Spent the weekend in Cooperstown, where my old college buddy Jeff Katz is now the deputy mayor. Just a short trip — drove up on Friday, drove back on Sunday — and most of it went by in a blur, which may say something about the amount of Halloween candy I ate (I think my sugar rush is just now subsiding).
Highlight of the weekend was a behind-the-scenes tour at the Hall of Fame, conducted by senior curator and longtime Uni Watch ally Tom Shieber. I’ll have more to say about that later on, but here’s a little taste, in the form of a fairly remarkable coincidence: As you may recall, back on Friday I ran these pics of Rogers Hornsby wearing a Chicago Youth League uni with FNOF. So imagine my surprise when Shieber took us into the Hall’s art storage area (basically a massive collection of artwork pertaining to baseball — some of it good, much of it hilariously bad) and I saw the painting shown above, which shows the Raja wearing something very similar to the uni he was wearing in those photos.
Didn’t watch a single minute of football all weekend, so no Monday Morning Uni Watch today — sorry, gang.
Our way of celebrating the internet’s 40th birthday: The site has crashed for the past two nights, both times at 1am eastern. Johnny Ek has been gloating about the Yankees’ impending Series victory burning up the phone lines with our web host to determine the problem, and the short version is that it appears to have something to do with the commenting function. So as a precaution, we’re going to shut down the comments tonight at about 11pm eastern. That’s just a Band-Aid fix, of course, but we’ll shoot for a more permanent solution in the days to come. Thanks for your patience.
In case you missed it: I had a short column about World Series rings posted on ESPN on Friday afternoon. You can check it out here.
Sponsor Shout-Out: As you may have noticed, our old friends at Distant Replays have rejoined the ranks of Uni Watch advertisers. It’s a slightly different operation than it was before, but DR founder Andy Hyman is still on board (plus he’s now blogging), and it’s great to be working with him again. Welcome back, Andy.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Great article on former college football powers, with some wonderful old photos, here (with thanks to Mike Prospero). … Very unusual NOB here — a nickname in quotes plus a surname with a tilde (great find by Shane Bua). … The Alaska Aces went with a Halloween uni on Saturday (with thanks to Reggie Kennedy). … Check out the very odd helmets worn by Denmark at the B-Group European Championships (interesting find by Stefan Schubert). … Surprisingly accurate-ish Dolphins uniforms shown a little more than halfway through this South Park clip (with thanks to Jacob Reed). … Here’s a weird one: a Mizzou jacket with a Marlins-esque insignia (with thanks to Ben Traxel). … Interview with the guy who designed the World Cup trophy here (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Also from Jeremy: a great site devoted to 1800s soccer uniforms and a wonderful 1906 Austrialian football illustration. … Not sure why some Lakers players were still wearing the Opening Night championship patch for Friday’s game against the Mavs. It was only a couple of players (I think just Artest and Odom); everyone else was patch-free. Trying to find out what’s up. … Joey Rubino notes that Alex Goligoski went without his collar laces on Friday. … In a related item, Brooks Simpson points out that Bruins goalie Tuukka Rask used to wear collar laces but more recently has gone without them. Same goes for his white jersey. … Many readers noted that Michigan linebacker Kevin Leach’s nameplate was missing on Saturday, plus he was wearing No. 10 instead of his usual 52. … Indiana TE Max Dedmond had a decal glitch on Saturday (screen shot courtesy of David Teigland). … More coverage of Carey Price’s mask design here (with thanks to Stephen Sickles). … Back in March, I published this ESPN column about DIY jerseys. One of the featured DIYers was Aaron Stilley, who had made himself a KC Scouts jersey. Now he’s made a mini-Rangers jersey for his son. “I based the design largely on this jersey, which looks pretty much like what NHLuniforms.com lists as the team’s 1928-1941,” says Aaron. “One detail I didn’t attempt was the white collar.” … “Ryan Swope is a WR for Texas A&M,” writes Glenn Stern. “He normally wears No. 25, but he also plays special teams, and there’s a defensive back, Jordan Pugh, who is also No. 25. So on special teams, Swope puts on a different-numbered jersey with NNOB. I also think it has a special zipper on the side so they can get it on and off. In that last photo, note his No. 25 helmet and his ‘Swope’ nameplate showing through the NNOB jersey.” … Warren Humphrey sent along two awesome Reds photos: This one shows equipment manager Bernie Stowe putting uniforms in the Cincy locks, circa 1969, and this one shows an unidentified seamstress working on the 1972 Big Red Machine uniforms. … Man, I gotta travel to Greece, at least judging from this butcher’s market photo recently taken by my friend Anne Gant. … Things that happen roughly every two months: I eat a salad, the Rams win a game, and some newspaper publishes an article about how the local team’s uniforms are laundered (with thanks to Michael Becker). … Notable Halloween costumes: Nathan Haas saw someone dressed as David Wright (complete with Gazoo helmet and sadly appropriate NOB), and Eric Bennett played softball dressed as Oscar Gamble. … Hmmm, maybe this color-on-color thing isn’t such a great idea after all. … Two eBay finds I haven’t seen before: a 1984 Olympics staff uniform and a vintage roller derby uni (for only 20 grand!). … Cole Jones has completed his decade-by-decade survey of the North Stars’ and Stars’ uniform history. It starts here and then you can follow the links for the subsequent entries.
#1 by mmwatkin on 11.02.09 8:55 am |
That punt return video is classic. Poor guy knew immediately what he had done.
Also a good clip if you want to see how the Wolverines would look like with monochrome blue uniforms (#8)
#2 by dwight on 11.02.09 8:56 am |
RE: Mizzou jacket font. They use that same Marlins type script for some variations of their baseball unis as well – don’t have photo, but it’s their, I promise.
#3 by War Damn Eagle on 11.02.09 8:59 am |
Missouri baseball:
http://www.columbiam...
#4 by mmwatkin on 11.02.09 9:00 am |
Personal foul on #5
http://www.ebaumswor...
#5 by War Damn Eagle on 11.02.09 9:03 am |
Other Mizzou baseball images with the Marlins-esque font:
http://farm1.static....
http://ecx.images-am...
They also use this font for one of their unis:
http://www.columbiam...
But this was probably their best look (love the quilted pants):
http://muarchives.mi...
#6 by leon on 11.02.09 9:12 am |
Hope that’s fast-pitch softball what with all the plastic and metal the 3 guys in the photo are wearing. The umps, er, ball bag makes me think they are actually playing baseball.
#7 by leon on 11.02.09 9:18 am |
Watching the color-on-color video brings to mind a theory I’ve had about The Georgetown/UNC final game when Fred Brown inexplicably passed the ball to a Tarheel player at the end of the game. I know they weren’t both wearing color, but they both at times wore a similar blue (not exactly the same). Just wonder if he got confused in the heat of the moment and wouldn’t have done the same if his opponent were wearing red or purple or whatever.
#8 by Adam on 11.02.09 9:24 am |
No love for the “Worlds Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party” in the Ticker? Georgia wore BLACK Helmuts for the 1st time in there history and then took an ass whoopin’ from the Gators here in Jax on Saturday and not even a peep? (But the Yankees made the ‘worst uniform’ waste of time….”
#9 by War Damn Eagle on 11.02.09 9:29 am |
What in the hell was Georgia thinking with the black helmet and red facemask? Because they played like Grambling, too.
And Tennessee’s black jerseys were a disaster. Pairing them with orange pants? Really?
#10 by Adam on 11.02.09 9:33 am |
War Damn Eagle said:
Lane’s an idiot…he has taken away ALL of Tennesse’s credibility…
Just remember, you can not spell CITRUS with out UT!
#11 by Joe BC Johnson on 11.02.09 9:39 am |
Kansas broke out blue pants. Never saw these before:
http://www.kuathleti...
#12 by paul on 11.02.09 9:44 am |
Does anyone know why the Raiders and Chargers weren’t in legacy throwbacks yesterday? And what was the big difference in the Dolphins uniforms?
#13 by scott on 11.02.09 9:48 am |
paul said:
Not every game featuring two former AFL teams is a legacy game. The NFL issued a schedule before the season began for when teams would be wearing the special outfits.
#14 by dwight on 11.02.09 9:54 am |
War Damn Eagle said:
Thanks for doing what I couldn’t!!!!!
#15 by Dank on 11.02.09 10:00 am |
Phillies should wear their alternates tonight. Well, actually they should wear them all the time at home (and the hats all the time period) but that’s another story.
#16 by Ricko on 11.02.09 10:20 am |
mmwatkin said:
Speaking of such things, this “highlight” from yesterday…
http://www.youtube.c...
—Ricko
#17 by Kyle@IU on 11.02.09 10:33 am |
ahh, that photo of the Indiana TE Dedmond was taken right at 8:00 in the third quarter…just about the time the game turned decisively in Iowa’s favor. Uniform mistakes strike again!
#18 by JTH on 11.02.09 10:35 am |
I understand the look that those Danish helmets are going for. As a concept, it looks pretty decent. On the field, it just looks like they’ve been hastily repaired with tape or something.
#19 by Kaptain K on 11.02.09 10:52 am |
JTH said:
Actually, this concept can be considered an old, old school throwback, albeit the Danish cross is misplaced: http://pasttimesport...
Maybe the Danes should have put the cross on top of the helmet.
#20 by Jonathan Sluss on 11.02.09 11:05 am |
What’s with #8 at the end of the punt return video? He matches neither team other than the blue jersey, but he’s wearing black pants and a helmet with no stripes.
#21 by Broadway Connie on 11.02.09 11:12 am |
“… … Also from Jeremy: a great site devoted to 1800s soccer uniforms…”
***
Unbelievably wonderful site. Jeremy strikes again. One of the aspects of the site’s greatness – a gentle corrective, Paul – is that it follows the uni history of all the major English and Scottish clubs, not just in the 19th Century, but straight through the present…
Highly recommended for soccer geeks, design geeks, and history geeks.
#22 by Kerry P on 11.02.09 11:15 am |
Jonathan Sluss said:
If these are high school teams, the blank helmets could be players that also play junior varsity football. I’ve seen that a good bit here in Louisiana. Also, #68 has a blank helmet as well. It still doesn’t explain the different colored pants though.
#23 by Ricko on 11.02.09 11:16 am |
Jonathan Sluss said:
Okay, let’s put our thinking caps on, shall we.
Ever heard of the “Las Vegas Cobras” befor?
No? Okay. Good bet they’re some kind of semi-pro team in a league with a uniform budget of about a buck and a half.
Judging by the size of #8, he’s probably the kicker, and may have supplied his own pants.
Now let’s google “Las Vegas Cobras football” and see what we find…
oh look…
http://www.eteamz.co...
#24 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 11:17 am |
That color vs color high school game is just a big mess. Multiple helmets and jerseys and all kinds of weirdness. There’s blue on yellow, blue on blue, michigan helmets, logoless blue helmets, white numbers on red, dark numbers on red… Big mess.
I’d love to know what that guy was thinking anyway. That was not a situation where one should be attempting to make a tackle, even if you are completely color blind to the point of only seeing shades of gray.
#25 by chance michaels on 11.02.09 11:24 am |
mmwatkin said:
Bizarre play – I understand mis-reading one dark color jersey for another in the heat of the moment, but what was anybody on the return team doing making a tackle?
#26 by chance michaels on 11.02.09 11:27 am |
Ah, Jeff. You beat me to it.
Another oddity – not only is there one player in monochrome blue, but the player who makes the tackle (white numbers outlined in black) has a different jersey than his teammates (black numbers outlined in white).
Maybe teams wear “uniforms” for a reason.
#27 by Ricko on 11.02.09 11:28 am |
chance michaels said:
“Mongo…want…play.”
(see post #21. Most of those guys are not physically, and sometimes mentally, capable of playing anywhere else.
—Ricko
#28 by Bernard on 11.02.09 11:33 am |
War Damn Eagle said:
Not defending it at all, because I thought it looked terrible as well, but I wonder if the black/orange had anything to do with Halloween. I mean, I know the black was meant to inspire/intimidate, but pairing it with the orange might’ve been a nod to the holiday. Or not.
#29 by Terence M. K. on 11.02.09 11:40 am |
“As you may recall, back on Friday I ran these pics of Rogers Hornsby wearing a Chicago Youth League uni with FNOF.”
Paul,
I sent you these photos on friday morning right after i read the ticker:
http://i104.photobuc...
http://i104.photobuc...
Wha, no love?…
Terence M.K.
#30 by leon on 11.02.09 11:42 am |
“Mongo”
terific reference to a terrific thespian/athlete/gambler.
#31 by Greenie on 11.02.09 11:46 am |
Ricko said:
I see your two Raiders and raise you three Packers
http://www.youtube.c...
(check the 2:30 min mark)
-Greenie
#32 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 11:46 am |
leon said:
What Mongo are we referring to?
The only Mongo that jumps into my head is a former Bears player with a really lame attempt at wrestling in the WCW in the late 90’s.
#33 by leon on 11.02.09 11:49 am |
The Jeff said:
http://www.youtube.c...
#34 by Ricko on 11.02.09 11:54 am |
The Jeff said:
Doesn’t matter. The point was that at a semi pro level are apt to be some players who aren’t all that smart and will make mistakes.
Leon’s reference was to Alex Karas. Beyond that, you can do some homework for the Mongo relevance.
#35 by Paul Lukas on 11.02.09 12:20 pm |
Terence M. K. said:
Didn’t get them! Or maybe they got lost in my Friday-travel shuffle. No offense intended!
#36 by Terence M. K. on 11.02.09 12:24 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
None taken!
Look out for my Koosman sleeve patch mystery email. Interesting stuf going on in the HOF…
#37 by LI Phil on 11.02.09 12:24 pm |
The Jeff said:
mongo like candy
#38 by Randy Miller on 11.02.09 12:46 pm |
mongo but pawn in game of life
#39 by Ricko on 11.02.09 12:49 pm |
Randy Miller said:
Now we’re on track.
#40 by leon on 11.02.09 12:55 pm |
mas mongo
http://www.worldwide...
#41 by Ricko on 11.02.09 1:05 pm |
Mongo not like see Yankees in poll.
“No, see, Mongo, we figured it was pretty obvious something hinky was going on with the voting, and we wanted to let everyone see what had happened.”
Mongo still not like. Corrupt integrity of sampling base. Ruin website forever. P-tooey!
“But by letting the aberration speak for itself we figured to expose it and let it disappear under its own absurdity.”
Bah, poll tainted. Mongo life not worth living now.
Mongo go punch blue horsey. If can find one.
#42 by leon on 11.02.09 1:13 pm |
mongo need danish helmet
#43 by Ricko on 11.02.09 1:16 pm |
leon said:
Mongo like danish helmet.
Is like flip-flop of balls at driving range.
#44 by Ricko on 11.02.09 1:25 pm |
Oh, wow, wouldn’t it be GREAT if the Falcons and Saints BOTH wore black pants tonight!!!
The would be, like, so AWESOME!
Cuz, y’know, the Saints have been wearing gold pants all season so they overdue for a change.
#45 by leon on 11.02.09 1:36 pm |
Ricko said:
black more appropriate evening wear
#46 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 1:37 pm |
Ricko said:
Smartassery aside, they should start wearing their damn black jerseys at home. White jerseys are lame enough as it is, without them being worn at home in a stadium where heat is not an issue.
#47 by LI Phil on 11.02.09 1:39 pm |
smartassery aside, what’s wrong with white at home?
#48 by Ricko on 11.02.09 1:42 pm |
LI Phil said:
What’s wrong with white, period?
#49 by Ricko on 11.02.09 1:47 pm |
The Jeff said:
The concept of it being as easy as possible for a QB to spot his receivers is just lost on you, isn’t it.
I suppose it doesn’t matter all that much it Madden. But if Ray Lewis or Jared Allen—the REAL Ray Lewis or Jared Allen, that is—is drawing a bead on our thorax it matters a whole helluva lot.
—Ricko
#50 by bourbon soaked idiot on 11.02.09 1:48 pm |
Ricko said:
What’s wrong with purple, period?
#51 by Ricko on 11.02.09 1:49 pm |
bourbon soaked idiot said:
Exactly.
#52 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 1:57 pm |
Ricko said:
Because I just don’t like it.
I feel that a team’s uniform should be in team colors. To the casual fan, white is not a team color (except for white helmet teams). The Steelers are black & gold, the Saints are metallic gold & black, the Packers are green & gold, etc.
Remember I also want color vs color to become standard, so tonight’s game would be red vs black, or red vs gold if the Saints felt like wearing their “light” jerseys.
#53 by Ricko on 11.02.09 2:01 pm |
The Jeff said:
Okay, we’ve established you’ve never played quarterback at pretty much any level.
Or ever been on the sidelines of an NFL game to appreciate the almost unbelievable speed at which things happen.
Fair enough.
Reality isn’t an issue for you.
So we can move on, keeping that in mind.
—Ricko
#54 by LarryB on 11.02.09 2:01 pm |
I am looking through the article and pictures Mike Prospero found. Some great photos. I like to read about the Chicago Maroon and this is a great picture of them vs Princeton
http://s.wsj.net/pub...
#55 by LarryB on 11.02.09 2:02 pm |
And that is a great painting of Rogers Hornsby in the main story. I love it.
#56 by Ricko on 11.02.09 2:07 pm |
LarryB said:
Gonna colorize that one, Larry B? Would be great. Maybe just the unis and the skin tones for a nice ethereal effect?
—Ricko
#57 by LI Phil on 11.02.09 2:08 pm |
The Jeff said:
well then, i guess that’s that
do you play color vs. color on madden a lot?
#58 by LarryB on 11.02.09 2:10 pm |
Ricko said:
HAHA Ricko knows where my mind is when I look at old pictures. I was thinking of possibly trying that one.
#59 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 2:11 pm |
Ricko said:
Oh shove it.
Did any of the QBs throw more INTs in the red vs blue Chiefs/Cowboys game than in any other normal game? No, they didn’t.
#60 by Ricko on 11.02.09 2:19 pm |
The Jeff said:
Yeah, a one-game sample proves everything we need to know.
My response remains unchanged.
—Ricko
#61 by Ricko on 11.02.09 2:23 pm |
The Jeff said:
You haven’t noticed the copious amount of white on the shoulder yokes of the Cowboys “throwbacks”? From a QB’s vantage point, they’re virtually white jerseys.
#62 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 2:23 pm |
LI Phil said:
Every game, unless the colors are too close. No Eagles green vs navy or black, no red vs red, etc.
I don’t care what Ricko says, Raiders black vs Chargers powder blue is a nice looking game.
#63 by peter on 11.02.09 2:24 pm |
Philly Paper prints wrong ad:
Displays the World Series shrit
http://www.nydailyne...
#64 by Ricko on 11.02.09 2:25 pm |
Ricko said:
vs. the Chiefs/Texans that day, I meant.
#65 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 2:27 pm |
Ricko said:
Ok.. so if they’re “virtually white” vs a team in red, shouldn’t that also mean they’d be “virtually white” against another team wearing white? White shoulders are white shoulders, are they not?
If you don’t like color vs color, fine. Just say that.
#66 by peter on 11.02.09 2:28 pm |
Paul, didn’t you do a piece about a guy who traveled to a 3rd world country to get an UNDEFEATED Patriots shirt?
#67 by LI Phil on 11.02.09 2:30 pm |
peter said:
didn’t they run this header once?
#68 by peter on 11.02.09 2:32 pm |
I thought you did one too Paul (anything Uni-Related I immediately associate with this site)
Here’s the article I was thinking about (which I may have linked to from here)
http://www.boston.co...
#69 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 2:32 pm |
The Jeff said:
Besides, I want this to be league-wide. If it is a disadvantage, it’d be the same disadvantage for everyone. I’m fine with that.
#70 by Ricko on 11.02.09 2:35 pm |
The Jeff said:
I NEVER have said I was against highly contrasting color-on-color. Do NOT put works in someone’s mouth. All I’ve ever said it that the logistics of managing what combos work is a pain in the ass (at least for the moment) for the NFL/NCAA and they probably aren’t interested in farting around with it any more than they need to.
Hence, they’ll hold onto “one team in white”. Because it makes sense, it’s just flat-out easier to manage and most times is the best answer. THAT’s one “reality” I meant. The other is that you DO need to have a clear visual difference for the sake of the QB (and others, but critically the QB) because not all situations are perfect. They’re impacted by weather conditions, lighting, et al.
Eliminating white altogether just isn’t gonna fly in the real world, that’s all. Live with it.
—Ricko
#71 by RockyTopEddy on 11.02.09 2:41 pm |
Bernard said:
Tennessee came out for pre-game warmups in all orange. The fans got the first glimpse of the black as the players gathered in the tunnel to run through the T.
I’m not a fan of the black, but I do have to admit one thing. From inside the stadium, the numbers were a lot easier to read than the white on orange.
Through 1921, Tennessee’s uniforms were black with orange numbers. The orange jerseys debuted in 1922. I am going to claim the black jerseys were done for the sake of tradition, not for the sake of being trendy. (I don’t believe it either, but I am hoping to convince myself it is true.)
#72 by RockyTopEddy on 11.02.09 2:47 pm |
Great…
http://www.govolsxtr...
#73 by The Jeff on 11.02.09 2:53 pm |
RockyTopEddy said:
Well, at least they might actually design the basketball uniforms to look like they’re supposed to be black.
The football uniforms looked silly because there’s absolutely no black on the pants or helmet.
(Assuming of course that you can get beyond the whole broken tradition aspects of it)
#74 by Ricko on 11.02.09 3:00 pm |
“The football uniforms looked silly because there’s absolutely no black on the pants or helmet.”
Don’t know if looked “silly” but certainly did suggest was a “Halloween Special” because only changed one garment.
Didn’t look like a redesign, just a one-off. Like the camo jerseys in baseball, I guess. The don’t go adding camo to the pants stripe, too. At least the majority of teams who do such things don’t go so far as to do that.
—Ricko
#75 by Mark on 11.02.09 3:02 pm |
The Jeff said:
But it sure did match the black Adidas logo on the pants…
#76 by Daniel on 11.02.09 3:02 pm |
bourbon soaked idiot said:
this:
http://www.minnpost....
#77 by RockyTopEddy on 11.02.09 3:23 pm |
The Jeff said:
Two of the team captains, Eric Berry and Montario Hardesty, went to AD Mike Hamilton on Wednesday and convinced him to let the team go with black jerseys. A pretty reliable source says that they wanted black pants, but there wasn’t enough time to get those also. Tennessee’s equipment manager, Roger Frazier, worked with a local company to get the jerseys done.
Whether you like the black or not, you have to admire an equipment guy getting that many jerseys (with right sizes and numbers) done that quickly.
#78 by mtjaws on 11.02.09 4:10 pm |
LI Phil said:
White at home is perfect in baseball, basketball, and (formerly) hockey, but is totally backwards for football. The home team should always be in dark, road team in white. Why? Just because!
#79 by Robert on 11.02.09 4:59 pm |
mtjaws said:
It should be the home team’s choice. Personally I like some teams in white better – Dallas, Washington, Indy, and Miami in particular – but that’s part of playing at home. The league shouldn’t mandate anything, either in college or pro. If LSU or the Saints wants white at home, go for it (though the Saints look much better in black shirts at home).
I do appreciate color on color when USC and UCLA play but I agree with Ricko–it’s too hard to figure out what is sufficient contrast and what isn’t. For instance, I think Tennessee/Alabama would’ve looked great color on color but Texas/Oklahoma? Not enough contrast but the NCAA would have a hard time policing every game for that. Not only that, but when you’re at home you want to inflict maximum discomfort on your opposition. Why would you want them to dress like they do at home? Most of the big time programs play most of their games at home so having them in white is just another way to let them know not to get comfortable.
The NFL is different to me. I’ll admit Raiders in black and Chargers in power blue would look great, but it looks great when they’re in throwbacks, no matter who wears white. To me the white signifies being on the road, of being out of your element.
Bottom line: I’m OK with some minimal color on color but think white looks just fine on the field with an opponent in color. Good uniforms look fine eithe way, bad ones look bad either way.
#80 by Marc M. on 11.02.09 5:15 pm |
LI Phil said:
Uhhmmm, Chicago/Philly? Hardly the same in my book.
#81 by DJ on 11.02.09 5:20 pm |
For instance, I think Tennessee/Alabama would’ve looked great color on color but Texas/Oklahoma? Not enough contrast but the NCAA would have a hard time policing every game for that
The NCAA rule delegates the determination of whether color contrast is sufficient to the conference of the home team.
In the case of Independents such as Army, Navy, and Notre Dame, my guess would be that they would use the conference where they draw their football officials from (the Big East in the case of Notre Dame, for instance).
It would be very cool to see a throwback game next year at Yankee Stadium: Army in black, Notre Dame in bright green in a throwback to the 1946 0-0 tie.
#82 by LarryB on 11.02.09 5:23 pm |
RockyTopEddy said:
And didn’t Tennessee have what they called Halloween uniforms for a period in the 1960’s Or helmets maybe. I remember seeing a small amount of black
#83 by Alston Meadows on 11.02.09 5:29 pm |
http://acc.teamfansh... looks like new hoops unis for clemson
#84 by Robert on 11.02.09 6:02 pm |
DJ said:
Yes, I know the home team has the right to veto the choice, as most must be doing or we’d see more color on color. I do understand it though; if you’re the home team, you want every advantage you can get so why would you OK the other team wearing their color shirt (unless you’re USC or UCLA)?
I don’t think the ND/Army game would be able to pull of the green/black thing but maybe it would look better than I think it would. Now, if we could get a 1963 Army/Navy throwback (Midshipmen in all gold), that would be awesome.
#85 by LarryB on 11.02.09 6:07 pm |
The all light gold or whatever shade Navy wore in the early 1960’s was sharp and would be fun ot see that vs Army in black.
#86 by Joe on 11.02.09 6:27 pm |
Ricko said:
Well, it is after Labor Day…
#87 by Ricko on 11.02.09 6:30 pm |
LarryB said:
Like this?
http://farm3.static....
—Ricko
#88 by LarryB on 11.02.09 6:33 pm |
Ricko said:
Yep that is the one and look it is vs Army too
#89 by Ricko on 11.02.09 6:34 pm |
Another look at Staubach in mono gold…
http://farm3.static....
—Ricko
#90 by Ricko on 11.02.09 6:36 pm |
LarryB said:
Yessir, kinda thought that was nice.
#91 by odessa steps magazin on 11.02.09 6:42 pm |
Paul,
Did you stay at the Otesaga?
#92 by Ricko on 11.02.09 6:48 pm |
DJ said:
Well, could work…but better be sure it’s a nice bright kelly green (which the Montana team did wear, but just doesn’t show so up bright in this particular photo)
http://farm4.static....
—Ricko
#93 by Hibbsy on 11.02.09 6:51 pm |
That Reds photo from 1972 looks like they’re simply at the cleaners.
#94 by LarryB on 11.02.09 6:58 pm |
One of my early attempts at colorizing was this 1940’s Notre Dame vs Army color on color game
http://img.photobuck...
#95 by Ricko on 11.02.09 6:59 pm |
LarryB said:
Another photo from that game…
http://assets.nydail...
—Ricko
#96 by b-t-p-h on 11.02.09 7:01 pm |
leon said:
I have seen the ‘82 Championship game at least 100 times. The “blue on blue” theory was invented by Billy Packer moments after the infamous play. I have a different theory. Fred Brown choked. For the love of Jeb Barlow, please don’t call that Fred Brown, “downtown”. GO HEELS!
#97 by LarryB on 11.02.09 7:11 pm |
Ricko said:
One thing about ND that I had asked before was this. The Irish used plastic helmets in the early 1940’s for a short period but then went back to leather and may have been one of the last teams to use leather helmets. I was watching a USC ND rivalry show a few weeks ago. ND had leather helmets until around 1958 or 59.
#98 by bartusball on 11.02.09 7:18 pm |
Ricko said:
Not bad, not bad. Maybe a little too much gold. Add some white to the UCLA stripes and that’s a classic. Phil, little help here.
#99 by Ricko on 11.02.09 7:27 pm |
LarryB said:
I know they wore leather in ‘57, because I remember this game…
“Among their victories was a 7-0 shutout of Oklahoma, snapping the Sooners’ NCAA record 47-game winning streak”
and have a photo or two somewhere.
Coach Terry Brennan lasted another season, and when he was succeeded by Joe Kuharich in ‘59, the helmets were changed to plastic…and the jerseys changed to navy.
So I guess we can assume they wore leather through
the Brennan era, because I don’t recall them in plastic helmets with these green jerseys…
http://farm3.static....
Also added shoulder loops in ‘59…
http://farm4.static....
—Ricko
#100 by Ricko on 11.02.09 7:29 pm |
Photo from ND-Oklahoma ‘57 game here…
http://www.und.com/s...
—Ricko
#101 by Ricko on 11.02.09 7:30 pm |
ND-Oklahoma highlights, 1957…
http://www.youtube.c...
#102 by Ricko on 11.02.09 7:32 pm |
Army-Notre Dame, 1946, part 1…
http://www.youtube.c...
#103 by Paul Lukas on 11.02.09 7:38 pm |
odessa steps magazin said:
Nope. Stayed at my friend’s house.
#104 by LarryB on 11.02.09 7:48 pm |
http://farm3.static....
Great color picture of Hornung there Ricko.
So ND wore the leather until 1958? I wonder if they were the last major school to use leather. I read an article saying they still were not sure of the safety of plastic as to why they wore leather so long.
#105 by Ricko on 11.02.09 7:54 pm |
LarryB said:
I’m looking for something that shows ND’s ‘58 helmets.
Meanwhile, here’s Syracuse in 1958…
http://sportsillustr...
—Ricko
#106 by LarryB on 11.02.09 7:57 pm |
Funny I did find these 2 Tennessee vs Kentucky color on color clips from 1957 and 1958 last week. I was going to email them to Paul and Phil. I see they were on the side also of that ND OU clip Ricko posted.
The You Tube clips are fun because you can get lost finding others
http://www.youtube.c...
The 58 clip is pretty good quality
http://www.youtube.c...
#107 by JimV19 on 11.02.09 8:07 pm |
Ricko said:
I like it too, but it looks like something that for some reason was nominated to the worst ever list: http://blog.syracuse...
#108 by Ricko on 11.02.09 8:09 pm |
Whoa, them’re some cheerleading outfits for Kentucky (thumbnail pp. 34-34)…
http://sportsillustr...
—Ricko
#109 by JimV19 on 11.02.09 8:11 pm |
possible solution to the color vs. color discussion (I was going to say conundrum, but I don’t like alliteration):
Each school can have one or two color vs. color games. They must submit the proposal in advance. That way there aren’t as many possibilities for the higher-ups to consider. Done.
#110 by Ricko on 11.02.09 8:27 pm |
JimV19 said:
Phil has better idea, to keep them from being so frequent they lose their uniqueness. Only games at netural sites. Tennesse-Bama at Birmingham, for example. Or bowl games.
Just a thought.
—Ricko
#111 by LI Phil on 11.02.09 8:35 pm |
cliff lee appears to be missing his squatchee
/apparently this is not new news
#112 by JimV19 on 11.02.09 8:43 pm |
Ricko said:
I’d go with that, except for the fact that you just eliminated USC/UCLA or USC/ND. How’s about one every other year?
#113 by JimV19 on 11.02.09 8:46 pm |
JimV19 said:
ND would be in green, in this case.
#114 by Paul Lukas on 11.02.09 8:48 pm |
Ricko said:
Indeed:
http://farm3.static....
#115 by JimV19 on 11.02.09 8:56 pm |
LI Phil said:
There’s no button on top of his cap, either…
#116 by Ricko on 11.02.09 9:03 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
“Here in Kentucky we don’t believe our young women should be exposin’ their limbs in public.”
#117 by Stuby on 11.02.09 9:29 pm |
Robinson Cano appeared to have a Pedro Porthole goin’ on.
#118 by Dave Grob on 11.02.09 9:35 pm |
The c 1969 Reds Bernie Stowe picture is more likely from 1967. Notice the home uniform has pinstripes. 1966 was the last year of the pinstripe vests for the Reds. 1967 was a one year style of pinstriped sleeved home jerseys manufactured by MacGrgeor. 1968 Reds home jerseys are a non-pinstriped style manufactured by Rawlings. Gary Nolan was with the Reds in 1967
#119 by Don't be a douche on 11.02.09 9:57 pm |
PULLED THIS FROM YESTERDAY:
Boots said:
Because black tape / strappings were used back in the day.
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