My annual NBA season-preview column is up on ESPN today, which would normally mean no main entry over here. But I’m planning to give the site the day off tomorrow, so we’ll treat today as a normal day.
Now then: Meteorological disturbances notwithstanding, the Phillies are poised to win their first championship in 28 years, so Phillies fans like reader Jeff Cook should be happy. But Jeff isn’t happy at all. Here’s why:
As a Phillies fan and a visual communicator (art director, designer, illustrator) who’s designed with type for over 25 years, I’ve always been bothered by the poor execution of the current Phillies logo. This is a $500 million organization with a logo that looks like it was drawn by a sixth grader.
Take a look at the current logo [that version is from MLB's official art files, so it's totally certified and all that -- PL]. The letterforms are bulbous and balloon-like, creating a juvenile look. There’s no elegance, no thick-and-thin variation in the strokes of the letters, no natural flow of the stroke from one letter into the next (particularly from the “i” into the “e”). There are uncomfortable and inconsistent sizes to the letters across the word: The ascender on the “h” reaches higher than the “l”s, the “i”s are shorter than the other lowercase characters, and the “P” is too large in scale to the rest of the word.
Moreover, the verticals on the “l”s are thin at the loop and thick below, the foot on the “P” is awkward and abrupt, and the shape of the “e” simply defies description. This is to say nothing of that bar with the blip on the end that underlines the logo (what is its purpose anyway?), or the fact that the stars aren’t even symmetrical — they’re horizontally scaled! Also, the second star doesn’t sit centered above the “i” (hey, maybe that’s why the designer scaled it — “Oops, the star is crashing into the L, so I’ll just scale it!”).
So I took some time to redraw the logo in an attempt to give it the sophistication you’d expect from a major professional sports franchise. My primary aim was to raise the level of execution without changing the character of the logo. This was very important — I wanted this exercise to be purely about execution, not about proposing a new concept. I wanted to start with the plain script, but I’ll complete the exercise with a new version of the full Liberty Bell logo. I’ll send that along when finished.
If you look at the the original and redrawn logos together, two things become apparent: First, Jeff’s version is definitely better. Second, the official version looks a lot like what you’d get if you took a crisper version (like Jeff’s) and xeroxed it, and then xeroxed the xerox, and then xeroxed that, and so on. That happens to be exactly what’s happened at so many companies over the years — if someone needs a logo to create new letterhead, they just xerox it from the old letterhead, or from some other second-hand source. Eventually you’re dealing with a fourth- or fifth-generation logo with all its nuances and edges blurred into an indistinct mush.
I don’t know if that’s what happened with the Phillies’ logo, of course, but it wouldn’t surprise me. And I bet they’re not the only ones.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Regarding those orange thingies in JaMarcus Russell’s earholes, which I mentioned in yesterday’s Ticker: Those are the speakers for his radio headset. “The orange speakers must be in the coach/defense helmets,” says Joe Skiba. “Since the new speakers were made to hold up better with contact, we have decided to put them in our quarterback helmets as well.” … Drill, baby, drill (with thanks to Rob Bartlett). … Norm Duke won the PBA World Championship on Sunday while wearing a genuinely hideous shirt. Scott Johnson reports that the shirt is the work of the PBA’s official outfitter, Gemini Sport Marketing, whose designs are a far cry from the gorgeous bowling shirts of generations past. … Shame on me for not mentioning in yesterday’s entry that the Browns added a “GH” memorial decal on Sunday, in honor of Gene Hickerson. … This site has all sorts of info about the Old Oaken Bucket Game between Purdue and Indiana, including this photo from the very first game in the series (with thanks to David Farrell). … Good spot by Jacob Reed, who noticed that Pat Thomas’s left-sleeve Reebok logo was peeling off on Sunday. … In case you missed it yesterday, Joe Blanton’s cap caused a minor controversy, but I don’t see anything coming of it. … Rugby note from Caleb Borchers, who reports that the Blue Bulls, a South African rugby team, recently put the players’ first names on the back of their jerseys, as seen in this photo of John Mametsa. “It may look like last names on the back,” he writes, “but that’s what happens when you have players with first names like Rayno.” … Also from Caleb: Really interesting article here about the way Adidas markets the All Blacks, worth reading even if (like myself) you don’t know jack about rugby. … “This is a press pass from Sunday’s Panthers/Cardinals game,” writes Michael Orr. “Check out the Arizona helmet — why are there wordmarks on there? I’ve never seen an NFL press pass before [me neither -- PL], so for all I know it’s always like that, but I just thought it looked weird.” … The Islanders unveiled their alternate uniform yesterday. As expected, it’s a 1970s throwback, which is fine — except for the miserable rear sock striping. Here’s a big photo gallery from the unveiling, courtesy of Tom Liodice. … It’s no longer enough to have a corporate-sponsored backdrop for your press conferences — now you need a rotating series of corporate-sponsored backdrops, as seen in this Jim Zorn Q&A session. … Lots of chatter about the Bobcats’ road uniforms in the comments that follow this article, prompting the beat reporter who covers the team for the Charlotte Observer to quip, “Guys: I can truly not believe you care what color they wear on the road.” Loser. … Good video report on the Majestic factory here (with thanks to Tim Burke). … Not a good idea. … I was having a hard time deciding what was the lamest thing about this World Series — the defense, the umpiring, or that goddamn Chevy Chase commercial (is it on an endless loop or what?) — but last night sealed it: Switching to local fucking news during a World Series rain delay is flat-out the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen. Rain delays are when announcers earn their money, because they have to improvise, they have to entertain, they have to work. How about an interview with a groundskeeper? How about getting a few of the players to talk about what it was like to play under those conditions? How about a review of past bad-weather postseason games (like Game 4 of the ’77 National League playoffs, when Tommy John pitched the Dodgers into the Series in a driving rain — in Philadelphia, by coincidence)? How about sticking around and covering the freaking story instead of handing it off to Joan and Bob telling us whose cat got lost up a goddamn tree? A national disgrace.
#1 by Jim MI on 10.28.08 8:03 am |
I like the islanders throwbacks. I have always thought that era of their history was the best uni wise. Couple things though, (hate to nitpick) the pants seem to be a different shade of blue (Seriously, why do so many teams get this wrong?) and the sock stripe stiuation just flat out scares me. The direction socks are going in the NHL is really starting to worry me.
#2 by Nathan MI on 10.28.08 8:19 am |
Great gallery from Sports Illustrated on all the goalie masks of the NHL, some have already been shown here and some have not.
http://sportsillustr...
#3 by Luke on 10.28.08 8:25 am |
Sounds like Jeff is just complaining for the sake of complaining. Yes, I enjoyed his upgrade but not in any major way over the original.
#4 by scott on 10.28.08 8:27 am |
No offense to Jeff on his new design, but this is what is completely wrong with new logos now days. Everyone relies on the computer to make them.
Case in Point: OKC Thunder. Their logo is so “MS Word.” Their font is so “Helvetica.” Definitely not an ai file made with a House 33 original font.
Same with music, same with movies….Computers have empowered so many of us, but they have taken away the influential power of the truly gifted artists.
#5 by Jim MI on 10.28.08 8:28 am |
Nathan MI said:
Noticed this watching the DET/ATL game over the weekend: Doesn’t the the chin of Lehtonen look alot like a logo from NHL past? Or is it just me?
http://sportsillustr...
http://i263.photobuc...
#6 by Jon on 10.28.08 8:37 am |
I’m not a huge fan of the local news either, but there are any number of things I would rather listen to than hear McCarver drone on and on about his opinions… (In Hell, there will be nothing but Mariners v. Royals games on, with McCarver and Morgan the only announcers).
#7 by CheeseSteaker on 10.28.08 8:37 am |
Jeff’s redesign of the Phillies logo looks like a feminine little hand drew it while the current logo looks like a big meat hand with a fist grip on a marker wrote it. I think the current logo better represents the blue collar city than Jeff’s. If we use Jeff’s logo we might as well wear pink uniforms pink everyday. I’ll take the current logo any day over Jeff’s over designed wussy font logo. And yes, I’m from Philadelphia…you got a problem with that? GO PHILLIES!!!
#8 by dgc on 10.28.08 8:40 am |
I assume the Zorn link is showing the Skins’ dual flatscreen backdrop for press conferences. That’s been there pretty much as long as Snyder’s been the owner. That was like his first step toward the fleecing of Redskin fans.
#9 by Kellan on 10.28.08 8:40 am |
Is it just me, or in that Titans pic with Bironas and Hentrich, are they BOTH wearing two different shoes? And if so, are they the SAME two different shoes? I know a kicker/punter wearing a mis-matched pair is nothing ground breaking, but both wearing the same mis-matched pair… I may have just never noticed before…
#10 by Paul Lukas on 10.28.08 8:44 am |
CheeseSteaker said:
Hey, did you know graphic designers are pussies? Big fat pussies who sit around in their lavender silk pajamas sipping chai and listening to bossa nova while the rest of the world works for a living. It’s true — you can look it up.
#11 by possum on 10.28.08 8:45 am |
As a Charlottean, I wanted to weigh in on the two Charlotte entries in the ticker.
First, the Cards logo on the press pass. It occurred to me that the Meineke Car Care Bowl is played at BOA stadium, which includes the ACC #4 team vs the Big East #whocares team. Since Louisville’s logo looks like Arizona’s, perhaps they’re trying to prevent fraudulent passes come December in case the NCAA Cardinals come to town?
Second, the Charlotte Observer’s beat writers are notorious idiots. The guy who doesn’t care what color they wear on the road, #1 obviously has never walked by the team shop’s window of orange jerseys; and #2 isn’t even the biggest douche on the paper’s staff. Be glad it wasn’t a guy named Tom Sorensen. Of course what he should have said was “Guys: I can truly not believe you care what the Bobcats do this season.”
#12 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 8:46 am |
scott said:
Yes and no…Do the graphic artists of the past, from the days before G4’s and Paint, warrant less respect than those of today? No, not at all!
However, the literal goal of Technology is to use available information and resources to make our lives easier.
In the case of a TV remote, it bith helps AND hinders us, as might be the case with a PC or Mac.
But given the choice, I would choose to type the greatest novel ever written on a PC rather than a Smith Corona typewriter.
I, for one, applaud and prefer Jeff’s new and improved logo.
#13 by possum on 10.28.08 8:46 am |
Jim MI said:
Kari’s chin logo is the Outkast logo: http://www.ninebulle...
#14 by John on 10.28.08 8:47 am |
I like the Islanders throwbacks too but the stripes on the sleeves are wrong. The orange was thinner, and then the white went all the way down to the cuff. Get rid of the Reebok hem while you’re at it.
#15 by CheeseSteaker on 10.28.08 8:48 am |
Paul Lukas said:
You mean I could have wrote pussy? Damn, did I ever miss an opportunity.
#16 by Chris on 10.28.08 8:49 am |
Every time they showed Upton sliding in to second through the kiddy pool my eye kept being drawn to his freakin long pants and it catching under the heel of his spikes. Did this annoy anyone else
#17 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 8:49 am |
Kellan said:
Great catch…They absolutely are BOTH wearing mismatched shoes, however their pairs are coordinated. On their left feet are Nike Super Speed D on their right are Nike Mercurial Vapor, I believe, soccer boots.
#18 by Chris on 10.28.08 8:51 am |
I don’t think the entire NFL Network ad is photoshopped–I would guess that it is from that 2004 game mentioned. But if you look at MB3’s TV numbers, they definitely look photoshopped, plus he looks a bit small and has no hair sticking out from his helmet. I’d guess it is really Julius Jones carrying the ball in the pic.
#19 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 8:51 am |
possum said:
So Fresh, so Clean!
#20 by Peter Wunsch on 10.28.08 8:52 am |
Maybe it’s time they changed the rule. All games are suspended, always. No matter the score, no mattre the inning. Why is a power failure in the ninth with the score 10-0 a suspended game, but rain in the sixth with the score 2-1 a complete game.
Making every game a suspended game makes it easier for the unps to call a game; they are not giving the win to either team.
And Bowie Kuhn, oops Bud Selig, announcing that he would have changed the rules would have had people arguing forever if the Rays came back to win.
#21 by Kevin M. on 10.28.08 8:54 am |
possum said:
Ah good ol Kari Let-them-in, shortly after the photo was snapped he pulled a groin by thinking about sliding around on the slick ice.
#22 by Paul Lukas on 10.28.08 8:56 am |
Chris said:
And how! Watching all that fabric flap under his cleats was painful. Good call!
#23 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 9:02 am |
Peter Wunsch said:
For an impartial, and somewhat apathetic observer, that would make this year’s WS at least, a bit, interesting.
Apart from the Fudd caps, or Ryan Howards’ awakening, this WS has unfortunately been a bit lackluster for me.
#24 by Pat on 10.28.08 9:02 am |
I love typography and I love noticing when people screw it up. That said, I’ve never noticed the errors in the Phillies wordmark before they were pointed out today. To tell you the truth, they are going to piss me off for the remainder of that version’s life.
I know someone above said that they don’t like when things look too “computer generated” like the OKC Thunder’s new logo and I completely agree. I think the Phillies logo is a different case though. The OKC logo has no life because it is so obviously computer generated. But, the Phillies logo has custom lettering. The corners are bloated and the P’s small serif at the foot is curved (but very badly executed). The l’s have always bothered me because it doesn’t look like the line that starts making the loop continues into the loop.
Thanks Uniwatch, for ruining my favorite jersey wordmark. Although, after seeing Jeff’s version the Phillies’ has turned into my favorite official wordmark. Jeff’s is much better.
#25 by Jamie on 10.28.08 9:06 am |
Honestly, the new logo is cool. That said, it doesn’t really seem different enough to warrant some kind of huge overhaul by the Phillies.. It certainly looks more professional, but it doesn’t really seem to me like the Phillies organization would come out and say “ATTENTION WORLD WE HAVE A NEW LOGO” because then the people who don’t read this blog would just say “Oh… it’s… the same?”
#26 by DrBear on 10.28.08 9:12 am |
The press credential – and it looks like a pretty typical one – apparently just had a blank helmet on the other side, and somebody took a Cardinals logo with the name underneath and put it inside the helmet. I don’t know if that’s standard procedure for Carolina, but you’d think they could get some official helmet art….pretty lazy. And if you want to tie that to the ratty Phils logo, feel free.
#27 by Pat on 10.28.08 9:13 am |
Pat said:
By the way, has anyone mentioned how terrible the MLB Network logo is?
For starters the “MLB” lettering at the top looks really mashed up. None of the letters look like they have the proper horizontal scale, plus it’s just the wrong font to begin with. The variation of thick and thin lines in the M look really bad and somethings up with the loop holes on the B. The red field to the right of the batter just looks out of place. What the hell is that triangle on the bottom and why does it have a redundant white stroke? It just looks like a horrible executed and out of place piece of nothing that can fill that triangular space at the bottom of the logo.
#28 by Shawn on 10.28.08 9:15 am |
If you look at Theodore’s mask, it appears to be his old Av’s mask with a Caps logo sticker on the chin covering the secondary Av’s logo (the foot print) on his chin.
http://sportsillustr...
#29 by Joe Hilseberg on 10.28.08 9:15 am |
I personally like the Phillies logo the way it is…which is strange because I too am a graphic designer who usually sits on the side of symmetry and clean lines. However, what I love about the current “puffy” design are the inconsistencies and the feeling it gives me when I see it. Being a person who used to make jerseys, and have to hand cut the lettering, I know what it takes to have to hand cut a perfectly straight line, or a perfect curve…it’s tough. And back in the day I’m sure all of the lettering was hand cut….not to mention the patterns were hand drawn. So for me, that logo makes me think of the early days of baseball when everything didn’t have to be so perfect and computer drawn….and real people were making the uni’s that graced the field.
#30 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 9:15 am |
OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just went to check Niketalk for my daily dose and it is BLOCKED. Listed as an online community, it is now on the NSFW list.
Is UW soon to become extinct for me as well?Perish the thought!
#31 by Lose Remerswaal on 10.28.08 9:20 am |
Good article about the 17th Championship banner going up in the Gahden tonight. Includes mention of the clinch at home/road “rules” for the white or green background
http://www.boston.co...
#32 by Elena on 10.28.08 9:20 am |
Hey, what’s wrong with feminine hands?? I prefer the fat Phillies logo the way it is.
#33 by matt on 10.28.08 9:24 am |
i think that the phillies need a logo redesign also. perhaps just a stylish old english P on the jersey or something retro like the uniform from the 80s.
also im glad they cut to the local news in the rain delay. partially because im from philadelphia area and the only thing on the news was weather and the phillies. the other thing is i cannot stand joe buck. listening to him even talk makes me want to go watch grass grow. how can fox put a guy on TV who says he doesnt really like baseball? i dont know what ever. go PHILS!
#34 by Juan Grande on 10.28.08 9:24 am |
MPowers1634 said:
I wonder if they wear the same size shoe? They could buy two pairs of shoes and split the left and right shoes between them!
#35 by Kim on 10.28.08 9:26 am |
I think Jeff’s re-do of the Phillies wordmark is more like the old Phillies wordmark. As seen (kinda) on this picture if Richie Ashburn:
http://www.johnnygoo...
I think the idea of the current Phillies look (one of the best in MLB) is that it’s ‘reminiscent’ of the old style without being replicas of the old style. The logo is the 1990’s version of the 1950’s wordmark, the old version looked handdrawn, but I don’t think that was the idea for this one.
I like them both, but I also like that the generations of the look are obvious to the reader when they see pictures. (Think about Paul’s grandson working this site in 60 years, and they’re digging through old pics)
#36 by scott on 10.28.08 9:30 am |
CheeseSteaker said:
I, too, like the current logo better than the redesign. The current logo seems more modern and bolder.
And the purpose of the blip in the bar beneath the Phillies script appears, to me, to be to balance out the bulge in the base of the P.
#37 by scott on 10.28.08 9:32 am |
Peter Wunsch said:
This is the rule the minor leagues use, but I’m not sure it is as practical for the majors, where teams like to have consistency in their starting times and don’t even much like playing real doubleheaders any more.
#38 by KT on 10.28.08 9:43 am |
What time was it when they went to local news?
Because if you’re a local station and your late news is probably going to be shunted off to 12:05 am or later and you get the chance to come on before that with a big audience that hasn’t gone to bed yet, you can bet your butt you’d rather do that than hear from the frigging groundskeeper.
Local news (all TV, really) is about money. Just like everything else in life. Lame? Depends on your perspective, I guess.
#39 by simulated steve on 10.28.08 9:43 am |
MPowers1634 said:
Try using an “anonymiser” {sp] website, such as http://www.ctunnel.c... This should cloak your surfing and allow you to by-pass your network restrictions.
#40 by Nathan MI on 10.28.08 9:47 am |
Shawn said:
Wow…good fined
#41 by Jason Gomez on 10.28.08 9:47 am |
The reebok logo peeling off the jerseys, just another example of the terrible Reebok designs and workmanship.
#42 by scott topic on 10.28.08 9:49 am |
the current phillies logo looks like it was done with a magic marker. the redesign looks a lot more like our own classic typeface. love it.
#43 by Philly Al in NoCal on 10.28.08 9:50 am |
News during the rain delay would have been a welcome respite from the Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond episodes the Bay Area Fox affiliate aired on Saturday and Monday nights.
#44 by Bryan Redemske on 10.28.08 9:50 am |
Paul Lukas said:
Totally true. Journalists are in that wing, too. I’m skinny though, but I still have my chai right here next to me. Hell, it’s the reason I signed up for this. Oh, and I’m listening to a Spanish master on classical guitar. Subtle differences, my friends. Subtle differences.
#45 by Korch on 10.28.08 9:51 am |
^
I got a proxy avoidance filter warning when I tried to use the anonymiser!
#46 by Kim on 10.28.08 9:51 am |
Also remember that the new logo started when the Phillies had Pete Incaviglia, and John Kruk. The puffy logo just matched the players.
And please, God, no. No ‘retro’ 1980’s Phillies stuff, or elements in the uniform.
#47 by Jim MI on 10.28.08 9:59 am |
MON and NYI will both be wearing throwbacks this saturday when they play each other. Anyone know what throwback MON will be wearing?
#48 by Bopper on 10.28.08 10:00 am |
The Titans Blue on Blue look has Al Del Greco rolling over in his grave.
#49 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 10:01 am |
MPowers1634 said:
that means you can post more here, then
#50 by Cornellian on 10.28.08 10:02 am |
At least you got news… I got Frasier.
#51 by Justin in AR on 10.28.08 10:02 am |
I don’t know why, but I really liked the Titans baby-blue on baby-blue. Could be because I’m really partial to that color. Someone said last night that they felt like they should hate it. I felt the same, but at the same time I thought it was really nice. However, I know I’m in the minority on this.
As for the current vs. redesign Phillies logo, I like the new one. It’s cleaner and gives a crisper look. I never would have noticed the errors in the current logo though.
#52 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 10:13 am |
Was anyone else hoping it would be an actual player underneath the blanket/drop cloth thingy hiding the Islanders uni…that would have made for a Press Conference even funnier than Umpires talking about the Integrity of the field and not worrying about the Integrity of the GAME
#53 by al on 10.28.08 10:15 am |
John said:
you are correct with the arm stripe:
http://content.answe...
#54 by Duckstyle on 10.28.08 10:16 am |
LI Phil said:
I feel your pain. Reminds me of the day flickr images became blocked. Damn near every non-news site is blocked at work. If it wasn’t for a near-revolt, i.e. about 50 of us(including a VP)that organize the March Madness pool sending nasty emails to the IT group, we wouldn’t even be able to access box scores.
#55 by Brendon on 10.28.08 10:25 am |
I don’t know if we are still doing the bad names for schools, but there is a school on Cleveland named the Glenville Tarblooders.
What the hell is a tarblooder?
#56 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 10:25 am |
I know its a little late, but I was looking through my girlfriends recipe box for a recipe she needed and found this and this in reference to the sports cakes. I know they’re not actual stadiums but still kinda cool from Hershey
#57 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 10:26 am |
Brendon said:
Here’s an explanation
#58 by Brendon on 10.28.08 10:28 am |
fluxcap said:
Thanks
#59 by RCJ on 10.28.08 10:30 am |
I loved the contrast between the juvenile “pro” Phillies logo and the classy redrawn logo. The Phillies are so close to being a beautiful franchise. They have a great new ballpark replacing the hideous vet. They have a squad of well established players from Utley to Rollins to Howard to Hamels.
I see only two changes they need to make to break through. First, ditch the pinstrip home jersey. MLB has a dearth of lame pinstripe jerseys cluttering up the field when there should only be about two or three. They have a fantastic set just waiting to be used, the third “day” home jersey. That quasi throwback is fantastic. They need to make that the permanent home jersey and retailor the road to match up. Oh, and stitch the team name directly to the jersey. Patches look lame.
Then they need to alter the script as your intro suggests. Tidy up the script to add a bit of class.
#60 by Nick Maibroda on 10.28.08 10:31 am |
I was watching the World Series game at home in Montreal and I had three channels to choose from to watch the game. The Fox station broadcasting out of Vermont, Rogers Sportsnet and RDS, a french sports channel, sister station of TSN. I watched the Sportsnet feed which is Major League Baseball’s own broadcast of the game geared towards an international audience. For the life of me I can remember who the announcer was but Rick Sutcliffe was the colour guy and brought a nice alternative insight rather than Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.
As soon as the tarps went over the infield, the MLB broadcast basically ended, switching over to Sportsnet’s studio where Greg Zaun, Blue Jays catcher and Jamie Campbell (sports host/anchor)recapped the game and Zaun explained how he was mad about the game being suspended. After five minutes they also cut to their sports news.
And just to make this uni-related, I was quite surprised that Shane Victorino was probably the only outfielder wearing short sleeves and the standard ballcap, none of that Elmer Fudd silliness. He must have all of that Hawaiian heat stored somewhere in his body keeping him warm. Either that or his double-flapped batting helmet. And that’s all for a Canadian’s ramblings…
#61 by Paul Lukas on 10.28.08 10:33 am |
Nick Maibroda said:
Victorino was wearing the flap cap. He just had the flaps up (until the last inning, which I believe he too went flaps-down).
#62 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 10:39 am |
Korch said:
As did I…I guess I’ll just go and do some work or something.
#63 by Mark on 10.28.08 10:40 am |
Celtics will be wearing special jerseys tonight with gold detailing:
http://www.boston.co...
#64 by DenverGregg on 10.28.08 10:43 am |
simulated steve said:
Anonymisers are dangerous too. I know a few people who got fired for using them at work. It all depends on your employer’s web use policies.
#65 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 10:43 am |
MLB has a dearth of lame pinstripe jerseys cluttering up the field when there should only be about two or three.
more like a plethora
#66 by BrianC on 10.28.08 10:44 am |
Maybe the throwback jerseys are so popular because the fans hate the clown outfits the marketing wankers at Reebok inflicted on us. Compare the Islanders, Oilers alternates to the new ones. No comparison. And Toronto did the best job, their alternates (except for the untucked shirt hem) actually look like hockey jerseys. Better not let Gary Bettman see them, although I doubt he’s actually seen many NHL games.
#67 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 10:45 am |
LI Phil said:
more like a plethora
…and…fixed
#68 by Rich on 10.28.08 10:46 am |
Pat said:
Yes Paul has mentioned it before (including the horrible triangle) in a previous ticker. I don’t remember when exactly, but it was here.
#69 by Jet on 10.28.08 10:46 am |
Jeff Cook – nice reworking of the Phils logo. I haven’t read the other commentary yet, but as a sign/graphics designer myself, the only part I have a problem with is the “e” -where the right side loops back around to the left, it normally shouldn’t connect with the extender from the “L” – the “e” looks unnaturally big and bolder than the rest and that was what my eye was drawn to immediately…
cheers,
Jet
#70 by Jet on 10.28.08 10:47 am |
…oops, that should have read “the extender from the “i” “, not “L”….
-Jet
#71 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 10:50 am |
fluxcap said:
I follwed the link to the Tarblooder explanation.
Interesting.
The explanation was great and made me optimistic concerning their unis.
However, all they are is Wilson-made Miami Template replicas.
http://www.tarbloode...
What also struck me was their nice field-turf set up.
In this pic, many of their turfs are visible. The White with black accented Nikes are Astro Grabbers that were discontinued about five years ago.
There is also a Zoom Turf high, white with maroon accent which was also discontinued a ways back.
The third guy from the back is even wearing Fila retro fitness shoes! It’s a HS, I know they’re not outfitted, it’s just interesting!
However, i’m wondering if there’s a Nike outlet in the area, whether they have an E.M. that stockpiled old cleats/turfs or whether thay have had some alums make it to the pros and give back, like Lebron at SVSM.
Local colleges, such as Miami U. might have donated as well!
http://www.tarbloode...
#72 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 10:51 am |
The Tarblooders should also have a cool logo or decal, not the Packers/Georgia/Grambling G!
#73 by Duckstyle on 10.28.08 10:52 am |
BrianC said:
I still don’t get why Islander fans hate the current jersey design, looks great to me. But hey, I’m no hockey fan, so what the hell do I know.
#74 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 10:54 am |
DenverGregg said:
Niketalk is not worth the well-being of my family!
UW, on the other hand….JK!!!
#75 by Sean on 10.28.08 10:57 am |
Paul.
Some sad news to report. Remember that late 1960’s – early 1970’s Yankee Stadium vendors uniform? The sad news to report is the man who we determined that designed that shirt as well as did much of the graphic design for CBS at time, Lou Dorfsman, has died at age 90.
#76 by Kim on 10.28.08 10:59 am |
If MLB has a plethora of pinstripe jerseys, why tell a team that’s almost always had a pinstripe jersey with a history back to the 1880’s to change?
Are we going to ask the Yankees to get out of the pinstripe business?
Rockies, Astros, Marlins, etc, can ditch pinstripes, but I think we can let the old franchises hold onto traditions.
#77 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 11:01 am |
Duckstyle said:
Neither are most fully functioning members of our society!
Morning Teebz, Jim!
Anyway, concerning the “Monster” at the top of this page, does this guy look familiar?
http://tappanzee.ccs...
Zee is the contrived mascot of the HS that my daughters will eventually attend.
“It” attends any fun function occurring in the district from Field Day to graduations etc.
It always remind me of the Phanatic!
#78 by Andy11 on 10.28.08 11:01 am |
What’s “not a good idea” in the pic of the Titans kicker giving the “It’s good!” sign?
#79 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 11:05 am |
Has there ever been talk of a Red Titans alternate jersey?
Players like Bulluck, often wear red accented gear, gloves etc.
#80 by Terri on 10.28.08 11:12 am |
Brendon said:
In Poca, West Virginia, they’re nickname is the “Dots,” so they are the “Poca Dots.” Hey, at least someone had a sense of humor.
#81 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:14 am |
MPowers1634 said:
yup
remembered that from here
#82 by Jepic on 10.28.08 11:15 am |
As someone who works in local news…. thank god we went on, because goddamn I need to sleep here and there. I hate when the night’s news leads into the Morning Show.
But yes, it seems the larger announcing crews grow, the less work they actually do. embarassing.
#83 by Pat on 10.28.08 11:20 am |
Rich said:
Ah, well then I apologize for bringing up something that was already discussed. But I don’t think the fact that it may be the worst logo in all of Major League Baseball’s empire can be overstated. It’s just unbelievably bad.
#84 by doug on 10.28.08 11:21 am |
I think I just had an aneurysm.
http://www.easports....
This Nets is a particular standout. Contests are for lotteries and drinking, not uniforms. Epic fail.
#85 by cheechoo on 10.28.08 11:21 am |
RCJ said:
The only change I would like to see the Phillies make would be to change the road wordmark to “Phila.” Blue stars over the i and in place of the period. Unique, I guess.
#86 by Duckstyle on 10.28.08 11:22 am |
Jepic said:
As someone who works in morning news, can you explain why all morning weathermen are complete tools? And do they actually thinks it’s clever to where the green suit coat once a year so they disappear against the weather map? Please note, if you are the morning weatherperson, I’ll assume you’re the exception to the rule.
#87 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:27 am |
LI Phil said:
maybe because they have to work with someone who works in morning news
#88 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 11:28 am |
Here’s something else pretty awful, besides the Titans’ jersey:
The latest blender concoction by Nikes’ bastard step-child, Jordan Brand, is a mash-up of the six pairs of shoes that MJ wore when the Bulls won the NBA Finals.
http://pickyourshoes...
#89 by Al on 10.28.08 11:31 am |
Juan Grande said:
They are wearing the same left shoes and the same right shoes. Following the logic above, remaining in the box are two left-foot Mercurial Vapors and two right-foot Super Speed Ds.
#90 by Beardface on 10.28.08 11:35 am |
Regarding the Phillies…
First of all, there is no need to change the logo. Yes, it has its irregularities, but what old timey logo doesn’t? I mean the B’s and R’s on Red Sox jerseys have always annoyed me with their inconsistencies, but nobody is going to change them. Heck, even the Yankees’ interlocking ‘NY’ logo bugs me because they are about as asymmetrical and hand drawn as it gets. The simple fact that this logo has inconsistencies is awesome and classic.
Secondly, to whoever said they should can the pinstripes. Get real. They have worn pinstripes since… shoot, they might have been wearing them before the Yanks started. To suggest they give it up is ludicrous.
Now, as far as last night. All I have to say is that I find it fitting that with all the advertising that FOX has been doing over House this past week and the fact that they delayed Game 1 so they could air last week’s episode, that Game 5 is going to be finishing up (weather permitting) at 8:00 tonight during House’s timeslot. Hows that for karma, FOX.
#91 by Nicole on 10.28.08 11:35 am |
Chris said:
Yes!
#92 by Joe on 10.28.08 11:38 am |
Im not really feeling the redesign, i don’t think it captures the essence of Philadelphia. We are a tough city and I know our logo isn’t the classiest thing in the world, but i think its fits. The redesign is too static, the old one has character.
#93 by Matt Dub on 10.28.08 11:41 am |
After watching the Majestic video, one thing I cannot stand is that Majestic makes every on field jersey, yet still put standard block names and numbers on the backs of jerseys with team specific fonts. I hate seeing a Phillies or Red Sox (I know there are more but since I live in Eastern PA and Red Sox fans are everywhere since 2004, they’re the most common) jersey that doesn’t have their team specific fonts.
#94 by matt on 10.28.08 11:42 am |
seconding RCJ, the phillies alternate unis are tantalizingly close to being among the best in sports. agreed they should make them the regular homies, and in addition to cleaning up the logo as suggested, they need to change the goddawful font they use for the numbers and names on the back of the jerseys. thankfully they dropped the sleeve numbers, and i really like the cream tone, the blue/red pant piping, the blue outline on the lettering, and the blue cap with the red bill.
i don’t buy the argument made earlier that they should keep pinstripes because of 125 years’ tradition; they have had stretches in the past without the striping, the uniforms have already undergone several radical changes over the years, and i don’t think, despite the age of their franchise, that anyone associates the phils with classic uniform design.
#95 by chance on 10.28.08 11:46 am |
Beardface said:
I think his point was that the original “old timey” version of the logo doesn’t.
The Phillies now use a corrupted version of a great logo (Paul’s comparison of a good logo photocopied too many times is a great one).
Extending this to the caps, there’s just no comparison between this design and this one. One’s elegant and balanced, the other ham-fisted.
#96 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 11:46 am |
Beardface said:
Seeing as Game 6 was supposed to be Wednesday, and no new Bones is scheduled, I’m sure House will be on Wednesday instead, so I don’t think FOX will care, or if the game is played tonight, its only 3 innings, they have a chance to show a post-game episode if it ends early enough, kinda like the Super Bowl, seeing as they are making more money this way, I really don’t think they’ll care, anyway, FOX has ruined the World Series with announcers that don’t know how to call games, wasn’t McCarver a catcher, he should know something about balks and how umpires call balls and strikes
To uni-fy this post, I think the Phils have the best uni’s in baseball, they are simple, clean, numbers on the sleeves and timeless. Their road uni’s are even better with the stripes on the sleeve bands
#97 by chance on 10.28.08 11:47 am |
Matt Dub said:
Keeps costs down.
You want team-specific fonts, they’re very available. You just have to pay for them.
#98 by Bryan Redemske on 10.28.08 11:50 am |
Joe said:
So a tough city is honored with a lumpy, chubby, poorly executed logo?
The redesign, combined with a slightly thinner sleeve number, could look great on pinstripes. Even though I think red pinstripes are kinda lame.
#99 by Jepic on 10.28.08 11:53 am |
Duckstyle said:
#100 by matt on 10.28.08 11:54 am |
Bryan Redemske said:
take the redesign and make the lines thicker and the stars a little bigger, then you’ve got it.
#101 by joe on 10.28.08 11:56 am |
RCJ said:
a dearth that clutters? If there’s a dearth there is not many. if there’s a clutter there is no dearth.
#102 by Roscoe on 10.28.08 11:56 am |
Anyone notice the NFL logo on the press pass is last year’s version? Sloppy.
#103 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:59 am |
LI Phil said:
right…i think he meant ‘plethora’ or some similar large word
#104 by Howard on 10.28.08 12:01 pm |
Note to Estevan Bruins: It’s jerseys (plurel), not jersey’s (possessive).
#105 by Mike Engle on 10.28.08 12:01 pm |
Beardface said:
Quick Dressed to the Nines browsing suggests the Phillies had pinstripes briefly in the 20’s, and then always at home since 1950. Personally, I don’t think the red pinstripes look good. I always thought the Phillies at home looked like a bunch of candy canes running around. I think the creams make for a good look and the road grays are fantastic, but the home pinstripes probably will and should stay simply for tradition’s sake, especially because they themselves look like faux-backs to 1950-1969.
#106 by Patrick on 10.28.08 12:05 pm |
RCJ said:
I echo all the above points, and would add that they’d be perfect if they’d get rid of that silly rounded number font and go with a more standard block style.
#107 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 12:07 pm |
Al said:
Good Job, Al…great minds think alike…check out post #17.
With your vast knowledge of footwear and the Titans kicking game, would your full name Al Bundy Del Greco?
http://i7.photobucke...
http://www.footballs...
#108 by simulated steve on 10.28.08 12:12 pm |
Yes I say dump the pinstripes and bring back the Saturday night specials http://toddzilla.fil...
#109 by Paul Lukas on 10.28.08 12:16 pm |
Today’s ESPN column is up:
http://sports.espn.g...
#110 by Patrick on 10.28.08 12:19 pm |
I also agree with the crowd here that doesn’t care for red pinstripes. Red pinstripes aren’t bold enough to contrast with white, and from a distance have a tendency to look more pinkish. Pinstripes should only be black, navy or royal blue.
Jeff’s redesign of the Phillies logo is beautiful. Well done.
#111 by RCJ on 10.28.08 12:21 pm |
Philadelphias pinstripes aren’t historic and iconic. The Yankees pinstripes have never gone away since their inception. Those are iconic pinstripes.
But moreover, a city that is supposed to be the voice of the blue collar working shouldn’t have a team that from a distiance looks like they are wearing pink. And thats what the red home pinstripes always look like to me, pink and confused. Maybe if they were using a maroon color it would be better, but no. Its bright freaking red and the Phils look like the breast exam team from a distance.
Nothing, nothing looks better than a cream uni and their stripeless “throwbacks” are a very slight cream. Their on the verge of perfect.
The current pinstripe set is on the verge of gay, not that theres anything wrong with that.
#112 by RCJ on 10.28.08 12:25 pm |
a dearth that clutters? If there’s a dearth there is not many. if there’s a clutter there is no dearth
right…i think he meant ‘plethora’ or some similar large word
I have a tendency not to edit myself when typing fast. I intended plethora, thanks for the correction.
#113 by Al on 10.28.08 12:27 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
My knowledge of Bironas and Heinrich’s footwear consists solely (no pun intended) of what I copied from your post, Matt.
And, funny you mention it, that is my name (except for the Bundy part). Which is why I took particular joy with post #48.
#114 by Freddiepickles on 10.28.08 12:28 pm |
Being a Phillies fan I have been doodling the Phillies logo and a rough Phanatic sketch on my home chalk board (usually used for messages to my wife or grocery lists when it is not the World Series), and while trying to copy the logo I noticed how awkward the design was. Never did I think about redoing it, but I really like this newer logo. I think it is not only cleaner, but more consistent with a professional franchise.
My second note is regarding the Titans smurf look. My college football glory days are long over, but while playing for Widener University the school colors were baby blue and gold (to match the Widener family racing silks no less), they have since been changed to a more royal blue and yellow scheme, but back to my point. We wore white cleats (possibly in honor of Billy “White Shoes” Johnson our most famous alumni), but on senior day the seniors wore their black practice cleats, and were allowed to pick the uniform. My freshman year they chose blue on blue, and it was hideous. I always thought white pants, and blue jerseys were more consistent with smurfs as they wear white pants and no shirt, but as far as a football team goes… you have to mix up the white and blue. As Charles Barkley would say “The monochromatic look is TURRIBLE”.
#115 by matt on 10.28.08 12:32 pm |
not only do the red pinstripes look pink from a distance, the red logo atop the red pinstripes does them no favors, either.
#116 by Mike Engle on 10.28.08 12:39 pm |
Speaking of the Titans, is anybody else less than enamored with the fact that their uniforms are very avant-garde/modern/flashy except for the pants, which are really traditional with their simple stripe patterns? To me they don’t match in personality, only in color. Not a good thing.
#117 by Steve Prudente on 10.28.08 12:41 pm |
actually that upgrade looks a lot like the logo used to look back in the 50’s
#118 by The Hemogoblin on 10.28.08 12:41 pm |
I don’t understand why you all are bitching about the Phillies’ uniforms…
Don’t you all have bigger things to worry about?
#119 by John on 10.28.08 12:47 pm |
I grew up in Philly and went to games regularly from ‘57 to the 70s. The current unis’ use of white trim on the wordmarks and numbers is common in MLB and should go. As said above, it makes the lettering look like iron-on patches rather that stitched lettering, and on tv, the white takes over. A great improvement is the current dodgers’ road unis, with “Los Angeles” sewn on without the white. Classy and easy to read, much better than the recent white-trimmed unis. Look at photos of the Phils’ classic unis (1950-68?) and the chain-stitched Phillies wordmark is gorgeous. Finally, the bright-red color is no match for the deep red of the 50s-60s.
#120 by Joe Hilseberg on 10.28.08 12:49 pm |
Another aspect of this whole Phillies logo debate is that everyone is only considering the lone wordmark. The only major place it is used that way is on the uniform, but mainly it is displayed as part of the full logo.
http://www.talkpa.ne...
I whipped this up to show a cmparrioson between the current logo and the proposed “better” version.
http://www.jerseynam...
I think the “better” version get a little lost in there with all of the thin-to-thick stroke variations…but I digress.
——-
Also just viewed the NBA preview and this kiss-cut technique now widely practiced has got to go…it looks like ass up close.
http://farm4.static....
#121 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 12:52 pm |
The Hemogoblin said:
you mean aside from the fact that it’s the lead story?
#122 by Teebz on 10.28.08 12:53 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
Neither are most fully functioning members of our society!
Morning Teebz, Jim!
They should have used the Fisherman for the alternate. They probably have hundreds at the CCM factory still.
In all seriousness, I think they’re decent, considering Reebok’s track record in the field of hockey jersey design. The socks annoy me, but only the players wear them. The jerseys themselves are alright.
Oh, and before I forget…
“Ladies and Gentlemen, Welcome to my underground Lair. I have gathered here before me the world’s deadliest assassins, and yet, each of you has failed to kill Matthew Powers. That makes me angry, and when Dr. Evil get angry, Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset, and when Mr. Bigglesworth gets upset people DIE!” LOL
#123 by scott on 10.28.08 12:53 pm |
LI Phil said:
White Sox, Twins, Yankees, Cubs, Rockies, Marlins, Astros, Mets and Phillies is a plethora of pinstriped uniforms?
#124 by The Hemogoblin on 10.28.08 12:54 pm |
LI Phil said:
What I’m trying to say is that they’re really not that bad… and also, that “new” logo takes away the character that the old one has. It looks too sanitary and clean. It doesn’t have enough human input in it, there’s nothing defining about it…
#125 by Bryan Redemske on 10.28.08 12:55 pm |
#126 by The Hemogoblin on 10.28.08 12:56 pm |
scott said:
Of that gaggle, only the Rockies, Marlins and Astros have changed to it recently… so they should go.
Rainbow Guts needs to return.
#127 by Mike Engle on 10.28.08 12:58 pm |
scott said:
Pirates on Sundays, Brewers on Fridays.
Used to be more. Reds, Padres, Expos, Angels. But I still think red pinstripes are ugly and pinstriped grays are pointless.
#128 by The Hemogoblin on 10.28.08 12:58 pm |
#129 by Al on 10.28.08 1:01 pm |
Mark said:
I think the Celtics’ gold-trimmed jersey looks much better than the Sox’s version from Opening Day 2005.
http://mlb.imageg.ne...
#130 by Robert on 10.28.08 1:09 pm |
Regarding the following from the ESPN column:
the Bobcats’ January checkerboard motif (supposedly a NASCAR shout-out, although you’d think the Pacers would have first dibs on any racing-inspired design, no?).
No. Indiana may have the most famous and storied track, but North Carolina is home to pretty much the entire NASCAR industry, including the teams’ home bases.
#131 by Jake on 10.28.08 1:10 pm |
Joe Hilseberg said:
#132 by Paul Lukas on 10.28.08 1:10 pm |
Robert said:
But the Pacers’ TEAM NAME refers to racing. That’s what I meant.
#133 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 1:11 pm |
LI Phil said:
absolutely…but only if they do it like such
not so much if they ruin it like so
#134 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 1:17 pm |
Not entirely uni-related, but has anyone seen how much baseball cards are these days? Then and now, inflation is a bitch, not only are they more expensive but you get 33% fewer cards! At least you still get the gum though!
#135 by The Hemogoblin on 10.28.08 1:19 pm |
LI Phil said:
Obviously. There’s no way those faux-backs would work for me.
#136 by Bopper on 10.28.08 1:20 pm |
It looks like the “new” Phillies redesigned logo looks like the towels that have been making their way around town this playoff season.
#137 by JAson on 10.28.08 1:22 pm |
Hey, maybe you guys can help, who makes this hat??
http://lf.hatworld.c...
#138 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 1:24 pm |
JAson said:
New Era right? Maybe Nike? Wait, that’s the Blue Jackets, so CCM? I’m just guessing though, there’s no clear logo badging on it
#139 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 1:27 pm |
fluxcap said:
FOX wins, game 5 resumes on Wednesday!
#140 by The Hemogoblin on 10.28.08 1:30 pm |
fluxcap said:
Good grief.
#141 by ScottyJ in WV on 10.28.08 1:30 pm |
fluxcap said:
U-G-L-Y, you ain’t got no alibi…….
#142 by Dave on 10.28.08 1:35 pm |
Howard said:
Note to Howard: It’s plural (a), not plurel (e).
#143 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 1:37 pm |
the answer:
LI Phil said:
the question:
“what two words won’t you be hearing next tuesday night?”
#144 by dwight on 10.28.08 1:39 pm |
” like what you’d get if you took a crisper version (like Jeff’s) and xeroxed it, and then xeroxed the xerox, and then xeroxed that, and so on. That happens to be exactly what’s happened at so many companies over the years”
Any examples off the top of your head?
#145 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 1:42 pm |
I especially like the “radar” image MLB used, i guess normal Doppler wasn’t good enough since it failed Bud last night.
#146 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 1:43 pm |
LI Phil said:
I think we all lose next Tuesday, no more baseball and a night of the networks trying to make the election coverage like sports, fun!
#147 by Daniel on 10.28.08 1:44 pm |
in the nba preview, the nuggets are missing a few things. the logo has been changed to a navy background as opposed to a sky blue one, and the home and away jerseys have new piping down the side. you can see all the changes on the chris creamer page
http://sportslogos.n...
#148 by Jim MI on 10.28.08 1:44 pm |
fluxcap said:
Wow, did they do that on MS Paint?
#149 by Aram on 10.28.08 1:45 pm |
In an interview with former Michigan Wolverine and Golden State Warrior Cazzie Russell, Cazzie says about his time in San Francisco that ““My only regret was I got there the year after they wore the jerseys with ‘The City’ on them.””
That’s pretty awesome.
http://interviewbask...
#150 by Kim on 10.28.08 1:51 pm |
fluxcap said:
What if they had Tim McCarver working Election Night?
#151 by Robert on 10.28.08 1:55 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
I have always assumed that the Pacers’ name referred primarily to horseracing. Is a checkered flag used in horseracing?
I guess that the Pacers’ name could refer to the pace car at an auto race, though, but it feels like a stretch.
#152 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 1:59 pm |
Kim said:
Worst. Night. Ever. I mean, he could do it, since he goes on and shows he doesn’t know anything about baseball, I guess he could only prove he knows nothing about politics, right?
#153 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 2:00 pm |
LI Phil said:
you owe me both a new monitor and a new keyboard
#154 by JTH on 10.28.08 2:03 pm |
Robert said:
It’s actually supposed to be a combination of the two.
#155 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 2:05 pm |
fluxcap said:
New radar image up, even more juvenile! I guess MLB is doing all of their youth promotion for Game 5
#156 by KB on 10.28.08 2:15 pm |
I wonder if there are different rates for the advertising behind certain Washington coaches and players.
Coach Zorn has Budweiser and Bank of America. I think QB Campbell had FedEx(?). I assume that Chris Cooley would have an Enzyte logo behind him.
I wonder if a guy like me could pay for a message behind the 4th string QB or one of the practice squad players.
#157 by nididakes on 10.28.08 2:18 pm |
i disagree entirely about the phillies logo. the jeff version is undoubtedly a better typeface, but the phillies logo isn’t a typeface — it is a wordmark, a graphic rather than a font. its flaws (aside from the poorly centered stars) and bluntness are endearing like the phillies themselves (i am a mariners fan). the too-small i-stems actually create a nimble contour in contrast to the character uniformity in the second logo. script letters along the front of the jersey are bulky because they need to be sewed in fabric, not printed on paper.
paul may be right about the awkward degradation of logos copied from secondary sources, but this (the redesign) is the error that happens when modern designers never get out of their Adobe environment and think about the actual application of their design in sports. i do, however, like the darker maroon, which speaks “phillies” to me better than the current red.
#158 by Duckstyle on 10.28.08 2:23 pm |
JTH said:
Maybe it’s because because I’m about as versed on horse racing as I am on water polo, but I’ve never heard Pacers and thought once about it being tied to horse, or more specifically,harness racing at all. Although from what I’ve found online it was intended to be a combination of auto and harness racing, weird.
#159 by Mike Miller on 10.28.08 2:29 pm |
JTH said:
Correct, here is the official name history from the team web site.
http://www.nba.com/p...
No, they don’t use checkered flags in horse racing.
Indy is the center of motorsports for open-wheel racing and drag racing, as most of the teams in those circuits are centered there, as well as their most important races (Indy 500, U.S. Nationals) Charlotte for NASCAR-type racing. Depending on which type of racing you prefer, your center may vary.
#160 by Mike Miller on 10.28.08 2:31 pm |
Roscoe said:
Yes I did, two strikes on the press pass.
#161 by JTH on 10.28.08 2:34 pm |
Justin in AR said:
Yeah, that was me. For some reason, I just thought the look worked. When I first flipped to the game, my immediate reaction was revulsion, but it only took about 30 seconds for my eyes to adjust.
I truly don’t understand why. I hate it when white-helmeted teams wear colored pants and I hate monochromatic jersey/pants combos even more.
Maybe it had something to do with the dark blue yoke (which I also hate) on the jerseys or the classic look of the Colts’ unis that made the game easy on the eyes
#162 by Duckstyle on 10.28.08 2:36 pm |
Joe Hilseberg said:
Finally someone makes a pic post that isn’t (insert blocked website here)!
That altered Phillies logo would be a huge upgrade. The regular logo has always looked as if it was something I could have drawn myself(terrible penmanship), while the “improved” logo looks classy and perfect. And I’m not one for the ole “the imperfections give it character” argument here. Sure that statment works with some things, like an antique desk for instance; but when your talking about THE symbol attached to an organization, well that damn logo better be perfect. And the blue-collar, hard-nosed city deserves a blue-collar logo argumnet BS is just that, BS. Damn near every large city has it’s fair share of blue-collar workers. Your town is no more badass, or hard working than mine is, so get over yourself. And take some pride in your workmanship, fix that damn logo. Or don’t, do whatever the hell you feel like doing.
And yes, the red pinstripes make their uni look pink from far away, and the new old-schoolish uni is much better.
#163 by Chris on 10.28.08 2:41 pm |
Jon said:
Who doesn’t like it when McCarver talks about Rear Window?
#164 by PK on 10.28.08 2:42 pm |
#165 by Beardface on 10.28.08 2:44 pm |
As for re-designing the Philly Phanatic…
http://sportsillustr...
#166 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 3:10 pm |
scott said:
Not quite. If a team is ahead after 5 (or 4½) and is called, it’s final. The only significant difference between MLB & MiLB is that the minors will suspend a game before 5 innings are complete.
Also, aversion to DH’s may be a reason not to change the rule but the rule has existed long before current scheduling preferences. More likely, because possibly travelling from NY to STL in 1930 to play two innings seemed impractical.
The problem now is the possibility of having to make up multiple games. Because of the DH situation, there are very few open dates and fewer common open dates. With the unbalanced schedule, there are a number of clubs that play only once in a city, thus no chance to pick it up again. If it affects tiebreakers (like the AL Central this year) it has to be played first.
My personal feeling on last night was its fine to treat it that way but to do it surreptitiously was wrong. Apparently, the players had no idea about the change. Also, if there was no urgency to finish the game (because it would be suspended) it play the last couple innings in those conditions was disgraceful.
#167 by JTH on 10.28.08 3:12 pm |
Matt Dub said:
This drives me nuts, too. Living in Chicago, I obviously see tons of Cubs & White Sox jerseys and I see a ton of them with that generic font for the numbers and NOBs.
It’s more subtle for the Sox jerseys, because the official jerseys use block numbers/letters (in a different style, so it still does look like crap) but the Cubs jerseys are just atrocious because they should have the rounded numbers.
Good Cubs
Bad Cubs
Good Sox
Bad Sox
#168 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 3:12 pm |
Duckstyle said:
It just hit me what I like so much about the current Phillies logo and what I think is missing from the
1940’s and 1950’slogo is character. The current logo is fun, creative and looks unmanufactured, even with the reservoir tip underlining it.#169 by JTH on 10.28.08 3:22 pm |
better?
#170 by JTH on 10.28.08 3:23 pm |
I guess not.
#171 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 3:24 pm |
sorry striking that all out, what i meant to say was:
It just hit me what I like so much about the current Phillies logo and what I think is missing from the
1940’s and 1950’sJeff’s logo is character. The current logo is fun, creative and looks unmanufactured, even with the reservoir tip underlining it.#172 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 3:25 pm |
Amazing what leaving off one little / does…hope no one freaked out too much, won’t happen again
#173 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 3:25 pm |
JTH said:
Maybe I’m looking at this wrong but isn’t this as simple as replica vs. authentic and the difference in the cost of each? I mean if the replicas were done to the exact specs as an authentic, how many authentic s would you sell? Also with very few exceptions, most MLB have double (or triple) numbering and a number of clubs have double lettering. The replicas are VERY SIMPLE in lettering and numbering and that would seem more conducive to mass production.
The answer is, if you want real, buy real.
#174 by Tim on 10.28.08 3:26 pm |
The Hemogoblin said:
Of that gaggle, only the Rockies, Marlins and Astros have changed to it recently… so they should go.
Rainbow Guts needs to return.
The Rockies and Marlins have worn pinstripes since franchise inception. How exactly have they “changed to it recently”……?
As far as the Astros, I always preferred the alternate white uni with red cap to the pinstripes with black cap. Houston really does feel like a team that went black for not other reason than “it was what marketing people thought would sell”.
#175 by steve on 10.28.08 3:29 pm |
Jet said:
JET- I helped my brother Jeff with the “re-draw”, not “re-design” of the Phillies mark. I think your comment is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. Now i believe i need to go back and make that minor correction in the “e” at your recommendation.
Nice observation. Good logo design always takes a lot of different eyes and many “tweaks” to work it to perfection.
Thanks for the positive critique!
Steve Cook
#176 by KT on 10.28.08 3:32 pm |
The great book “Loose Balls,” on the history of the ABA, also quotes someone (forget who) as saying that a tertiary tie-in to the Pacers name was that they hoped the team would “set the pace” in basketball or local sports or something like that. Probably something they realized after the fact.
#177 by Kim on 10.28.08 3:33 pm |
#178 by Dennis Abrams on 10.28.08 3:33 pm |
Paul, I agree that switching to local news during a rain delay is usually a pretty unpopular decision but can you honestly say that you would have rather listened to Joe Buck and Tim McCarver “improvise”? I never thought I’d say but I’d prefer Ernie Anastos 99 times out of 100.
#179 by JTH on 10.28.08 3:34 pm |
Lwiedy said:
Yes, obviously, and I can understand with the Cubs’ unique font, but look at the White Sox jersey. The block style IS EVEN SIMPLER than the one they use on the replicas. I can overlook the plain black numbers without sliver trim, but at least get the font right.
Hell, even a replica Cubs jersey would look better with that more basic block style than what you see on the example I linked.
#180 by Kim on 10.28.08 3:35 pm |
Lwiedy said:
A few years ago, MLB/Majestic let you buy replica jerseys and have authentic numbers put on them. Then they realized that they weren’t selling many authentic jerseys, so they instituted the Replica’s get crappy numbers and Authentic’s get the real deal.
But there’s a couple of real good non-MLB stores out there that’ll hook you up with real numbers on a replica.
#181 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 3:37 pm |
steve said:
Steve sorry, for coming off as bashing the logo rework, I just feel like the current Phils logo embodies something that isn’t in the rework, maybe it is that the rework is somewhat perfect (a compliment to your efforts), I guess its hard to adjust to a new logo idea and I’m so used to seeing the current one plastered all around town, so I hope nothing was taken the wrong way
#182 by Beardface on 10.28.08 3:40 pm |
Another thing that is nice about the current Phillies logo is why the 2nd star is off center with the I. When its just by itself, you can’t tell, it just looks a little funny, but when they include it with the actual Liberty Bell logo, you can see how the star actually creates the border to the Liberty Bell. Very subtle, but pretty cool once you realize it.
Also, its not like the designers are horrified of overlapping parts of the Wordmark. I mean, just look at the jerseys where the P partially overlaps the top of the h.
#183 by nate on 10.28.08 3:44 pm |
first, on the Phils, logo, I actually am one who disliked it before, but the comments are bringing me back to the original. Except that I almost drooled thinking about Jeff’s revised logo on the cream jerseys, that would be the classiest uni in pro sports.
second, when you all complain about tim mccarver, think about how much worse it is for a phillies fan, when we are so spoiled with harry kalas on a nightly basis for the whole season.
#184 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 3:46 pm |
JTH said:
But when you can use the same letters/numbers for the Sox, Marlins, Rockies, Orioles and Pirates, that is what they will do. When you boil down the basic MLB team colors to black, navy, royal, & red (am I missing any) you have an awful large stock at a minimum cost. Every time you stock just for one (in the replica quantities) cost increase.
I know you (and I) are the exception, but most could care less and most are the one’s buying most of these jerseys.
#185 by Mike on 10.28.08 3:47 pm |
I like the current logo better than Jeff’s redesign. But not enough to call him a pussy.
#186 by RCJ on 10.28.08 3:56 pm |
“I don’t understand why you all are bitching about the Phillies’ uniforms…
Don’t you all have bigger things to worry about?”
- Points are duly noted. I think the thing is that a lot of us see near perfect execution of a teams design and we’d like to finesse it to finish it off.
White Sox, Twins, Yankees, Cubs, Rockies, Marlins, Astros, Mets and Phillies is a plethora of pinstriped uniforms?
Pirates on Sundays, Brewers on Fridays.
- Thats over a third of teams that wear pinstripes with some regularity during the season. I’d say thats a plethora. The Pirates have a great home jersey without the pinstriped version. The Astros White with Red is better than the usual pinstripe set. The Marlins and Rockies need to get a grip on their uniform multiple personality and pick a set. Perferably no pinstripes, vests or solid black vests with black undershirts (fuck Rocktober). The Twins can put together a better set, the Phils have a better home jersey waiting for them and of course the Brewers always comes down to the glove logo or not. Personally, they need to pick an identity too, and my suggestion would be to drop the naby and gold and go back to the glove logo and back to the old colors.
But the Mets, Yanks, Cubs and Sox should be the only pinstriped teams. And I’d even tweak a few things about the Sox.
#187 by MPowers1634 on 10.28.08 4:01 pm |
Al said:
I totally missed $48…Very funny!
#188 by steve on 10.28.08 4:01 pm |
Steve sorry, for coming off as bashing the logo rework, I just feel like the current Phils logo embodies something that isn’t in the rework, maybe it is that the rework is somewhat perfect (a compliment to your efforts), I guess its hard to adjust to a new logo idea and I’m so used to seeing the current one plastered all around town, so I hope nothing was taken the wrong way
Fluxcap- Your opinion is as valuable as mine or anyone else’s. What I’m getting from most of the comments that favor the existing mark is that they like the WEIGHT of it. I, personally, don’t. That part is subjective. I would suggest that there is a way to satisfy some by taking what Jeff has done and just adding a bit more weight, but we obviously decided on a thinner version to suit our tastes. Again, subjective. The part that is NOT subjective is the fact that Jeff has given more design integrity to the mark with more balanced letterforms, and adding a smoother transition from letter to letter. Looks more like sombody “designed” it than “barreled it with a blunt-tipped marker”.
By the way, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with computer-generated design. Jeff drew this re-design by hand. All i did was “execute” his script by Adobe Illustrator instead of ink & paper. it would have turned out the same way had I executed it with by pen.
Steve
#189 by Jebensch on 10.28.08 4:12 pm |
Mike Engle said:
The Titans entire visual presentation is just plain awful. I’d point to the double-blue but that would undermine the impact of their logo’s awfultude. Is there any grass-roots Tennesseans who are pushing a reconsideration of the package? It’s a classy team that deserves a classy look.
#190 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 4:14 pm |
steve said:
I think nate hit the nail on the head, your rework would look amazing on the cream unis, especially since those are somewhat throwbackish (new word?) and the rework harkens back to the 40’s-50’s style, much like my Indians alts wordmark harkens back to an age…ok so its not so golden but you get my point, the word mark on the alts is different than the normal tribe home unis, which is one of my favorites.
#191 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 4:19 pm |
Jebensch said:
I was watching last night after the WS game was delayed, and thing that struck me was how the light blue pant/jersey combo, especially with non-striped socks made them look somewhat “un-Titanic” the players actually look far smaller than actually are because you have no contrasting elements
#192 by Beardface on 10.28.08 4:23 pm |
steve said:
What are your opinions on the NY Yankees logo? You know, the one they wear on their home pinstripes.
It is regarded as one of the best in sports, but when you look at it, its a horrible design that is nowhere near symmetrical, the N looks completely forced, and the Y is completely off center. The logo itself looks like its supposed to form a boxy shape, but when that isn’t happening because the Y dips too far below the N. Its got too many issues to list that are wrong with it, but thats what makes it good. Sure, you could make a Yankees logo that would be more appealing to the eye and more appealing in a design aspect, but it would lose something in the process.
Just because someone can make a design that is more designer-friendly, doesn’t make it a better design. Sometimes, and this is the case with the Phillies and the Yankees, their flaws are what make them good.
#193 by JTH on 10.28.08 4:31 pm |
fluxcap said:
That Grady Sizemore jersey is another example of a team that uses the simple block numbering but the replica goes all serif-happy
Even a silk-screened number/name in the correct font would look better.
#194 by Justin in AR on 10.28.08 4:32 pm |
fluxcap said:
I liken the Titans powder-blues to those of the powder-blues that were once used in baseball. Very good look if done right. I don’t suppose it looks as good in football, and granted for a team called “Titans” powder blue in general may be the wrong color, but I like it. By far my only exception for monochrome colors in football.
#195 by Brandon on 10.28.08 4:56 pm |
When I think Phillies logo I think this:
http://www.sportslog...
It also looks like today’s redesign isn’t all that original:
http://www.sportslog...
#196 by Brandon on 10.28.08 5:02 pm |
I posted this in the comments last week, but it didn’t get picked up. Now that there is another example I’ll throw it out there again.
Luis Arroyave writes a Chicago Fire blog for the Chicago Tribune. Back on October 9th he did a write up on the evidence of use of a performance enhancer on the Fire’s keeper Jon Busch’s kit. You can see more evidence of it on the October 27th post.
http://blogs.chicago...
you’re gonna have to scroll down
#197 by chance on 10.28.08 5:08 pm |
JTH said:
All teams do this. It’s part of MLB’s contract with Majestic.
#198 by JTH on 10.28.08 5:15 pm |
chance said:
Yes. That’s been established. Nobody’s suggesting otherwise. It doesn’t change the fact that it looks like crap.
#199 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 5:15 pm |
Brandon said:
are you talking about the vicks vapo rub?
#200 by Duckstyle on 10.28.08 5:22 pm |
LI Phil said:
I’d noticed that on a lot of gk’s over the years, always assumed it was a partar like substance for grip. Seeing vicks vapo rub always reminds me of a dare of good friend of mine fell victim to many moons ago. Lets just say it shouldn’t be applied below the belt.
#201 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 5:24 pm |
LI Phil said:
agreed…and i KNOW i read his poste because i made the comment that i once confused vicks vapo and vaseline…a mistake one only makes once
#202 by Justin in AR on 10.28.08 5:28 pm |
The Razorbacks Red Pom Squad has new uniforms for the ‘08 basketball season.
http://razorbackspir...
This is uni-related isn’t it?
#203 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 5:43 pm |
this is why throwbacks backfire
#204 by LarenR on 10.28.08 6:31 pm |
“Hi. My name is Laren and I have a UniWatch problem.”
“Hi Laren.”
“I realized I had a problem when I took my three year old daughter to one of those downtown-business-district trick or treat events. I was walking around, thinking to myself, ‘Scooby’s tag is gold with a blue center, not solid gold.’ And, ‘Minnie Mouse’s shoes should be yellow, not black,’ and so on. I don’t know if I’ll be able be able to control myself when the hordes come to my door on Friday. My wife thinks I’m crazy. I think I need help.”
#205 by Chris on 10.28.08 6:43 pm |
LI Phil said:
Nothing wrong with this: the stirrups sansabelts, and green underbrims. Prefect execution?
#206 by Justin in AR on 10.28.08 6:45 pm |
LarenR said:
Hey, it’s okay, Laren. I told a co-worker today not to wear brown shoes with a black belt and vice-versa. Says to me, “what the hell, dude? You the fashion police or something?” Oh, little does he know. However, it’s not a matter of an addiction. It’s more of “an attention to detail” as I like to tell folks. Otherwise, it’s just annoying. :)
#207 by Justin in AR on 10.28.08 6:47 pm |
Chris said:
They’re button-ups. Should be pull-overs.
#208 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 6:58 pm |
Justin in AR said:
well, i was more referring to the execution, or lack there of…the merrill brims, mora’s wearing pjs, half the guys don’t know how to blouse their trou, every uni is 3 sizes to large, stirrups look like shit…you know, the details
as much as i, and others, bemoan today’s styles, wearing yesteryear’s unis in today’s styles is, to me, worse than bad
some of you agree…some of you think i should stop telling you to get off your lawn…it just ruins whatever image i might have had of these unis worn the way they were supposed to, seeing this ‘aughts’ twist
#209 by Marcus from B-More on 10.28.08 7:05 pm |
LI Phil said:
i still don’t see how this styling
http://www.babble.co...
is any different from this styling
http://reflectionsym...
they both seem rather loose and ill-fitting…..
#210 by Marcus from B-More on 10.28.08 7:09 pm |
Marcus from B-More said:
changing the link
#211 by Marcus from B-More on 10.28.08 7:24 pm |
i don’t see the difference in this
http://www.babble.co...
from this
http://z.hubpages.co...
#212 by C.N. on 10.28.08 7:30 pm |
#213 by C.N. on 10.28.08 7:33 pm |
closed
#214 by C.N. on 10.28.08 7:35 pm |
C.N. said:
closed
Louisville logo
http://upload.wikime...
Arizona logo
http://www.nflfootba...
#215 by Chris on 10.28.08 7:53 pm |
LI Phil said:
Now that I see what you’re talking about, I understand and agree with you.
#216 by Bill on 10.28.08 8:06 pm |
I like the current Phillies logo. It doesn’t look like a 5th-generation photocopy, but something hand-cut. I own two authentic Phils jerseys (one home pinstriped, one road gray) from the 90s and I can’t imagine another logo being better.
As far as numbers and names being applied to jerseys, I got the Phillies themselves to put John Kruk’s name and number on my jersey back in the late 90s, before MLB took over all such things. It was cool being able to send in my jersey and have them sew the stuff on. The real lettering versus the generic stuff that they apply to so many jerseys these days is a huge difference.
#217 by jokstrap on 10.28.08 8:13 pm |
Marshall U in green helmets tonight.
#218 by Dobber on 10.28.08 8:13 pm |
Marshall is wearing green helmets with a white “M” tonight.
#219 by jokstrap on 10.28.08 8:16 pm |
The Marshall helmets would look so much better with white masks.
#220 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 8:29 pm |
marshall is another example of the monochrome look gone horribly wrong…i am one who actually likes the concept, but they really need to be of matte finish, not glossy
gives the appearance of two different green hues (jersey and pant) and the helmet adds a third subtle, but perceptible difference in shade…almost reminds me of boise st. on their blue field (in all blue unis)…just…not a good look
#221 by Brandon on 10.28.08 9:00 pm |
Pictures of the celtics championship rings. I personally think it would look better in yellow gold, but the shamrock is classy.
http://nba.fanhouse....
#222 by scott on 10.28.08 9:57 pm |
Did anyone note this article that claims UMass wore black pants for the first time in school history?:
http://www.boston.co...
#223 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 10:42 pm |
Marcus from B-More said:
The difference is JJ had little choice. Uniforms were heavy flannel and direct contact with skin was extraordinarily uncomfortable. There was no flexibility in the fabric so extra room was necessary just to function.
The other hammerhead is just taking it to an extreme because that he’s pretty sure it’ll piss off “the man”.
See the difference?
#224 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 10:49 pm |
Justin in AR said:
Nope, white (and grey) jerseys were always button-up. Orange was pullover.
#225 by fluxcap on 10.28.08 10:51 pm |
It’s another Batman sighting…this time its Daniel Gibson
#226 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 10:51 pm |
Lwiedy said:
jj is the man
/or is he just steppin out?
#227 by Marcus from B-More on 10.28.08 10:54 pm |
Lwiedy said:
doing something out of necessity as opposed to choice? Ok because it’s was needed, not ok because he chooses to??
#228 by Chuck on 10.28.08 11:00 pm |
Jason Gomez said:
and to add insult to injury, the jersey prices are very high, as compared to the CCM’s.
#229 by Justin on 10.28.08 11:03 pm |
scott said:
YEAHHH!!! Finally some love for my Minutemen on UW. I walked into that game and those black pants definitely stood out. I’ve seen them do Black jersey with maroon pants but never the black pants.
#230 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:04 pm |
any truth to the rumor that after watching the marshall game, the jets are gonna break this out?
#231 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:05 pm |
LI Phil said:
what the f*ck?
the LINK is there (put your cursor on “gonna break this out”)…but it’s not showing up in the text
#232 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:08 pm |
don’t wanna let me link? f-you… i’ll do it myself
any truth to the rumor that after watching the marshall game, the jets are gonna break this out?
#233 by gppittjk on 10.28.08 11:14 pm |
LI Phil said:
wait, that long style of stirrups can look good? ive never seen it… (im gonna get torched for this i know… but its my opinion)
#234 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 11:19 pm |
Marcus from B-More said:
Don’t think I said anything about it not being ok, did I? If I go to work dressed like a guy who lives under a bridge, that’s my right but it will probably be looked at negatively by many, especially since I don’t have to. Manny didn’t always look like that, it evolved as a several other attitude “adjustments” did.
Look, he can dress pretty much any way he wants, but to compare the two as you did makes no sense. They are similar for entirely different reasons and without any additional clarification from you, it is reasonable to infer from your comparison that the statement was intended to be another “the old men are hypocrites” proclamation that periodically appear here. Was it not?
#235 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 11:37 pm |
Lwiedy said:
BTW- the “original” comparison is nothing that hasn’t been posted here dozens of times before. It just as redundant as if I posted “Manny’s a slob” everyday. Got something new, bring it.
#236 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:45 pm |
Lwiedy said:
no…at one time he looked normal
and he wore his uni properly
somewhere along the line … this happened
…BUT…if i don’t care if he does this…when he’s terrorizing the NL east in orange and blue next season
/he’ll still be a slob though
#237 by Lwiedy on 10.28.08 11:50 pm |
LI Phil said:
…and that’s OK. If he calls to ask my opinion, I’ll be honest with him, I’m in the book.
#238 by LI Phil on 10.28.08 11:59 pm |
gppittjk said:
yes they can
#239 by scott on 10.29.08 7:04 am |
LI Phil said:
Those look horrible.