I recently spent some time going through old reader contributions that I’d meant to follow up on but never got around to. Without further ado:
ITEM: I’m fascinated by the phenomenon of untucked jerseys (not counting hockey, natch). The most famous examples are the White Sox and Marquette; less well known is DePaul. About a year ago I asked if anyone knew of other examples, and I got two responses (which I never posted because I was hoping to get more, but that never happened): Tim Murphy sent me several shots of Cal State Fullerton from the early 1980s, and Michael Orr directed me to this page, which suggests that Clemson’s women’s hoops team went untucked in the 1980s.
ITEM: A few months ago I asked if we could try to compile a list of current college football teams that don’t wear TV numbers. Turns out it’s a pretty long list: Oregon, Cal, Virginia, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Northwestern, Minnesota, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri, Stanford, Clemson, NC State, Army (but they have helmet numbers), Wake Forest, Baylor, Cincinnati, and Ole Miss. Big thanks to all who contributed.
• ITEM: The advent of the Life magazine online photo archive appears to have increased people’s appetite for old sports photos. As many of you already know, the Library of Congress is now digitizing its archival photos as posting them on Flickr, so you can search their images for baseball, football, or whatever sport or team you want to explore. The LoC also has great online exhibits devoted to baseball, baseball cards, and old Spalding Base Ball Guides. (And getting back to photos for a sec, the New York Public Library Digital Gallery is another good archival resource.)
Now then, in keeping with today’s grab bag approach, I have a bunch of housekeeping items to cover, beginning with…
Membership Update: The latest batch of membership kits mailed out yesterday, so all you new enrollees should watch your mailboxes. This latest batch included the Saints helmet treatment shown at right, which was Nick LaCour’s design request. As always, you can see and comment on all of the card designs here. We’re now just a couple of orders away from our 700th enrollee. Want to help us reach that milestone? Sign up and (and get a $10 Distant Replays gift card in the bargain) here.
Raffle Reminder: Today’s the last day to enter the raffle for the free jersey from SoccerPro.com. Details for that are here. I’ll announce the winner tomorrow, plus I’ll have another raffle to announce on Friday, whoop-whoop.
Extracurricular Reminder: My “band” will be “playing” this Friday, 8pm, at Cabinet. Admission is free; beer will cost money. Hope to see some of you there.
Party Reminder: Spoke yesterday with MLB logo designer Jerry Dior, who confirmed that he’ll definitely being joining for the upcoming Uni Watch gathering, which will take place on January 24th, 2pm, at Sheep Station.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Luc Mbah a Moute’s NOB looked like this in college but now has a small cap for the “A” (with thanks to William Barrett). … Tremendous gallery of old South Carolina football program covers here (great find by Michael Orr). … When you think of Craig Biggio, you think of him wearing No. 7. But apparently that wasn’t always his number. … Jeff Ash reports that the Brewers have some uni-related promotions for the upcoming season: a Negro Leagues game against the Braves on July 25th (Milwaukee Bears vs. Atlanta Black Crackers) and a Hispanic-uni game against the Giants on June 27th (Cerveceros vs. Gigantes). … Want a baseball-themed cycling cap? Sure you do (with thanks to Chad B.). … Fifth graf of this story reads as follows: “Ovechkin will bring his magic bag of breakaway tricks to the 2009 Scotiabank NHL Fan Fav Breakaway Challenge as part of the 2009 Honda/NHL All-Star SuperSkills Competition in Montreal on Saturday, Jan. 24 at Bell Centre.” James Paterson notes, “Imagine how how short that sentence could have been if not for all the corprorate sponsorships.” … Good story from Hovan Patey, who writes: “On XM radio last week, Rob Dibble said he was initially called up during a Cincinnati road trip. When the Reds got to Montreal, it was discovered that his gray road jersey did not make the trip with him. Due to Marge Schott’s penny-pinching ways, rookies didn’t have extra jerseys (’cause who knew how long they would stay in the bigs), so there was no backup jersey. Dibble said they got a blue Expos road jersey that hadn’t yet been logoed and used twill letters to turn it into a makeshift gray Cincinnati road jersey. He said he pitched two or three times in the series and that it didn’t match with the rest of the team. What’s more, he said he still has the jersey, that it’s framed in his home, and that it’s one of the most interesting pieces of memorabilia he kept from his playing career.” Actually, according to Retrosheet, Dibble was called up (or at least made his first appearances) during a Cincy homestand, but he did pitch in Montreal several times a few weeks later. Too bad Dibble doesn’t work for ESPN anymore, but I’ll try to track him down. … Latest hockey team looking into an outdoor game: the Rochester Americans (with thanks to Terry Proctor). … Speaking of the Amerks, Terry also offers this: “Here’s the team photo of the 1967-68 AHL champion Rochester Americans. On the first day I worked for Ruby’s Sporting Goods (Sept. 1, 1967), my first assignment was to go to the lettering plant and pick up the Amerks’ new jerseys for that season. As a 20-year-old who had grown up worshipping the Maple Leaf-supplied Amerks I was in hog heaven. That’s a timeless uniform the Amerks are wearing. The simplicity of the style would go great today.” Agreed. … Mike Hersh sent along a ton of great old photos the other day. “Most of them are early Philadelphia hockey photos, from before the Flyers were even a thought. Lots of great jerseys and equipment. Also: two nice WHA New England Whalers photos of the Steve and Jack Carlson (aka the Hanson Brothers), a nice Hollywood Stars group shot, and an interesting photo of Eddie Andrews, who was the first black player to get a tryout with the New York Yankees in 1954.” Note that Andrews’s jersey has Charlie Silvera’s name chain-stitched into the shirttail. … Save water, shower with a friend (with thanks to Caleb Bentz). … Phil’s corner: Nice composite gallery here of HoFers in unfamiliar uniforms. … Benicio Del Toro wore a Trailblazers T-shirt on The Colbert Report recently. … Burger King and Houston’s tequila sunrise: two great tastes that taste great together.
#1 by BSmile on 01.14.09 8:37 am |
In that Eddie Andrews pic, it’s clearly Charlie Silvera’s name stiched into that jersey. (from 1951)
#2 by Paul Lukas on 01.14.09 8:40 am |
BSmile said:
You’re right! I’ll adjust the Ticker text. Thanks.
#3 by Dane on 01.14.09 8:41 am |
The comics page providing some logo-related Red Sox bashing:
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#4 by Glen on 01.14.09 9:16 am |
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#5 by Mike on 01.14.09 9:20 am |
While at the Caps game last night I picked up two pieces of odd uni related information:
1- the Edmonton goalie (Roloston) had on gray socks, not the team striped socks, or even white socks like Caps goalie Brent Johnson wears.
2- Ovechkin has his number 8 on a small pad that comes out of his pants (breezers) in the small of his back. Nobody else has their number on that pad….
Of course, no pictures, forgot my camera…sorry
#6 by floormaster squeeze on 01.14.09 9:28 am |
I have always liked the Astros “H Star” hat. That is all.
#7 by Randy Miller on 01.14.09 9:32 am |
Memory tells me that the Marquette untucked look was imitated by some small-college teams in that era. The one I remember would be Paul Quinn College, a black NAIA power, in the early 1980s. Sports Illustrated featured them in a December 1980 issue, which would be the only likely photo source.
Paul Quinn was located in Waco then, but is now in Dallas.
#8 by Stuby on the Blackberry on 01.14.09 9:33 am |
So, I guess the Giants will put the GIGANTES on their road grays for the game in Milwaukee. They’ve previously only worn that moniker on the home jerseys. I’m also curious whether they’ll use the road jersey font, which would look a bit strange.
My guess is they will use the home font on the road jersey.
#9 by Mike on 01.14.09 9:34 am |
Going through the Pitsburgh Pirates schedule and I see on July 26 they are doing “Heritage Day” against the KC Royals. The giveaway is a Homstead Grays hat which leads me to believe it must be the Negro League throwback game.
#10 by Nick on 01.14.09 9:34 am |
Were the Evansville (last-of-the) sleeved basketball jerseys untucked? I kinda thought they were …..
#11 by Matthew on 01.14.09 9:38 am |
Regarding the TV numbers, Virginia Tech did have them on their sleeves during the Michael Vick days.
http://www.faniq.com...(13).png
#12 by Mike on 01.14.09 9:38 am |
Pirates also have a “1979 Celebration” weekend on the schedule with a pillbox hat giveaway….maybe we’ll get to see the bumblebees?
#13 by Natron on 01.14.09 9:40 am |
I believe Uni Watch may have made the Jeopardy EXP game today.
Under the category “Make Your Pitch”, the question is “A December 2008 ESPN.com article said that this 6′7″ 290 lb. lefty will have the most stripes in Yankees history”…
Here is the game, and here is the article.
#14 by Beardface on 01.14.09 9:46 am |
Matthew said:
We’ve always had TV numbers except for the few games this year we did not wear the throwbacks.
And from what I’m hearing, come June it’ll be announced that we’ll be wearing “throwbacks” (I put that in “” because they won’t be throwbacks anymore) full time, with the addition of maroon and possibly orange versions to wear at home.
#15 by Lomion on 01.14.09 9:46 am |
Natron said:
That reminds me of an ad campaign Jeopardy did a few months ago, where they had, for example, Julius Caesar saying “I ruled most of the known world, but I really knew I’d made it on March 4th, 1999,” then they’d cut to a clip of a Jeopardy contestent saying “Who is Julius Caesar.” Now Paul can have his very own one of those!
#16 by Nick on 01.14.09 9:51 am |
TRYING TO GET A BIT OF WFL CHATTER GOING ….
I loved the WFL – watched every WEDNESDAY NIGHT game shown on TV, loved the different guest TV announcer in the booth along with the regular crew each week. The singular team names, the ACTION POINT (no kicked extra points-you went for ONE POINT by running or passing it in!) the second-chance NFL guys like Big Ben Davidson (he wore his old Raiders helmet painted over with the original bent-up AFL facemask) and Gary Collins and Don Maynard and Georger Sauer and KING CORCORAN !!!, the young QBs like Gary McAshan and Tony Adams and Gary Valbuena ….. What’s not to like !!! I still miss it !!!
The unis were FRESH and great for the times, a bit wild with the So. Cal Sun but so what – they had Pat Haden, Daryl Lamonica and Anthony Davis (A.D. !!!) – and the WFL unis were better than alot of the crap we see today. Loved the EXTRA WIDE helmet stripes on some of the teams.
I have a protoype WFL jersey that is a true PINK with black and white stripes in their regular stripe template.
I also have a MAGENTA So.Cal Sun jersey and a White Philly Bell jersey – both team issued but never had a NOB – both well worn, probably for practice. Got them on EBAY from a guy that had a connection to the Detroit Wheels. The Philly Bell blue numbers were a bit lighter than true basic blue, but not baby blue. The So. Cal Sun is exactly as pictured. All are made by SandKnit, and all DO NOT have double material on the shoulders, and instead have single layer material for the shoulders, similar to my high school Sandknit jersey from that era. Curious that a Pro league would do that.
GREATEST WFL MEMORY – Big John Matuzak being led away from the Astrodome field in his Houston Texans uniform by the cops after he jumped from the Oilers to the Texans MID-CONTRACT (with years still to go on his Houston Oilers rokkie contract) and the Oilers went to court and got a judge to issue an injunction on the spot that he couldn’t play or even be on the sidelines with the Texans. I believe it was the Texans’ first Astrodome home game.
The expression on the Tuz’s face when the cops came said it all – I saw it on a wire-photo, a great photo, that I remember vividly to this day.
#17 by Travis on 01.14.09 9:56 am |
The University of Michigan men’s basketball team will honor the 20th anniversary of the 1989 national championship at halftime of the Ohio State game this saturday. According to this link (http://www.mgoblue.c...):
In honor of the national championship team, the 2008-09 Wolverines will wear dark blue replica jerseys specially designed by adidas for the national championship 20-year anniversary. The game-worn jerseys will be auctioned to the public starting at 8 a.m. on Wednesday, Jan. 14, until 5 p.m. on Tuesday, Jan. 20. Please go to MGoBlue.com and click on Michigan Online Auctions for details.
#18 by Mark W on 01.14.09 10:00 am |
On XM, Rob is the co-host, along with former Texas Rangers and Boston Red Sox manager Kevin Kennedy, of The Show. The Show can be reached at: theshow@xmradio.com – I’m sure they’d have you on, Paul – they have a lot of hours to fill.
#19 by War Damn Eagle on 01.14.09 10:12 am |
In that Astros/Burger King commercial, is that Phil Garner, sans mustache? Awesome.
#20 by War Damn Eagle on 01.14.09 10:17 am |
Here’s what the Milwaukee Brewers wore in 2006 when they played a Milwaukee Bears throwback game.
http://brewcrew.mlbl...
http://farm4.static....
#21 by Jay on 01.14.09 10:20 am |
Benicio wore that shirt earlier in the day on the Howard Stern Show:
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#22 by LI Phil on 01.14.09 10:24 am |
see post #108 – i believe that was the first mention of cc in pins (granted, twas for the pants and not the full jersey)
i nominate messers. lukas and pearson for some kind of “you just got mentioned on this is jeopardy” prize…something or other…award-type thingy
/cool stuff
#23 by War Damn Eagle on 01.14.09 10:28 am |
Any ideas on what the Braves will wear for the Negro League game? The Bears only played 1 season: 1923, so I’m assuming those throwbacks are their only jersey. The Black Crackers played for 30+ years. The only jerseys I’ve found are a 1932 uni and a 1940 uni.
1932:
http://www.clpspecia...
1940:
http://www.clpspecia...
#24 by War Damn Eagle on 01.14.09 10:32 am |
Here’s a 1938 Black Crackers cap:
http://www.dugout-me...
#25 by Stuby on the Blackberry on 01.14.09 10:33 am |
Seeing Smoltz in a Red Sox cap is just weird.
#26 by josh's twin on 01.14.09 10:42 am |
floormaster squeeze said:
I also always like the “H Star” hats, which made the retina searing teqilla sunrise, beach towel unis that much harder to take. Today it reminds me of the AZ Cardinals, who have one of the best helmets in the NFL on top of truly embarassing unis. Do people have examples of other teams that have awesome elements in otherwise awful uniforms?
#27 by Duck on 01.14.09 10:50 am |
Beardface said:
I can’t wait to see you in that throwback. Haven’t we gone over this calling your favorite team “we” stuff before? No offense to you personally, it’s just a big pet peeve of mine.
#28 by LI Phil on 01.14.09 10:51 am |
josh’s twin said:
possibly
#29 by Stuby on 01.14.09 10:52 am |
josh’s twin said:
A lot of college football teams have this dilemma. Miami, Missouri, Arkansas and Georgia Tech among others have good, classic helmet designs combined with awful uniforms.
#30 by Stuby on 01.14.09 10:57 am |
Smoltzie with the Sox gear:
http://d.yimg.com/us...
#31 by Chad on 01.14.09 10:58 am |
burger king is also an islanders fan http://www.youtube.c...
#32 by Johnny F. on 01.14.09 11:05 am |
Beardface said:
This, sir, makes this Hokie fan very happy.
#33 by Duck on 01.14.09 11:06 am |
josh’s twin said:
Definitely a Pandora’s Box question there. I could probably find at least some endearing part of every horrible uni. For instance, I hate everyhting about the Patriots unis: silver helmets and red number outlining, yuck. But they do wear soem awesome white striped socks white the away unis. And to go along with what you said abotu the Cardinals, I’d say the exact same thing for the Falcons, I love the logo and helmet, hate everything else.
#34 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 11:07 am |
Stuby said:
I would actually prefer the MIZZOU Tiger head logo on th helmet as opposed to the block M.
http://www.945thex.c...
http://blogg.visir.i...
And Cincinatti MUST be included in this list:
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#35 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 11:08 am |
MPowers1634 said:
College and Pro:
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#36 by Matt Brosseau on 01.14.09 11:17 am |
Chad said:
Also sported in that video are Blue Jackets and Mavericks jerseys.
#37 by Stuby on 01.14.09 11:19 am |
Matt Brosseau said:
I believe I also saw a Seals hockey jersey in there. I don’t think I can bring myself to watch it again, though.
#38 by Ben on 01.14.09 11:19 am |
Another untucked jersey… UNC Women’s Basketball during their 1994 championship year. Charlotte Smith hitting the game winning shot here
#39 by Kevin Z. on 01.14.09 11:20 am |
Hey Paul,
I clicked on the link for The Forewords page and saw a link to your bio. It says you appeared on Conan O’Brien. Just curious what you talked about when you went on. This was pre-Uni Watch, I believe. Was one appearance for your book?
#40 by LI Phil on 01.14.09 11:27 am |
Stuby said:
tarheels t-shirt too, when the king is doing things to the ladybug on the couch…
#41 by Jonathan Sluss on 01.14.09 11:29 am |
Beardface said:
It’s about time, I have been hoping for those to become permanent for quite some time now. Far better than the joke Nike gave us last year
#42 by Matthew on 01.14.09 11:44 am |
Anyone else notice the Sacramento Kings have started wearing black shoes and socks at home lately?
I saw the highlight on Sportscenter then checked the website and it looks like they’ve done it the past few games.
I like this look.
#43 by Paul Lukas on 01.14.09 11:46 am |
Kevin Z. said:
I appeared on Conan in Sept. of 1996 (Andy’s wife was a big fan of my zine) and again in Feb. of 1997 (just after my book came out). In both cases, I brought along lots of funny/interesting products that I discussed and demonstrated with Conan.
#44 by Lomion on 01.14.09 11:49 am |
Paul Lukas said:
Youtube please! Anyone? I know SOMEONE out there has a disturbingly vast archive of Conan videos…we just need to find him…
#45 by JOSH on 01.14.09 11:51 am |
whats up with the kentucky basketball jerseys? the K is in gray and the ENTUCKY is in white.
#46 by Chad on 01.14.09 11:55 am |
JOSH said:
here we go again
#47 by LI Phil on 01.14.09 11:56 am |
JOSH said:
here
#48 by Tim on 01.14.09 11:57 am |
Duck said:
I wonder if the OP is a Va Tech alum? Alums saying “we” in reference to the school team never bothered me and is kinda cool; after all, you put in your 4 years (in some case more) and you put in your tuition to go there. No one has a problem with the alum saying “we” in reference to past events i.e. “when I was there we had a great basketball team”, so what’s the big deal?
It’s the chuckleheads who use “we” in reference to the their favorite pro team that’s kinda silly. Then again, considering how much taxpayers usually get hosed in regards to tax breaks and sweetheart deals given to teams, I guess your tax dollars going to pay for a team’s stadium might make you feel like you’re a part of the team……
#49 by Chad on 01.14.09 12:02 pm |
Chad said:
just checked and this isn’t on the f.a.q. page. can this, the green dot and some others be added to it?
#50 by Lomion on 01.14.09 12:03 pm |
Tim said:
Man, if Eight Bucks for a beer doesn’t earn your collective possesion, I don’t know what does.
#51 by JOSH on 01.14.09 12:06 pm |
LI Phil said:
ok thanks. i forgot about that.
#52 by Eriq Jaffe on 01.14.09 12:07 pm |
Paul, you forgot the third Hanson brother (Jack), who was played by Dave Hanson.
#53 by Duck on 01.14.09 12:08 pm |
Tim said:
Sorry, but its the exact same thing. Saying “we” in regards to being alumi or a graduating class, or even “we” is in “we fans” etc, is fine. But if you’re specifically talking about the football team, I’m sorry, but “you” are no part of “we”. And it’s nto a big deal at all, just something that’s always irritated me. Sorry to be so far off the uni topic, I’m done.
#54 by PRC. on 01.14.09 12:43 pm |
Outdoor Games in California?
NHL exploring options for outdoor games… “The Las Vegas Strip, Yankee Stadium and California’s Rose Bowl…”
I’d be curious to see how the players would cope with sweat, etc. in temperatures far above the standard hockey rink.
Apparently there was a game in 1991 in Vegas between the Rangers and Kings – anyone able to dig up photos of this?
#55 by Christopher on 01.14.09 12:47 pm |
That Burger King commercial is rather strange. A baseball team and a burger joint teaming up to sell clothing? Say wha?
I get free giveaway promotions of hats and shirts. But these dudes were actually SELLING the gear.
#56 by Fursty on 01.14.09 12:48 pm |
Rice and Henderson at the Hall of Fame media conference had jerseys with “Hall of Fame” on them with Henderson’s arched and Rice’s straight.
http://web.baseballh...
Then they appeared on Letterman with the same jerseys.
#57 by Andy11 on 01.14.09 1:09 pm |
Duck said:
It’s not the same thing at all.
It’s fine to say “we” when you’re talking about your school’s team (if you’re an alumni of that school).
Like if I said, “we’re playing against Virgina Tech”. I actually mean that my school’s football team is playing VT’s football team. But my school’s football team represents my school, of which I am an alumni, and VT’s football team represents their school, so it’s fine to just say “we’re playing VT”.
If you take your logic further, then A-Rod couldn’t say “we hit 2 home runs today” if Jeter hit both of those home runs. Obviously he means “we” as in “we Yankees”. Would you say, “No, I’m sorry A-Rod, but you are not part of Jeter”?
I agree with you though, that you shouldn’t say “we” when you’re not a part of the organization or team that you’re claiming to be a part of.
technicalities…
#58 by Nick on 01.14.09 1:10 pm |
Nick said:
I really, really hope there isn\’t a southern Winter Classic anytime soon. The NHL\’s desperate attempts to make the warm-weather cities care about hockey, neglecting Canada and the U.S.\’s hockey-crazed cities, have been the biggest reason they\’ve tumbled from the public eye.
I\’m hoping the next Winter Classics are in New York, Boston, Minnesota or another Canadian city. How about the Wild and Canucks in the Twins\’ new park when that opens? Maybe the Stars could even let the Wild don the old \”N\” North Stars sweaters. Oh, wishful thinking…
#59 by The Oakville Endive on 01.14.09 1:15 pm |
Two quick points.
1. If not already done, I think it would be an interesting subject for uni-watch to review all the uniform creations that Marquette produced in the 1970’s – and to explore what was the thinking to do such radical changes on a regular basis
2. This is going back to a topic discussed a month ago or so, but those old Philadelphia pictures, and the hockey sticks the players used, reminded me that like most sports, hockey equipment has radically improved. There’s one exception that I can think of, where the equipment hasn’t evolved and that’s “field hockey” . Their sticks look like hockey sticks from the early 1900’s, so the players all look like they have bad backs having to run crouched over. Having just come back from living in Belgium, where you see more field hockey than ice hockey on television, it was painful in more ways than one.
#60 by odessa steps magazin on 01.14.09 1:16 pm |
Not sports, but uni-related.
RIP Patrick McGoohan, the man who gave us the Prisoner with a great costume ( http://newsimg.bbc.c... )and logo ( http://scifipulse.ne... )
#61 by Johnny O on 01.14.09 1:17 pm |
Was watching the “NFL’s Greatest Games” on the Deuce, and just wondered how long Sterling Sharpe had been wearing a helmet strap connected to his pads? Did that prevent whiplash or something? Finally, didn’t Sterling’s career end on a neck injury the very next year? (Please forgive if my memory is bad back in ‘93 and these questions have obvious answers…I was 10)
Here is a screen grab of the strap:
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#62 by Bird on 01.14.09 1:18 pm |
Check out that Rochester Americans photo again – can you find the future voice/fashionista of hockey?? Shocker that his sig is the largest!
#63 by Mike Engle on 01.14.09 1:21 pm |
Couple of uni nuggets in this here Bill Simmons mailbag.
#64 by Terri on 01.14.09 1:21 pm |
The Oakville Endive said:
Actually, field hockey sticks have changed A LOT since the early ninties. And it’s not painful for hockey players’ backs, cuz they know the proper way to play.
#65 by Geeman on 01.14.09 1:38 pm |
LI Phil said:
One would think Kentucky, as such a historical basketball power, would stick with a fairly traditional uniform design year in and year out, much like UCLA, whose uniform design (with the exception of alternates) apparently cannot be touched (and good thing too) and Indiana. But Kentucky has no semblance of uniform tradition, like the New York Yankees in baseball or Alabama or Michigan in college football. Kentucky, UCLA, Duke, Indiana, and North Carolina are the college basketball royalty — the Yanks of the sport. At least North Carolina and Duke have had fairly minor changes over the years (with one major or two exceptions).
#66 by Jeff on 01.14.09 1:43 pm |
FYI, for those interested in the Brewers’ 2009 Cerveceros or Milwaukee Bears uniforms from their Hispanic and Negro League tribute days, they’ll be auctioned off after those games. Based on past auctions, bidding likely will start at about $200 per jersey.
#67 by Geeman on 01.14.09 1:43 pm |
Marquette had home and away uniforms in ‘75-’76 that were solid in color (white at home, blue on the road). But the next year, when they won the national championship, they added another wrinkle to the uniforms — two-color — along with the untucked jerseys. They wore the same gold pants home and away. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that in college ball before.
http://i.cdn.turner....
No. 50 on the cover is Rich Yonachor. I was a kid when that cover came out. Fifteen years later he walked in off the street one cold winter night in North Carolina and into the same bar I was drinking at. Pretty cool.
#68 by Geeman on 01.14.09 1:45 pm |
I think the NCAA has a rule now that you can’t untuck your jersey. Wonder if this would apply if a team had jerseys like Marquette’s from 1977.
#69 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 1:46 pm |
Geeman said:
The most major of changes to the UNC uniform must have been those that were made to the Ed Cota/Joe Forte era:
http://graphics.fans...
#70 by Beardface on 01.14.09 1:47 pm |
Tim said:
Class of 2007, and considering the shit that entails, I’ll continue to use ‘we’ whenever I talk about VT in the future and people will just have to deal with it. He can continue on his high horse for all I care, doesn’t bother me a bit.
#71 by Kek on 01.14.09 1:47 pm |
Johnny O said:
I’m pretty sure the two are related. Sharpe’s career was cut short because of an injury and the strap was part of that. I think it was to keep his head up and stabilize it (I guess similar to the HANS device race car drivers wear).
I remember watching him go out to the coin toss with a ball cap on and his helmet hanging from the back strap and resting on his back. Thought that was a unique look.
#72 by Geeman on 01.14.09 1:52 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
Same design as the previous year, just a different name on the front of the jersey (Nike’s idea — go figure).
#73 by Teebz on 01.14.09 1:53 pm |
PRC. said:
That game had its share of problems. You can read all about them in this NY Times piece.
For some reason, pictures are nearly impossible to find. I’m hunting right now, but coming up with nothing.
#74 by Chad on 01.14.09 1:55 pm |
Kek said:
something that thurman thomas could’ve used
#75 by Johnny O on 01.14.09 1:56 pm |
Kek said:
So the career ending injury he sustained in that 49ers game was because of that strap? Did any other players wear it?
#76 by Kek on 01.14.09 1:59 pm |
Johnny O said:
My bad (as soon as I read my post I realized it came out wrong).
As I recall, Sharpe had a pre-existing neck/spinal injury which was why he wore the strap. He was later reinjured despite the protection and the doctors advised him to call it quits.
I don’t remember any other player wearing that strap and was under the impression it was something that the Packers’ equipment manager created specifically for Sharpe.
#77 by Jonathan Sluss on 01.14.09 2:03 pm |
Beardface said:
Beardface, I agree, I’m a 2007 Tech Grad myself, there is no more of a ‘we’ feeling then goes along with being at Tech that year. Everyone’s a Hokie not a Hokie football player, or a Hokie Basketball player or a Hokie Student, just a Hokie.
#78 by Johnny F. on 01.14.09 2:04 pm |
Maybe you all already know this, but I just read the Miami Heat have 2 jersey numbers retired.
1) #23 for Michael Jordan (Bull and Wizard)
2)#13 for Dan Marino (Football player)
HUH?
#79 by Flip on 01.14.09 2:07 pm |
column about Marquette’s untucked jerseys.
http://vault.sportsi...
#80 by Johnny O on 01.14.09 2:11 pm |
Kek said:
I getcha Kek. That makes sense now. Thanks for the input.
#81 by Marc M. on 01.14.09 2:13 pm |
Speaking of untucked jerseys, it seems more and more NFL players don’t tuck in. Most visible when they dive or are tackled, you see midsection. Goes along with the “shorts” alot of NFLers wear instead of football pants past the knee. Just more evidence of the fall of Western Civilization.
#82 by Eric on 01.14.09 2:14 pm |
Stuby on the Blackberry said:
Not neccesary, since their roadies are ALWAYS written in Spanish. Perhaps they could put “Saint Francis” just to be contrary . . .
#83 by Geeman on 01.14.09 2:18 pm |
Marc M. said:
Which is weird, because the tight-fitted, shorter look is in in football, but not basketball or baseball, where big and baggy rules.
#84 by Geeman on 01.14.09 2:21 pm |
Geeman said:
Funny that you mention this, because I was just going to say that I remember, as a kid, watching the Marquette-Notre Dame game on NBC one Sunday where the players did a uniform runway stroll before the game. Notre Dame had, I think, a blue/gold/green polo-type warmup shirt with a big shamrock and colors on it.
#85 by Geeman on 01.14.09 2:37 pm |
There is a web site devoted to Notre Dame’s football uniform history, but I haven’t seen anything on basketball, which is disappointing because there is a lot there, especially from Digger Phelps’ years. The Irish have worn gold, old gold, highlighter yellow, green, navy blue, royal blue, white, and (recently) even black uniforms over the years. I am fond of the late 1970s green/gold/blue combinations, which even went down to their Adidas sneakers and their sweatbands.
#86 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 2:40 pm |
Johnny O said:
Dolphin great Nick Bouniconti’s son wore a similar device, while playing at The Citadel and is now paralyzed because of injury he suffered while wearing it.
http://query.nytimes...
#87 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 2:42 pm |
Geeman said:
The same year that the Heels made that change, Michigan did the same. I recall Jamal Crawford wearing it:
http://www.ibiblio.o...
#88 by Geeman on 01.14.09 2:47 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
More Nike nonsense — though, of course, UNC did actually wear that jersey years ago (perhaps Michigan did the same) and UNC did make the Final Four that year.
#89 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 2:47 pm |
I LOVED those Michigan unis, so here’s another pic:
http://images.usatod...
#90 by adrian on 01.14.09 2:49 pm |
Clemson untucked
#91 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 2:55 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
Here is the story from SI back on July 25th 1988:
http://vault.sportsi...
#92 by adrian on 01.14.09 2:55 pm |
Lady Gamecocks untucked
#93 by Geeman on 01.14.09 2:56 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
One letter away from being Oregon’s uniform this year (no school name on the jersey)
However, Michigan has had great uniforms the last few years.
#94 by Duck on 01.14.09 2:57 pm |
Andy11 said:
You’re 100% right. It works for A-Rod because…..you guessed it, he’s actually on the team(”we”).
#95 by Jere on 01.14.09 3:01 pm |
Dane said:
Just so everyone knows, that’s not “Red Sox bashing.” The comic strip, “Get Fuzzy,” is about a Red Sox fan whose pet cat annoys him by being a Yankee fan despite not really knowing anything about baseball.
#96 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 3:02 pm |
Kek,
Here is a pic of the Sterling Sharpe helmet/neck strap:
http://webzoom.freew...
#97 by Nick on 01.14.09 3:10 pm |
Jere said:
Just like real Yankees fans!
… That was too easy. I apologize.
#98 by Johnny O on 01.14.09 3:11 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
What, Matt? My pic in the post wasn’t good enough?
http://i147.photobuc...
Just kidding, of course.
And, I probably should have checked into the Uni Watch world, because Paul mentioned this strap last April in his ESPN article. Paul rounded up these great pics:
http://espn.go.com/p...
http://espn.go.com/p...
Full article here:
http://proxy.espn.go...
#99 by Johnny O on 01.14.09 3:14 pm |
Johnny O said:
Or maybe I should read more carefully and notice that Paul’s Year In Review article was from ‘06, not last year… my bad.
#100 by BDiamond on 01.14.09 3:17 pm |
Rays officially unveil new alternate today.
Link:
http://blogs.tampaba...
Image:
http://img66.imagesh...
#101 by LI Phil on 01.14.09 3:23 pm |
BDiamond said:
even though the dark blue (which looks almost identical to the BP) alt was no secret, i was wondering if they would ever consider this instead…not that they need ANY alternates tho
#102 by Duck on 01.14.09 3:26 pm |
BDiamond said:
I guess that’s pretty much par for the course. But at least they kept the placket piping form the other jerseys. Although I think white would have looked a little better than the light blue. I heart this look.
http://exhibits.base...
#103 by buckeyes on 01.14.09 3:30 pm |
I am pretty sure no one posted Tennessee’s Wayne Chism was wearing our favorite socks again last night. . . http://www.utsports.... pic 21
#104 by warren thompson on 01.14.09 3:40 pm |
Has the NCAA, since Marquette wore them, now prohibited “bumblebee-striped” uniforms?
#105 by mmwatkin on 01.14.09 3:42 pm |
BDiamond said:
They should have made it sky blue (or whatever they call it) with navy piping and keep the navy hat.
I think that would look sharp
#106 by RickMD on 01.14.09 3:49 pm |
The AL East is becoming the Blue Division. The O’s are the only team that dosen’t have a blue uniform. They are just feeling blue.
I like the new Rays uni’s (last year), but in a division with the historicaly blue Yankees, the blue accented Red Sox and the officially named Blue Jays (even though they probably have the least amount of blue in the uni’s, go figure), you would think the Rays would have found a color to set themselves apart. Like green for example ;)
#107 by fran fried on 01.14.09 3:58 pm |
Geeman said:
If I’m not mistaken, aren’t Michigan’s state highway markers diamonds with the M at the top and the route number beneath? Sorry, mixing my sports uni and road geekdoms …
#108 by fran fried on 01.14.09 3:58 pm |
Re: The Rochester Amerks’ team photo: Wasn’t Grapes a little underdressed for the occasion?
#109 by JTH on 01.14.09 4:00 pm |
Geeman said:
Nike also made a fashion statement when they supplied IU’s unis. Nothing as drastic as UNC or U of M — just a small interlocking IU logo on the collar (which was also changed to a V-neck during Nike’s tenure)
#110 by JTH on 01.14.09 4:04 pm |
The South Carolina women’s teams are called the Lady Gamecocks? That can’t be right.
#111 by Sam Allison on 01.14.09 4:04 pm |
Two views of WVU wearing untucked jerseys in the late 70s
http://www.msnsports...
http://www2.msnsport...
#112 by Josh Petty on 01.14.09 4:04 pm |
There’s also a rumor floating around that the Peoria (Illinois) Rivermen (St. Louis’ AHL affiliate), is also considering an attempt at a Winter Classic. They’d be using O’Brien Field in Peoria, home of the Peoria Chiefs (Cubs’ Single-A Midwest League Affiliate; Where Ryne Sandburg managed last season).
http://www.pjstar.co...
#113 by LI Phil on 01.14.09 4:15 pm |
JTH said:
true…by definition a gamecock is a type of rooster…and thus…the phrase is oxymoronic
nevertheless, they are the lady gamecocks
#114 by The Hemogoblin on 01.14.09 4:34 pm |
LI Phil said:
It’s kind of like how in Russian, vagina literally translates to “woman’s penis”.
Anyways, I’m sure this comment’s going to get me reprimanded…
#115 by scott on 01.14.09 4:39 pm |
LI Phil said:
They should have done something more interesting, like making the Pelicans jersey a permanent alt.
#116 by Jim MI on 01.14.09 4:42 pm |
Teebz said:
That game was on the NHL Network not too long ago. Watched the whole thing. Pretty funny seeing an ice surface in the middle of Vegas. It was a preseason game, so that might be the reason for the lack of pictures.
#117 by John from north of Cincinnati on 01.14.09 4:50 pm |
Hadn’t heard of the Spalding Guide collection online at the Library of Congress — thanks for the info!
And, from the 1915 Guide, pages 14/15, under the heading “A Matter of Color”, there’s a piece that begins, “Now and then there are some who think that the present day uniform should have more color than it does.” Then it describes a uniform concept — from 1882! — that sounds like what the WFL tried many years later: uniform colors by position.
Piece begins here and ends here.
#118 by Beardface on 01.14.09 4:51 pm |
BDiamond said:
Yep… just as I thought… They look like UNC’s dark blue alternates…
#119 by Tony Miller on 01.14.09 5:04 pm |
Andy11 said:
How’d you pull that off? Schizophrenia?
#120 by Jim McCue on 01.14.09 5:07 pm |
While looking for an old shot of Pepperdine to see if Dennis Johnson was ever untucked in his one year in Malibu, I came across this NCAA program cover featuring an untucked ASU team playing Arizona. The program is from 1976, so I assume that the game shown is from the 1975-76 season.
http://img.photobuck...
#121 by u2-horn on 01.14.09 5:15 pm |
Tony Miller said:
What is most important criteria for being an alumni?
#122 by Sammy on 01.14.09 5:17 pm |
LI Phil said:
As a Uni Watcher, that makes sense. As a college student, that’s not what I was thinking…Lady Gamecocks, heh.
Mike Engle said:
Q: If Jerome James swapped numbers with Quentin Richardson, how long would it take for his No. 23 to become the best-selling NBA jersey?
-Ty, Huntsville, Ala.
SG: Two days. And it’s amazing the Knicks haven’t thought of this yet.
No kidding.
#123 by LI Phil on 01.14.09 5:19 pm |
u2-horn said:
i think his point is that “alumni” is plural…one would be AN alumnus or an alumna
lets move on
#124 by Sammy on 01.14.09 5:21 pm |
Sammy said:
Being more than one person: [a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumnus\"]Wikipedia[/a]
Alumnus=male
Alumna=female
Alumni=plural
#125 by JTH on 01.14.09 5:29 pm |
u2-horn said:
Well played.
Moving on…
Uh, Game Hens?
#126 by Ben on 01.14.09 5:30 pm |
Anyone interested in cycling jerseys?
http://i113.photobuc...
Also, I was reading about a basketball game my old high school played and I noticed that if they had names on their jerseys, there would be a few interesting ones.
Here is the roster:
Evans St. Juste
Darien Willis
Robert McKinnon
Steven Glowiak
Tebucky Jones Jr.
Quashan Moore
Darius Watson
Tarik Hightower
Raheem McKinley
#127 by M. W. on 01.14.09 5:52 pm |
J Peterman Football Jerseys. Didn’t know if anyone had seen these yet. I might grab one for that price :)
http://jpeterman.com...
#128 by Nick on 01.14.09 5:55 pm |
Where pizza chain logos besides Domino’s considered for the Mets’ Inaugural Season 2009 patch? Maybe.
#129 by Nick on 01.14.09 5:56 pm |
uh, that’s “were” not “where”
#130 by Squiddie on 01.14.09 6:02 pm |
There’s also alumnae which is the plural of alumna.
Gotta change the subject…
Richard Nixon kicks a soccer ball (Ecuador)
#131 by jc on 01.14.09 6:07 pm |
i mean, yes , carolina’a womens teams are the lady gamecocks (or shortened to lady cocks) but delawares teams (all, not just womens) are the blue hens…toledo’s minor league team is the mud hens…and technically, if we went with feminine terms for lady’s teams, all bulldogs teams names would be…well, inapropriate as hell
#132 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 7:54 pm |
mmwatkin said:
I agree!
#133 by MPowers1634 on 01.14.09 7:56 pm |
Johnny O said:
Sorry, Johnny…I totally missed your pics which are MUCH better than the one I found. Good catch!
#134 by Dane on 01.14.09 8:14 pm |
When they started having analysts “between the benches” for hockey telecasts, it was a good addition to the broadcasts. It appears to have run its course, though. During the first period of tonight’s Capitals/Penguins game, FSN Pittsburgh analyst Bob Errey gave a fascinating report on how Sidney Crosby skips the second eyelet when he laces up his skates.
#135 by Jeff P on 01.14.09 8:35 pm |
Dane said:
Well, they’re local. The home fans have heard all the important stuff before…
#136 by Paul Lukas on 01.14.09 9:02 pm |
Dane said:
Details, please. Seriously!
#137 by JTH on 01.14.09 9:20 pm |
jc said:
The Delaware blue hen is the name of a breed of chicken, not a specific reference to the female. Male blue hens are not called blue cocks.
Not sure about the mud hen, but I believe the same is true.
Bullbitches? I kinda think some teams would embrace that as a nickname.
#138 by Kek on 01.14.09 9:57 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
Paul, I’ve been watching the game muted because i was listening to Pitt basketball on the radio (stupid comcast, no ESPN-U!).
I didn’t hear Errey’s comments, but once the game is over, I’ll rewind and try and get a transcription for you
#139 by Patrick in MI on 01.14.09 10:11 pm |
fran fried said:
Hello fellow roadgeek. You are correct, here is a good link for you. I always assumed UofM got their inspiration from the road signs.
http://www.michiganh...
#140 by Johnny O on 01.14.09 10:17 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
No worries, Matt. Hope you got my “sarcasm tags” from my post though. It’s currently -20F here in Janesville, WI, so maybe the sarcasm tags were frozen! It was almost a year ago I sat in -30F weather for about 5 hours at Lambeau Field only to see the Pack lose to the G-Men…bad memories for me.
#141 by =bg= on 01.14.09 11:42 pm |
I always thought those untucked turquoise Marquette jerseys were TOO cool.
#142 by aflfan on 01.14.09 11:58 pm |
Eriq Jaffe said:
The Wings drafted all three of the Hansens
#143 by aflfan on 01.15.09 12:10 am |
Geeman said:
Yes, as some one who works college basketball games it is a rule that they must be tucked in. Slows the game up during every dead ball as everyone is told by the refs to tuck their jerseys in.
#144 by Silver Salmon on 01.15.09 12:37 am |
Lots of women’s teams went untucked in the 1970s and early 1980s.
I remember seeing photos of Valdosta State and Mercer, who were two powers in the AIAA era.
Locally, we went untucked in the early 1980s and boy were they ugly.
A poorer school, Atkinson County kept the same uniforms for about 25 years. They are also the last sleeved team I saw in the flesh.
Those types are now illegal in Georgia high school play. They force the players to keep them tucked in at all times. I hate it.
#145 by Kek on 01.15.09 1:12 am |
Paul Lukas said:
Sorry, it was part of the replay boadcast that was cut out.
#146 by Aram on 01.15.09 1:21 am |
MPowers1634 said:
I loved the shorts from that template. Still have two pairs of the Michigan shorts I wear to play ball. The jerseys, however, were pretty awful.