Two days ago I Ticker-linked to this photo of a Wisconsin high school football player and asked, “Is this where football sock design is headed?”
I got a much more thorough answer than I’d anticipated from reader Jeff Bahry, who informed me that the socks are actually leg sleeves with elastic stirrup loops. “The fabric is comparable to higher-end polyester — not cotton,” he wrote. “They also feature a silicon band to
prevent slipping.”
The company behind this is a Wisconsin operation called Dye Sport, which specializes in sublimated graphics. If you click on “Team Sports” and then start poking around from there, you can get an idea of what they’re about — basically, if you have really bad taste some innovative design ideas, they’ll indulge you as far as you want to go.
The socks aren’t mentioned on the Dye Sport site, however, so I gave them a call and found myself talking to company founder Scott Yeomans. Here’s how our chat went down:
Uni Watch: So what’s the story with these socks? I’ve never seen anything like them.
Scott Yeomans: We developed that about four years ago. We test-marketed it on one Wisconsin high school — Lancaster — to see how it performed, how the kids liked it, blah-blah-blah. And they ended up winning the state championship in it. And from there, things really started exploding. And actually, the Lancaster coach told us they didn’t have any kids cramping up with calf cramps that season. Is it the socks, is it that the kids were in better condition or better hydrated? I can’t say it’s definitely the socks…
UW: What was the design that you did for them?
SY: I’m trying to remember. I remember how we were watching the state tournament on TV and the commentators and the camera kept focusing on the socks. “Look at those socks!” I think we had a gradient — white down at the shoe and fading up to royal blue — with an arrow design.
UW: And how many teams are wearing the socks now?
SY: Last year we had 30 teams here in Wisconsin. This year it’s close to 50, plus we have a team in Michigan wearing them. And we have a dealer now in Arizona — I just shipped him 70 pairs for a youth soccer team. And we have our own boys’ and girls’ soccer teams wearing them here in town — they’re just lovin’ ’em. So we’re gonna expand more into soccer, girls’ softball. And getting back to football, last year we had six Wisconsin teams wearing our socks in the state tournament, and two of them won their divisions, so we’re getting a lot of good exposure.
UW: Since these socks are open at the bottom, does the player wear an ankle sock under it or what?
SY: Some of ’em wear a full-length sock underneath; some of ’em wear a little ankle or no-show sock. It’s personal preference. But you have that stirrup strap to pull it down into the shoe, so it looks like a full sock.
UW: Why’d you choose to make it that way, instead of making a traditional sock with a toe?
SY: It’s less bulky, and it lasts longer. If a sock develops a tear or wears out, it’s usually in the toe.
UW: And again, just to make sure I understand, you developed this product yourself, and you offer it exclusively?
SY: Yes.
UW: Has there been any negative feedback from people who think these designs are too radical or whatever?
SY: No. You have your old-school coaches, but you have more and more younger coaches, and they seem to like the socks a little more cutting-edge.
UW: And, of course, you can offer this product in a conservative design too — it doesn’t make any difference to you.
SY: Right. If they just want a solid red sock, that’s fine. Most of them, though, they’ll put the helmet logo on the side, or the school logo.
So there you have it, the beginning of the end for football hosiery as we know it, all thanks to my favorite state, which I will henceforth refer to as Hades, the end.
And speaking of sock-related follow-up items: Back on Monday I asked about the sock logo that Maurice Stovall has been wearing. Turns out it’s the logo for a brand of compression gear I’d never heard of before: Sweat It Out. The bad news is that I just played into their hands by giving them free publicity; the good news, I hope, is that some of the NFL’s uni police guys read this site and will now start cracking down on this pernicious logo creep.
Gazoo Boo-Boos Up the Wazoo: I really messed up the part of yesterday’s ESPN column that pertained to the new S100 batting helmet. As originally published around noontime, the column stated that only three players had worn the helmet in a game: David Wright, Ryan Dempster, and Shane Victorino. But then, shortly after the column went live, Guy Serumgard informed me that Carlos Guillen wore the S100 on Sept. 3rd (apparently this was even noted at some point in the comments section on this site, but I either didn’t notice or didn’t remember), so we added a little “Update” graf to that section of the column. That was shortly before 2pm.
Then I went out and didn’t get back to a computer until about 9pm, at which point I found several e-mails from people telling me that Edgar Gonzalez had also worn the S100. Too late to add another update to the column — I’ll just run a correction in my next ESPN piece.
Not sure how I missed the boat so badly on this — I thought I’d been keeping track of the S100 situation. Interestingly, when I interviewed Rawlings exec Mike Thompson for yesterday’s column, the very first question I asked him was, “Just to make sure I have my facts straight, to my knowledge only Dempster, Wright, and Victorino have worn the new helmet — is that right?” He replied, “Yes.” Of course, it’s not his job to keep track of that — it’s mine — so that doesn’t absolve me. If anything, it’s another reminder that I need to do my own homework and not depend on others to confirm things for me.
Anyway: Let the record show that five MLBers have worn the S100 — unless you know of any others who’ve done so.
Research Query: Got a note yesterday from Matt DeLeon, who poses a very good question: “I was wondering if you knew the history of the ‘Property of’ T-shirts. Were there shirts that were actually the ‘property of’ certain teams? I would assume so, although a T-shirt would seem to be something worth giving away after a few uses. How far back do these shirts go, and what’s the history behind them?”
Excellent question! Anyone out there know anything about this? If so, give me a shout.
“Turntable? What’s a turntable?”: I’ve put a few more old indie-rock 45s up for auction on eBay, and I’ll continue to add more over the next couple of weeks. You can keep track of everything I’m selling here.
Uni Watch News Ticker: LSU will be wearing purple jerseys this Saturday against Mississippi State. “This is unusual because they generally only wear purple at home for non-conference opponents — this is a conference game on the road,” notes Ben Melancon. … New mask for Yann Danis. … The Swedish military has some uni issues (with thanks to Chad Todd). … Is it OK to wear ONOB is the jersey is given to you by the team? (Nice find by John Brooks.) … There’s a resurgence in sales of Expos gear, and it’s coming from an unlikely source (with thanks to Graham Bakay). … Jon Canella notes that Pedro Feliz always has a line of dirt on the back of his road jersey. “I’ve been noticing it since the end of May,” he says. “Superstitious? Not a good enough stain remover by the clubhouse attendant?” And before you propose any theories of your own, remember it only happens on Feliz’s road jersey. Weird. … A few months ago I got some e-mails from a Milwaukee marketing exec who wanted to redesign the Packers’ logo. I didn’t post his designs, because (a) I didn’t think they were very good, and (b) the Packers obviously aren’t going to change their mark. But I guess it was a slow news day at the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal.
#1 by Ricko on 09.25.09 8:25 am |
Note to Milwaukee Marketing Executive:
No, see, if you create a new logo for a client it should be BETTER than its predecessor.
—Ricko
#2 by Stuby on 09.25.09 8:25 am |
Strange, Paul, but the Sweat It Out logo looks a lot like the little icon next to your latest musical offerings on ebay. BTW, the title of the Liz Phair single is spelled incorrectly.
#3 by Paul Lukas on 09.25.09 8:28 am |
Stuby said:
Yikes! Thank you!!
#4 by Todd on 09.25.09 8:39 am |
my God, that Green Bay logo is terrible!
#5 by Randy Rollyson on 09.25.09 8:43 am |
Feliz probably has that line because of pine tar on his bat. When he streches in the on deck circle, he probably puts his bat behind his shoulders. Just my theory.
#6 by leon on 09.25.09 8:44 am |
Interesting choice of shoe manufacturer to display the support-hose football stockings. BTW, they didn’t appear “sublimated” in that display. They could be read from the last row of the stands.
#7 by Paul Lukas on 09.25.09 8:50 am |
Randy Rollyson said:
Yes, but why only on the road?
#8 by Rick on 09.25.09 8:54 am |
My god was that Packers wanna be just crap or what?
#9 by Randy Rollyson on 09.25.09 8:55 am |
Wonder if the road jersey is the regular material or Cool Base and if there is possibly a problem with using a stronger cleaner on the Cool Base jerseys? Don’t know. Seems odd that it isn’t on the home jersey, as well.
#10 by SpfldNate on 09.25.09 8:59 am |
Can’t explain why it might be only the road jersey, but it’s got to be pine tar. We’ve this kind of thing on Julio Lugo before (best pic I could find, sorry). I know Kevin Youkilis has had this “issue” before.
Strange it might be only on the road jersey. No photo evidence of it on the home jersey at all?
#11 by The Jeff on 09.25.09 9:00 am |
That guy does sorta have a point with using a GB instead of just a G…. but, yeah, his logos kinda suck. I think the Packers have been using the G logo for so long now that you pretty much can’t change it, regardless, especially with them being community owned.
…and I kinda hope those socks don’t make it to the NFL – or if they do, that teams at least don’t use all the silly gradients. A solid color with a logo I don’t mind too much. Multi-colored gradients? Ugh.
#12 by Bob on 09.25.09 9:00 am |
LSU will be wearing purple jerseys this Saturday against Mississippi State. “This is unusual because they generally only wear purple at home for non-conference opponents — this is a conference game on the road,”
It is unusual, but it happened on LSU\’s last visit to Miss. State two years ago. That was a Thursday night opener in August. What\’s interesting, though, is that State\’s insistence on LSU wearing purple with a different head coach than it had two years ago. Most quirks like this involve the same head coach.
#13 by Brian R. on 09.25.09 9:02 am |
The smir on Pedro Feliz’s jersey is from the pine tar; I’ve noticed a few Orioles and Red Sox players have the “line” on their jerseys as well as their the two teams I follow.
Here’s a picture with the Phillies where you can see Feliz in his home white’s with the smir too…
http://blog.pennlive...
And here’s a picture when he was with the Gigantes in his home whites…
http://farm2.static....
#14 by Brian R. on 09.25.09 9:04 am |
#15 by don g on 09.25.09 9:06 am |
Two things:
1) In the Feliz photo linked in the article, it looks like a giant Ryan Howard is blocking his way into the dugout. Weirdest screenshot ever
2) LSU needs to wear those sweet white helmets when they wear the purple jerseys…I’m just sayin’
#16 by Stuby on 09.25.09 9:07 am |
You can sort of see the smudge on his home alt jersey here…
http://blog.pennlive...
#17 by RedWing in Colorado on 09.25.09 9:08 am |
I know I’ll be in the minority here, but I like the socks. The sublimation, especially. I’m not in love with the gradiations of color, I think it’s kind of amateur hour looking, but then again, these are high schoolers. It could be worse, they could be crying clowns .
#18 by ScottyM on 09.25.09 9:10 am |
… a VERY slow news day in Milwaukee.
What an atrocious story, not worthy of newsprint.
So, does every kid who’s ever scribbled logos deserve such coverage? Then why does some adult?
I won’t even get into the merit of his designs … because they’re below par … but the fact that the paper covered it? Pathetic.
#19 by BJ on 09.25.09 9:11 am |
All I’m saying is that if the packers entertain that logo, they’d have some serious ’splainin to do to a certain German auto conglomerate. Is it me or did that dude just add a curve to the following mark?
http://www.arcade-ex...
If so, pathetic to the highest degree.
#20 by Joe Hilseberg on 09.25.09 9:11 am |
Ricko said:
I feel bad for his firm…they just lost all of their clients.
What an awful idea/logo. And someone please take away Photoshop from people who use bevel and emboss filters on their logos. Ughhh
#21 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 9:17 am |
Ricko said:
what he did was sorta like this
only that was a april fool’s gag
#22 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 9:17 am |
Ricko said:
Yes, this new proposed design is quite gay, even that matador yesterday would agree. Would like to see the “G” placed on either the jersey or pants, and have the Packers introduce green pants with yellow/white stripes.
LSU should adopt purple pants, and use a yellow jersey from time to time.
Those hip hop people do enjoy wearing sports jerseys of teams and players they’ve never heard of, along with tilting of the hat to the wrong side. It’s really funny, but even more hilarious when white people try dressing that way. So glad I’m not 18 years old anymore growing up in this culture.
#23 by Randy Rollyson on 09.25.09 9:19 am |
I figure if anyone looks enough that the stain will be found on the home whites, too.
#24 by ATLShaun on 09.25.09 9:23 am |
Re: Feliz stain… since we see its now on home and road, its probably the pine tar from his follow through when he swings. Martin Prado has two stains on his jersey, one on his shoulder where he taps the bat, and the other on the back of his shoulder from his follow through.
#25 by teamcinnamon on 09.25.09 9:28 am |
Never noticed it on the home jersey, only the away in varying degrees of “depth of stain”.
#26 by JTH on 09.25.09 9:28 am |
LI Phil said:
I’m thinking that this may have been his inspiration.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So since his e-mail address was published, what’s the over/under on the number of hate mails that he’s gotten so far?
#27 by JTH on 09.25.09 9:31 am |
Oops. I quoted the wrong comment. I meant that as a follow-up to the Bugatti one. (Incidentally, not a German company. They’re headquartered in France.)
#28 by diggerjohn111 on 09.25.09 9:36 am |
WOW! What was that Wisconsin graphic designer on the day he thought up that one? It looks like something one of G.I. Joe’s enemy armies would wear. That is without a doubt the ugliest logo I have ever seen. It makes the “Buffaslug” look logical. Go Joe!
#29 by Brian on 09.25.09 9:39 am |
Gusto44 said:
It’s not all of us dressing like that! Some of us still try to act like a normal person.
Well, as normal as a person can be when they daily check a blog devoted to sports uniforms and logos.
#30 by BJ on 09.25.09 9:40 am |
JTH said:
Technicalities my man…Bugatti is owned by VW (as is Lamborghini, and a host of other brands not of German origin). But you are correct. They are French.
Still a crappy logo from that guy.
http://en.wikipedia....
http://en.wikipedia.....
#31 by Patrick on 09.25.09 9:42 am |
This may have been brought up here before, but has No Mas thought about doing a “I Still Call it Enron” shirt for Houston? I’d buy that.
#32 by Ricko on 09.25.09 9:48 am |
“Leg sleeves”, huh. Can I get ‘em argyle?
Well now, those also serve to illustrate (as someone mentioned) what could be one down side of the compression shirt sleeve-stripes idea. Some team might start wearing tie-dyed sleeves (or socks), or “gradiant tones”, or paisley.
Or, y’know…plaid
(wouldn’t be all bad if they were the “Highlanders”, I suppose).
—Ricko
#33 by Blue on 09.25.09 9:50 am |
RE: The Wisconsin interview:
It reminded me that particularly Wisconsin is a breeding ground for this type of uni expression especially at the high school level, where the entrepreneurial fervor of the entire state seems focused on the 14-18 year old demographic. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such energy around outfitting high school athletes with stuff of this ilk anywhere else. Note the emphasis on ilk. Of course, I have no secondary sources to back up my assertion.
#34 by Ricko on 09.25.09 9:51 am |
Quick, somebody mock up Tennessee in leg sleeves that look like their endzones!
I gotta see that.
Well, on second thought, maybe I don’t.
#35 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 9:52 am |
Congrats to the USC Gamecocks and there totally hip unis for dodging that 4th quarter McCluster fuck. Getting their first win in quite sometime against a top 5 team. I still can’t figure out why those garnet color helmet stripes look almost silverish at times? Reflection properties of the decal?
#36 by Pete on 09.25.09 9:56 am |
Regarding the “property of” shirts:
It was custom for the athletic department to run a laundry for the athletic teams. Athletes would come into the gym, get issued everything from socks to jocks. The t-shirts would have “property of” stamped on them to prevent loss. Eventually, they became more valuable with the school/team name on them.
#37 by Hott Rodd on 09.25.09 9:59 am |
Hott Rodd said:
Somebody needs to get the man a blackberry, then he can NEVER miss out. (and no more gone fishin’s either)
#38 by kevin on 09.25.09 10:03 am |
I have always though that the Sprecher Beer Logo he developed is what needs changing. Maybe I should run some designs by a few writers at the Journal.
#39 by Ricko on 09.25.09 10:03 am |
Pete said:
This is strictly a general recollection, but it seems to me teams began marketing the “PROPERTY OF…” shirts in about the early 70’s. Prior to that, if you had one, it had been stolen. LOL
—Ricko
#40 by JTH on 09.25.09 10:04 am |
BJ said:
Didn’t realize they’re a VW subsidiary. OK, so I guess they’re a German company in the same sense that Volvo’s an American one.
Those logos do indeed suck.
#41 by JTH on 09.25.09 10:08 am |
ScottyM said:
This sounds an awful lot like some of the comments that are posted for Paul’s Page 2 pieces.
Y’know, the ones like this:
JTH said:
And that’s one of the kinder ones.
#42 by We Got Ns In The Backfield on 09.25.09 10:09 am |
I have been patiently waiting for a “I still call it Enron” shirt as well…
#43 by Namhob on 09.25.09 10:09 am |
Ricko said:
It looks like he’s trying to fit 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lbs bag. If that’s the case, here’s my suggestion for Grambling if they ever decide to change their logo.
http://i400.photobuc...
#44 by leon on 09.25.09 10:10 am |
M.Princip said:
Yes, the cocks were spurrier than ole miss!
#45 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 10:12 am |
M.Princip said:
mike,
you are aware the cocks went mono last night, right?
cuz you linked to a white pants photo…and that outfit, despite being made by UA, and having OMBS, is pretty nice…the mono…not so much
#46 by Frosty on 09.25.09 10:16 am |
As a Wisconsin native and a forever homer, I can only apologize to each and every one of you for the state’s dual embarrassment of today’s column.
Please do not allow these to overshadow the many things that the state still lends to this great country.
Forward!
Frosty
#47 by leon on 09.25.09 10:18 am |
Forward!
Frosty
Don’t you mean “On”?
:)
#48 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 10:18 am |
LI Phil said:
True true. Just props to their uniform in general.
#49 by We Got Ns In The Backfield on 09.25.09 10:24 am |
Granted, the proposed change for the Packers is pretty lame, but it probably is about time for the Packers to change their uniforms.
They suffer from the same problem as the Bears and Browns where they try to pull off a “traditional” look but it just comes across as looking silly with the modern fabrics.
#50 by Scott B on 09.25.09 10:26 am |
BJ said:
I thought the same thing as soon as I saw it.
#51 by JTH on 09.25.09 10:27 am |
We Got Ns In The Backfield said:
Silly?
#52 by Ricko on 09.25.09 10:29 am |
We Got Ns In The Backfield said:
And how is that more offensive than the the newer uniforms that come across as looking silly with the modern fabrics?
Just sayin’, if you say things like that, you can’t ever level a “You just want everyone to look the same” criticism at someone. Because basically that’s what you just said.
—Ricko
#53 by Hank on 09.25.09 10:30 am |
Amazing paint job on Yann Danis’ mask. It looks like . . . Yann Danis.
Hmmm. Back in the day of the full goalie mask, wonder if anyone ever thought of having their actual likeness painted on the mask?
#54 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 10:30 am |
JTH said:
did you see ricko’s solution?
if you didn’t, take a look…if you did…and you still think it’s “silly,” might you have an alternate suggestion?
#55 by TMD on 09.25.09 10:33 am |
I think that this was really his idea… and it came out about as well.
http://www.esks.com/
#56 by TMD on 09.25.09 10:36 am |
With the socks, I really wouldn’t be that surprised to see them start popping up in the NCAA in the near future. I’m kind of surprised that Oregon hasn’t already used them because it’s a great “recruiting tool”.
I know I picked my college based on the socks.
#57 by JessinMKE on 09.25.09 10:36 am |
Ricko said:
Ricko pretty much said it best. I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw that article. A slow news day indeed.
I too would like to apologize on behalf of the great state of Wisconsin.
P.S – Re comment #49 – The Packers in no way need a uni upgrade, Their football uniforms resemble, well, football uniforms. Unlike say the Broncos or Vikings…
#58 by Hank on 09.25.09 10:37 am |
SpfldNate said:
If you look closely at this shot of Feliz’ home alt jersey, you can see a mark near his left shoulder next to the letter “F”. http://blog.pennlive...
#59 by fred on 09.25.09 10:38 am |
Ricko – Here’s a quick and dirty version of the Tennessee Leg Sleeves:
http://s39.photobuck...
#60 by Ray Barrington on 09.25.09 10:39 am |
As the guy who sent in the original sock photo, may I start a pool on which college and NFL teams will pick it up first?
College – Oregon or Florida A&M
Pro – Jacksonville or Dallas.
#61 by Hank on 09.25.09 10:40 am |
Why mess with the Packers’ logo? It is iconic to sports and the NFL. Like taking the Yankees NY and morphing it into who-knows-what? Again, just because you can do it, doesn’t mean you should.
#62 by Frosty on 09.25.09 10:41 am |
leon said:
No actually…the motto for the state of Wisconsin is in fact “Forward”.
Has it ever been more necessary than today?
This shit happens when you drink as much as we do though…
F
#63 by We Got Ns In The Backfield on 09.25.09 10:44 am |
OK. Silly might not be the right word (and of course I saw Ricko’s solution – do you think I would miss a day of UniWatch?)
I think the Bears are the worst – and the problem is the shiny pants. The actual uniforms don’t look bad – they are tons better than the crazy modern ones like the Falcons and Vikings, but people look at them as traditional as if they are the same uniforms Gale Sayers or Forrest Gregg wore and they aren’t the same because of the shiny pants and lack of sleeves.
I just don’t like it.
My suggestion would be to use a duller fabric for the pants and to redesign the jerseys to not try to force traditional stripes where they just don’t work anymore.
Actually, if I ruled the world I would force the NFL to get rid of the tight cut jerseys and have all teams with sleeves.
#64 by George Ciervo on 09.25.09 10:45 am |
Heh – Johns Hopkins? Really??
(went to JHU)
#65 by Brian Erni on 09.25.09 10:45 am |
creepy on the Expos article because last night, i JUST bought an ‘Spos hat at my local Lids. I wish I had gotten one from Distant Replays before they packed it in, so I’m stuck with a white New Era logo on the side on my Expos hat, but still, a strange coincidence nevertheless.
#66 by Piping Mike on 09.25.09 10:49 am |
Paul Lukas said:
As others have since noted, the stain does also appear on the home jersey, but just lightly. The difference between the home & road stains can easily be explained by who does the laundry. At home it would be the home clubbies and I imagine they put forth a little more effort getting stains out. On the road the other team does the laundry and they probably just throw the stuff in the washer without much, or any, pretreating.
#67 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 10:49 am |
This is simply a “yes or no” question, not an invitation to another political discussion:
Doesn’t this http://media.jsonlin...*132/mjs-stincol25_002-mjd_-news_-mjs.jpg look like a jammed-together version of this logo (found in the lower right corner)? http://www.rushlimba...
#68 by JTH on 09.25.09 10:50 am |
We Got Ns In The Backfield said:
You talking about the blue pants they only wear in the preseason anymore? Or are the white ones too shiny for your tastes as well?
#69 by leon on 09.25.09 10:52 am |
Frosty said:
Sorry, I was thinking of the fight song.
Also not from Wisconsin, which places me in a minority status here.
But I have learned something today.
(Now I’ve got to try and figure out what command to click on to send an e-mail I’ve received to someone else).
So much to learn, so little time.
:)
#70 by JohnnyO on 09.25.09 10:53 am |
I would like to echo Frosty and say that I am embarrassed to live in the same state as that designer who is trying to change one of the most iconic logos in sports history. If the Packers were to change ANYTHING at all about their logo or uniform, they should go back to this logo:
http://www.4thandgoa...
And to Paul… come to Wisconsin, and I will buy you some cheese curds, a butter burger, and a tall glass of frosty Wisconsin beer in exchange for not thinking of the Badger State as “Hades” anymore. Deal?
#71 by We Got Ns In The Backfield on 09.25.09 10:54 am |
The Bears whites are way too shiny. Actually, the only shiny pants in the league should be the silver and gold ones. The Giants pull of non-shiny pants, so it should be possible for the rest of the teams to get non-shiny pants as well.
The only non-gold/silver shiny pants that actually look decent are the Dolphins’ aqua pants.
#72 by leon on 09.25.09 10:56 am |
Forrest Gregg played for the Bears?
#73 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 10:58 am |
Those leg sleeves…where have we seen those before?
http://www.walkmoree...
Actually, it’s not a bad idea. It’s just a fancy stirrup. And if you’ve seen some of the bland high school unis I’ve seen, especially the monochrome ones, this might help. Of course I don’t want the designs to go overboard…although those checkerboard and argyle patterns y’all have mentioned might work…
#74 by leon on 09.25.09 10:58 am |
fred said:
Beautiful job.
I think the Croatian soccer team ought to bust something similar. (I think they call it Czecherboard over there).
#75 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 11:01 am |
JTH said:
it’s not just the bears…most of the teams like teh shiny
while i detest this look, i’ve always liked matte finish of the pants, which actually replaced the shiny pants of the last iteration of unis
the sheen makes a big difference…on bright days it looks awful, but at night and under cloudy days, it’s not so bad
#76 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 11:03 am |
The Packers already have a better logo for their helmets:
http://www.hataday.c...
I would love to see that instead of the G, but they have a good thing going, so I wouldn’t mess with it.
#77 by Ricko on 09.25.09 11:04 am |
We Got Ns In The Backfield said:
Ah, with regard to fabrics, yes, we agree.
Shiny jerseys and pants and sparkly helmets work with the newer designs. Well, kinda.
Look absolutely dopey with the more traditional styles, though.
Now, as to the CUT of today’s jerseys, we agree, too. My whole comp sleeve stripes thing was based on, “Well, since we can’t change the muscle shirt look, maybe we can work WITH it.”
—Ricko
#78 by leon on 09.25.09 11:06 am |
the sheen makes a big difference
That reminds me:did anyone catch the scene in “the office” last nite where michael scott tells oscar he is going in for a colonoscopy?
Just terrifically inappropriate. And oh yeah, to keep this uni-topical, how about the jerseys on darrell and his sis?
#79 by The Jeff on 09.25.09 11:08 am |
JimV19 said:
Slap! No. Bad.
That logo works as a secondary logo. It is not a good helmet logo.
This is a better helmet logo:
http://img14.imagesh...
and it’s intentionally horrible.
#80 by Namhob on 09.25.09 11:08 am |
leon said:
Looks like the Croatians already use the “czecherboard” design on a portion of their sock.
http://3.bp.blogspot...
#81 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 11:11 am |
leon said:
Darrell’s green looked better. Kind of a Randall Cunningham/Reggie White-era look.
#82 by Ricko on 09.25.09 11:15 am |
How’s this for Packers?
Since sleeves stripes are becoming largely unworkable, and they’ve already removed the stripes from the socks…
Helmets, pants and socks stay exactly the same.
Stripes disappear from sleeves, but stay at neckline (hang on, this is gonna work).
And this (since you can’t flip the state map for two-sided helmet use) on the sleeves…
http://www.hataday.c...
Not huge like shoulder-top Flying Elvis, but not tiny either.
I absolutely do NOT think the Packers’ marketing schtick should be “forward looking”. It should ALWAYS be “We’ve been here as along as anyone…in the smallest market in pro sports, too…so stuff it, all you newcomers with no history.”
—Ricko
#83 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 11:15 am |
The Jeff said:
I said I wouldn’t mess with a good thing and still you slap me? ;)
Hey, how about the secondary logo on the jersey, either on the “sleeves” or the way the Steelers put their logo on the jerseys?
#84 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 11:18 am |
M.Princip said:
It’s a mystery to me why anyone thinks South Carolina has sharp football uniforms. The logo on the helmet doesn’t stand out, and the uniform is the typical trendy wandering lines pattern which is usually criticized here. My guess is few people can recall those superior Gamecock uniforms of the 1980s, since South Carolina never contended for the national title, and later, fell into trouble with the NCAA.
I’ve had no luck finding those 1980s uniforms with the red helmet and traditional striping on the jersey/pants, but I can’t believe anyone would prefer the modern bland design to the unis worn during the Sterling Sharpe era.
#85 by Tex on 09.25.09 11:18 am |
I get so encouraged about the state of athletic uniform asthetics when I see the groundswell stirrup movement, shoulder stripes on HS football unis, the AFC legacy unis, etc. But then after today’s awful news of the gradient graphic sock company and the idiot who thinks the Packers logo needs to be freshened up, I feel like impaling myself on a manure fork. I guess it boils down to opinions. Sadly enough, everyone has one (an opinion, that is).
#86 by The Jeff on 09.25.09 11:20 am |
JimV19 said:
I tend to be a little violent sometimes… it’s the black & silver in my blood. Sorry about that.
Honestly, the only place I see that other Packers logo working on the uniform would be on the front of the jersey like the Steelers, and even that’s a bit iffy to me. It’s a great logo for ticket stubs and programs and official team press conference background images, but I really don’t think it belongs on the uniforms.
#87 by leon on 09.25.09 11:23 am |
Darrell’s green looked better.
http://www.darrellgr...
#88 by Blain on 09.25.09 11:30 am |
It is not necessarily a slow news day in Milwaukee. The story was by Jim Stingl, a locally known columnist who typically covers the quirky and off-beat. It’s perfectly up his realm of typical coverage. It’s nice that the paper still has him and his counterparts that don’t just cover the crime and politics beats, even if those logos were hideous.
#89 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 11:31 am |
The Jeff said:
Better idea, put the big “G” on the pants, in the
hip area, then continue the striping below.
#90 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 11:36 am |
LI Phil said:
I could not agree with you more Phil. I absolutely detest those shiny pants.
#91 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 11:39 am |
On that marketing exec. who re-designed the Packers logo. It’s like he just learned how to make an embossed button in Photoshop, and went to town on the Pack’s logo. Not good.
#92 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 11:42 am |
Don’t know if you guys saw this before, but while searching for nfl retro logos I found this:
http://billsportsmap...
These are cool too:
http://billsportsmap...
http://billsportsmap...
#93 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 11:42 am |
Gusto44 said:
something like this?
or perhaps this?
#94 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 11:44 am |
LI Phil said:
It may be monochrome, but I still really like that second one!
#95 by leon on 09.25.09 11:48 am |
JimV19 said:
very nice
#96 by JTH on 09.25.09 11:49 am |
We Got Ns In The Backfield said:
OK, you had me but you totally lost me with that one. This is a good look but this and this and this is not?
#97 by Erik D on 09.25.09 11:51 am |
On the proposed Packer logo:
NO GRADIENT! Unless it’s going to be a “web-only” icon. And am I not seeing something with the first idea? It just looks weird to me. And the second seems to lack creativity.
On Sponsored practice Gear: Who will ever see these? Other than maybe a news clip or a photo, there’s really not too many pics taken of teams in practice gear. Those aren’t memorable. Are teams just smarter than we think? “Sure we’ll put your logo on our ‘practice gear’. (and no one will ever know)
#98 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 11:51 am |
JimV19 said:
Touchdown! Yes, those are the ones, I think South Carolina did some mix and matching during that era, the all red version just blows away the garbage we saw last night. I think the more people that actually see this old uniforms will understand why they are superior. The red helmets really made the logo pop, too.
I recall the Gamecock defense also had a great nickname during that era, they were called the “Red Ant” defense.
Hopefully, South Carolina will revert back to this style in the near future.
#99 by The Jeff on 09.25.09 11:53 am |
JTH said:
That’s easy. Go look at a dolphin – if they’re not in the water, they’re usually still wet… and shiny. So, dolphins are supposed to be shiny, while bears aren’t. It’s obvious.
#100 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 11:55 am |
JTH said:
Wait until the second quarter of home games in December; I think the “too shiny” problem will go away.
#101 by leon on 09.25.09 12:00 pm |
So, dolphins are supposed to be shiny, while bears aren’t.
http://www.vat19.com...
#102 by Ricko on 09.25.09 12:01 pm |
JTH said:
Not to put words in his mouth, or speak for him, but I get his point. For lack of a better adjective, let’s call them “jewel” colors or something, but the sheen works for some.
I was thinking it seems okay on the Skins’ burgundy pants, too.
But red, not so much. Red, to me, is flags and fire trucks and the Phillies (and such). Not satiny, no. Same for athletic gold. Old gold or silver, yes. Aqua, sure, as well many of the newer, non-traditional uni colors. Lots of blue gemstones, of course, but colors like navy and royal have been around long in sports we just think of them as matte finish, anything else is a little odd.
Hope you get what I mean, I hope. Really a color-by-color thing.
—Ricko
#103 by The Jeff on 09.25.09 12:02 pm |
leon said:
That’s just disturbing…
#104 by Greenie on 09.25.09 12:03 pm |
The retro logo I’d like to see the Packers use more (not on uniforms, but for others items) is the one from 59-74 in the link. It’s an interlocking G and B, (which includes the B, like that damn designer was trying to accomplish) and actually looks nice.
http://worldsbestlog...
And I’m with Johnny O, Paul. If I were still in Wisconsin, I’d be happy to buy you all the cheese curds you can stomach. Don’t call us Hades.
-Greenie
#105 by Ricko on 09.25.09 12:05 pm |
Contributing to the not-so-badness of the Dolphins sheen is that the helmet and jersey are white. In cases were the pant and helmets colors match and “finishes” don’t, then you have a bad deal.
(which may take the Redskins off my “possible” list)
#106 by JTH on 09.25.09 12:07 pm |
Ricko said:
I’m not arguing for shiny anything in football. I’m a big fan of the Giants’ matte finish. It’s just too bad they had to go and fuck things up with that sparkly helmet.
I’m just saying that the Dolphins’ aqua-trousered ensemble is not a good look.
#107 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 12:07 pm |
LI Phil said:
not so long as UA is their supplier
their target market seems to be people who want to look/feel act like this
not that that’s a bad thing, just that that’s where they’re going with their uni design
/wow…could that sentence have any more “that”’s in it?
#108 by Shaggy on 09.25.09 12:10 pm |
Much Better Socks…
http://cgi.ebay.com/...
#109 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 12:12 pm |
LI Phil said:
That’s right, the current trends indicate South Carolina won’t be returning to that classic style. That football program just doesn’t have the tradition of a school, like Texas, for example, so that’s a big reason for the trendy uniform. Sad.
#110 by Ricko on 09.25.09 12:16 pm |
JTH said:
We talkin’ sheen or color?
Cuz I never particularly liked the aqua pants, either.
Just saying I can live with the sheen on them, but on most other teams, forget it.
Now, if you’re an old bugger you remember when pants had satin fronts and matte finish backs; suppliers hadn’t yet figured out to make satin fabric stretch (see Notre Dame, Vikings’ first 60’s purple pants and countless others, well into the 80’s).
—Ricko
#111 by James Craven on 09.25.09 12:19 pm |
That Packer “logo” BBSS.
#112 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 12:20 pm |
Ricko said:
here’s what csonk thinks about the aquasheen
#113 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 12:20 pm |
LI Phil said:
Ain’t that the truth!
#114 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 12:24 pm |
LI Phil said:
That was a good cover. I think there was another one of Kiick, Csonka and Mercury Morris when they signed with Memphis (?) of the WFL.
Less and less posed shots for SI covers these days unless it’s a “season preview” edition.
#115 by John T on 09.25.09 12:25 pm |
Shaggy said:
Aussie Rules… great socks, but more to ship than to buy!!
#116 by Mark in Shiga on 09.25.09 12:26 pm |
From the article on the surge in Expos gear:
In the team’s heyday, with their powder-blue road uniforms and tri-colour caps, the Expos look was anything but cool.
LIES!
The powder blue was awesome. It was the boring, uninspired, knockoff-Cubs-but-duller look that they went with afterward that was anything but cool. They even dumped their cool number font. They went from being a distinctive team on the road to Yet Another Dull Gray Team. Bo-ring.
#117 by JTH on 09.25.09 12:27 pm |
Ricko said:
I’m talking color. I don’t like that combination. But then again, I don’t like it when teams with white helmets wear anything but white pants.
As for the shiny pants in general, they really don’t bother me. Would I prefer to see a matte look? Absolutely. But I grew up watching guys like Walter Payton and Mike Singletary, so to me, that’s just the way they’ve always looked.
#118 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 12:27 pm |
anotherguy said:
was warfield, not morris
lookie here
#119 by Leaky on 09.25.09 12:35 pm |
Sublimated socks? Big deal. Shit the NBA was sublimating jerseys as early as 1992-93 with the redesign of the Phoenix Suns unis.
http://www.phoenixsu...
And other cool sublimated designs followed such as the Hawks:
http://media.photobu...
Today a lot of uni design is bland and predictable… but don’t blame the NBA uni designers in the funky early to mid-90’s.
#120 by JTH on 09.25.09 12:37 pm |
JTH said:
Conversely, I can’t stand this shininess. I think this look was infinitely better.
#121 by Ricko on 09.25.09 12:38 pm |
LI Phil said:
Anybody notice no TV numbers on Csonka’s jersey?
Must be a training camp version of sumpin.
#122 by Leaky on 09.25.09 12:39 pm |
YIPES!!! That is some shit design for the Packers…
NICE
http://www.sportslog...
NICE
http://www.sportslog...
NICE
http://www.sportslog...
Easy right?
#123 by Ricko on 09.25.09 12:41 pm |
Mark in Shiga said:
Totally agree. Whatever you may think of powder blue roads in MLB, they worked for some teams. Expos were one of ‘em. Both versions (narrow striped and wide striped).
—Ricko
#124 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 12:42 pm |
LI Phil said:
TY. I should have known that; Morris was the one who was “left behind” in Miami and got a lot of carries IIRC.
I didn’t know you lived in Ohio. :-)
#125 by JTH on 09.25.09 12:42 pm |
Leaky said:
My favorite.
#126 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 12:44 pm |
Ricko said:
I think Csonk is flashing some gang sign or something too… must be a Memphis thing.
#127 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 12:47 pm |
i always wondered if this was intentional
maybe they realize csonk was flippin the bird in the original and wouldn’t let him recreate it
#128 by Ricko on 09.25.09 12:52 pm |
LI Phil said:
More like, “Everyone knows you got one by us last time, so do TWO fingers this time…okay?”
#129 by Leaky on 09.25.09 1:12 pm |
So Nice.
http://media2.620wtm...
#130 by Chuck on 09.25.09 1:16 pm |
Ricko said:
I wonder just how many times the words “a little freshening up” has been used to describe uni changes in the NFL?
#131 by josh on 09.25.09 1:17 pm |
JTH said:
dont forget this nightmare
http://www.bing.com/...
#132 by josh on 09.25.09 1:23 pm |
Leaky said:
and i want to buy that bucks jersey now. that is really nice.
#133 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 1:29 pm |
Leaky said:
This guy http://andythesaint.... didn’t think so. He ranked them the ugliest NBA jersey ever. I don’t know what he’s thinking, because he not only added these http://img.photobuck... to the list, but these beauties from the Cavs: http://img.photobuck...
If the antlers weren’t overlapping the names, I might like it more. It definitely isn’t the worst in history, by a long shot.
#134 by JTH on 09.25.09 1:29 pm |
josh said:
Does a replica work for you?
#135 by josh on 09.25.09 1:33 pm |
josh said:
yeah, but its too small and its glen robinson. lol.
#136 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 1:36 pm |
JimV19 said:
I mean, come on, how do you think the 70s Cavs look worse than this? http://img.photobuck...
#137 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 1:36 pm |
LI Phil said:
Say, has Uniwatch ever done a complete breakdown of WFL uniforms? The Memphis Grizzlies were one of several WFL franchises with sharp uniforms, my favorite was The Hawaiians. Florida, Birmingham, and the Southern California Sun were good, too.
#138 by JTH on 09.25.09 1:42 pm |
JimV19 said:
Sure, some of those are just awful, but there are at least four that have no business being anywhere near a top 10 list of badness (Cavs, Bucks, Nuggets, even the Thunder).
Speaking of bad NBA jerseys, is there a Hall-of-Famer whose had to wear more terrible unis than Charles Barkley?
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C
#139 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 1:42 pm |
JimV19 said:
And these http://img.photobuck... and these http://www.sportspos... don’t make the list????
#140 by Jeff on 09.25.09 1:43 pm |
I like the Dye Sport socks. If I were in high school, I would run through a wall with those babies on.
I, too, am from Wisconsin. The alternate Packers logo thing is an embarrassment. Urine tests for all involved!
#141 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 1:44 pm |
Gusto44 said:
Girzzlies a.k.a. Memphis Southmen. Hell yea, awesome logo/colors. Detroit Wheels had a pretty cool logo and colors as well.
#142 by kyle. on 09.25.09 1:47 pm |
Ricko said:
they’re from usc in the 1930s. check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/y...
#143 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 1:50 pm |
Gusto44 said:
paul may have done something in the past (i know he’s done some things on his mothership columns linking to/referencing WFL unis), but i did one on the sun a ways back
i am planning on doing a full WFL article with ricko down the line too
/stay tuned
#144 by Kerry P on 09.25.09 1:50 pm |
Kerry P said:
Ummm, DEFINITELY NOT. If they\’re going to wear gold jerseys at all, wear the white helmets and white pants.
#145 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 1:51 pm |
JimV19 said:
And to show I’m not bashing anything made after the 80s, these http://www.hoopsvibe... look good.
#146 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 1:54 pm |
JimV19 said:
oops…http://www.espnshop.com/images/products/large_w/22864704_w.jpg
#147 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 1:55 pm |
It’s a new Raptors jersey. Look it up, I’m done trying to get it right…
#148 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 09.25.09 1:57 pm |
Patrick said:
I “still” to refer to it as the Ballpark at Union Station…. ummm, yea, I lost that fight. But how cool would that be?
#149 by JTH on 09.25.09 2:00 pm |
JimV19 said:
http://www.espnshop....
#150 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 2:03 pm |
JTH said:
Thanks. Every now and then, these newfangled typewriter thingys get the best of me…
#151 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 2:04 pm |
JTH said:
I dig it! No pun intended….heh heh
#152 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 2:25 pm |
LI Phil said:
Looking forward to that article, I always liked the unique color combination of purple and orange for the Sun, thought they pulled it off well.
Has Uniwatch done any articles on the USFL and WLAF, always thought the New York-New Jersey Knights had a great logo and uniform?
#153 by concealed78 on 09.25.09 2:36 pm |
Gradients and sports do not belong together.
#154 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 2:38 pm |
Gusto44 said:
If there hasn’t been a USFL/WLAF article, I hope that will be rectified soon!
This reminded me of an idea – I’d like to see the readers’ thoughts on the ultimate uni football league. In other words, comprise a league of teams based on the best unis from all the different leagues and time frames. Should be interesting.
#155 by JTH on 09.25.09 2:41 pm |
M.Princip said:
I really wish someone in Toronto would wake up and realize that raptor is another word for bird of prey. There are so many things they can do with their logos that don’t involve dinosaurs.
I suppose this is OK, but this? Come on.
#156 by Ricko on 09.25.09 2:49 pm |
JTH said:
Hey now…we must be willing to turn on our imaginations. If we can’t get our minds around a dribbling dinosaur, how can we hope to embrace a ball-spinning, pipe-smoking leprechaun?
Or teams in LA and Utah named “Lakers” and “Jazz”, for that matter?
—Ricko
#157 by Ricko on 09.25.09 2:56 pm |
My Aunt Christine used to wear her black stockings something like this, knotted below the knee. When she was in her 80s.
http://farm3.static....
And Can-Can dancers did, too.
Fetching. I’m sure this generation of high school kids has no idea how ladylike and…um, dumb…they look.
Bet they’d think twice if they saw ‘em on those French dancin’ girls.
Fersure if they’d seen my Aunt Christine.
—Ricko
#158 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 2:57 pm |
I tell ya, this Raptors logo should be included in every case study on logos that are simple, clean, smart, and effective.
#159 by LarryB on 09.25.09 3:12 pm |
So where are any color on color college football games? I thought the NCAA changed to rule o allow it of both teams agreed.
#160 by LarryB on 09.25.09 3:16 pm |
leon said:
I am a latecomer to The Office. Just started watching it last year. But now have the dvd and catch reruns on TBS.
Ya how about Darrell and his sisters unis. That part was good
#161 by LarryB on 09.25.09 3:18 pm |
The socks in today’s column sure are something to think about
#162 by JTH on 09.25.09 3:24 pm |
M.Princip said:
It’s the yang to this one’s yin.
#163 by kj on 09.25.09 3:27 pm |
kj said:
Now, while I know many people around here want all teams to look the same–very plain, yet with lots of stripes–I think those Suns jerseys were fantastic. I loved everything about that logo, the fonts, etc. Brilliant.
#164 by JTH on 09.25.09 3:42 pm |
kj said:
KJ? Is that you?
#165 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 3:46 pm |
LarryB said:
Yeah, that’s what she said. At first I thought Darrell’s jersey looked kinda like a Seahawks alternate, it had blue outlined numbers.
#166 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 3:50 pm |
JTH said:
Yeah, in retrospect they’re actually pretty good. Probably the best of the 90s designs.
#167 by Pedro on 09.25.09 4:01 pm |
Gusto44 said:
It looked like a late 80’s-early 90’s Jets jersey to me.
#168 by LarryB on 09.25.09 4:01 pm |
Right now TCM has a old football movie on.”Good News” In color with a very colorful football scene or 2
Just started at 3:30
#169 by Hott Rodd on 09.25.09 4:11 pm |
JTH said:
Say what you will but as a fifth or sixth grader when that logo came out, I loved it. And really shouldn’t sports in some way appeal to the children? I understand professional, corporate blah blah, but it’s kind of like the Oregon Ducks, where the kids like it and isn’t that what should matter on a certain level.
(yes yes I know I am going to buried for this)
#170 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 4:25 pm |
hey rodd, other than the result, how was jerry’s new palace?
#171 by Ricko on 09.25.09 4:30 pm |
Hott Rodd said:
And they all should get trophies just for showing up,too. Cuz, y’know, college isn’t about growing up or anything, not about learning you don’t always get to call the shots, or getting patted on the head for trying really, really hard even if you screwed everything up and, say, cost your fellow employees a lot of time and your employer a lot money.
Just sayin’, being an adult’s gotta start sometime, doesn’t it? :)
—Ricko
#172 by =bg= on 09.25.09 4:32 pm |
That Packers thing- first thing it reminded me of was the CFL Edmonton Eskimos.
http://logoshak.com/...
#173 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 4:33 pm |
Hott Rodd said:
There are so many levels to the Oregon Ducks kids appeal. It’s like, “you don’t like this(Steroidal Super Hero Duck), well, how about this(Donald Duck)? Oh, you like that(Carbon Fibre), we got something like that too(Carbon Fibre Lookin’ Helmets).” It’s just absolutely exhausting at times. Breaking News: Now, something for the parents, throwbacks.
For the record, I’m not crazy about that cartoon Toronto Raptor, however, do like Oregon’s ‘Donald’ Duck.
#174 by JTH on 09.25.09 4:37 pm |
Ricko said:
There’s nothing wrong with a logo that appeals to kids. There have been plenty of good ones over the years. The Celtics’ leprechaun that Ricko mentioned comes to mind as a “classic” example. The Cubs’ walking bear is a modern one.
I’m not particularly crazy about either one, but they’re both pretty solid.
I can’t find one thing I like about that dribbling dino, though. It’s childish in an over-the-top way, it’s got the OMBS syndrome and it’s just ugly.
#175 by Tris Wykes on 09.25.09 4:38 pm |
This site puts up childhood drawings of make-believe teams from contributors’ pasts but it won’t put up someone’s adult attempts to make over the Packers’ logo? I don’t think it looks very good either, but I’m puzzled sometimes at what does and doesn’t make it through the UniWatch Blog filter. And just to be clear, I dig the childhood art images.
#176 by JTH on 09.25.09 4:42 pm |
M.Princip said:
Me, too. In fact, I’m still regretting not picking up some Donald swag when I was in Eugene like 15 years ago.
My wife bought a baseball cap with Donald on it and for some reason, I left town empty-handed.
#177 by M.Princip on 09.25.09 4:45 pm |
JTH said:
Top notch post right here. Well said.
#178 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 4:45 pm |
Hott Rodd said:
I’m with you on this…up to a point. I do prefer a uni that appeals to all ages, but that first Raptors one was too childish.
It would be nice, though, if sports, like comic books, would be made more appealing for kids. Both forms of entertainment seem so geared towards adults now. Yes, the adults spend the money now, but eventually you gotta hook the next generation. So yeah, sports should have the kids’ interest in mind.
#179 by JTH on 09.25.09 4:54 pm |
M.Princip said:
Thanks.
#180 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 5:01 pm |
JimV19 said:
you first pointed out this one jim (which paul put on the mothership piece)…doesn’t this make the kids think of this…and vice versa
see…sports are for kids
#181 by Hott Rodd on 09.25.09 5:01 pm |
LI Phil said:
Phenomenal. But it was gawdawful hot. I’m used to heat(it was 105 here the day before I left) butI’m not used to humidity so 90 degrees and humid kills me.
Other than that, the atmosphere was just amazing, it was so loud and the place was big. Very Big.
The wife and I had an amazing time.
#182 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 5:04 pm |
LI Phil said:
well, I didn’t mean for toddlers…
#183 by leon on 09.25.09 5:06 pm |
If only he’d been wearing a Gazoo s100…..
http://sports.espn.g...
#184 by Hott Rodd on 09.25.09 5:10 pm |
Ricko said:
Ricko -
I am not saying the players should run the asylum as it were. I am saying that sometimes the appeal of the uniforms is more apparent to the kids than to the alums and more aged observers. I am not saying incorporate every design element possible (which I think Oregon does anyway) but rather that I can see why the uniforms are an added plus.
Hell, I picked my college allegiance based on the fact that of the 2 final schools, one was offering $500 more in scholarship per semester towards books than the other. Go Devils!
My roundabout point is that in the grand scheme of things, what makes absolutely no sense at 30, 40, 50 and beyond, makes a hell of a lot of sense at 17 or 18.
TROPHIES FOR EVERYONE!
#185 by Tmoore on 09.25.09 5:39 pm |
I missed the Orioles stirrup club order and have aneed for a pair. If anyone has a pair to sell or can point me in the direction of one, e-mail me at tdmoore66@gmail.com. Thanks.
#186 by Ricko on 09.25.09 5:55 pm |
JTH said:
“Growing up” business was in reference to Oregon saying their unis help with recruiting. And I get the appeal to the college players, but letting incoming freshman think they’re somehow entitled to an opinion about what a major college football program chooses to wear isn’t the swiftest idea I’ve ever heard. For a lot of reasons.
And I like the Leprechaun, among others. That was my point. The NBA is all over the map, literally and figuratively, so there are lots of looks to embrace. And, despite what people seem to think, I do NOT think all unis should look alike. Or logos, either. Damn, that’d be boring.
So I musta messed up, because everbody apparently took both posts wrong.
And, finally, I think there’s huge difference between looking at artwork people did when they were kids and the supposedly perceptive, schooled renderings of a “marketing executive” someone deemed covering in metropolitan daily.
—Ricko
#187 by Mark on 09.25.09 5:55 pm |
I heard an interesting interview on KFAN radio here in Minneapolis this morning (still looking for podcast link, if any). Greg Coleman, former Viking punter and now KFAN sideline reporter, was telling how he is also the NFL’s representative at Viking home games to check out both teams pregame and in-game for uniform violations. He makes notes on violations pregame, submits a report to the Vikings’ designated team contact (happens to be the strength coach) who then is supposed to notify the offending players. Coleman then checks throughout the game for corrections and/or further violations.
In addition the NFL has someones who watches every game from NYC and can also tag players for violations.
That the NFL has an official in NYC checking is not that surprising. What did surprise me was that Coleman is a reporter assigned to cover the team during broadcasts (and throughout the week for call-ins) and he is supposed to police those same players. Does that strike anyone as a conflict of interest? Even if he never has to confront a player on a violation, they know he is the on-site guy and likely the one who reported them, usually leading to a fine.
Comments?
#188 by JTH on 09.25.09 6:01 pm |
Ricko said:
I don’t know if this was necessarily aimed at me, but I wasn’t disagreeing with you. I was trying to elaborate on your point.
#189 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 6:01 pm |
Mark said:
That’s very strange, I can see Viking players being unwilling to cooperate with Coleman for future interviews. I would also think checking players takes away from his attention as a reporter following the game.
#190 by Mark on 09.25.09 6:04 pm |
Mark said:
Found the podcast link if anyone is interested
http://www.kfan.com/...
#191 by Ricko on 09.25.09 6:09 pm |
Because I described a description (post #82) of how possibly to incorporate this logo into the Packer unis…
http://farm3.static....
I figured I’d mock something up.
First, with the current stlye short sleeves…
http://farm4.static....
On the whites with a “semi-sleeve”…
http://farm3.static....
And, with the logo on compression sleeves…
http://farm3.static....
Doesn’t look quite as good as I saw it my mind (so what else is new, LOL), cuz it’s a little plain, but that at least fits the historical position of the franchise. But, hey, I wanted to see how it would look, and now I know.
But they’d sell a ton of these in Wisconsin, though…
http://farm3.static....
—Ricko
#192 by Ricko on 09.25.09 6:14 pm |
“described a description”?
I gotta read this shit one more time before I hit “Say It’.
(walks away, muttering)
—Ricko
#193 by Oakville Endive on 09.25.09 6:27 pm |
Ricko said:
My apologies if this has already been said today – but didn’t Green Bay stick their logo “G” on their sleeves at one time?
I’m catching up on a few things, even though it’s a irrelevant franchise, and the fact that NHL 3rd jerseys tend to breed like rabbits,which takes a lot of the fun out of a uni launch – I quite like Nashville Predators new 3rd jersey.
#194 by Ricko on 09.25.09 6:33 pm |
Oakville Endive said:
“G” on sleeves. Yup, a few years ago. This particular uni notion came up after a comment made in reaction to the story about the guy designing new Packer logos.
—Ricko
#195 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 6:49 pm |
Ricko said:
That was during the mid 1980s, back when sleeves were longer. Those were the Lynn Dickey teams with the potent offense. I liked having the “G” elsewhere on the Packer uniform, thought it added something. If the “G” were added to the pants, that would be a good look, IMO.
#196 by leon on 09.25.09 6:51 pm |
Gusto44 said:
Former player Tony McGee performs this same task for the Redskins. While he does not cover them per se, he does have a local show.
#197 by leon on 09.25.09 6:53 pm |
Isn’ this on the marquee of a bar in Green Bay? (And if it isn’t, it should be).
http://farm3.static....
#198 by Nick on 09.25.09 7:03 pm |
Bob said:
Miss. State is probably the only SEC school, other than LSU, that even begins to occasionally wear White at home. MSU wore White at home a couple of years ago to start the season against Oregon, who wore their Neon Yellow jersey/pants combo.
In the early-mid 1970s, when LSU would go on the road to play Miss. State every other year, there were a couple of years that LSU would be made to wear their Purple jerseys. I believe that Miss. State at this era wore White jerseys for other home games also.
These would be the ONLY games, with MANY years in between, that the LSU team would wear purple jerseys, other than the occasional bowl game, and it was really an oddity to see LSU in Purple back then.
LSU almost NEVER wore Purple jerseys with any regularity until the late 1980’s when the NCAA mandated White jerseys on the Road, Dark jerseys at Home.
Then, after the NCAA allowed teams to ask home opponents for permission to wear White at home, you would get ocassional grumps like Vandy or Florida that would force LSU to wear dark at home.
Gerry DiNardo so disliked the Purple jerseys that he came up with the idea to petition the NCAA to wear White at home, and also came up with the idea to wear Yellow/Gold jerseys at home when Vandy made them wear dark at home. Then Spurrier wanted to wear White at home for an LSU game, so LSU wore Gold on the road at Florida once.
LSU should have a Yellow/Gold jersey, but with the traditional UCLA inserts (instead of the 1990s version without), paired with the regular Yellow/Gold helmet and White pasnts. That would be a very unique look, and also classy – and it would please the anti-Purple crowd …..
#199 by Ray Barrington on 09.25.09 7:03 pm |
It used to be on the old Packer City Motel on the east side, I think…that was closed down some time ago.
As for the G on the sleeve, that was a Forrest Gregg idea, a bit past the Lynn Dickey era. Gregg also put number patches on the hips, an idea he picked up from the Cowboys. Lindy Infante yanked those off quickly, noting it made it easier to identify linemen for holding calls.
#200 by Ricko on 09.25.09 7:04 pm |
Ricko said:
LOL. Might as well finish things.
Here’s a vintage-inspired Packer alternate (sbsolutely NOT a throwback) to go with this set. It goes to school on the navy blue Don Hutson-era unis, which were worn during the 1994 75th anniversary throwback season)…
http://farm3.static....
—Ricko
#201 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 7:08 pm |
Ray Barrington said:
At one time there was a bar/restaurant in the downtown area that was located in the same building where the Pack had their business offices during the Lombardi era. They had a great deal of Packer items.
OTOH, I suppose it’s hard to find a bar in Green Bay that DOESN’T have a lot of Packer items… :-)
#202 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 7:11 pm |
Nick said:
My first reaction is that this is an attempt at gamesmanship.
Similar to when Washington would make the Cowboys wear blue at their place.
#203 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 7:14 pm |
LI Phil said:
I never noticed that before! But now that I look at it, I kind of wonder if the second picture was airbrushed to take out Csonka smoking.
Nobody picked up on Memphis and gang signs? Not a lot of Derrick Rose fans here…
#204 by Ricko on 09.25.09 7:17 pm |
What, nobody’s gonna note that they’d sell a lot of these in Wisconsin…
http://farm3.static....
…cuz “bib overalls don’t cover up no logos ‘r nuthin’.”
;)
—Ricko
#205 by Ricko on 09.25.09 7:20 pm |
anotherguy said:
I doubt it. You think after the first fiasco they weren’t watching him like a hawk during the second photo shoot?
#206 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 7:22 pm |
Ricko said:
Yeah, that’s true. Of course, back then smoking wasn’t quite the “no-no” that it is now.
I wonder if we could trace back the first usage of the term “role model”?
#207 by leon on 09.25.09 7:24 pm |
anotherguy said:
Starting with Joe Gibbs, edition 1, the skins wore white whenever they had a choice. Making the Cowboys wear blue was a side effect, albeit a pleasing one.
#208 by mike 2 on 09.25.09 7:27 pm |
I agree that a reporter shouldn’t also work for the league, especially in a quasi-disciplinary role.
Some time ago, some reporters were also official scorers for baseball. There was a huge blowup one year over the ruling on a hit-vs-error play during the late innings of a no-hitter and the scorer (reporter) was accused of bias. After that many if not all papers banned their guys from being scorers on the exact grounds mentioned above, their primary job is to report and they didn’t want their scorers jobs (and potential disputes) to get in the way of that.
#209 by Curtis on 09.25.09 7:33 pm |
Chris Berman said today on sportscenter that the seahawks will be wearing their green jerseys on sunday
#210 by Ricko on 09.25.09 7:33 pm |
leon said:
Goes back farther than that. Sometime during Kilmer-Jurgenson years NFL began allowing teams to change from game-to-game, and Skins always chose white at home for the Cowboys, forcing them to wear then hated dark jerseys (royal at the time).
When Skins change to current look in 1980, they made white (with burgundy pants) their standard home color.
DID I MISS THIS HERE AT UW???
Chris Berman just said the Seahawks will wear lime green Sunday.
—Ricko
#211 by Ricko on 09.25.09 7:36 pm |
Okay, Curtis, how do we break the News Bulletin tie (7:33)??
How’s your record in your division?
#212 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 7:44 pm |
Gusto44 said:
something like this?
not sure about that…but interesting
#213 by leon on 09.25.09 7:52 pm |
Ricko said:
Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Exhibit A:(go to p.19)
http://sportsillustr...
#214 by LarryB on 09.25.09 7:52 pm |
I just watched the SWC highlights from 1957. I saw about them here a week or ago. I think it was Nick who talked about them. The 1957 show had decent color quality.
I saw online they sell quite a few years of the SWC season highlights. My Timewarner seems to only play the same few over and over. But this year the 1948 and 1957 were new to me.
#215 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 7:54 pm |
Curtis said:
funny…i turned to my calendar for sunday…and it’s december 21, 2012 instead
god save us all
#216 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 7:55 pm |
Ray Barrington said:
Interesting that Indianapolis had numbers on their pants during that era, inside a horseshoe, it looked ok. As I recall, those were silver pants, with a single blue stripe
Regarding the Packers, 1984-87 was the logo sleeve era, 1984 was Lynn Dickey’s last full time season, before injuries in 1985 hastened his departure from the game. I remember watching a NFL Network classic game from 1985, Pack vs, Bears, and Jim Zorn was forced into action for Green Bay.
#217 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 8:00 pm |
LI Phil said:
Yes, I think that would not only look good, but not disrupt the traditional Green Bay uniform.
I also would like to see a similar approach with the Colts, Chiefs, Cardinals, Cowboys, and Bills.
#218 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 8:03 pm |
als vs. ti-cats could quite possibly be the worst uni matchup of the season
certainly tonight
#219 by Ricko on 09.25.09 8:04 pm |
leon said:
I guess I wasn’t as clear as I could have been. Once the Skins hit upon the idea of wearing white at home for the Cowboys, they never stopped doing it, and I’m pretty sure it started during the gold pants era. Maybe LATE in that era, but in that era.
—Ricko
#220 by leon on 09.25.09 8:13 pm |
I guess I wasn’t as clear as I could have been. Once the Skins hit upon the idea of wearing white at home for the Cowboys, they never stopped doing it, and I’m pretty sure it started during the gold pants era. Maybe LATE in that era, but in that era.
—Ricko
The tradition of wearing white jerseys at home was started by Joe Gibbs when he took over as coach in 1981. Gibbs was an assistant for the San Diego Chargers in 1979 and 1980, and the Chargers wore white at home during the tenure of coach Don Coryell in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
#221 by Stuby on 09.25.09 8:31 pm |
JimV19 said:
My favorite thing about that jersey was that it would read “SUNS” even if it was upside down.
#222 by JTH on 09.25.09 9:30 pm |
leon said:
From Timmy B’s White at Home in the NFL page:
JTH said:
#223 by Ricko on 09.25.09 9:33 pm |
leon said:
White jerseys as the full-time home began with the white jerseys and burgundy pants, I do know tthat, because we didn’t see the burgundy over white uuntil they played in Phila, I think it was. Don’t remember the year. Thought was ‘80. So we’re probably saying the same thing.
—Ricko
#224 by john on 09.25.09 9:34 pm |
does anyone know what the green logo on the right sleeves of ncaa football coaches is?
#225 by Ricko on 09.25.09 9:45 pm |
JTH said:
Guess I was wrong. Could swear I remember watching a game from RFK when WR Danny Buggs was with the Skins. Riggins was playing for Skins, too. Thought they were in white (with the gold pants). The images of the game stuck in my mind because Buggs was wearing some kind of cockamammy burgundy high tops…or maybe they were gold…just remember they were odd, cuz dark high tops on wideouts were pretty rare at the time. (Just checked; had to be gold pants; Buggs was there ‘76-’79).
Ah, well, hate to think how many games I’ve watched. Some of them bound to run together.
—Ricko
#226 by JTH on 09.25.09 9:53 pm |
Man, I dunno if I’m buying this lime green jersey story. I found this thread on a Seahawks message board, but there’s no link to a credible news source to back up the claim.
Anyway, wanna know what would be FANTASTIC? If they do wear them and the Bears wear their orange alts. Wait, what’s the opposite of fantastic? Because if that were to happen, I don’t even think I’d be able to listen to that game on the radio.
#227 by Gusto44 on 09.25.09 10:06 pm |
Ricko said:
Hey Ricko, don’t know if this helps at all, but 1979 was the year the Skins switched from yellow pants to the current red/white pant combination. I remember that year because the Skins missed out on the playoffs when they blew a big lead late against the Cowboys in Dallas.
#228 by leon on 09.25.09 10:19 pm |
Ah, well, hate to think how many games I’ve watched. Some of them bound to run together.
As so many times happens, an original premise gets lost. Mine was that the Skins did not wear white at home mearly to f with the cowboys but starting in ‘81, did it for all home games and most away games ( as most home teams wore color).
This tradition melted away after gibbs retired the first time. As for gold pants or burgundy pants, i can’t speak to that. If you think they occasionally wore white at home against the cowboys prior to that, i just don’t think they did. Arguably their biggest home game against the cowboys in the 70’s was the ‘72 championship game when they definitely wore burgundy.
As for ‘64, if this timmy b says they wore white, i have no evidence to the contrary (yet). I can’t figure why they would have done it for just that season unless because it was sonny jurgensen’s first in washington. And you may remember “lightnin” buggs wearing white over gold, but i’ll wager it wasn’t at home. I know what you mean about games running together, though.
#229 by JTH on 09.25.09 10:19 pm |
I think I really like this look. But I think I’d like it even better if it was done as a road jersey.
It might even help me get over my irrational hatred of white jersey/yellow pants combos.
#230 by =bg= on 09.25.09 10:21 pm |
JTH said:
“Woooo baby!! Wear your sunglasses cause we are gonna glow! Win or lose, I’m looking forward to seeing our pimp azzed alternatives!!!!”
Pimp azzed alternatives. That about sizes it up.
#231 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 10:24 pm |
#232 by leon on 09.25.09 10:25 pm |
“mearly” should have been merely
sorry
#233 by Ricko on 09.25.09 10:29 pm |
JTH said:
Thanks. I should have mentioned that even though it was lot of athletic gold, it also hints at other past Packer unis…
http://farm3.static....
Changing teams: Here’s yet another oddball way a team could use comp sleeves (used a current Giants photo to modify into what a 2009 version of the Alouettes Pepsi unis would look like)…
http://farm3.static....
—Ricko
#234 by anotherguy on 09.25.09 10:36 pm |
john said:
“Coaches vs. Muscular Dystrophy” promotion this weekend. All coaches will probably have this displayed. (It’s a particular subset of Muscular Dystrophy, to be exact.)
#235 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 10:39 pm |
Ricko said:
C’est manifique, monsieur!
As for your first Packer designs, you think it would work better with the 2nd logo over the stripes? I was going to suggest that until you and James floored me with your masterpieces.
#236 by BurghFan on 09.25.09 10:39 pm |
According to this, the Steelers will wear their throwbacks October 4 and December 27.
#237 by Paul Lukas on 09.25.09 10:39 pm |
Tris Wykes said:
Happy to explain: The childhood drawings reflect a youthful enthusiasm that, I think, most of us can relate to. They show an innocence and purity of expression that I suspect is at the root of why most readers of this site got into uniforms in the first place.
I’m much less interested in the speculative efforts of a professional designer, unless his/her design is really, really good. Anyone with a working knowledge of the right software can product something that looks “professional,” so who really gives a shit unless the results are seriously wonderful. A marketing exec trying to rebrand the Packers (good fucking luck) sounds like someone trying to generate publicity for himself more than anything else. And even if his inspiration is sincere, his efforts were badly misguided.
#238 by Ricko on 09.25.09 10:42 pm |
JimV19 said:
I thought about that, but was easier to visualize it because already had done a comp sleeves one with the “G”. So I did a newbie.
#239 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 10:55 pm |
BurghFan said:
Hey Burgh Fan, is it safe to come to town yet? I was thinking of going to Pirates fan appreciation day, but if the G-20 protestors are going to linger, I’ll pass.
Ricko, think you could whip up a Steelers version of your Packers idea, using this 2nd logo? http://ecx.images-am...
#240 by BurghFan on 09.25.09 11:03 pm |
Hey Burgh Fan, is it safe to come to town yet? I was thinking of going to Pirates fan appreciation day, but if the G-20 protestors are going to linger, I’ll pass.
Sounds (from TV news) like the last protest os being broken up now, but I’d imagine they’ll gone by Sunday. Of course, you watch the Pirates at your own risk….
#241 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 11:13 pm |
BurghFan said:
I like the Nationals, Padres and sometimes the Orioles as well, so I’m immune to losing baseball. As long as there’s Iron City, a couple of hotdogs and a decent giveaway, I can handle watching my Buccos.
#242 by LI Phil on 09.25.09 11:15 pm |
LI Phil said:
all the decent giveaways were gone by the trade deadline
#243 by timmy b on 09.25.09 11:27 pm |
leon said:
leon,
This Timmy B here. Oh, the Skins absolutely wore white for all games at DC Stadium in 1964. Documeted via newspaper photos from the Wash. Post and other newspaper sources from newspaperarchive.com
Now if you’ll excuse me, I gotta watch the 2009 AFL Grand Final. GO CATS!!
#244 by Stuby on 09.25.09 11:30 pm |
BurghFan said:
I love that line “…they will wear them for two home games, including the one Oct. 4 against the team from San Diego.” Strangely put.
#245 by Ricko on 09.25.09 11:37 pm |
JimV19 said:
You meant the shoulder yoke version?
Here’s a down and dirty…
http://farm3.static....
—Ricko
#246 by JTH on 09.25.09 11:54 pm |
How dare I question the veracity of Berman’s report? Obviously, it’s true.
#247 by JimV19 on 09.25.09 11:57 pm |
Ricko said:
Oh yeah! Very very nice.
#248 by Ricko on 09.26.09 12:05 am |
“First, combine two yokes…”
Cowboys throwbacks with shoulder yokes scalloped more accurately to the original 1960 jerseys, and the Packers’ “vintage-inspired” road alts…
http://farm3.static....
—ricko
#249 by Gusto44 on 09.26.09 12:23 am |
Stuby said:
Those Steeler throwbacks are sweet, one of the best in the entire league, the yellow helmet is really sharp. Wouldn’t mind seeing an all white road version, like the 1994 49er throwbacks.
#250 by Gusto44 on 09.26.09 12:30 am |
JimV19 said:
I like seeing the old school logo on the Steelers
uniform, but it may be too big for the jersey because of the numbers. It may look better on the hip of the pants, instead.
#251 by JohnnyO on 09.26.09 1:20 am |
LI Phil said:
Not the logo… but they had numbers on their pants for a while… I also dig the sleeves:
http://s147.photobuc...
#252 by Beef on 09.26.09 1:29 am |
Is anyone watching the High School Football game on ESPN2? There is a guy on the De La Salle team with M-COTTON as his NOB or should I say HNOB. I have the screen grab.
#253 by besty on 09.26.09 1:39 am |
Didn’t the Nets wear a gradient uni back in the Derrick Coleman years? Wouldn’t know where to look for visual evidence.
#254 by LI Phil on 09.26.09 1:46 am |
besty said:
they sure did