The Los Angeles Public Library has a really good photo archive focusing on the history of L.A. and Southern California. Many of those photos are now available on the web (to access them, go here and choose “Photo Collection” from the left rail). Of course, weeding out all the uni-notable photos from such a large collection would take a long time. Fortunately, reader Zac Neubauer has already done a lot of the work for us. Here are some of the pics he’s found, plus a few more that I added into the mix:
• This is USC baseball coach Sam Crawford, circa 1935. Never seen that logo before — did they drop the “U” so the logo would match Crawford’s initials?
• Penguins on a baseball uniform! According to the caption: “Film stars Dale Evans and Roy Rogers work out with members of the Chilly Willy team of the Sherman Oaks Little League in preparation for NBC’s coast-to-coast ‘Salute to Baseball’ telecast, 1956.”
• Not sure why an L.A. photo collection would include a shot of Satchell Paige in an Astros uniform, but whatever — great find. I assume the “A” is just folded under a flap of fabric.
• Love this fire department football team, circa 1930. Did Riddell make those helmets?
• Check out this awesome helmet cart photo. Caption: “The one and only Pom-Pom Mom, Phyllis Wanger, salutes the crowd, August 8, 1978.” Hmmm, Wagner sounds like someone we need to learn more about, but a bit of preliminary googling has revealed nothing. Anyone..?
• Dig those Chargers T-shirts! That’s Jim Sears, Howie Ferguson, and Ron Waller, plus a fourth player who appears to have been literally painted out of the photo.
• The archive features lots of shots of Jackie Robinson, beginning with this photo, which shows him suited up for his high school baseball team (again, they’ve painted on fellow out of the frame). Other images show him punting and running for UCLA (note the excellent bear sleeve patch and all the seams and panels along the shoulders — similar to today’s modern tailoring), plus there’s a shot of him on the UCLA hoops squad.
• Everyone knows Sid Gillman always wore a bow tie — it’s even on his Hall of Fame bust. So I was surprised to see several shots of Gillman in an open collar (here’s another; the other guy is George Allen, who appears to be wearing turf shoes!) or even — brace yourself — a conventional necktie (that’s Gillman at upper-right).
• Never seen this before: Magic in a Raiders tee!
• I have a feeling many of you knew this already, but it was news to me that Reggie Miller wore a T-shirt under his jersey at UCLA.
• Gorgeous bowling shirts here and here.
• Cool photo here of Larry Dierker. Caption: “Larry Dierker, former Taft High pitching ace who was signed and went directly to major league baseball with the Houston Astros, exhibits his form for some of the West Valley Little League ball players at Franklin Field in Encino, 1965.”
• Ever wonder what the Dodgers’ uniforms would look like if they were sponsored by 7-Up? Me neither, but here it is anyway, circa 1959.
• Look at at the bizarre collar/placket design for the kids on the left. Never seen that before.
• ANd hey, it turns out the trend toward long baseball pants started a lot earlier than we thought.
Uni Watch News Ticker: NBA teams playing on Xmas Day will be wearing a snowflake patch. Here’s a closer look. … Major news buried within this article on the NFL staff layoffs. Key passage: “According to one league source, there have even been discussions by some owners about the possibility of putting corporate logos on uniform jerseys, à la NASCAR and European soccer. That isn’t expected to happen anytime soon because many of the league’s longtime owners, like the Bills’ Ralph Wilson and the Steelers’ Dan Rooney, would never agree to it. But it’s a good possibility down the road” (with thanks to Jon Cannella). … Meanwhile, the death of capitalism is also forcing many minor league baseball teams to cut back on uniforms. The pertinent bits begin with the third graf of this story (with thanks to Stan Olechowski). … No Mas prexy Chris Isenberg has a good interview here with playwright Itamar Moses, who wrote the baseball production Back Back Back. … Here’s Hank Aaron in a different kind of uniform (with thanks to Frank Hanney). … Check this out: sleeves vs. sleeves! That’s Abilene Christian in white, hosting Arkansas State, circa 1968 (great find by Tim Perkins). … David Sonny attended Reds Fest the other day and snapped a shot of this team suitcase. … The Caps had to dress an emergency goalie on Friday, which led to an unusual mask appearing on the ice. Details here (with thanks to Damon Hirschensohn). … Wow, the new Asian Football Confederation Champions League logo is pretty damn cool (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm, who also reports that the 2009 BJ League all-star uniforms are not cool at all — ugh). … Color-on-color alert: Xavier vs. Cincy on Saturday night. … Dolce & Gabbana have designed the latest edition of the maglia rosa, awarded to the General Classification leader at the Giro d’Italia (with thanks to Nolan Brett). … Great find by Jay Braiman, who came up with two exmaples of the Jets wearing their 1978 helmets with their 1977 jerseys during the ’78 preseason. … Several Maryland players wore Under Armour sneakers on Friday night (with thanks to Jose Frontanes). … FC Barcelona has added a new logo to their uniform. Details here, and you can see the logo in action here (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Brinke Guthrie sent along scans of three drawings he did back around 1974, when he was 14 years old, and these cool medallions, which he says date back to 1971, plus he came across a trove of old pocket schedules, which he’s uploaded here. … More on the Colts/Giants 1958 title game, including some tremendous illustrations, here (with thanks to JC Helf). … Aussie rules football note from Drew Douglas who reports that the North Melbourne Kangaroos has a new clash strip, whatever that is. … Get this: The RPI hockey roster features the Angers-Goulet brothers, Alex and Matt, both of whose NOBs are visible in this photo (with thanks to, appropriately enough, Aaron Kaufman-Moore). … Erich vonNida is a St. Louis police officer who says he needed a relaxing hobby and decided to take up painting. He’s been focusing on sports logos. “I know they are far from the best, but I have been inspired by some of the recent DIYers on your site,” writes Erich (whose surname would make for an interesting NOB). … Color-on-color hockey alert: Bowling Green vs. Notre Dame (with thanks to Brian Wysocki). … First Brandi Chastain, now this: Roma soccer player Mirko Vucinic celebrates a game-winning goal by removing his jersey and shorts and running around in his underwear. And yet soccer somehow fails to catch on in America (with thanks to David Fabrizi).
#1 by Erich on 12.15.08 7:25 am |
Thanks for featuring me in the Ticker Paul! And yes, vonNida does make a great NOB, depending on the capitalization.
#2 by hockeyguy on 12.15.08 7:27 am |
Figure this one out, I’m up all night typing away at a research paper and then realize that Uni Watch is on eastern time so I check it and open the RPI picture and the kid in the middle, Brutlag, was a high school teammate of mine. Small world eh?
#3 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 8:12 am |
LI Phil said:
BJ=basketball japan? (i hope)
#4 by chiarams on 12.15.08 8:18 am |
On the picture of Satchel Paige – what’s the hat he’s wearing? That’s not an Astros hat they ever wore on the field, is it?
#5 by Lee on 12.15.08 8:29 am |
This snowflake patch is a blasephemy, it is another example of the secular humanists war on Christmas, I for one will not stand idly by and allow this abomination to trample the hallowed traditions of the Christmas Holiday season and pro basketball, the one sport truly invented in America.
-Bill O’Reilly
#6 by Nick on 12.15.08 8:29 am |
no discussion of the new Red Sox uniforms?
#7 by Bob on 12.15.08 8:29 am |
“Everyone knows Sid Gillman always wore a bow tie — it’s even on his Hall of Fame bust. So I was surprised to see several shots of Gillman in an open collar (here’s another; the other guy is George Allen, who appears to be wearing turf shoes!) or even — brace yourself — a conventional necktie (that’s Gillman at upper-right).”
Not always. I don’t think Gillman wore his bow ties in Houston at the end of his career. I’ve got the 1974 NFL season highlight film on DVD (as part of the NFL’s Super Bowl Highlights DVD set) and Gillman wore a ratty nylon jacket with no tie at least in the season finale in the Astrodome.
#8 by elliott on 12.15.08 8:31 am |
A clash jersey [/guernsey] is worn in Aussie rules when two teams jerseys clash (ie, colours are the same).
So, say a green team plays a red team, both would wear their home jerseys.
But say a blue and white striped team (such as the Kangas – http://www.realfooty...), play another blue and white hoops team (such as Geelong – http://cache.gettyim...), one team wears a clash jersey.
It’s quite rare that they are worn (and some older teams refuse to wear them, which is very petty), but my team Adelaide wear them quite frequently now.
POSA!
#9 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 8:31 am |
Nick said:
here
#10 by JTH on 12.15.08 8:43 am |
JTH said:
Which one’s Manny? He looked a hell of a lot different as a kid.
#11 by Liz on 12.15.08 8:44 am |
Looks like Phyllis Wanger was some sort of mother figure for the Rams’ cheerleaders. She made it into SI’s 1980 year in sports recap: http://vault.sportsi...
#12 by Jared on 12.15.08 8:52 am |
Good writer, but his fashion sense may be a little wack…
SI’s Peter King in today’s MMQB Column: Best new uniforms in the league this year: the all-red jobs of the Texans. Bob McNair should make them Houston’s home unis.
#13 by Kevin G. on 12.15.08 8:56 am |
Liz said:
Yeah, I tend to remember an older lady being a “member” of the LA Rams cheerleading squad in the late 70’s. That must have been her.
#14 by Peter on 12.15.08 9:08 am |
It looks like the 1980 Saints (who started 0-14…finished 1-15) may be off the hook for worst start EVER in NFL history…Lions, can you hit that 26 game losing streak….
#15 by scott on 12.15.08 9:28 am |
Lee said:
At least you didn’t X out Christ’s name in your comment.
#16 by Mike H on 12.15.08 9:33 am |
I had no idea that Trotsky once played for the Chargers.
#17 by Brad on 12.15.08 9:35 am |
Anyone watch the Cowboys v. Giants last night and notice the Cowboys DL, I believe it was Greg Ellis, with the different jersey from the rest of the team. Unfortunately I can’t get a screen grab(help anyone?), but the strips on the sleeves of his jersey were thin silver instead of the thick blue ones the rest of the team had. Anyone else see that?
#18 by Ryan Connelly #40 on 12.15.08 9:41 am |
how much would you LOVE to get your hands on a “fifty and over bowling club” shirt?!?!
#19 by matt mitchell on 12.15.08 9:45 am |
regarding george allen’s ‘turf’ shoes. those were (are?) coaching shoes that just about all coaches, at every level, wore back in the day.
http://graphics8.nyt...
#20 by Hott Rodd on 12.15.08 9:46 am |
Brad said:
Greg Ellis was also wearing the ubiqitous GU band on his arm. Didn’t have the wherewithall to do a screen grab… was a little too giddy over the pasting the little g men were taking.
#21 by Ryan Connelly #40 on 12.15.08 9:50 am |
Erich, your paintings look great! keep up the great work!!!
#22 by Teebz on 12.15.08 9:52 am |
Lee said:
Canadian James Naismith, the inventor of the game, says the snowflakes are a-go. Sit on it, O’Reilly! LOL
#23 by Tony in Erie on 12.15.08 9:54 am |
My question is why not a comment on the interesting “First NHL Game” patch that the emergency goalie was wearing on his jersey?
;-)
#24 by Jeremy Brahm on 12.15.08 9:55 am |
Bj-League does mean Basketball Japan.
There is also a canned coffee in Japan called Bj as well.
http://www.nanahime....
Yes, I get the joke.
#25 by GH on 12.15.08 9:55 am |
What I love about Barcelona is that the only logos on their unis are (Nike of course, since they’re made by the dark prince) but Unicef and this new one, both charities. Bo other logos. And they give portions of their uni sales to the charities as well. sharp stuff from a classy organization!
#26 by u2-horn on 12.15.08 9:55 am |
Brad said:
He’s been like this for awhile–pretty sure I’ve read discussion about it here in years past. It’s still a blue stripe, but it looks like it’s just really old/faded/tattered. Jay Ratliff’s stripes were also looking pretty ratty.
#27 by James P. on 12.15.08 9:55 am |
chiarams said:
According to Astros Daily: http://www.astrosdai...
After early versions of the cap with a simple orange block “H” on a navy background were worn during the spring, the club unveiled caps with a white “H” over an orange star on the navy cap. This style or some variation of it would last for almost 30 years.
#28 by chance on 12.15.08 9:58 am |
chiarams said:
Great catch.
I’m guessing he had a tryout with the Astros? The prototype cap indicates that it was before the 1965 season. Paige was in the minors at the time, to be signed in 1965 by the A’s as one of Charley Finley’s publicity stunts.
So maybe the Astros were looking at him? Would that have made the sports pages of the LA Times? Sure possible, but I don’t know.
#29 by chance on 12.15.08 10:02 am |
James P. said:
Thanks, James.
So if it was a Spring Training cap, my theory about a Paige tryout in 1965 would seem to hold up?
#30 by Teebz on 12.15.08 10:02 am |
Tony in Erie said:
That emergency goalie, for those that may have missed the story, was Capitals’ web producer Brett Leonhardt.
Jose Theodore was injured in the morning skate, and GM George McPhee put a call into Hershey to bring up Simeon Varlamov. The problem?
Hershey was on a roadtrip in Houston.
Since they needed a back-up goaltender ASAP, they signed the 6′7″ Brett “Stretch” Leonhardt from their front office. Leonhardt played NCAA Division III hockey for the Neumann College Knights, and posted decent numbers.
Once Varlamov arrived in Washington, he relieved Leonhardt of his duties.
Pretty cool story, eh?
#31 by Cork on 12.15.08 10:03 am |
The “high school” photo of Jackie Robinson is actually from his days at Pasadena Junior College.
#32 by James P. on 12.15.08 10:05 am |
chance said:
Maybe he was trying out for one last season, but I am thinking that it was to show off the new uniform and they paid Page to wear it.
#33 by Hank on 12.15.08 10:10 am |
LAFD went with the one-size fits all helmet look.
#34 by Tony in Erie on 12.15.08 10:13 am |
Went to the first three home games of the year for my hometown BayHawks…in these games they played Iowa once and Fort Wayne twice.
I think I almost went insane watching the giant adidas ad running up and down the court…
Oh, and the Mad Ants? I think its a lame nickname.
#35 by Tony in Erie on 12.15.08 10:16 am |
“That emergency goalie, for those that may have missed the story…”
In other words, those of you that only read this site for the pictures ;-)
#36 by MichaelS on 12.15.08 10:20 am |
elliott said:
It’s clear Geelong set the standard for Clash Guernsey’s
http://www.rebelspor...
#37 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 10:26 am |
Teebz said:
I actually watched that game over the weekend and thought is was one of the coolest hockey stories I’ve heard in a while.
#38 by jokstrap on 12.15.08 10:27 am |
Paul,
Sorry if this has ever been brought up before, but how about a “douche bag of the week” award. I would like to nominate the soccer player, not for taking his shorts off, but for wearing thightie whities under his uniform!
Jokstrap
#39 by Teebz on 12.15.08 10:32 am |
Tony in Erie said:
Hey, I only read Uni Watch for the pict…
Oh right. LOL
#40 by Tony in Erie on 12.15.08 10:37 am |
You almost wonder if his Division III mask was NHL certified for impact tolerance (or whatever you call it)
I’m sure there’s different rules for how much abuse a mask can take for the NHL over college, especially division III.
#41 by Leo on 12.15.08 10:39 am |
Leo said:
It was reported here a while back, but Aston Villa does that too.
http://www.astonvill...
http://www.astonvill...
In an age where every club whines about the costs of everything (and passes them along to their supporters), it\’s a rather classy thought from both organizations.
#42 by Teebz on 12.15.08 10:40 am |
Tony in Erie said:
All masks are made under the same standards in order to withstand impacts. It’s the certification standard by which all masks, regardless of manufacturer, are required to meet.
#43 by Neil on 12.15.08 10:40 am |
Jim MI said:
I’d bet that all NHL clubs know of a few goalies that are in the area should such an unusual situation occur. The Caps were just forward thinking enough to actually have this guy on staff.
#44 by MichaelS on 12.15.08 10:43 am |
Leo said:
Both teams have wealthy people behind the scenes so can afford to do something like this, some are not so lucky.
#45 by chiarams on 12.15.08 10:47 am |
“According to Astros Daily: http://www.astrosdai...
After early versions of the cap with a simple orange block “H” on a navy background were worn during the spring, the club unveiled caps with a white “H” over an orange star on the navy cap. This style or some variation of it would last for almost 30 years.”
Thanks James – great find. But even that doesn’t really describe the hat that Paige is wearing – it almost looks like a trucker-style patch with the H on it. Or am I just totally nuts?
#46 by Jim BC on 12.15.08 10:52 am |
Jim MI said:
Jim – did you see a few years ago, the Canucks’ starting tender (I believe it was Cloutier) was injured during the morning practice and it was too late to get the AHL call up in time for the game later that night. So they signed a one day contract with a kid from UBC. Anyway, the back up was hurt during the game and while the trainer tended to him, the cameras went to this kid on the bench who was sitting there chewing (vigorously) on a wad of gum. He didn’t get to go in but he said afterward that he was crapping his pants at that very moment.
Can you imagine one morning you’re playing Canadian Collegiate hockey and then all of a sudden you are pulling on an NHL jersey? Incredible.
#47 by Jim BC on 12.15.08 10:55 am |
Details on the UBC goalie here:
http://en.wikipedia....
#48 by chance on 12.15.08 10:55 am |
chiarams said:
Wouldn’t surprise me that the orange “H” was on a navy patch for the spring training caps in 1965, especially if they were prototypes.
#49 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 10:56 am |
Jim BC said:
That does sound familar…
usually when something like this happans it’s in practice where a team needs an extra goalie in practice due to injuries, rarely do you hear about it in games… still a neat story. Hope he kept a copy of that contact… I’d frame it if it it happaned to me.
#50 by Jim BC on 12.15.08 10:59 am |
Jim MI said:
… and a framed jersey too.
#51 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 11:00 am |
Look at at the bizarre collar/placket design for the kids on the left. Never seen that before.
http://jpg2.lapl.org...
One of the kids on the left with the weird collar has an additional uni aspect…. a belt buckle.
#52 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 11:04 am |
Jim MI said:
i like the manager (im guessing that’s the manager, far left)…with the rolled up jeans, stirrups and pro-keds
#53 by Teebz on 12.15.08 11:16 am |
Jim BC said:
That kid was the third-string goalie for UBC. Since the top two goalies on their depth chart were ineligible for emergency call-up as per NHL rules, Chris Levesque donned #40 and looked like a kid on Christmas.
#54 by fluxcap on 12.15.08 11:16 am |
LI Phil said:
If only that damn baseball wasn’t blocking the rest of his feet, but it does appear he’s got the jeans rolled, stirrups, pro-keds thing going on
#55 by Cory on 12.15.08 11:17 am |
Negative story but man do these pats uniforms look good:
http://sportsillustr...
#56 by mike 2 on 12.15.08 11:17 am |
Neil said:
In Calgary and Vancouver at least, they have “rent a goalie” services.
There are so few goalies out there that rec league and adult league teams often have problems finding goalies – I’ve seen games cancelled or played with the nets turned backwards because teams couldn’t field a goalie.
You call the goalie dispatcher, they send you a goalie, everyone on the team chips in and you get a proper game in. A buddy of mine in Vancouver who’s a goalie has made a decent chunk of change that way.
I can’t imagine an NHL team doing that, but if worst came to worst…
#57 by Andrew Dixon on 12.15.08 11:20 am |
chance said:
I think the most interesting thing about that shot is the rare glimpse it gives you of the ceiling of the Astrodome before the plexiglass ceiling tiles were painted over – that’s sunlight coming through the roof, back when they thought that could work and allow the dome to have grass. I don’t know when they painted them, but it wasn’t long after the dome opened, and to see a picture of the ceiling with light coming through is, I would think, exceedingly rare.
#58 by Ryan Connelly #40 on 12.15.08 11:23 am |
“My question is why not a comment on the interesting “First NHL Game” patch that the emergency goalie was wearing on his jersey?”
ok, i’ll ask… what “patch”???
#59 by Teebz on 12.15.08 11:24 am |
Ryan Connelly #40 said:
That puck near his left shoulder that looks somewhat like a patch.
#60 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 11:24 am |
mike 2 said:
Reminds me of stories I’ve read about in the early days of the NHL when a team was in a pinch they’d throw their stick-boy or trainer in the net, or once I heard about a team’s coach throwing on the pads… (rangers I think)
#61 by Chad on 12.15.08 11:29 am |
i remember there being an article about the design of the obama logo on uniwatch awhile ago. now there’s video http://www.youtube.c...
#62 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 11:33 am |
LI Phil said:
during the “
convicted felonspano era“…i believe the isles frequently did that#63 by Ricko on 12.15.08 11:40 am |
Andrew Dixon said:
Ceiling got painted almost immediately. As I recall (just memory now, so cut me a little slack) the newly re-christened Colt .45s played the Yankees in the first-ever game in Astrodome, a daytime spring training game…and nobody could follow the fly balls. I have a recollection of a game photo of Mickey Mantle and some other Yankees standing around looking up at the ceiling during a stoppage of play like “wtf”…or maybe it’s of a fly ball dropping between players, Mantle being one of them. I don’t have it, but I sure do remember something like that.
Anyway, I think the paint job started the next day. Practically. LOL.
(As far as the cap logo, you’d be surprised what PR guys would throw together for something like that, figuring they could get away with it. Not saying that’s what happened here, but such things did quite often. I remember the mockup jersey the Screaming Eagles had for the Bernie Parent press conference in Miami was white and red velour with gold satin ribbon sewn on for the striping. “No closeups, please”. LOL).
—Ricko
#64 by interlockingtc on 12.15.08 11:42 am |
Brinke Guthrie, I was 14 in 1974 and drawing very similar Bengals pictures, wearing a Bengals belt with that medallion, and collecting schedules from teams across the country. Are you my doppelgenger?
#65 by JTH on 12.15.08 11:53 am |
interlockingtc said:
Where did you guys find all those schedules, anyway? I’ve always had a hard enough time finding the local teams’ schedules.
#66 by Mike Engle on 12.15.08 11:59 am |
Jim MI said:
Correct. Lester Patrick. Story and pictures here.
#67 by Cork on 12.15.08 12:03 pm |
Tony in Erie said:
Are skulls thicker in Division III? Or are their brains less valuable?
#68 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 12:19 pm |
getting back to that SI thingy…
one for teebz
/”loseipeg”…lol
#69 by Teebz on 12.15.08 12:20 pm |
LI Phil said:
Hey, I wasn’t even a year old when that season started! I don’t have any memory of that season ever existing.
So it didn’t. LOL
#70 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 12:23 pm |
Teebz said:
kind of like every season from 1941-1993 and 1995-present for the rangers
#71 by Zac Neubauer on 12.15.08 12:29 pm |
“Best new uniforms in the league this year: the all-red jobs of the Texans. Bob McNair should make them Houston’s home unis.”
Peter King SI.com
#72 by Ricko on 12.15.08 12:32 pm |
Zac Neubauer said:
Maybe Peter King’s boyhood hero was The Flash?
#73 by Teebz on 12.15.08 12:41 pm |
LI Phil said:
And every season since 1984 for Islanders fans. LOL
#74 by u2-horn on 12.15.08 12:43 pm |
u2-horn said:
here’s a pic of Ellis from 2007
http://www.dallasnew...
#75 by Tony in Erie on 12.15.08 12:54 pm |
Cork said:
I’m only saying that because I would dare to say there’s no Al Macinnises or Bobby Hulls in Division III that could split open a less strict helmet. Just a thought!
Thanks for clearing that patch thing up, Teebz…I was hoping nobody was actually going to ask! Who controls the sarcasm tags in this blog anyway?
#76 by brad northstar on 12.15.08 12:57 pm |
I remember seeing the Pom-Pom Mom on Johnny Carson when I was a kid. And I think she was featured on the TV show “Real People” once.
#77 by Rich on 12.15.08 12:58 pm |
“NBA teams playing on Xmas Day will be wearing a snowflake patch.”
Cripes, does every single event require a f–king patch?!
#78 by Tony in Erie on 12.15.08 1:01 pm |
Rich said:
In ten years when the Mets have “Paul Lukas Day”, will there be a patch?
#79 by JTH on 12.15.08 1:12 pm |
The real question on the NBA snowflakes: is every patch different?
#80 by Paul Lukas on 12.15.08 1:23 pm |
Ricko said:
This video actually includes a few shots of the roof being painted:
http://www.astrosdai...
#81 by Teebz on 12.15.08 1:23 pm |
Tony in Erie said:
I think Phil and Ek have been working tireless hours on getting it to work.
I asked them to reboot the Internet some time ago, but I didn’t notice any changes.
Maybe testing isn’t finished yet. LOL
#82 by Beardface on 12.15.08 1:36 pm |
Tony in Erie said:
Mets will be in their black throwbacks against Colorado’s all-purple away unis
#83 by Taha on 12.15.08 1:38 pm |
who are the characters besides the players in the Japan Hoops picture. one of them looks like the Japanese Captain Morgan. who will be announcing the game? hopefully it’s Vic Romano and Kenny Blankenship, with sideline reporter Guy LaDouche.
#84 by Hott Rodd on 12.15.08 1:39 pm |
Teebz said:
wow.. i just found out Teebz is about 7-10 years younger than i pictured him… crazy
#85 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 1:41 pm |
Teebz said:
what makes you think we care?
#86 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 1:41 pm |
Penguins new arena has a name…
http://penguins.nhl....
#87 by Teebz on 12.15.08 1:42 pm |
Hott Rodd said:
I get that a lot. Everyone thinks I’m Ricko’s age, that I discovered dust, and that I witnessed the Big Bang as it happened.
Instead, I’m just some punk. LOL
#88 by JTH on 12.15.08 1:44 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
…and a very brief glimpse at the grounds crew at work dressed in their “spacesuits.”
#89 by JTH on 12.15.08 1:46 pm |
Teebz said:
Dude, I thought Lord Stanley was your grandson.
#90 by Beardface on 12.15.08 1:47 pm |
Jim MI said:
They should just name it the ‘Bettman Center’… I mean, with his steadfast refusal to allow a failed franchise to move, he single handedly kept one of the most financially sound franchises in the booming metropolis of Pittsburgh, PA….
But hey, when the Nordiques, Jets, NorthStars and Whalers all decided to move on a whim, he was all for that shit…
Obviously, losing such a storied franchise as the Penguins (and Predators) would be too much for the NHL to handle. Only irrelevant franchises like Quebec, Winnipeg, Hartford, and Minnesota should be allowed to move.
#91 by The Hemogoblin on 12.15.08 1:48 pm |
Jim MI said:
“Energy Center”
It’s been done.
#92 by Hott Rodd on 12.15.08 1:55 pm |
Teebz said:
Yeah i had always hoped to be as knowledgable about my preferred sport (football) when i got to your age.. but apparently i only have 2 or 3 years left. I’m screwed.
I didn’t want to say it but yeah i thought you and Ricko used to hunt wooly mammoth together
#93 by Jim BC on 12.15.08 1:57 pm |
LI Phil said:
Hey, come on Phil, please no picking on my beloved Jets (sigh)
#94 by Teebz on 12.15.08 2:03 pm |
Beardface said:
Um, Pittsburgh didn’t fail. And exactly where would you move them to?
#95 by JTH on 12.15.08 2:05 pm |
Jim MI said:
Any significance to the #10 on that “CONSOL” jersey? (4th pic in slideshow)
#96 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 2:07 pm |
JTH said:
Arena is set to open in 2010…
#97 by Tony in Erie on 12.15.08 2:14 pm |
I would have moved them to …wait for it…wait for it….
Losipeg!
Alright, seriously now.
LI Phil said:
Don’t be coy, Phil. :)
#98 by JTH on 12.15.08 2:15 pm |
Jim MI said:
Oh, right. I was thinking it was opening next season. But looking at the construction progress so far, that would be a tall order.
#99 by Kek on 12.15.08 2:23 pm |
Beardface said:
Beardface? More like bitter face?
You’re probably one of the thousands of “fans” that boo #87 every time he touches the puck too!
I’m with Teebz, hard to say the franchise “failed” when they’ve qualified for the playoffs 23 of 40 seasons they’ve played, not to mention two cups and another finals appearance. Sure they’ve had lean years but failed?
#100 by Mark K on 12.15.08 2:26 pm |
Hott Rodd said:
I remember hating how the Jets had a “photo negative” logo on their away jerseys. I used to have a home Jets jersey- wore it for street hockey all the time. Come to think of it, all the teams I had- Jets, Whalers, etc- ended up moving.
I never had Pittsburgh.
#101 by Johnny F. on 12.15.08 2:27 pm |
To my hockey friends,
Has anyone noticed/mentioned the change in the number font, and the “A” on the chest of the Flyer third jerseys? I’m still catching up on the hockey discussions/other discussions I’ve missed over the last week or two, and was just curious if this has been mentioned.
#102 by Teebz on 12.15.08 2:33 pm |
Johnny F. said:
I believe Paul mentioned it in the ticker a week or so ago. But good eyes on you, Johnny.
#103 by Ian on 12.15.08 2:35 pm |
Jim MI said:
Too boring of a name. Best sponsored name ever? National Car Rental Center. Worst sponsored name? Gaylord Entertainment Center.
#104 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 2:35 pm |
Teebz said:
Wrap up (If I rememeber it correctly):
PHI used exact font from years that the uni was modeled after for a couple games. After that they starting using a different font… hence the change.
#105 by Dan King on 12.15.08 2:36 pm |
Tony in Erie said:
hooray DIII club hockey (sorry thats what i got here in Cleveland)! while i’m sure the players don’t hit as hard or have as hard of shots, most of the players i see are wearing some pretty torn up pads, especially the pants/breezers/hockey shorts/whatever the hell the consensus was to call them a few months ago.
#106 by Teebz on 12.15.08 2:38 pm |
Ian said:
I made the comment a few days ago about how some are already calling the new arena “The Power Plant”.
Decent nickname, personally.
#107 by Mike Engle on 12.15.08 2:38 pm |
Jim MI said:
I don’t remember the A changing, but I distinctly remember the 1 and 2 digits drastically changing. If somebody could show me a before and after of the A’s, I’d appreciate that.
#108 by Teebz on 12.15.08 2:38 pm |
Dan King said:
Um, what about the Lake Erie Monsters? They’re an AHL club, and the Avalanche’s affiliate. ;o)
#109 by Johnny O on 12.15.08 2:42 pm |
Don’t know if it was mentioned already, but it looks like we have a re-match for the DIII National Football Championship. The Mount Union Purple Raiders take on the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Warhawks in the 2008 Stagg Bowl.
http://www.d3footbal...
Both teams always sport purple uni’s so it should be an eye sore for Mr. Lukas.
#110 by Johnny F. on 12.15.08 2:46 pm |
Thanks, Teebz & Jim. Sounds good.
Something told me you guys were probably all over it.
#111 by Jeff P on 12.15.08 2:47 pm |
LI Phil said:
They forgot the 30-31 Philadelphia Quakers- 4–36–4
Hold the record for the least wins in a season in the NHL- but to be fair, it was 4 wins in 44 games, not 82.
#112 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 2:50 pm |
Jim BC said:
don’t worry jim…we both have AHL clubs to cheer for now
you have the moose, and i have the isles
#113 by Johnny F. on 12.15.08 2:54 pm |
I have a random questions for everyone. My uncle is a BIGGGGG dude. Like, Packers o-line big. Anyway, he’s been asking for a replica Jets Brett Favre jersey for Christmas. Problem- The friggin’ guy needs a 6XL. That’s right… XXXXXXL.
Anyone have any idea of where to get such a big ass jersey???
Cheers!
#114 by Jim MI on 12.15.08 2:57 pm |
LI Phil said:
NYI isn’t an AHL team…. it’s just the forgotten team in the NHL…
Watched an NYI not to long ago, and spent half the game saying:
“Holy Crap I forgot {insert any NYI player name} plays there now…” lol…
#115 by Teebz on 12.15.08 2:58 pm |
Mike Engle said:
Here you are, Mike. :o)
#116 by Robin on 12.15.08 2:58 pm |
Peter said:
Actually, The Tampa Bay Buccaneers own that record since they started 0-26 having lost all their games in their inaugural season (1976). For what it’s worth, they won their first game against the Saints in 1977 and wore some fantastic uniforms
http://www.youtube.c...
#117 by Mike Engle on 12.15.08 3:03 pm |
Teebz said:
Thank you Teebz.
#118 by concealed78 on 12.15.08 3:14 pm |
Rich said:
It is beyond stupid. It’s things like this that proves sports are getting stupider every season. I think the first time I ever got pissed off by a patch was in 1994 in a shop, and they wanted to charge me like $5 extra dollars for a gold MLB patch for a fitted cap. I was like “Fuck that, that’s stupid.” And it would be useless in a year, and it’s the symbol of one of the most stupid sports strikes in history.
#119 by concealed78 on 12.15.08 3:17 pm |
Beardface said:
Imagine if the Rockies or Marlins existed in the ’70s. Rockies in all-purple and I bet the Marlins would have had the first all-teal road uni.
#120 by Jim BC on 12.15.08 3:19 pm |
LI Phil said:
I have a friend who is a devoted Isles fan – during the Milbury era, he wrote the man to complain about the direction of the team etc. He actually received a reply from Mr. Milbury which is now framed and on the wall of my buddy’s office.
#121 by Andrew Dixon on 12.15.08 3:21 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
That was awesome. Thanks!
#122 by concealed78 on 12.15.08 3:25 pm |
Johnny F. said:
I’m not of any help, but how about a trial for Jenny Craig instead? Jesus Christ, if you’re having trouble finding a sports jersey fitting in today’s big-cut era…
#123 by dsikula on 12.15.08 3:30 pm |
My memories of the Pom-Pom Mom were that she was hired to keep the beautifully-named “Embraceable Ewes” Ram cheerleaders in line, but that the squad’s name was quickly changed, due to a lack of any sense of humor on the team and the league’s part, and that Phyllis was given the gate soon after, which caused a bit of a stink — was it that the scummy Georgia Rosenbloom-Frontiere was jealous of some other older woman getting attention?
#124 by Johnny F. on 12.15.08 3:30 pm |
concealed78 said:
Hahaha. Oh trust me, he’ll get a Jenny Craig offer/Gym membership/some sort of exercise item….as he does every year.
But that’s neither here nor there….hahaha.
#125 by chance on 12.15.08 3:48 pm |
Since nobody else wants to talk about that beautiful uniform USC baseball coach Sam Crawford is wearing, I wonder when they adopted the current interlocking two-digit monogram?
USC appears to have been using it at least as far back as the 1940s, judging by the desk of Roy Takeno, internee at Manzanar, editor of its newspaper and USC alum.
#126 by Chris in Nashville on 12.15.08 3:54 pm |
Chris in Nashville said:
You will be happy to know that the Gaylord Entertainment Center is no more. It has been replaced by the Sommet Center. Gaylord Hotels does still sponsor the Musicy City Bowl though.
#127 by Teebz on 12.15.08 3:58 pm |
Chris in Nashville said:
It wasn’t technically replaced. Just renamed. ;o)
#128 by Sammy on 12.15.08 4:01 pm |
I always thought that buying naming rights to stadia was supposed to be at least a little bit of an investment in advertising. I mean, if you hear Comerica Park every time you go to a ballgame as a kid, maybe you will go to Comerica for your first bank account. Or Citi, if you like the Mets, or whatever. I don’t really get why energy companies in Minnesota and Pittsburgh are now buying the rights, when it really won’t help them reach any new customers. It’s the goddam power company!!
Anyway, we all saw how well Enron did after buying the park down in Houston….
#129 by chance on 12.15.08 4:13 pm |
Sammy said:
In many municipalities, you can choose between power companies. And in others (perhaps even places where you can’t), power companies have to invest so much into public interest projects.
#130 by Wren Wagner on 12.15.08 4:23 pm |
The Raiders T-SHirt that Magic is wearing appears to be the same shirt that “The Goonies” monster wore:
http://content6.flix...
haha
#131 by Kieran on 12.15.08 4:31 pm |
The Phillies re-signed Jamie Moyer, so the Liberty Bell stirrups will live on for two more years.
#132 by Ricko on 12.15.08 4:34 pm |
Wren Wagner said:
Played, of course, by John “The Tooz” Matusazk of…the Oakland Raiders.
http://www.raiderson...
#133 by Ricko on 12.15.08 4:35 pm |
Ricko said:
that would be Matuszak. My aplogies.
#134 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 4:37 pm |
Ricko said:
well of course, doesn’t everyone know that?
/who played tarzan?
#135 by Phil on 12.15.08 4:51 pm |
LI Phil said:
Johnny Weismueller
#136 by Jeremy Brahm on 12.15.08 4:54 pm |
According to the press release found here
http://bjleague.live...
The BJ-League has signed an agreement with “Black Jack” who is a character of the Japanese comic artist Osamu Tezuka.
Tezuka died in 1989 and would have been 80 this year, and this is one of the campaigns that is going on to repromote his works. Tezuka produced Kimba the White Lion, which was adopted as the Seibu Lions’ mascot in 1978 and also Astro Boy, which was the Yakult Atoms (now Swallows) from 1966-1970.
Kimba in wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia....
Atom Boy on the throwback Swallows uniforms earlier this year.
http://pwbeat.publis...
Black Jack link in English
http://tezukainengli...
#137 by chance on 12.15.08 4:55 pm |
Phil said:
Christopher Lambert. :D
#138 by JTH on 12.15.08 5:02 pm |
Jeremy Brahm said:
Prediction: someone will google “BJ Swallows” in the not-too-distant future, wind up here and be very disappointed.
#139 by Brian on 12.15.08 5:21 pm |
I made a post on sportslogos about the Flyers retro 3rd letter and number change, so I’ll copy and paste it here:
Pics comparing original, true retro look from first two games and the changes since the Devils game. The big differences are the numbers “1″ and “2,” and the alternate captain letter “A.”
Link to NHLUniforms description: http://nhluniforms.c...“]http://nhluniforms.com/2000s/Flyers7.html
Pictures of original retro look
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http://cache2.asset-...“]http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/83914861….F198085993A39DE
http://cache3.asset-...“]http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/83914853….F198085993A39DE
http://cache3.asset-...“]http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/83891735….30A760B0D811297
http://cache4.asset-...“]http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/83914943….F198085993A39DE
http://cache1.asset-...“]http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/83914970….F198085993A39DE
Pics from Devils game (current set)
http://cache1.asset-...“]http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/83919403….F198085993A39DE
http://cache1.asset-...“]http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/83918934….F198085993A39DE
http://cache3.asset-...“]http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/83918616….F198085993A39DE
http://cache2.asset-...“]http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/83918429….F198085993A39DE
This last picture has nothing to do with the above; I just thought it looked like a great old-school-style picture with the hair and the jersey.
http://cache3.asset-...“]http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/83914850….F198085993A39DE
By the way, does anyone know if stores with the alternate jersey will have the customization set for the true retro numbers and letters? Or will they only have the regular home and away set?
#140 by Brian on 12.15.08 5:23 pm |
Okay, so my above post doesn’t work, so I’ll just link directly to the post on sportslogos:
http://boards.sports...
#141 by steve on 12.15.08 5:26 pm |
Paul,
Silver Odyssey! The History of the Houston Astros. I don’t think I’ve seen that film since I wrote it for MLB Productions. Question for you. Who is the narrator?
#142 by Ricko on 12.15.08 5:28 pm |
chance said:
And a whole mess of others, including Mike Henry—linebacker, Rams and Steelers—in three, maybe four, films…before becoming far more famous as the jilted bridegroom/idiot son of Sheriff Buford T. Justice, of course.
#143 by Ricko on 12.15.08 5:31 pm |
steve said:
Just a guess: Gene Elson?
#144 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 5:33 pm |
Ricko said:
sean mooney?
#145 by DenverGregg on 12.15.08 5:41 pm |
Johnny F. said:
Casual Male: http://www.casualmal... They say they handle through 6XL. I think it’s funny they have Champ Bailey in that size.
#146 by Ricko on 12.15.08 6:06 pm |
DenverGregg said:
No Devin Hester?
Dang.
#147 by Dan King on 12.15.08 6:10 pm |
Teebz said:
Teebz- i know they’re here but going to the college games are much more fun. and cheaper. i used to be a huge avalanche fan but haven’t really followed them in recent years. some of my friends have turned me towards the pens. still love the the avs uni’s though.
#148 by steve on 12.15.08 7:02 pm |
No on Gene Elson, and Phil, you have no idea how funny your guess of Sean Mooney is. I can only think you said Sean because of his days with the WWF or local news here in NYC on Channel 9, but back then Sean was just a producer, not talent. Funny too because I just saw him this past week in Florida where a bunch of us MLB Production Alums got together to play golf.
#149 by Paul Lukas on 12.15.08 7:26 pm |
steve said:
I give up. Who?
#150 by wescovington on 12.15.08 7:28 pm |
The LAPL newspaper photos are actually for the late, lamented L.A. Herald-Examiner. The L.A. Times photo collection is owned by the L.A. Times, which despite what you might think, is still in business (and apparently turning a profit).
The photos tended to be cataloged by people who didn’t know much about sports.
#151 by Mark Hamilton on 12.15.08 7:32 pm |
Gray vs. White basketball in the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference. Bishop O’Connell in gray and Bishop Ireton in white.
http://www.dcsportsf...
#152 by steve on 12.15.08 7:39 pm |
JD Cannon who was Dennis Weaver’s partner on the old tv show McCloud.
#153 by Matt Porges on 12.15.08 7:40 pm |
New Rays alternate jersey:
http://shop.mlb.com/...
#154 by BCrisp on 12.15.08 8:15 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
Astronauts Alan Shepard handles the 60s, Gene Cernan the 70s, and Steve Holly the 80s.
#155 by Ricko on 12.15.08 8:27 pm |
steve said:
“There y’go.”
—Sam McCloud
#156 by Taylor on 12.15.08 8:41 pm |
Christ has been taken our of CHRISTmas for years. Look at the media it’s always Happy Holidays. It might as well be Merry SantsClausmas. It’s sad, really.
By the way I’m a DEMOCRAT.
In uni news, it looks like Santa and the swoosh have teamed up: http://www.sportspic...
#157 by The Hemogoblin on 12.15.08 8:54 pm |
Taylor said:
Well, in society’s defense, it was a pagan holiday to begin with.
#158 by Johnny F. on 12.15.08 8:59 pm |
DenverGregg said:
Perfect. 6XL in Brett Favre. Thanks for the link, I’m sure my uncle will be pretty excited.
#159 by Johnny F. on 12.15.08 9:02 pm |
Matt Porges said:
I expect to see the light blue as a Rays jersey in no time. That color was ALL OVER THE PLACE during the playoff run. I remember we talked about it during October, and I expected to see that when I just clicked your link. We shall see.
#160 by Sammy on 12.15.08 9:11 pm |
Versus just interviewed some guy from Bratislava, Slovakia, who came to Detroit in order to see his favorite team, the Colorado Avalanche. When the interviewer asked him why he likes them, he said because of the logo and uniform–he was wearing a pre-EDGE Avs uni.
Apparently I wasn’t paying close enough attention in my rush to post the interview to Uni Watch, but afterwards, Eddie Olczyk couldn’t stop laughing. Don’t know why.
#161 by Micah on 12.15.08 9:14 pm |
Those UnderArmour basketball shoes are complete trash; stick to making pro compression stuff UA, you’re not gonna make shit in the shoe market.
#162 by Cooper's Dad on 12.15.08 9:16 pm |
The Hemogoblin said:
Thank goodness someone said it. Because baby Jesus was decorating FIR TREES in Bethlehem, right?
#163 by Sammy on 12.15.08 9:36 pm |
Neil said:
I’ve been thinking about this all day. Couldn’t one of the regular skaters suit up as a goalie? Why don’t they just find gear for the 7th or 8th defenseman and put him in there? Or are all players so specialized from such a young age that none of them have ever played significant time at goalie?
I have to believe that one of the elite athletes who actually play every day would be better if thrown in net than an amateur picked up off the street.
#164 by Staten Island Tom on 12.15.08 10:01 pm |
Sammy said:
it also said that the guy is also a extra practice goalie
#165 by Jim BC on 12.15.08 10:03 pm |
Sammy said:
No way man – I’ve played the game since I was 4 and would never go between the pipes… Goalies are a different breed!
#166 by Ricko on 12.15.08 10:12 pm |
Cooper’s Dad said:
Many religious holidays, Christian or otherwise, have some connection to earlier pagan celebrations. Christmas orginally was celebrated under the cover of the pagan holiday so as to not attract attention, not as the holiday itself.
My point is that this country was founded on certain principles, which means that, whatever side of the discussion you come down on, the history of the holiday, beyond as it applies to the Founding Fathers in the 18th century, is irrelevant.
The issue offered earlier seemed more in regard to what degree “political correctness” should or should not be applied, rather than the distant anthropological connections of the celebration itself.
Not trying to start an argument, just saying focus on the issue, which appears to be politcal correctness.
I know years ago I was writing jingle lyrics using the word “Christmas” all over the place. Couldn’t do that now.
Not saying is right or wrong, just saying that’s the topic: the secularization of the holiday…so best to stay inside that sphere.
#167 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 10:14 pm |
Taylor said:
i got your merry christmas right here
/three american favorites all rolled into one “ad”
#168 by LI Phil on 12.15.08 10:16 pm |
LI Phil said:
reminds me of the greatest movie line ever ;)
#169 by Skycat on 12.15.08 10:24 pm |
wescovington said:
As far as the L.A. Times running a profit — well, not so much. It seems like it’s parent corporation, The Tribune Company, filed for bankruptcy protection last week.
http://www.chicagotr...
#170 by Andrew Harris on 12.15.08 10:55 pm |
one of those mixed 78 helmet/77 jersey NY Jets photos was of Chris Ward, the man who inspired the timeless, “holding. #72. offense five yard penalty.”
i swear that was written just for him.
#171 by MPowers1634 on 12.15.08 11:30 pm |
Johnny F. said:
1. Sounds like a Super-DIY project.
2. When you eventually come by my house for dinner, he is NOT invited.
#172 by MPowers1634 on 12.15.08 11:37 pm |
#173 by Juan Grande on 12.15.08 11:48 pm |
Johnny F. said:
Anybody take a look at the available jerseys to buy? A Mike Vick Falcons jersey! A David Carr Texans jersey! A Chad Pennington Jets jersey! A Rueden Droughns Browns jersey! Its like a StraightCashHomey.com smorgasboard!
After all those jerseys, they curiously have a Favre Jets jersey?
#174 by MPowers1634 on 12.15.08 11:59 pm |
A couple of cool things out of my alma mater, Wagner College:
1. This year they updated their wordmark and primary logo:
http://www.wagnerath...
2. I hadn’t noticed until the other day, that they had updated their football unis as well.
The Atlanta Hawk/Seahawk now adorns the helmet whereas last year they wore the Block W, after switching to a cursive “Wagner” for one year.
http://www.wagnerath...
http://www.wagnerath...
They also have the new stylized W on the left hip of the pants.
3. The QB coach when I was a freshman, has been Urban Meyer’s OC and was just named Head Coach at Miss. State/
http://www.wagnerath...
#175 by Stan aka The Took on 12.16.08 1:09 am |
Teebz said:
That is an AWESOME story!!! Is there some article about it? I would love to save that
#176 by Michael on 12.16.08 1:19 am |
Alright let me understand this…your site has approximately 10,000 words on it and your feature article has maybe 1000 words and you cant figure out how to squeeze 4 extra letter onto your site? why would you use the term xmas instead of CHRISTMAS. do you really want to exchange x for Christ? do you want to cheapen your site to a liberal rag catering to the left extreamist. c’mon i thought you were better than that Jersey. I am a tried and true Paterson reader but if you must downgrade your web site I will stop reading. Dont be afraid to use the word Christmas. It is afterall HIS holiday!!!
#177 by Mike Engle on 12.16.08 1:25 am |
Michael said:
Good riddance?
I have no idea where you’re coming from. And Paul’s Long Island bred, and Brooklyn based. Not exactly Jersey on either count.
#178 by Stan aka The Took on 12.16.08 1:44 am |
DenverGregg said:
… Wow take look at some of those names… Harrington on the lions, Vick on the falcons, OWENS ON THE EAGLES, Moss on dah raiders, McNair on the Ravens… wow! thats history there.
#179 by chance on 12.16.08 9:49 am |
Michael said:
1. The “X” in “X-Mas” was originally an abbreviation of “Christ”.
2. As has been pointed out, He “borrowed” the holiday in the first place (wasn’t even born in the winter, after all). Only fair that He be required to return it. ;)
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