Many TV shows and movies use that footage because so many of the unis (New Jersey, Memphis, LA, Oakland, Houston)were pretty standard fare (basic logo on helmet, standard sleeve.pant stripes) and have since faded from our collective memories.
I still contend that the Michigan Panthers have one of the all time greatest helmet designs along with the Jax Bulls and definitely those iconic (insert city name here) Breakers helmets
#4 by TomServaux96 on 11.24.09 8:25 am |
re: The Texas A&M Ribbon Helmet
I just realized Nike’s terrible timing with their “It Only Takes Eleven” Texas Longhorn slogan. It comes on the tenth anniversary of the Bonfire collapse at A&M that killed twelve students.
Nice job, Phil.
(full disclosure — this poster is an Aggie)
#5 by DJ on 11.24.09 8:25 am |
Another guy who has gone sans gloves is Jamal Lewis.
http://z.hubpages.co...
…But not always.
http://i.a.cnn.net/s...
…And not with the Browns.
http://www.midwestsp...
#6 by Dave R on 11.24.09 8:26 am |
The tv show Coach used to use University of Minnesota game footage. They would distort the colors so that the maroon appeared more like (the fictional Minnesota State’s) purple. It always looked odd to me.
Also, I remember many tv set commercials using USFL footage in their ads. Usually, the logos were removed. It seemed kind of obvious that it was cheaper to use footage from a defunct league instead of going with the NFL.
#7 by jdreyfuss on 11.24.09 8:37 am |
If you look at that Adrian Peterson page, you’ll see that two photos down is another photo from the same game where AP is wearing gloves. Any reason why he took them off/put them on during the game?
#8 by jdreyfuss on 11.24.09 8:42 am |
TomServaux96 said:
Nike has a habit of doing things in poor taste. They get it right sometimes, but it seems like that’s usually by accident.
(full disclosure — this poster is an Owl, but roots for Texas, because, seriously, Rice is fairly minor even when they do well)
#9 by Dave R on 11.24.09 8:42 am |
Two questions about the riflery/rivalry/whatever uniforms.
1. What is Nike’s explanation about the weird shoulder design on every team’s uniform? Do they claim it adds function or something? It annoys me that each school’s specially-made uniform has the same abstract pattern.
2. Why are these uniforms being worn in non-rivalry games? Based on the name, I figured Florida State’s, for example, would be used for the Florida game. The only exception so far is Ohio State, who did wear their’s against their main rival.
I’m looking for serious answers here, not just a one-liner about how Nike is stupid. In fact, this applies to Under Armor too, since their combat/whatever uniforms for Virginia Tech and Maryland were nearly identical.
#10 by TomServaux96 on 11.24.09 8:43 am |
…and now that I look on the Nike website, it looks like they changed the slogan to “Texas Fight.”
At least it’s a UT tradition, rather than a Nike-generated one.
#11 by Ben Jye on 11.24.09 9:01 am |
A few notes on the Nike Riflery uniforms–
To answer a question from earlier, Nike is trying to use the uniforms in a game against a non-Nike school. That’s why FSU used them against Maryland and not Florida, another Nike school. That’s why Clemson is wearing them against South Carolina this weekend, because SC is an Under Armour school.
Also, to my knowledge, Clemson is the only team that will retain the jersey as their primary design after this game. Their head coach wanted a more tradtional design earlier in the year but couldn’t get it approved in time. If you note their jerseys, there’s no funky shoulder design, just a plain-jane old school look. They will return to their regular pants next week. This according to the press release on the school’s site:
http://clemsontigers...
#12 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 9:07 am |
first off, nice interview with jeremy
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TomServaux96 said:
while “it only takes 11″ is a shot at this, don’t be surprised if there wasn’t someone in nike marketing who didn’t realize the second, perhaps more nefarious, entendre in their slogan…these nike machinations never cease to
piss me offamaze me#13 by John in Athens on 11.24.09 9:10 am |
Georgia are going to DITCH THE BLACK.
It’s too bad. I would have loved to have seen them wear the black helmet with the black jersey at least once.
(pardon if this has posted more than once. nothing happened when I hit “say it” so I’m trying again)
#14 by Erik Morris on 11.24.09 9:16 am |
Fake uni-related news story on The Onion!
#15 by TC Lofton on 11.24.09 9:18 am |
Paul, could we make the profiles a monthly feature? I’ve really enjoyed them. Great work.
RE: the Riflery spirographing… someone suggested that the designs mimick the pinstriping that USAF and Navy pilots put on the back of their helmets.
#16 by Jeff P on 11.24.09 9:29 am |
Adam said:
If that’s true, it seems to have stopped working this year. The Canes haven’t been doing that great… Nor have the wild.
I agree that the statistic that’s driving it has units of dollars.
#17 by Jeff on 11.24.09 9:29 am |
About the first item in the ticker: The photo referenced by Tom Farley is from the new Packers photo history book, “Titletown’s Team,” published by the Green Bay Press-Gazette and available at http://www.titletown.... Lots of old uni detail throughout.
#18 by MPowers1634 on 11.24.09 9:29 am |
Sneaker/Cleat Observation of the day:
In the LSU riflery gallery, #32 is wearing a team specific version of next year’s Nike Super Speed TD/D. A few schools like Cal ans Southern Miss, have been given advance versions of the cleat to test out.
#19 by CapitalM on 11.24.09 9:30 am |
I heard somewhere that the generic football pics you see in print ads (usually on TVs and the like) are Photoshopped USFL stills. This is why the unis and equipment in Best Buy ads always looks a bit out of date.
#20 by MPowers1634 on 11.24.09 9:32 am |
Another helmet question for Skeebs:
Why is Boley? allowed to wear a tinted visor?
http://static.nfl.co...
#21 by Graf Zeppelin on 11.24.09 9:44 am |
IIRC, the HBO series “1st & Ten” used USFL footage. The LA Express were used to represent the series’ fictional California Bulls in long shots.
#22 by Phil on 11.24.09 9:45 am |
Here’s another retired player and TE in the “no gloves” camp Jay Riemersma
http://www.customaut...
Although he did use them in college
http://cdn.bleacherr...
#23 by Jeff H. on 11.24.09 9:52 am |
I know I’ve seen CFL footage used in American films & television as a “generic placeholder football on someone’s TV screen” before too. Anythings gotta be cheaper than paying NFL rights. If I’m not mistaken, this was part of the motivation for the stupi- I mean, unique striping pattern on NFL refs now. (So it’ll be more obvious when it’s not the REAL pro football league. Forget that a real pro football league would never dress their refs thusly.)
#24 by Phil on 11.24.09 9:52 am |
Also I remember Plaxico Burress going gloveless in his first few seasons with the Steelers.
http://photos.upi.co...
#25 by Juke Early on 11.24.09 10:02 am |
First-big thumbs up to Jeremy Brahm. BTW I might not have run the Japanese “baseball dresses” either. Unless, there were some fine women wearing them…
I’ve seen & heard nothing but good things about Nic Cage in the new BAD LIEUTENANT flick. Takes a guy in UW to dismiss it in 2 words LOL.
#26 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 10:12 am |
Juke Early said:
haven’t seen this BL, but if it’s a remake of the classic (you need to get the NC17 version) harvey kietel movie of the same name…then there was probably no reason to remake it
if it’s an entirely “new” movie, i apologize
there was only one bad lieutenant…and it was this
#27 by KWins on 11.24.09 10:12 am |
A couple of things to note. With all the talk about Nike’s Pro Combat marketing, Virginia Tech used them against Maryland (and will now be wearing them at uva this weekend as well). I am a long time Hokie, but have to agree that Nike has had some questionable marketing going on with the new product. Maryland was wearing special unis in the Md-VT game that was in support of the Wounded Warrior Product, so what does Nike do? They show up on campus with armored vehicles and spout out a bunch of prepare for battle and prepare for war mess. Pretty bad timing if you ask me.
Incidentally, the majority of football teams in high school and college often take team pictures with seniors in one color jersey and all underclassmen in another color.
#28 by JTH on 11.24.09 10:16 am |
LI Phil said:
The RottenTomatoes.com synopsis:
In Werner Herzog’s new film “The Bad Lieutenant: Port Of Call New Orleans,” Nicolas Cage plays a rogue detective who is as devoted to his job as he is at scoring drugs — while playing fast and… In Werner Herzog’s new film “The Bad Lieutenant: Port Of Call New Orleans,” Nicolas Cage plays a rogue detective who is as devoted to his job as he is at scoring drugs — while playing fast and loose with the law. He wields his badge as often as he wields his gun in order to get his way. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina he becomes a high-functioning addict who is a deeply intuitive, fearless detective reigning over the beautiful ruins of New Orleans with authority and abandon. Complicating his tumultuous life is the prostitute he loves (played by Eva Mendes). Together they descend into their own world marked by desire, compulsion, and conscience. The result is a singular masterpiece of filmmaking: equally sad and manically humorous. –© Apparition
The movie is Certified Fresh, by the way.
#29 by AndyMcNeel on 11.24.09 10:19 am |
For those of you that might not be familiar with the Bonfire tragedy for which Texas A&M will be wearing the commemorative helmets, here is a link to a pretty comprehensive website, along with a really good video detailing the events surrounding November 18, 1999.
#30 by Jeremy Brahm on 11.24.09 10:20 am |
Juke Early said:
Well, they didn’t have the women in them though.
http://www.flickr.co...
#31 by Scott Z on 11.24.09 10:20 am |
Ultimate random: I used to live in North Palm Beach, FL. About 4-5 years ago, I bought a house and was looking for a roommate. Mike Kinkade was going to camp with the Marlins in nearby Jupiter. He emailed me from an ad and was going to move in. He got nervous because settlement was February 8th, just a few days before he had to report to camp. I remember being a little bummed. I figured if he made the big club, It would be cool to go watch your roommate play in the big leagues. Never happened and I heard he was cut on the last day of camp.
#32 by Will L. on 11.24.09 10:21 am |
I was watching football Sunday with a few buddies, one of whom is not a regular NFL viewer. During a stoppage in play they cut to a highlight of TO’s long touchdown reception, and right before they cut back to the game we were watching this poor guy says, in reference to the Bills uniforms:
“Oooh I like those jerseys!”
I almost vomitted all over myself.
#33 by AndyMcNeel on 11.24.09 10:22 am |
Oops…here\’s the link.
http://bonfire.tamu....
#34 by Digger on 11.24.09 10:39 am |
I could have sworn Barry Sanders also went no gloves, but it seems he wore gloves that left the fingers bare (most of the time), still rare. http://jeremyraybrow...
#35 by Digger on 11.24.09 10:49 am |
Also does anyone else think that LSU’s jerseys looke exactly like Washington’s?
#36 by Joe on 11.24.09 10:49 am |
I always thought Wayne Chrebet went gloveless all the time
http://cdn.faniq.com...
But I guess he didn’t
http://cdn.faniq.com...
#37 by Joe on 11.24.09 10:50 am |
oops, the second link should be
http://starksforthre...
#38 by seven on 11.24.09 10:51 am |
Pretty sure Brokeback Mountain used CFL footage. Makes sense since it was filmed in Canada.
#39 by Edward on 11.24.09 10:51 am |
Even better than USFL game footage, how about stock USFL crowd footage? I noticed this one time while watching SpongeBob with my kids. In the episode “Band Geeks”, the underwater guys play in a band doing a half-time concert, and they used fan footage from the USFL. I think the field showed the Showboats, but I distinctly remember some Tampa Bay Bandits fan shots too.
#40 by George on 11.24.09 10:54 am |
Interesting blurb at the end of this article about the Pens baby blue alts:
http://www.pittsburg...
The Florida Panthers unveiled an alternate uniform last night. The color scheme mirrored the Penguins’ original colors: baby blue, dark blue and white. Those colors are part of the Penguins’ popular current throwback-themed alternate uniforms, which will be replaced next season.
#41 by Nutriaitch on 11.24.09 10:58 am |
In the LSU pics, Richard Murphy’s nameplate is way off center.
#42 by jimmywags on 11.24.09 10:59 am |
Here’s a blog post by the Mizzou beat writer for the KC Star on the riflery uniforms the Tigers are wearing Saturday vs Kansas. He brings up a Civil War (blue/grey) angle I didn’t think of when I first saw the disaster MU will be wearing.
http://campuscorner....
I really don’t like the Civil War symbolism if that was part of the intention of the uniforms, even if the Tigers’ namesakes were Southern sympathizers.
#43 by Joe Hilseberg on 11.24.09 11:06 am |
There are so many things wrong with this – http://i735.photobuc...
The name is waaaaay off center, and it looks like they forgot to sew the inner side of the gold trim
#44 by LarenR on 11.24.09 11:07 am |
Yet another reason not to wear your football pants above the knee:
Number 27 (front left) looks like he’s wearing sock garters and no pants.
#45 by David T on 11.24.09 11:10 am |
Maybe Peterson is shunning the gloves in an attempt to fumble less. That’s the biggest blemish on his otherwise stellar career–his tendency to cough up the rock.
#46 by Paul Lukas on 11.24.09 11:13 am |
David T said:
Yeah, but I’d think that gloves would help you grip the ball BETTER. Way better for catching passes, too. Shit, did you see that play last night when Alge Crumpler almsot made an incredible catch? They ruled it incomplete, but he basically caught the very tail of the ball with his fingertips after the rest of the ball was past him. Completely impossible without gloves.
#47 by Bob Loblaw on 11.24.09 11:16 am |
John in Athens said:
I normally hate the black–it’s stupid, old and cliched– in fact, it was probably cliched when it ‘came out’.
But now is NOT the time for GA to ditch the black—they need to continue the mourning period for the dearly beloved UGA !!!
bad move, U of GA!
#48 by mmwatkin on 11.24.09 11:17 am |
Joe Hilseberg said:
I don’t think they forgot to sew the inner side of the gold “trim”. I think the gold is a full background and the purple is perhaps heat pressed (or something similar) directly on top.
#49 by The Jeff on 11.24.09 11:18 am |
jimmywags said:
Meh.
The gray worn during the War Between the States(tm) was far lighter than the gray being used by the Tigers. It might as well be “light black”. There’s no connection, intentional or otherwise. That writer is just a moron.
#50 by Randy Williams on 11.24.09 11:18 am |
Webster Slaughter went glove free.
http://web.wireimage...
http://www.cleveland...
#51 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 11:18 am |
jimmywags said:
from that article…which basically sums up everything about the complete douchebaggery of nike and the riflery unis:
“Q-Why wear a uniform whose main splash of gold is on the soles of the shoes only?
A-Nike wanted (it) that way and Nike furnished them and they are supposedly worth about $100,000 (to each of the 10 schools taking part in this).”
never mind tradition, what the school wants or any of that…$$$ trumps all
now, if nike is willing to pay me 100 large to wear their gear…we can talk
#52 by Casey on 11.24.09 11:18 am |
“Jeremy Brahm: I’m 36, I live Packard, Oregon, and right now I’m a business development associate. It’s a new job I just started.”
Where is Packard, Oregon? I’ve lived in Oregon almost my entire life and have never heard of it. I even tried a quick googling, but to no avail.
#53 by Brendon on 11.24.09 11:19 am |
Does anyone know what the strap on some Michigan players arms are used for??
#54 by Big Al on 11.24.09 11:20 am |
Graf Zeppelin said:
I seem to remember the commercials for that dicey McConaughey movie “Two for the Money” using USFL clips.
#55 by Ricko on 11.24.09 11:21 am |
That’s the Packers, circa early 1950s, says Tom Farley. “The Packers had the metallic gold helmets from 1951 — after they bought them from the first NFL Baltimore Colts, who folded after the 1950 season — through the ’53 season,” he says. “They wore the gold jerseys over the green pants in all three seasons.” …
Thought those Colts were green and gray.
What, nobody’s seen “DINER”???
Or did the Packers buy the green PANTS from the Colts Probably not, stripe is gold.
Or did those helmets TURN gold the way Lions’ helmets did?
Who knows. The original Colts wearing gold just threw me a little, first I’ve heard of it.
Oh, the confusion in this ol’ head.
—Ricko
#56 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 11:26 am |
Ricko said:
prolly isn’t a color photo of the 47-50 (original and defunct) colts…but if this logo is accurate, it would seem that those colts wore silver (or gray) helmets, like ricko postulates
another Uni Watch mystery?
#57 by Chris in Nashville on 11.24.09 11:27 am |
Apostrophe catastrophe (as spotted in STL), concession edition:
http://joesportsfan....
#58 by Scott Little on 11.24.09 11:31 am |
Jeremy!
Nice article. Represent Portland!
Wish I knew you were at the game last night. Do you have regualar seats where we can bring Japanese stuff to you to be translated? ;)
You might’ve saw us, my son and I got to go down on the floor during player intros, and we got to shake hands/get a shirt from B Roy. I was wearing a COMPLETE 1981/1982 warm up, pants and jacket-YOU HAD TO SEE US.
#59 by fred on 11.24.09 11:34 am |
Here’s an explanation of the Cheerleader Play-Wristbands from the other day:
“ESQUIRE: What a heartbreaker of a game. Take us through the emotional roller coaster of the ending.
TARA WILLSON: After Cedric Benson’s touchdown in the last minute, we were totally psyched. It feels different in the stadium this year. With Hard Knocks and the changes the team has made, we were so hopeful. When that ball landed in Stokley’s arms, and he ran right across the goal line, waiting to go into the end zone, it just took the wind out of me. And then our sound guy plays two or three songs back to back, and I was like, I don’t even want to dance right now.
ESQ: You had to keep dancing?
TW: Oh, yeah. I have a little sheet in a fliptop wristband — just like a QB — and I call the different dances out to the girls in my corner of the field. It was really hard to keep smiling. The crowd was so loud, we had the hardest time hearing each other the whole game. And then when that happened, it was silent. I could have whispered to the girls.”
http://www.esquire.c...
#60 by Jim on 11.24.09 11:34 am |
Mets announced new jersey’s today…looks like you’re wrong Lukas about the black drop shadow.
#61 by JTH on 11.24.09 11:34 am |
LI Phil said:
No doubt those original Colts helmets had brown ponies on them.
#62 by Paul Lukas on 11.24.09 11:37 am |
Randy Williams said:
Yeah, but that was back in the olden dayes, when jerseys had sleeves. Different era, different gear.
#63 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 11:38 am |
USFL footage has indeed shown up in print ads, commercials and other places – airbrushed and in its original state. There was either a beer ad or a TV ad that had undoctored Gamblers vs. Bandits action. The print ads for appliance stores used to take a Breakers pic and make the helmet gray.
I’d forgotten about the Spongebob “Band Geeks” episode. About the only time my kids see that is over my parents’ house. Dad puts it on right away for them, and I usually roll my eyes. But when I saw the crowd scene I yelled, “Hey! That’s USFL footage.” Between that and the NFL Films music they use sometimes, I guess there are worse shows for kids…
#64 by JTH on 11.24.09 11:45 am |
Casey said:
I think Paul simply misheard. Jeremy actually lives inside a Packard Organ.
#65 by leon on 11.24.09 11:45 am |
I thought Andrea McNulty was the Ben gal.
#66 by Tris Wykes on 11.24.09 11:51 am |
I’m going to guess the straps on the MIchigan player’s arm are from a shoulder harness. Many offensive linemen, because they reach and grab with so much force, have constant problems with their shoulder joints. The harness basically helps a bit with preventing dislocations.
#67 by Chris from Carver on 11.24.09 11:52 am |
Just got an e-mail from the Amazin’ Mess & it looks like they went dropshadows on the “new” pins http://www.flickr.co...
#68 by Lou on 11.24.09 11:54 am |
Chris from Carver said:
Yup, looks like they managed to screw it up!
#69 by Jim on 11.24.09 11:54 am |
Can’t even get a uniform right.
#70 by Paul Lukas on 11.24.09 11:56 am |
Chris from Carver said:
Like I said all along.
#71 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 11:57 am |
Jim said:
um no…
paul was saying this all along…he just couldn’t show you
#72 by JL on 11.24.09 12:00 pm |
Tris Wykes said:
I was going to say the same thing. Charles Tillman has been wearing one all season for Da Bears after having shoulder surgery in the off-season.
#73 by JohnnyO on 11.24.09 12:02 pm |
seven said:
According to the IMDB site, you are correct. It seems to be a 1970’s Canadian Football League game between the Montreal Alouettes and Edmonton Eskimos.
HOWEVER… for reasons I won’t get into on here, my notes indicate that the Thanksgiving dinner in that movie was in 1970, and my notes also indicate that it must have been the Thanksgiving November 26, 1970 game where the Packers lost to the Cowboys 3-16 at the Cotton Bowl.
Does anyone have this movie where they can check this out?
#74 by JTH on 11.24.09 12:02 pm |
The Jeff said:
He’s a moron, Definite Article Jeff?
The guy finds it somewhat humorous that the programs are trying to downplay any Civil War references and they’ll be playing a blue vs. gray game and that makes him a moron?
#75 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 12:06 pm |
JohnnyO said:
NTTAWWT
#76 by Joe Hilseberg on 11.24.09 12:10 pm |
mmwatkin said:
They forgot…it’s a technique called “kiss cut”
You can see it here:
http://akamai.edeal....
Sometimes on the TV numbers they use 1 stitch for the entire outline – http://www.flickr.co...
I think it looks terrible up close though
#77 by mmwatkin on 11.24.09 12:18 pm |
Joe Hilseberg said:
Any link that says they used that technique? I was aware that the Ravens did it, but looking at the LSU picture I cannot see any evidence that the gold trim is above the purple. You would think that if the inside edge was not sewn down, you would see some edges sticking out/up.
#78 by The Jeff on 11.24.09 12:19 pm |
JTH said:
When the gray in question is dark enough to pass for black from a distance, yes.
#79 by Brian Erni on 11.24.09 12:23 pm |
mets botched it. good job, paul. way to have it right all along despite wishful thinking being reported elsewhere.
i’m so aggravated. i know most of what the mets do is based on trying to make a buck off their embattled fan base, but when you give me this happy horseshit about how they “listened to fans” and “based the jersey on the 1969 ones,” you’re just pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining. to a man, almost every fan hates anything black in the mets color scheme. so they make this pinstripe jersey, which is identical to last years only it’s cream instead of white, and they change NOTHING the fans didn’t like. i guess that uniform survey in may must have gotten these responses: “wow, new york mets. you are the bestest franchise in the whole wide world. please don’t change anything about your uniforms. just keep everything the same. the black jerseys, hats, dropshadows. WE LOVE THEM! oh…if you could turn the pinstripe cream and give us marketing jargon about how it’s retro now, that would make everything AMAZIN’!!! LMAOROTFL”
douche bags.
#80 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 12:23 pm |
Jeremy Brahm said:
So THAT’S where Nike got the inspiration for the SoD…
#81 by Steve on 11.24.09 12:28 pm |
The Mets ruined my week.
#82 by Michael on 11.24.09 12:28 pm |
Don’t know if anyone else said this, but Tim Brown went sans-gloves his entire career, just taped them up.
http://rawsportsblog...
#83 by Ryan on 11.24.09 12:28 pm |
Mets = fail. So much fail.
#84 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 11.24.09 12:31 pm |
TomServaux96 said:
It always said Texas Fight on the collar since early in the season when these were revealed. The “It only takes 11″ slogan is the fan t-shirt.
#85 by JTH on 11.24.09 12:32 pm |
Mets: BFBS, meet CFCS.
#86 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 12:33 pm |
Brian Erni said:
i wish i could say that’s true…after not having gone to shea during it’s last 3-4 years in existence, this may (fairly cold day) i went to a game at
citishea with powersi’d say, of the mets gear i observed being worn…a good 50% of it was black
so there is definitely a percentage of the fan base that buys (if not enjoys) it
fuckers
#87 by Joe Hilseberg on 11.24.09 12:39 pm |
mmwatkin said:
Maybe Paul can shed some light on the technique used on these jerseys as a whole…some of them had some crazy patterns in the numbers.
#88 by TomServaux96 on 11.24.09 12:40 pm |
SWC Susan (aka Tex) said:
Well then. If that’s the case, I retract my earlier retraction…
#89 by Ricko on 11.24.09 12:41 pm |
LI Phil said:
Like it cuz doesn’t show the dirt, maybe?
#90 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 12:43 pm |
heh…i thought i remembered texting from the game about fans in black
#91 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 11.24.09 12:43 pm |
SWC Susan (aka Tex) said:
Sorry… collar is We are Texas (which is wrong – the phrase is Texas Are We). Did the website originally say “It only takes 11?”
#92 by mmwatkin on 11.24.09 12:44 pm |
I fail to see a connection between “It only takes 11″ and the bonfire tragedy at A&M.
It is obviously a reference to the 12th man at A&M and nothing more. Thinking otherwise is reaching for something that is not there.
#93 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 11.24.09 12:49 pm |
SWC Susan (aka Tex) said:
aw hell… maybe I will just lay off the crack and quit commenting today! I know not of what I am speaking….
#94 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 11.24.09 12:50 pm |
mmwatkin said:
12 died… but slogan has no connection to bonfire
#95 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 12:51 pm |
You mean adidas was making unis in the US?
http://sports.espn.g... Who knew? Is anyone else?
#96 by Ricko on 11.24.09 12:53 pm |
mmwatkin said:
mmwatkin said:
I’m with you. That’s really a stretch.
More likely Nike marketeers didn’t even KNOW ABOUT/REMEMBER the bonfire incident. The 12th man tradition gave them plenty of fodder. No need to look for even more.
A little like the kid who looked at a box of Smith Brothers cough drops and discerned that, “Hmmm…I see their first names are ‘Trade’ and ‘Mark”.”
http://splashinthepa...
—Ricko
#97 by Jeremy Brahm on 11.24.09 12:53 pm |
Scott Little said:
Yes, I did see you, I didn’t realize it at the time. My seats are in 222, just above the entry way. Only half season package though.
Casey said:
That should be Tigard.
#98 by TomServaux96 on 11.24.09 12:53 pm |
Guys, I know it has no connection. And I don’t blame the university.
It’s just another example of Nike not thinking things through.
#99 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 12:54 pm |
JimV19 said:
Keep in mind that I posted this just after it came out. They already updated it once, so they may answer my question later in the day.
#100 by timmy b on 11.24.09 12:54 pm |
I just wanted to say thanks to Jeremy for his incredible knowledge on all sports located on planet earth.
His takes on NPB unis and especially AFL (footy) gear is amazingly informative and helpful.
May you be blessed with a wonderful Thanksgiving, JB!!
#101 by TomServaux96 on 11.24.09 12:55 pm |
Well, that, and the idea that Nike wants to create new slogans that THEY can own the rights to.
#102 by mmwatkin on 11.24.09 12:58 pm |
TomServaux96 said:
How did they not think things through? IMO, it is a brilliant slogan for Texas. It is a direct shot at an A&M tradition (isn’t that what rivalries are all about?)
I still don’t see how “It only takes 11″ could in anyway be connected to 12 people dieing in a bonfire accident.
#103 by Dennis Rodman on 11.24.09 1:03 pm |
About a quarter down this page shows the FLA Panthers took yesterday’s warmups in their current home uniform and 3rd jersey socks.
http://community.pos...
#104 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 1:05 pm |
mmwatkin said:
see #12
im not saying they are in any way taking a shot at the bonfire incident, but i wouldn’t put it past them either
nike exec a: “you know, someone is bound to think this is in poor taste, what with the bonfire accident”
nike exec b: “your point?”
nike exec a: “exactly”
#105 by Ricko on 11.24.09 1:13 pm |
mmwatkin said:
mmwatkin and I don’t always see eye-to-eye but, again, on this one there’s no doubt. Finding some kind of insidious, evil, hateful sentiment on Nike’s part really is grasping at straws.
The expiration date on one of my credit cards is 9/11.
Finally the other day it dawned on me: OMG, that credit card company is a front for terrorists!!!
—Ricko
#106 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 11.24.09 1:13 pm |
mmwatkin said:
It is the 10th anniversary of the bonfire tragedy – poking fun of the 12th Man, could be seen as insensitive. Hell… I was offended by it from the start! ;) The 12th Man is the fan…. so Nike wants to cut out the fan??? Real smart! Once they revealed the Bonfire Ribbon helmet, I bet they dumped it. I can’t find that shirt on the Nike site anymore. Shirt like that really helped out the Sooners, didn’t it!?!
#107 by Josh on 11.24.09 1:16 pm |
Daily News article on new Mets jersey:
http://www.nydailyne...
NY Post article on the same:
http://www.nypost.co...
#108 by MPowers1634 on 11.24.09 1:24 pm |
Tris Wykes said:
Jason Richardson wore one while playing hoops at Michigan State:
http://www.ibiblio.o...
http://graphics.fans...
#109 by Dave R on 11.24.09 1:25 pm |
Dave R said:
Sorry, I meant to say South Carolina and Maryland had nearly identical uniforms. I don’t know or care if this was for a good cause. Uniforms should be designed with the team in mind. It seems like the rivalry here is with Nike and UA.
#110 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 1:31 pm |
Dave R said:
dave
go to paul’s tailgating article and scroll down to the third item “Meanwhile, over on the gridiron”
pretty much everything you need to know about the riflery unis
#111 by Dave R on 11.24.09 1:38 pm |
LI Phil said:
Thanks. That was everything I needed to know. Now I’ll try to forget it.
#112 by leon on 11.24.09 1:44 pm |
I once had a friend named Trade Smith.
#113 by Brian Erni on 11.24.09 1:47 pm |
LI Phil said:
i can agree that black is seen in the stands, but why does it have to make an on the field appearance. there was a day when red yankees hats were all the rage because of fred durst, but the yankees had enough integrity not to include it in an on-field set. sell all the black garbage you want. just don’t put it on the field.
and, i have to say, IF there is a large contingent of people who do love the black, then fine. keep the black alternate jersey. but why does it have to be incorporated into EVERY jersey including a supposedly retro jersey?! phil, i know you’re with me on this, i’m just venting.
#114 by Kyle on 11.24.09 1:47 pm |
Hey Paul,
With Oregon looking towards the rose bowl, any word on what Nike would do for that game? I have to assume it would be shocking and slightly horrific.
#115 by Beardface on 11.24.09 1:56 pm |
Ok, just took the time to read all these comments and I only have 2 points to make (so far)
1. As much as I love to hate on Nike, I can’t really come down on them for the ‘it only takes 11′ thing. Its a stretch at best to connect this with the Bonfire thing. I mean, what are you saying, that at Texas it only takes 11 people to get killed in a fire? Obviously its not the case. Its just a ploy on Texas A&M’s 12th man, which any Big XII fan will tell you, the Aggies love to shove down your throat at every turn. If you want to blast Nike for the Nike SWAT Team vehicle on VaTech’s campus within spitting distance of the April 16th Memorial, go for it. However, this is just a stretch.
2. The Mets are a joke. I wish I could see the picture (flickr won’t let me view it while not signed in) but from what I hear its a cream version of their regular set. Awesome. As a Phillies fan, it makes me smile whenever they fuck up something so easy. Way to go, Wilpons, way to go!
#116 by Ricko on 11.24.09 1:56 pm |
Kyle said:
My theory is rose-colored jerseys with the shoulder feathers green so they look like little leaves. That would be just too, too precious.
And don’t say “rose” isn’t one of their colors.
Like THAT matters.
—Ricko
#117 by Tom Farley on 11.24.09 1:57 pm |
Ricko said:
They only bought the helmets from the Colts, Ricko. I got that bit of info from the late, great John Steadman’s book “The Baltimore Colts Story,” published in 1958.
The Packers had the gold jerseys and the green pants in 1950, but they were still wearing the leather helmets that year. Money was still pretty tight for them, apparently.
“Diner” remains one of my all-time favorites. “I’ll hit you so hard, I’ll kill your whole family.”
#118 by Ricko on 11.24.09 2:03 pm |
Tom Farley said:
What I figured, it was the helmets, or so the story goes. But those Colts’ colors were green and gray, so maybe the helmets discolored as the Lions did.
Either that or those Colts wore gold helmets, despite what their team colors were.
Is a puzzle.
—Ricko
#119 by Andrew Dixon on 11.24.09 2:04 pm |
I definitely spotted a USFL game in a first season episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm – the one where Larry tries to buy some piece of jewelry for his wife and he and Richard Lewis get into a fight over it at the end. Larry needs to buy the jewelry to appease her after he was more interested in the end of what is supposedly the Giants game than he is in her coming home. The footage they use is USFL footage.
#120 by Ricko on 11.24.09 2:07 pm |
Hey! How’s this for a solution to the “Redskins” nickname thing?
Redskins change color to a bit more maroon and, to trade off the strong NFL history nearby, become the…
WASHINGTON CLOTS
Okay, okay, not a good as BALTIMORE Clots.
—Ricko
#121 by Tom Farley on 11.24.09 2:07 pm |
… and the original Colts were green and gray. I’ve seen one of the unis on display in Canton.
I spotted the USFL footage in the “SpongeBob” episode, too. Made me smile.
Speaking of: ESPN is running a 30 for 30 marathon from 3-7p EST this Turkey Day. Kings Ransom, Muhammad and Larry, Without Bias, and USFL.”
#122 by Ricko on 11.24.09 2:10 pm |
Tom Farley said:
USFL footage (Bandits and somebody) on THE MENTALIST last season, too
#123 by Tom Farley on 11.24.09 2:11 pm |
Ricko said:
Or the Packers took the silver helmets and painted them gold, right? (Am I missing something? Certainly wouldn’t be the first time …)
#124 by AndyMcNeel on 11.24.09 2:16 pm |
As an Aggie myself, I hope I speak for the rest of my fellow Aggies when I say that I, in no way, see the “It Only Takes Eleven” slogan as a job at the Bonfire tragedy 10 years ago. It wouldn’t even make much direct sense, if you think about it.
I do think it’s probably a job at our 12th Man tradition at A&M…which is fine, and not taken as offensive in the least.
In fact…this is what I think of more than anything whenever I see it…
http://www.stardestr...
#125 by Ricko on 11.24.09 2:17 pm |
Tom Farley said:
Absolutely. That would be the other very logical possibility. I’m sure that since they were the Packers’ first plastic helmets that was cheaper than buying new.
—Ricko
#126 by TomServaux96 on 11.24.09 2:19 pm |
For the record, in my original post, I refer to the slogan as “terrible timing,” not “a nefarious Nike plot to offend an Adidas school.” I know that it was not their intent to offend, and yes, it is a clever slogan. And yes, having been a former member of the 12th Man, I get it (TM).
My only point was that it was being used for a particularly unfortunate game. Beardface made the comment about Nike putting SWAT vehicles on Virginia Tech’s campus. While this obviously does not rise to that level (and offending the Nike school’s fans, no less), in my opinion, sticking with that slogan for that game would show a similar lack of awareness on Nike’s part.
HOWEVER…
In Nike’s defense, since my post, I’ve been looking for said slogan on Nike’s website, and have not been able to find it (the Nike site only shows “Texas Fight” when you look up the Texas uniform). I don’t know when or why the change was made, but it appears to have been made.
So, in summary…
1) Not a Nike plot.
2) Nike changed it anyway, so this dumbass (i.e. yours truly) shouldn’t have brought it up in the first place.
3) My last name is in fact Smith, but neither I nor any member of my family is named “Trade” or “Mark.”
– TomServaux96
(who fearlessly predicts that the Ags will either win 35-17 or lose 63-10, given the way our season has gone)
#127 by Will S on 11.24.09 2:21 pm |
LI Phil said:
Come on. How many of us have thought about the Texas A&M bonfire trajedy outside of today? Was Nike supposed to look up all references that A&M had to the numbers 11 and 12 in order to make sure that they didn’t offend anyone? I am definitely in the camp that does not like these uniforms (besides tOSU and UT’s helmet numbers, the world needs more of those), but I think that we’re all being a little brash here. It even looks to me like the schools who wanted the futuristic jerseys got them, while the schools that wanted old school looks got them as well (VT, OU, UT). I don’t think that we can blame Nike for all of this.
I agree that classic looks are the best, but without some radical, “Oregonian” looks, I’m not sure we would be appreciating the looks of Notre Dame, Texas, Ole Miss, USC, and others as much as we do. There’s only so much that you can do with three stripes on the pants and sleeves, and I’m glad that the NCAA isn’t a cookie-cutter uniform league like it sometimes seems the NFL is becoming. The Browns, Colts, Dolphins, Jets, Chiefs, Bears, Packers, Cowboys, and 49ers all have the same template with different colors. That’s about 30% of the league. If the NCAA took this approach, we would have 40 teams looking pretty much the same, and how much is that.
Another way to look at it is this: From our method of thinking, all teams should have brown helmets and canvas-colored pants because they shouldn’t have innovated to colored designs. Edison said that he found “10,000 ways to incorrectly make a light bulb” (or something to that effect) before he hit the right answer. Maybe we should all be thanking Nike for showing us ways that uniforms don’t work
#128 by Lou on 11.24.09 2:23 pm |
LI Phil said:
The only reason so many fans wear the black stuff is because the Mets wear it so often. If the Mets eliminated it, the black would slowly fade from the fans as well.
I just don’t understand why they cannot do a proper throwback style jersey. Do they really think the black goes well with cream?! How would ONE jersey with no black in it hurt?
The Wilpons are just plain old idiots. Back in the day I never realized that Doubleday was actually the good owner.
#129 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 2:30 pm |
Will S said:
as i said, i don’t believe nike’s plan (ever) was to poke fun at the bonfire accident
what im saying is, once it was discovered (and don’t tell me no one in nike was unaware of the bonfire anniversary), they could have yanked the slogan (and judging from tomservaux recent detective work, perhaps they have)
instead, my position (and im probably wrong) is that they were (or were made) aware of the unfortunate double entendre and chose to ignore it…
maybe it’s all conspiracy theories, but once again, we’re talking about the nike unis
which is all they ever wanted
#130 by John in Athens on 11.24.09 2:37 pm |
(As submitted via Mets.com Contact Us page)
I am writing to express my disappointment in the New York Mets including the black drop-shadow on the new “retro” jersey. The drop shadow is not retro, it distracts from the cream/pinstripe look, and is a reminder of how the Mets do not “get it.”
Please hire ESPN’s Paul Lukas as soon as possible to ensure that future generations of Mets fans are spared from ridiculous drop-shadows, blue brims on black caps, and other uniform gimmicks.
Thank you.
-John
(Paul, plese submit you resume. We’ll start a petition)
#131 by Ricko on 11.24.09 2:41 pm |
Will S said:
Know what the core change really is (and I’m not making a value judgement)? It’s the way unis are made.
As the game and it unis evolved, trim was placed according to the pattern of the garment. Along seems, in gussets, as entire shoulder yokes, etc.
Now it’s the other way around. Design the uni and let a computer figure out the pattern.
That’s an incredible difference, opening far more possibilities to designers:
Form (striping, etc.) no longer has to follow Function (actually making the uni).
Now it’s the other way around.
So, as you say, while new is great fun, it doesn’t mean everything new is great. Some of it will be great, and, because it always will, some of it will suck.
(Here’s where I could link to a photo of a 1957 Chrysler with big ass fins. No need. You all get the point).
–Ricko
#132 by JTH on 11.24.09 2:43 pm |
Will S said:
Why? Because they all have stripes?
I’m having a hard time finding a common thread among all nine teams.
#133 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 2:50 pm |
JTH said:
jets and colts don’t even have stripes…they have truncated loops
#134 by Ricko on 11.24.09 3:00 pm |
LI Phil said:
We do all realize that had either 11 or 13 people died in that fire we wouldn’t even be talking about this, right?
Only common thread, and it is fiber-optic thin, is the number 12. The A&M lore in question is about one particular student, a 12th man. Not about 12 students in any form whatsoever.
But sports fans can be among to most irrational, ridiculously sensitive people on the planet, so I’m not surprised there was backlash.
“You’re wearing dark blue jeans to a Bears-Packers game at Lamebau? Obviously you’re a Bears fan.” Um…no, I’m wearing jeans…and they’re bluejeans.
—Ricko
#135 by Will S on 11.24.09 3:01 pm |
LI Phil said:
I understand that their not all exactly the same, but they do share a three stripe helmet and pants, and the same type of shoulder (Jets and Colts) and sleeve (other teams) stripes. I know that they’re not completely the same and I wasn’t trying to be a smartass about it. I’m just saying that mixing it up a little in the college ranks is kind of fun. Personally, the “Ducktracker” has been one of my favorite things this season in UniWatch, despite the fact that I can’t stand the black that’s incorporated into the design. I think that Nike’s getting closer to a very good design though, moving from the diamondplates to this one. If they got block numbers and had nameplates that contrasted with the jersey, I think that this design would look awesome with a mix and match of various green, yellow, and white pants, jerseys, and helmets.
If I had to choose, I would absolutely put myself in the traditional camp, but I think that the way that teams are experimenting with uniforms is interesting, and, in a sense, symbolic of the way that the college game is different than the pro game.
#136 by Terence M. K. on 11.24.09 3:08 pm |
Lou said:
I for one, am not opposed to using a little black as an accent color if done right AND there’s a WHOLE GENERATION of Mets Fans that identify with the Black in the Unis and have some good recent memories (‘99,’00 & ‘06) with these Mets in Black, that being said, they ARE dropping the ball on how to correctly transition to a new (read: old) Uni and identity. Here’s an example form Cerrone’s Metsblog.com:
“The player’s last name will be on the back; these will be the alternate home uniform, second to the all-whites; they are an egg-shell, creame color; and they’re not flannel, they are made of the same breatheable material used for the team’s other jersies.”
The Twins did it right, in that while saying it was retro inspired, took the NOB off and the Uni speak for itself…
Terence
#137 by Ricko on 11.24.09 3:15 pm |
Question re: NOB.
Does NL require NOB both home and road?
Or only road?
AL doesn’t require them at all, I know
(unless Yankees getting some special dispensation).
—Ricko
#138 by JTH on 11.24.09 3:25 pm |
Will S said:
Optical illusion?
#139 by Chris from Carver on 11.24.09 3:25 pm |
Ricko said:
From what I’ve learned from the MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double-Knit Era, the NL has a “gentleman’s agreement” to put NOB on road unis, no such thing for home & the AL has no agreement
#140 by Chris from Carver on 11.24.09 3:27 pm |
Chris from Carver said:
From said work, “The National League asked teams to sew player names to the back of all road uniform jerseys starting in 1979. If an alternate jersey is to be worn on the road, it too should have a name applied. No such guideline exists in the American League. However- in 2005-2006 the Dodgers omitted names on all uniforms, home and road, ignoring this “Gentleman’s Agreement” from 25 years ago. The names return in 2007, though.”
#141 by JTH on 11.24.09 3:28 pm |
Optical illusion #2?
#142 by JSS on 11.24.09 3:29 pm |
Have you guys seen that Clemson is also taking part in the Pro combat Nike uniforms?
http://clemsontigers...
Also, is anyone else hearing that Pitt may wear throwbacks for the Backyard Brawl on Friday night at WVU? Wannstedt said a few things more than a few times this year about it, but I have not seen any Pictures….
#143 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 11.24.09 3:37 pm |
Ricko said:
Okay kids…. it is not about 12 people dying – that is a coincidence! It is about what the 12th man symbolizes (there’es a spirit can ne’er be told)- and in the wake of the bonfire tragedy (freshly brought to our minds with the 1oth anniversary news stories – but hardly a one day thought since the anniv was on the 18th and THIS whole week leading up to the game is Bonfire Week) a poke at the 12th man symbolism would be inappropriate. Not horrific, just “oh, we should maybe pull that since they are wearing special helmets and all.”
#144 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 3:37 pm |
Ricko said:
I watch that show. I must have missed that particular episode.
Hey, speaking of those 30 for 30 documentaries, how have they been? Aside from the fantastic USFL one (got two copies on tape now), I haven’t heard a lot about the others.
#145 by Josh on 11.24.09 3:37 pm |
Interesting article on the manufacturing of NBA uniforms from MSNBC.com
“WASHINGTON – The official uniforms for NBA players could soon be made in Asia.
Sports apparel maker Adidas plans to end its contract with American suppliers and move production to a factory in Thailand. . . .”
http://www.msnbc.msn...
#146 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 3:41 pm |
SWC Susan (aka Tex) said:
thank ya tex
perhaps i didn’t do so well ’splainin…you did a much better job than i
for the last time (cuz im done)…it was NOT an insidious plot by nike to invoke the bonfire, but once it was brought to light, it was insensitive AT BEST and downright stupid (at worst) for them to KEEP the slogan…in light of the double entendre
all i was saying is someone at nike had to know (or be made aware) of it and chose NOT to change their marketing department’s slogan … unless, as tom has pointed out, now they have
if so, score one for decency
#147 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 3:49 pm |
LI Phil said:
“maybe it’s all conspiracy theories, but once again, we’re talking about the nike unis”
Well, you are… ;)
I’m just choosing to ignore them from now on. And yes, folks, that means no more SoD jokes from me. We can all breathe easy now.
In fact, if the Ducks play the Bucks in Pasadena, I’ll probably skip it. I have plenty of old games on tape, maybe I’ll watch the Penn State/Oregon Rose Bowl again. That was a nice matchup.
#148 by JP on 11.24.09 4:14 pm |
A comment from the NY Daily News article on the new Mets jersey:
“Some of my idiot Mets fans just dont understand that orange doesnt sell.I am glad the Mets are showing less orange these days.The black jerseys are fine.It is funny the old timers dont like the Black jerseys.You old timers are the same ones who still rock a mustache.The mustache has been played out since the late 80’s but you Keith Hernandez wanna be just cant let it go.”
That’s why the Mets won’t ditch the black (unfortunately), and goes to Phil’s point from above (#86).
#149 by bandito on 11.24.09 4:15 pm |
Sort’ve uni-related…
Are you in favor of dressing up tailgate coolers and icemakers in college team colors?
http://bit.ly/7o3AAY
#150 by Beardface on 11.24.09 4:21 pm |
LI Phil said:
Perhaps its just me, but with the whole thing being as much of a stretch to connect the dots as it is, this whole thing just reeks of WFTSOF (Whining For The Sake Of Whining). What happened in Blacksburg was a legitimate complaint. They parked a Nike SWAT Vehicle no more than 100 yards away from the location of the worst school shooting in history that happened 2 years ago. Not only that but it declared ‘Prepare for Combat’ at a school known for its Corps of Cadets. OK, thats bad. Thats a legit complaint.
But to blast them for an unwitty slogan that pokes fun of the Aggies for their obsession with the 12th Man (remember when Texas A&M tried to cease and decist that with the Seahawks? Yeah…) because a tragic event a few years ago coincidentally happened to involve 12 deaths? Yeah, I’m sorry, but thats a bit over the top. Its especially ironic when you realize Texas A&M was sued by Texas a few years ago for selling t-shirts with the Longhorn logo with the horns sawed off.
In other words… Get the fuck over it.
#151 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 4:22 pm |
JSS said:
Aaaah, if only…
http://www.blogcdn.c...
Not quite what I was looking for, but close.
Here’s a nice collection of old Backyard Brawl programs:
http://www.post-gaze...
#152 by JSS on 11.24.09 4:25 pm |
Indeed, JimV!!!!
#153 by Ricko on 11.24.09 4:29 pm |
Beardface said:
Besides, sensitivity hasn’t been a characteristic of those rivalries. Didn’t Bevo once get shot and killed by someone in the stands?
The Baylor bear has been kidnapped at least once.
A horse mascot (the Red Raider?) was taken and returned pregnant.
And there are other stories.
I dunno. Maybe it’s good thing to tone it down a bit.
—Ricko
#154 by JTH on 11.24.09 4:32 pm |
Beardface said:
What exactly are you saying? The Texas A&M thing is completely inadvertent, but Nike is actually trying to tie their “Pro Combat” campaign in with the Virginia Tech mass murder?
And I’m pretty sure it had been gotten the fuck over before you posted that diatribe.
#155 by Will S on 11.24.09 4:39 pm |
Will S said:
You got me on the Chiefs and Bears helmets, but you do have to admit that these all look pretty similar.
http://sportslogos.n...
http://www.sportslog...
http://www.sportslog...
http://www.sportslog...
http://www.sportslog...
http://www.sportslog...
#156 by Beardface on 11.24.09 4:41 pm |
JTH said:
There were multiple, and I mean multiple ways to connect the dots with how what they did at Virginia Tech could be considered bad. Parking the SWAT Vehicle within view of Norris Hall? There’s one. Moving it to directly in front of the April 16th Memorial and setting up a makeshift store? There another. Plastering it with ‘Prepare for Combat’ at a school known for its Corps of Cadets? Yet another. Doing all this for a game against Maryland when they’re wearing uniforms to support the Wounded Warrior Project? Wait… yep, another. I could go on and on.
With Texas, you’re blasting them because they came up with the ‘It Only Takes 11′ or whatever that pokes fun at their obsession with the ‘12th Man’ (TM). Your ONLY point of contention is that the Bonfire thing happened 10 years ago and HAPPENED to include 12 students. Had it been 13 students, no issue, yet you bet Nike would still be using the same slogan. Its really only bad because its coincidental, and only coincidental if you really sit back and dissect the situation. With VaTech, they put the situation right up front and center on Virginia Tech’s campus. Thats where the difference lies.
#157 by JTH on 11.24.09 4:49 pm |
Beardface said:
I never blasted anyone. And I don’t necessarily disagree with you.
My ONLY point of contention is that you’re basically saying, “All you whiners have no reason to whine so shut the fuck up and listen to my whining.”
#158 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 4:50 pm |
Beardface said:
so what’s your point?
you want more righteous indignation for what they did at va tech and less for what they’re doing with texas/a&m?
im pretty sure i was plenty pissed at the combat vehicles in blacksburg, but i can’t also be pissed at their insensitivity over the bonfire?
neither act by nike was sensitive…what they did at va tech was particularly noxious, but that doesn’t make a&m’s tragedy any less touchy (maybe you don’t feel that way, but perhaps i and others do)
what, exactly, is the problem then? and please don’t ever tell me to “get the fuck over” anything again, ok?
#159 by mmwatkin on 11.24.09 4:51 pm |
Beardface said:
Why would using the phrase “Prepare For Combat” on a campus that is known for military a bad thing?
Isn’t that, ya know, what they should be doing?
Basically, this comment section is the only place I have heard anyone bitch or moan about either…and I hate to think it stems from this site’s obsessive hatred for Nike.
#160 by Tom on 11.24.09 4:53 pm |
LI Phil said:
Plus all those uniforms developed in different eras. The one unifying element to all those looks is that (by and large) the teams were successful wearing those uniforms. For example the Lombardi-style Packer’s uniforms have little in common with other sets from the team’s long history. What they do have attached is the memory of the glory years of the Lombardi dynasty. Memory of success affects the classic quality of a set. Same way that memories of losing sometimes prompt teams to go in new directions.
#161 by JTH on 11.24.09 5:05 pm |
Will S said:
I don’t think I’d use the word “template” to describe the similarities, but I can see your point. They all have stripèd sleeves and stripèd pants. No unusual piping or truncated lines to be found.
#162 by Tom on 11.24.09 5:05 pm |
Of the 17 teams that have won the Super Bowl
Green Bay
New York Jets
Kansas City Chiefs
Indianapolis (Baltimore) Colts
Dallas Cowboys
Miami Dolphins
Pittsburg Steelers
Oakland (LA) Raiders
San Francisco 49ers
Washington Redskins
Chicago Bears
New York Giants
Denver Broncos
Baltimore Ravens
New England Patriots
Tampa Bay Bucs
Only the Rams and Giants currently have radically different uniforms from when they won their first Super Bowl. The Giants have also won a Super Bowl in the current duds. The Dolphins and Steelers have made minor changes but are still recognizable. Some of these teams have changed to different sets (such as the Jets and 49ers) only to revert back to the one that brought them success.
#163 by Gary Cohen on 11.24.09 5:06 pm |
My company, Halcyon Days Productions, was the USFL production company – the NFL Films of the USFL. When the league went out of business, they ceded the ownership of the footage library to myself and my partner, Mike Tollin. Ever since, we have licensed footage from USFL games to virtually anyone who wanted to buy it. This included all of the people who were unable to pay the NFL’s rates or somehow were excluded by their sensibilities. For years, the Canadian Lottery licensed our footage for their commercials because the NFL wouldn’t sanction the gambling element. Same thing for the movie Against All Odds. We sold a lot of footage to the HBO series 1st and 10, starring OJ Simpson, which the NFL certainly didn’t sanction due to lots of gratuitous toplessness and all kinds of nefarious behavior. Through the years, the best customers have been the TV set companies, who need football footage to sell new sets every fall. They all believe that football footage is the only way to sell TV sets. The single best sale we ever made was to the movie Gladiator, not for use in the movie, but rather for the TV commercials that showed a shot of a sold-out Jacksonville Stadium morphing into a shot from the movie with the voice-over line “Today, we watch football. Then, they watched Gladiators.”
The model USFL franchise was the Tampa Bay Bandits and their slogan, All the Fun the Law Allows, could well have been the motto for the whole league. It was an exciting venture fueled by the youthful exuberance of the young players and team personnel, many of whom were in their first jobs. Then, of course, there was the sense that we were the sexier alternative to the dowdy old No Fun League. It was a shame that the USFL only lasted the three years, but the footage lives on in my garage and in television shows and movies.
Gary Cohen
#164 by Teebz on 11.24.09 5:08 pm |
I’m going to take a guess here…
I’m quite certain that Nike’s pitch to VaTech would have included a number of elements seen on campus that day considering the massive rollout of this marketing campaign.
If the AD was dumb enough to let Nike in the side door by only considering the cash that Nike was dumping outside his door, then you get what you deserve.
And the same goes for Texas A&M.
I’m not being cruel or heartless here, but I doubt that Nike would have held back on their slogans and marketing when selling the Athletic Directors on how they were going to aggressively market these individual campaigns.
So where does the fault lie? The ignorant executives at Nike, or the people who allowed Nike to come into their schools and use these marketing tools?
Sometimes, there are four fingers pointing back at you when your index finger is assigning blame.
#165 by TomServaux96 on 11.24.09 5:11 pm |
Paul —
I would never tell you how to run your site, but…
UniWatch Profile STAT on Mr. Cohen!
#166 by Beardface on 11.24.09 5:19 pm |
Teebz said:
Go for it… Blast the VaTech AD as much as you want. The guy has been a money-whore for years.
#167 by leon on 11.24.09 5:28 pm |
JimV19 said:
Does that include the Doug Flutie Jiminy Cricket against Miami?
#168 by rpm on 11.24.09 5:42 pm |
today’s interview was gold, GOLD. GOOOOOLD!
(sorry jeremy, i somehow posted this under the panther, but wanted you to know how much i enjoyed the interview, so i cut and pasted here. anyway, yeah, awesome read)
they remade the bad lieutenant? is that for real? that has got to be a lie. have we been reduced to this as a culture? i hate remakes anyway, but tbl? if this is the cannon we are going to pull from, let me announce here and now that i am remaking the love god. if you don’t have 4 minutes 5 seconds, start at the 2 minute mark, you will not be disappointed. let’s cast it, who plays knotts? lipS? really, the bad lieutenant?
#169 by Ricko on 11.24.09 5:50 pm |
leon said:
Excuse me. It was the BLUE FAIRY who granted Pinocchio’s wish to become a real boy. Jiminy Cricket only sang the song.
Therefore, that should be the “Doug Flutie Blue Fairy against Miami”.
And the” Drew Pearson Blue Fairy” vs. Minnesota.
I think we’d all agree that has far more dignity than “Jiminy Cricket.”
—Ricko
Erego,
#170 by James Craven on 11.24.09 5:56 pm |
The Wizards will wear some sort of memorial starting tonight in honor of Abe Polin, who passed away this day at the age of 85.
#171 by BuckeyeMark on 11.24.09 6:06 pm |
not to ruin everybody’s party but the “Only Takes 11″ deal was supposed to reference a famous Texas team that played 11 guys both ways. it was not a direct shot at the Ags 12th Man, the bonfire, global warming, the fall of western civilization due to the increased consumption of refined sugar or changes in bird migration due to airline traffic.
sometimes we really over think things here. Nike is prolly way too busy counting money to come up with any of this stuff we accuse them of. they call a school and an SID (or his grad assistant) whips up a list of stuff that goes with the school and they shoot it back to Nike. they try out some slogans on teen-agers, go with what they like and head over to accounting to watch the shekels pour in.
#172 by JohnnyO on 11.24.09 6:18 pm |
For those who have Facebook, I know of a lady who works in Marketing for the Brewers. She is doing a special this off season called “There is no off season for…”
Today she did a cool interview with the Director of Ground at Miller Park. They officially put Miller Park to rest for the winter today. Here is the link if you have Facebook. Hopefully it works without you having to be her friend:
http://www.facebook....
#173 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 6:25 pm |
apparently they are upset on one of the longhorn boards about nike changing the slogan…(fixed — originally said aggies)
first comment: “Our original “Slogan” for our Turkey Day unis were – “It Only Takes Eleven”
Our new “Slogan” – TEXAS FIGHT
I want to know who the fuck whined about that enough to get NIKE to change it.”
beautiful
#174 by AndyMcNeel on 11.24.09 6:38 pm |
Looks like a Horn board to me….
#175 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 6:41 pm |
AndyMcNeel said:
yeah…it is…im an idiot…had the aggies on my mind
will fix
#176 by AndyMcNeel on 11.24.09 6:45 pm |
No sweat. Just wanted to make sure you weren’t trying to portray us Aggies as being as whiny as the Horns are. ;-)
#177 by JTH on 11.24.09 7:11 pm |
rpm said:
It’s not a remake. It’s a documentary about the band.
No, seriously. It’s not a remake.
#178 by MPowers1634 on 11.24.09 7:43 pm |
Check out what I found at the LSU athletics store:
http://images.footba...
#179 by interlockingtc on 11.24.09 9:25 pm |
What a great interview.
#180 by Mark K on 11.24.09 9:42 pm |
JohnnyO said:
here…
http://brewers.mlblo...
#181 by Brad Larocque on 11.24.09 10:01 pm |
I don’t know if this is new or not. I was watching the Montreal-Columbus game and I noticed Carey Price was wearing his old mask.
#182 by SoCalDrew on 11.24.09 10:10 pm |
Now can we PLEASE change the name back to Bullets!?
#183 by Skycat on 11.24.09 10:11 pm |
SoCalDrew said:
Too soon.
#184 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 10:16 pm |
leon said:
I don’t have the whole game, but I do have some highlights…and the Jiminy Cricket pass. Hey, yeah, 25 Thanksgiving Fridays ago was when the Flutie play happened. Thanks for the reminder, leon. I’m getting that tape out very soon.
#185 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 10:18 pm |
Ricko said:
Works for me!
#186 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 10:28 pm |
Gary Cohen said:
Mr. Cohen, if you want to clear up some garage space, I’d be willing to hold on to some of those films for you…
Seriously, you and Mike did a great job covering that wonderfully fun league. Thanks for the memories.
Do you sell footage to people for home viewing?
#187 by leon on 11.24.09 10:30 pm |
R.I.P. Mr. Abe
#188 by =bg= on 11.24.09 10:51 pm |
Ricko said:
Somewhere, Frank Robinson was snickering while watching the Skin’s game.
#189 by =bg= on 11.24.09 10:53 pm |
Ricko said:
True story. My friend in HS, Dave Gislason, and I are in my room watching the Vikes/Cowboys. On my little B&W Sony. I turn to him and say, “Staubach’s gonna throw a TD right now.”
Boom.
Best clutch QB ever, along with Joe Cool.
#190 by JimV19 on 11.24.09 10:59 pm |
=bg= said:
I still think Drew Pearson pushed off, though.
Didn’t like him, or the other #88 for the Cowboys, but I did repsect Mr. Staubach. He, Bob Hayes and Emmitt Smith were about the only Cowboys I ever liked.
#191 by Taxman on 11.24.09 11:35 pm |
=bg= said:
Wow – high praise indeed for Mr. Flacco.
#192 by Ricko on 11.24.09 11:37 pm |
JimV19 said:
I dunno. Seen that play more times than I can count and it still looks to me like Pearson and Nate Wright were handfighting all the way down the field, and Wright stumbled when he turned just as Pearson was doing one last slap-and-tickle.
Think the official did the right thing with a no-call cuz it could have gone either way.
Just not the time to make a call like that. No one got bumped of their line and it looks—seriously—as if Wright, instead of staying with the receiver, turned when he thought he’d reached the limits of Staubach’s arm, expecting the ball to be there. He was wrong.
—Ricko
#193 by LI Phil on 11.24.09 11:42 pm |
leon said:
now…has that play been referred to more times as the hail flutie or the magic flutie?
#194 by MPowers1634 on 11.25.09 12:31 am |
Hey clowns, check this out:
http://www.kixandthe...
#195 by JTH on 11.25.09 7:56 am |
MPowers1634 said:
Where are the gloves?
#196 by Robert on 11.25.09 9:38 am |
Why does the case holding the new LSU uniforms reference a recipe for a slow roasted suckling pig? http://fr.wikipedia....
#197 by iLO on 11.25.09 1:49 pm |
Anyone notice the Fort Hood “III Corps and Subordinate Units” sticker on the Texas A&M helmet. Very cool.
Hooah!