Comments on: Can You Bring a Guillotine onto the Ice? http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/ The Obsessive Study Of Athletics Aesthetics Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:58:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=7306 By: Gusto44 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351743 Gusto44 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:54:28 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351743 [quote comment="351298"]Gusto, I know you already took your ball and went home, but aren't you the same guy who was calling the Pirates a "storied franchise" and citing their 5 World Series championships as evidence? 5 championships in the World Series era is an average of once every 21 years or so. 4 Stanley Cups in the Rangers' 83 seasons is...?[/quote] Well, for starters, it's much more impressive since only three other franchises in baseball history have won more titles. I already made that point before....... [quote comment="351298"]Gusto,

I know you already took your ball and went home, but aren’t you the same guy who was calling the Pirates a “storied franchise” and citing their 5 World Series championships as evidence?

5 championships in the World Series era is an average of once every 21 years or so. 4 Stanley Cups in the Rangers’ 83 seasons is…?[/quote]

Well, for starters, it’s much more impressive since only three other franchises in baseball history have won more titles. I already made that point before…….

]]> By: Sportscrack http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351402 Sportscrack Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:56:30 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351402 Dear Uniwatch Nation: As owner of Sportscrack.com I would like to stand up for myself on these shirts we are talking about. The shirts are meant to be funny. Yes, they can be seen offensive to some people and for this I apologize. We went out of our way to accommodate to Paul's wishes to make a separate store page without some of the shirts on there he found offensive. Unfortunately that didn't work out either. In no way do any of our shirts say "Kill The Homos" like Paul was referring to. They are meant to be a play of words that fans use on their arch rival. For instance our Ann Arbor is a Whore shirt and FUSC shirt. Those should be considered offensive by some people but I guess that is the point: we aren't targeting gay people specifically. Trust me there are a lot more offensive t shirts out there then Gaytors or Oklahomo. In 4 years of business we had one complaint and that was from a Uniwatch reader. He went to Paul and complained and said we were being homophobic and hateful. I told him the shirts are meant to be in good humor. We do not condone violence against anybody. But in the end the PC police won out. I thank Paul for letting us advertise on this wonderful blog and wish him the best of luck. Hopefully sometime in the future we can work together. Sincerely, Matt Fairchild Sportscrack.com Drinklikeachampiontoday.com Dear Uniwatch Nation:

As owner of Sportscrack.com I would like to stand up for myself on these shirts we are talking about. The shirts are meant to be funny. Yes, they can be seen offensive to some people and for this I apologize. We went out of our way to accommodate to Paul’s wishes to make a separate store page without some of the shirts on there he found offensive. Unfortunately that didn’t work out either. In no way do any of our shirts say “Kill The Homos” like Paul was referring to. They are meant to be a play of words that fans use on their arch rival. For instance our Ann Arbor is a Whore shirt and FUSC shirt. Those should be considered offensive by some people but I guess that is the point: we aren’t targeting gay people specifically. Trust me there are a lot more offensive t shirts out there then Gaytors or Oklahomo.

In 4 years of business we had one complaint and that was from a Uniwatch reader. He went to Paul and complained and said we were being homophobic and hateful. I told him the shirts are meant to be in good humor. We do not condone violence against anybody. But in the end the PC police won out.

I thank Paul for letting us advertise on this wonderful blog and wish him the best of luck. Hopefully sometime in the future we can work together.

Sincerely,

Matt Fairchild
Sportscrack.com
Drinklikeachampiontoday.com

]]> By: lukejameslarson http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351361 lukejameslarson Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:13:21 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351361 <a>jeeze. youd think that if bronson arroyo was going to put pine tar on his underbrim, he'd at least wear a new black 5950.</a> jeeze. youd think that if bronson arroyo was going to put pine tar on his underbrim, he’d at least wear a new black 5950.

]]> By: Teebz http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351327 Teebz Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:52:34 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351327 [quote comment="351300"]The Houston Aeros wore diagonal lettering for their entire existence, and won two WHA championships. And how do we even know the Rangers were the first team to wear diagonal lettering? Maybe they ripped it off of some Canadian or college team. If they weren't the first, then they no more have an exclusive on it than the Detroit Tigers do on Old English monograms. Nor do the NFL Rams have a monopoly on curving rams' horns (copied by a couple of college teams).[/quote] Find me a team that has (a) worn it for more than 83 years, and (b) worn it before 1926, and you got yourself a deal. [quote comment="351300"]The Houston Aeros wore diagonal lettering for their entire existence, and won two WHA championships.

And how do we even know the Rangers were the first team to wear diagonal lettering? Maybe they ripped it off of some Canadian or college team. If they weren’t the first, then they no more have an exclusive on it than the Detroit Tigers do on Old English monograms. Nor do the NFL Rams have a monopoly on curving rams’ horns (copied by a couple of college teams).[/quote]

Find me a team that has (a) worn it for more than 83 years, and (b) worn it before 1926, and you got yourself a deal.

]]> By: EddieAtari http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351301 EddieAtari Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:36:57 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351301 Hey Paul, sorry you caught flack for being a socially responsible capitalist... These things happen... We need more good ironic sports T-shirts that aren't so smug or offensive anyway... Hey Paul, sorry you caught flack for being a socially responsible capitalist… These things happen… We need more good ironic sports T-shirts that aren’t so smug or offensive anyway…

]]> By: super390 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351300 super390 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:26:10 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351300 The Houston Aeros wore diagonal lettering for their entire existence, and won two WHA championships. And how do we even know the Rangers were the first team to wear diagonal lettering? Maybe they ripped it off of some Canadian or college team. If they weren't the first, then they no more have an exclusive on it than the Detroit Tigers do on Old English monograms. Nor do the NFL Rams have a monopoly on curving rams' horns (copied by a couple of college teams). The Houston Aeros wore diagonal lettering for their entire existence, and won two WHA championships.

And how do we even know the Rangers were the first team to wear diagonal lettering? Maybe they ripped it off of some Canadian or college team. If they weren’t the first, then they no more have an exclusive on it than the Detroit Tigers do on Old English monograms. Nor do the NFL Rams have a monopoly on curving rams’ horns (copied by a couple of college teams).

]]> By: EddieAtari http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351299 EddieAtari Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:19:19 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351299 Hey Paul, sorry you caught flack for being a socially responsible capitalist... These things happen... we need more good ironic sports T-shirts so smug and offensive... My $0.02... Hey Paul, sorry you caught flack for being a socially responsible capitalist… These things happen… we need more good ironic sports T-shirts so smug and offensive… My $0.02…

]]> By: JTH http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351298 JTH Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:51:45 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351298 Gusto, I know you already took your ball and went home, but aren't you the same guy who was calling the Pirates a "storied franchise" and citing their 5 World Series championships as evidence? 5 championships in the World Series era is an average of once every 21 years or so. 4 Stanley Cups in the Rangers' 83 seasons is...? Gusto,

I know you already took your ball and went home, but aren’t you the same guy who was calling the Pirates a “storied franchise” and citing their 5 World Series championships as evidence?

5 championships in the World Series era is an average of once every 21 years or so. 4 Stanley Cups in the Rangers’ 83 seasons is…?

]]> By: Teebz http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351297 Teebz Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:36:12 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351297 [quote comment="351295"] Yes, the Wings, Habs, and Leafs did some tinkering with their unis, but never abandoned their look for two entire seasons. If the Rangers had such an iconic look, the ownership during the John Ferguson era would have certainly stepped in and prevented the change. Of course they did not, but as too often in Rangers history, a GM was looking for a winning formula. In this case, ownership thought so little of the regular uniform they let the change stand for not one, but two seasons. I will agree with your statement about diagonal lettering being associated with the New York Rangers. But it's not iconic like the Wings or Habs logo, because of the lack of overall success. There's no excuse for only two Cups since 1950, anyway you slice it. And I don't know of any homegrown Rangers on the short list of greatest players of all time. That's significant. If the Rangers were anywhere near the franchise of the Wings, I think you'd see fewer teams sporting the diagonal look. I'm signing off, and won't be checking today's posts anymore. Good night, all.[/quote] The Habs wore four different uniforms last season, and will wear two more this season. And their logo has changed significantly since they started. But they didn't tinker. The Leafs were green until they changed to the traditional blue-and-white. Oh yeah, they were also called the St. Pats while wearing green from 1919 until 1927. They also changed from the traditional logo in 1967 to the current 16-point Maple Leaf. But that wasn't a major change whatsoever. The Blackhawks have one Stanley Cup since 1950, yet they have an iconic look. The Bruins have two since 1950, yet they have an iconic look. But the Rangers don't? Would the Rangers not be close to or equal in their success as those other two Original Six teams? As for homegrown players, I suppose that Mike Richter and Brian Leetch - two American-born players none-the-less - had no success. They were both fairly essential in winning that 1994 Stanley Cup, Leetch was the Conn Smythe Trophy winner,the first American-born player to capture the honour, that year, yet the Rangers haven't produced any homegrown talent. Strange. [quote comment="351295"]
Yes, the Wings, Habs, and Leafs did some tinkering with their unis, but never abandoned their look for two entire seasons. If the Rangers had such an iconic look, the ownership during the John Ferguson era would have certainly stepped in and prevented the change. Of course they did not, but as too often in Rangers history, a GM was looking for a winning formula. In this case, ownership thought so little of the regular uniform they let the change stand for not one, but two seasons.
I will agree with your statement about diagonal lettering being associated with the New York Rangers. But it’s not iconic like the Wings or Habs logo, because of the lack of overall success. There’s no excuse for only two Cups since 1950, anyway you slice it. And I don’t know of any homegrown Rangers on the short list of greatest players of all time. That’s significant. If the Rangers were anywhere near the franchise of the Wings, I think you’d see fewer teams sporting the diagonal look.
I’m signing off, and won’t be checking today’s posts anymore. Good night, all.[/quote]

The Habs wore four different uniforms last season, and will wear two more this season. And their logo has changed significantly since they started. But they didn’t tinker.

The Leafs were green until they changed to the traditional blue-and-white. Oh yeah, they were also called the St. Pats while wearing green from 1919 until 1927. They also changed from the traditional logo in 1967 to the current 16-point Maple Leaf. But that wasn’t a major change whatsoever.

The Blackhawks have one Stanley Cup since 1950, yet they have an iconic look. The Bruins have two since 1950, yet they have an iconic look. But the Rangers don’t? Would the Rangers not be close to or equal in their success as those other two Original Six teams?

As for homegrown players, I suppose that Mike Richter and Brian Leetch – two American-born players none-the-less – had no success. They were both fairly essential in winning that 1994 Stanley Cup, Leetch was the Conn Smythe Trophy winner,the first American-born player to capture the honour, that year, yet the Rangers haven’t produced any homegrown talent. Strange.

]]> By: Paul Lukas http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351296 Paul Lukas Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:31:25 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/09/30/can-you-bring-a-guillotine-onto-the-ice/#comment-351296 [quote comment="351284"]Speaking of offensive shirts, what's the deal with the Jewboys shirt on No Mas? I can't believe you would approve that one and get mad at a shirt that calls the Giants Ginas! Oh wait, you are a NY fan, makes sense. Got to love your loyalty Paul.[/quote] I tried to explain to this guy, privately, that the Jewboys shirt is a PRO-Jewish statement. But, of course, he's hiding behind a phony email address. Someone please explain to him that No Mas is run by a guy named Isenberg.... I swear, some people are so fucking clueless.... [quote comment="351284"]Speaking of offensive shirts, what’s the deal with the Jewboys shirt on No Mas?

I can’t believe you would approve that one and get mad at a shirt that calls the Giants Ginas!

Oh wait, you are a NY fan, makes sense. Got to love your loyalty Paul.[/quote]

I tried to explain to this guy, privately, that the Jewboys shirt is a PRO-Jewish statement. But, of course, he’s hiding behind a phony email address.
Someone please explain to him that No Mas is run by a guy named Isenberg…. I swear, some people are so fucking clueless….

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