Remember my recent ESPN column about unusual uni-related moments in MLB All-Star Games? We appear to have another one on our hands — or, at the very least, an interesting mystery to figure out.
The incident in question was brought to my attention by reader Joe Alvaro, who forwarded me two photos that a friend recently showed him. The pics show the 1977 American League all-star squad sitting for a team portrait. Notice anything amiss? You might not, because it’s hard to see in that shot, but take a look at the second photo, apparently taken just as the photo shoot was disbanding, and you’ll see that one of the players was wearing a Yankees road uniform — which makes no sense at all, since the game was played at Yankee Stadium.
If you go back to the first shot, you can see that same player standing in the center of the top row, in between Dennis Eckersley (Indians) and, I think, Wayne Gross (A’s). There were five Yankees on that year’s all-star team: Reggie (second row, yawning), Willie (right next to Reggie), Sparky (top row, with his back partially turned toward the camera), Graig (I think that’s who Sparky’s talking to), and Thurman (or maybe that’s who Sparky’s talking to, which means either Thurman or Graig is missing from this portrait). Our mystery player in the road uni definitely isn’t any of those guys.
So I checked the photo against the 1977 A.L. roster and began ticking off names. I found that six players on the A.L. team weren’t present for that photo shoot: Vida Blue, Mark Fidrych, Don Money, Nolan Ryan, Frank Tanana (who was named to the team but was injured and probably wouldn’t have around for a photo shoot anyway), and either Thurman Munson or Graig Nettles.
I was hoping one of the missing all-stars would match up with our mystery player. Then we could say with some certainty, “Nolan Ryan [or whomever] misplaced his uniform, so the Yankees’ equipment staff found a spare road uniform for him to wear at the photo shoot.”
But now I’m not so sure, because I don’t think our mystery player looks like any of the MIA players. We can immediately rule out Munson, Nettles, Blue, Ryan, and Fidrych, and I’m pretty sure it’s not Tanana either (who, remember, was injured anyway). That leaves Don Money — I couldn’t remember what he looked like, so I googled him and came up with this. Again, doesn’t look like our mystery player.
So who was wearing that Yankees road uni, and why? It couldn’t have been a batboy or anything like that, because you wouldn’t put a batboy in the center of the top row of a team portrait. If you’ve got ideas, or if you’ve spotted a flaw in my logic, speak up.
Raffle Redux: Our friends at SoccerPro.com have given me another $100 gift card to raffle off. Just like last time, it can be applied to any of their replica soccer jerseys and gear. To enter, send a blank e-mail with your name in the subject line to the raffle address (not to the usual Uni Watch e-mail address) by 10pm eastern this Friday, September 5th.
Rules are the same as they were for last month’s raffles: If you’re enrolled in the Uni Watch membership program, you can send in up to four e-mails; everyone else gets one e-mail (and I’ll be checking multiple e-mailers against the membership roster, so don’t bother trying to cheat). I’ll announce the winner next Monday.
Uni Watch News Ticker: The NFL announced yesterday that all players will wear a Gene Upshaw memorial patch on their jerseys this season. That article says everyone will wear it on “left chest” area, but I’m assuming they’ll move it to the right side for teams that already have patches in that region this season (Lions, Titans, Rams, Steelers, Jets, etc.). But then what about the captaincy patches, which are worn on the right? I’m trying to find out what the deal is with that — as you may have noticed, the captaincy patches haven’t been worn in the preseason, but that doesn’t mean they won’t be worn when the regular season begins this Thursday. I’ve got a call in to the NFL office about this — will advise. … If you choose to believe a leak of questionable origin — and I’m not saying you shouldn’t — the NBA’s OKC team’s logo will look like this. … Several readers have noted that the raised-felt “C” logo patch has frequently been missing from Geovany Soto’s catcher’s helmet this year, presumably because of friction from the straps of his mask. Now they’ve apparently given up on using the raised felt patch and have instead given him standard decal, as you can see in this screen grab that Bryan sent me over the weekend. … We’ve talked several times about those clear anti-scuff helmet decals that players have been wearing in practice. But Ray Rice was wearing one in a game last Thursday (with thanks to Rick Friedel). … DI-AA Western Carolina has new uniforms (with thanks to Chris Geis). … Lots of cool striped socks at the Australian Football International Cup, as seen being worn by the UK, Nauru, China, and South Africa. The various team captains make for a colorful display (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Also from Jeremy: The Women’s Baseball World Cup recently took place in Japan. Weirdest team uni was India, whose home uni didn’t even say “India,” except on the cap brim. … The Canucks have released 10 finalists for Curtis Sanford’s new mask design. Plus they’ve posted staff picks and a gallery of past Canucks masks (with thanks to John Muir). … Interesting video clip here about a Blue Jays jersey storage room (with thanks to Ted Stempak). … Interesting eBay listings here and here. … Great article here on college trophy rivalries (with thanks to Susan Freeman). … Some really good shots of Oregon’s reflective uniforms here and here (with thanks to Steve Sundell). … Awesome (but somewhat lengthy) video clip here showing how LSU’s equipment manager applies stripes and decals to the team’s helmets. Amazing stuff (big thanks to Derek Ponamsky, who says there’s more where this came from). … Not really uni-related, but still interesting and fun (courtesy of Jeffrey Waszak). … The Pedro porthole was in full bloom on Sunday. … Speaking of Pedro, Nicholas Schiavo notes that he was wearing an orange undershirt and solid-black cap while sitting on the bench on Friday, while the rest of the team was wearing the black/blue cap. Even worse, he’s become the latest player to start wearing those Phiten-branded socks. Fortunately, that particular disease hasn’t yet spread throughout the team. … Bill Henderson has acquired what he believes to be a prototype for the first knit pullover Royals jerseys for the 1973 season. “Notice the V-neck trim — solid blue, not blue-white-blue like on the team-worn versions. Also note the sleeve end trim — it is a soutache braid, nearly like that on the sleeve ends of the last flannels of 1972. But the real kicker is, to me, the Wilson tag in the collar which has the vertical red line next to the size marking — the style that was used through the end of the flannel era, and last seen in 1973, which is when I would surmise this jersey was made. While it’s possible that a fan could have ordered this as a souvenir in 1973, retail sale versions of MLB jerseys were very, very rare in those days. I am 99% sure it is a prototype.” … The Des Moines Register is running an Iowa State helmet poll (with thanks to Jack Coyier). … No photo, but Dave Shucosky notes that Denny Bautista still has a “D.” initial on his red vest’s NOB, even though Jose Bautista was traded, making Denny the team’s lone Bautista. … Team Handball is going to use “smart ball” technology at the 2009 Men’s World Handball Championship in Croatia (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … A big Uni Watch shout-out to Wynn Pelzer of the Fort Wayne Wizards, whose stirrups are a thing of beauty (courtesy of Stanton Smith). … The Edmonton Eskimos will be wearing green helmets this Friday (thanks to Roy Ellingsen). … Anyone know what that yellow decal is on the back of Arizona’s helmets? … “This is John Afoa of the All Blacks,” writes rugby specialist Caleb Borchers. “Apparently the All Blacks take that extra little step, and initial the gear they give out.” … “The Kansas Jayhawks are touring Canada, playing three exhibition games against Canadian Universities,” writes Moe Khan. “It looks like they’re wearing a different uniform, along with no names on the jersey. Any news on them getting a new look?” That’s news to me. Anyone..? … Vince Young had his number retired by the Longhorns the other day. Since he’s an NFL/Reebok guy, he had to tape over the Nike logo on the pullover he wore for the occasion. If you don’t see this as a symptom of something very, very wrong in our culture, I’m afraid you and I just aren’t living on the same planet. … Pitt used to have this panther-head logo, but then it was revised like so. Now Chris Hilf says the old design is making a comeback: “Our family was at the game Saturday (season tickets, natch) and we saw the old logo everywhere — on the sideline, on the tunnel where the team enters, on the pants, etc. When we ran into someone we know who works in the athletic dept., they told us Steve Petersen is quietly returning to the old panther head logo, with no announcement.” … The whole “Los” thing is lame, and so is the use of a nickname on a team’s jersey. Add those two strains of lame-itude together and you get this. … Bill Monti has a very odd Phils/Pirates hybrid cap. “I got from a family friend when I was roughly 10 or 11 (so, 1983 or ’84). It just so happens that this family friend is the grandson of Pirates Hall of Famer Kiki Cuyler. The grandson was employed by (or owned, I don’t recall) a company that created licensed merchandise. This hat was either an intentional misprint, so to speak, as a gag, or (more likely) simply a mistake with the wrong ‘P’ embroidered on. There are no tags whatsoever on the inside, which probably indicates that it was pulled from the production line before they would’ve been applied. The only identifying mark is a brand name, ‘Natural Season,’ on the plastic adjusta-strap on the back. Unfortunately, since I got it when I was so young, I didn’t really take good care of it. I’m pretty sure the first thing I did was put a crease (or three) in the bill.” … I’m sticking to what I said over on ESPN last week: I think the new Colorado jerseys, with their raised-dot shoulder panels, look pretty cool. Can’t say the same about the pants, however. … Reprinted from Sunday’s comments: Now here’s a cool uniform. … The Marlins all went high-cuffed yesterday, for good luck. That’s Dan Uggla wearing the accursed Phiten-logo sox. … Joe Hilseberg, you’re gonna hate this: Check it out. Is that the lamest job of nameplate sewing ever or what?
#1 by Adrian on 09.02.08 8:29 am |
Re: the AL All-Stars.
Why is Eck and Jim Kern wearing different INDIANS jerseys?
#2 by Matt on 09.02.08 8:31 am |
I dont know if you had noticed yesterday but a slight tweak to the Rutgers uniforms, they went block numbers last year and have since to a more rounded number font, major downgrade. Two major downgrades in two years.
#3 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 8:31 am |
would this count as “logo creep”?
it’s not on the uni…but seriously, that little “ad placement” prolly cost more than the GNP of several small countries…
well done, adidas
#4 by Steve on 09.02.08 8:32 am |
I wonder if the mystery player is a Yankee Stadium staffer who grabbed a road uni and sneaked in the photo as a goof?
#5 by Scott on 09.02.08 8:44 am |
Wow, the powers-that-be at Tennessee have been watching too many Nascar races to pull an obvious stunt like that.
But, more importantly, that OKC logo is absolutely atrocious if it is, indeed, the real thing. What’s wrong with designers today that they think a forward-leaning, heavy typeface speaks “action”? Do they think that’s the only way to communicate? Awful. There’s just no history taken into account for design today.
#6 by michael on 09.02.08 8:45 am |
It’s Leonard Zelig.
#7 by Blackwater Park on 09.02.08 8:53 am |
It looks somewhat like Yankee OF Roy White, but his 1977 numbers aren’t exactly All Star worthy.
#8 by Jim MI on 09.02.08 8:55 am |
LOVE old hockey pics. The 11th pic in the link is Gary Bromley. He has one of the coolest goalie masks I think i have ever seen.
http://canucks.nhl.c...
Also LOVE the first pic of Curt Ridley for multiple reasons. One, his goalie pads look how goalie pads SHOULD look. Probably brown leather (assumption seeings it’s a B&W photo), and his mask is awesome, he’s just asking for someone to hit him between the eyes.
I will be looking at this slideshow all day. Man, I love old hockey photos….
#9 by William Harrison on 09.02.08 8:57 am |
Boston Bruins goaltender Tim Thomas’ new mask will look like this:
http://bruins.nhl.co...
Looks like he is drifting away slightly from his custom “mage” mask, other than the cage front…
#10 by Jim MI on 09.02.08 9:07 am |
William Harrison said:
Pretty good mask, too bad he’s going away from the style he had last year. Very unique style of mask. Don’t rememeber seeing that style of mask before him. He’s from Davison MI too. About an hour north of where I live.
http://cache.viewima...
#11 by Tim on 09.02.08 9:14 am |
Interesting Uni-related happenings in Massillon, OH…where the hometown Tigers have switched their helmet from black to white but are being made to “earn their stripes” as a team before taking the field with a helmet complete with a stripe and logo.
Week 1 – No logo or stripe.
Week 2 – Stripe but no logo.
While I’m here, Massillon Tiget Helmet Project is one of the best uni-obsessed high school sites i’ve ever seen. Check it out.
#12 by steve on 09.02.08 9:16 am |
I think you already answered your own question.
http://sports.espn.g...
#13 by steve on 09.02.08 9:22 am |
Sorry,
I see that’s the wrong year, but isn’t it likely the same type of thing happened?
#14 by Bill on 09.02.08 9:23 am |
Could it be this guy
http://en.wikipedia....
#15 by MPowers16 on 09.02.08 9:26 am |
As for the Iowa Stae helmet poll:
I voted for the yellow with the cyclone graphic.
http://services.nirv...
Although, I love the color scheme of this one:
http://node2.nirvani...
The small I inside the large I seems redundant, no?
http://node2.nirvani...
#16 by MPowers16 on 09.02.08 9:30 am |
Tim said:
I remember reading an article in SI about Masillon and their arch rival, McKinley.
I thought that Chris Speilman of Ohio State and Detroit Lion fame had gone there, but alas, he did not!
#17 by MPowers16 on 09.02.08 9:32 am |
MPowers16 said:
Starting to become a bit crowded, no?
http://www.massillon...
#18 by Robert on 09.02.08 9:37 am |
Colorado’s pants seem to feature a gold silhouette of the State of Arizona with a tampon string hanging down from it.
http://assets.espn.g...
#19 by Tim on 09.02.08 9:38 am |
Tim said:
Chris Spielman WAS a Massillon Tiger..
And yes….the helmet is becoming very crowded. I read that the Paul Brown and Steve Studer decals will remain on the helmet, not sure about the others though.
#20 by El Rey on 09.02.08 9:45 am |
Is it me, or does the All Blacks jacket look navy?
Also, those Oregon jerseys have to be illegal.
#21 by Jason on 09.02.08 9:51 am |
Bill said:
Awesome!
Re: Thunder logo
I wouldn’t put it past the NBA to put out an inferior product, but the word ‘Thunder’ appears to be REALLY off-center on that ball, which leads me to believe it may be a cheap knock-off.
#22 by Robb on 09.02.08 9:54 am |
I actually thought the Colorado pants looked far better than the jerseys. They are like the first “non-traditional” pants “striping” motif I’ve actually liked.
#23 by Chris F. on 09.02.08 9:56 am |
I don’t post often but if you go here
http://images.tsn.ca...
then you’ll see a pic of the Green helmets. They wore them yesterday for Labour day.
(sorry if linking is screwy :( )
#24 by Blackwater Park on 09.02.08 9:57 am |
1st time, long time.
Spielman did go to Massillon, which is also known as Massillon Washington.
The unknown 1977 Yankee All Star is not Barry Breman. I met him in the 1990’s and that is not his mug in the team picture.
#25 by Joe Hilseberg on 09.02.08 9:59 am |
Joe Hilseberg, you’re gonna hate this: Check it out. Is that the lamest job of nameplate sewing ever or what?
I really hope that is just a strange fold or something..if not that guy needs to be fired immediately!
#26 by Joe Hilseberg on 09.02.08 9:59 am |
Maryland Athletics to Announce Official Outfitter Tuesday
Link here: http://umterps.cstv....
#27 by Cosmo on 09.02.08 10:08 am |
Joe Hilseberg said:
Money’s got to be on Under Armour, right? If I recall, the founder is a former Terp and a big booster.
#28 by u2-horn on 09.02.08 10:09 am |
The nameplate certainly looks off center in relation to the number, but look how off center the numbers appear to be in relation to the mlb logo
#29 by Taha on 09.02.08 10:25 am |
I read an article in one of today’s Detroit papers that the Lions players just elected their captains on Monday. that could be why there weren’t any of the “C” patches in preseason.
#30 by DJK on 09.02.08 10:28 am |
Anyone else think the orange pants Tennessee wore yesterday looked VERY good and is their best uni combo?
Too bad they will probably never wear it again after that egg they laid.
UCLA is one of my top 3 college football unis, so I thought that game was beautiful to the eye.
#31 by TD on 09.02.08 10:30 am |
re: Last ticker item.. going by the placement of the MLB logo as center, is it me, or does the nameplate look straight and the numbers were attached off center to start with?
#32 by Brian on 09.02.08 10:30 am |
As far as those Kansas uni’s go, adidas typically send teams temporary uniforms to wear on off-season trips, since new uniforms will not be ready and last year’s wouldn’t necessarily be available. I know when Tennessee went overseas last year, they got a couple of sets with a new test fabric, and they gave some of the jerseys away to teams they played against on the trip in the spirit of the whole soccer-style jersey exchange.
#33 by Broadway Connie on 09.02.08 10:31 am |
… Lots of cool striped socks at the Australian Football International Cup, as seen being worn by the UK, Nauru, China, and South Africa. The various team captains make for a colorful display (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Also from Jeremy: The Women’s Baseball World Cup recently took place in Japan. Weirdest team uni was India, whose home uni didn’t even say “India,” except on the cap brim
JEREMY BRAHM IS THE BEST!
#34 by Duckstyle on 09.02.08 10:34 am |
Robb said:
My sentiments exactly. The jerseys look fine, in the non-game pics I thought they look ridiculous, but on the field they were OK, nothing terribly bad or great about them. But although I’d have done them a little differently myself, the pants looked really cool. I wished they’d gone with just the dashed dot panels. Reminded me a lot of the pic below, and if you don’t think that’s cool, I think you’re a lost cause.
http://www.musclecar...
#35 by John T on 09.02.08 10:40 am |
El Rey said:
That is correct, but it is their training top, funny thing is the stars on the back
http://www.allblacks...
probably to reflect the NZ flag
http://www.aidanandh...
#36 by Greg on 09.02.08 10:43 am |
Adrian said:
There also appears to be two different Rangers jerseys. Blue on the player at the bottom right of the first row and white on the player on the far left of the back row.
#37 by Cork on 09.02.08 10:44 am |
I’m no expert, but those Oregon photos have to be photoshopped. When you zoom in on the guy in the front row going into a 3-point stance (4th from right) you can see the reflective material is not lined up with the pants correctly.
also, why is there no variation in the amount of reflection from portions of the sleeves that are not facing the camera? Shouldn’t the portions facing directly at the camera be brighter?
#38 by Eriq Jaffe on 09.02.08 10:46 am |
Chris F. said:
Is it just the lighting, or is that a red stripe inside the oval? The article in the ticker shows a yellow stripe, so I’m assuming it’s a lighting thing…
#39 by jere on 09.02.08 10:46 am |
For some reason I feel compelled to give my opinion that the second of the two All-Star game photos is probably just before the shoot, not just after. And I love seeing the candid shot of Reggie talking to Yaz.
#40 by Cork on 09.02.08 10:47 am |
Cork said:
and one more point on the Oregon unis. both photos are blurred in many areas, especially with moving players. and yet none of the reflective materials appear to be blurred.
#41 by jere on 09.02.08 10:48 am |
Burleson, not Yaz. Whoops. And is that a motorcycle in the second shot? Maybe the mystery guy is the motorcycle driver…
#42 by Hed-Bone11 on 09.02.08 10:49 am |
I’m no expert, but those Oregon photos have to be photoshopped. When you zoom in on the guy in the front row going into a 3-point stance (4th from right) you can see the reflective material is not lined up with the pants correctly.
also, why is there no variation in the amount of reflection from portions of the sleeves that are not facing the camera? Shouldn’t the portions facing directly at the camera be brighter?
Probably done by NASA, I heard they even faked a moon landing.
#43 by My Name is Not Earl on 09.02.08 10:57 am |
Cosmo said:
And, they already outfit the football team, so it would be a logical next step.
#44 by Rick on 09.02.08 11:03 am |
Wouldn’t those textured bumps provide the opposing team more grip for them to hold on and tackle the Colorado players? Isn’t that the opposite affect you want on a uniform? Most jerseys are extra tight and slick so the other team can’t get you. Seems detrimental to me.
Also, with the Oregon reflectors, I’m surprised opposing coaches haven’t protested playing against them in those uniforms. Maybe it doesn’t flash as much on the field, but it would seem they would be distracting to the opposite team.
#45 by Joe Hilseberg on 09.02.08 11:04 am |
My Name is Not Earl said:
But Basketball is another big money maker, and they are Nike…so we’ll see
#46 by Charlie on 09.02.08 11:05 am |
Maybe i’m crazy but i could’ve sworn that in his CFB preview column Paul said that Tennessee would have orange lettering on it’s away uni nameplates instead of black which would look ten times better. Last night they still had black. Anyone know what gives?
#47 by Tim on 09.02.08 11:08 am |
DJK said:
I liked ‘em too. UCLA is such a nice uniform. That shade of blue is just perfect.
#48 by El Rey on 09.02.08 11:11 am |
Here is video of Oregon’s new jerseys. The best look comes when they show the players on the sidelines at about 15 seconds.
#49 by Matthew on 09.02.08 11:14 am |
Isn;t one of the all-stars wearing a hard hemet with no ear flaps as well? That sort of stuck out when I saw the photo at first. Go Buffs! Love the new uniforms too, but would rather see them with gold pants…that is when they are playing an opponent that does not wear gold pants…
#50 by Glen on 09.02.08 11:17 am |
LI Phil said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
#51 by Billy on 09.02.08 11:22 am |
Charlie said:
You aren’t crazy… I said the same thing to my wife when watching the game last night.
#52 by chance on 09.02.08 11:23 am |
Matthew said:
Going without ear flaps wasn’t all that uncommon in the mid-1970s.
#53 by DawgFan on 09.02.08 11:25 am |
Probably one of the most aesthetically pleasing games of the weekend:
http://www.printroom...
The result was pretty good too.
#54 by tedkerwin on 09.02.08 11:28 am |
My memory of an HBO special narrated by Tim McCarver called Not the greatest moments in sports related the tale of a sports imposter that managed to sneak into various All-Star games, photos, the warm up layup line in the NBA, Super Bowl Ref etc. I wonder if this is one of those instances.
#55 by TomR on 09.02.08 11:40 am |
Did any one notice that Rutgers helmets has a litter bit of a shimmer to them during yesterdays game against Fresno State. Is this new or did I just never notice it before.
#56 by Juan Grande on 09.02.08 11:43 am |
The Price is Right just had a uni-related prize package. Five “official NFL” football jerseys (including a Browns jersey for Drew Carey), five helmets, and some footballs. The “total retail price” was $1170. I guess TPIR Gets It!
#57 by The Rob on 09.02.08 11:43 am |
DJK said:
I am the exact opposite, I love the TN all white uniform. I was so excited to see that with the fabulous UCLA unis and was very disappointed when I saw the orange pants.
#58 by Nick Maibroda on 09.02.08 11:56 am |
Eriq Jaffe said:
You’re right, it is a lighting thing. Here is a photo of it on their site: http://www.esks.com/.... Hope the link works!
#59 by mike 2 on 09.02.08 11:58 am |
The Eskimos wore the green helmets for the first time yesterday. I think the stripe in the logo is their usual gold but now I’m not sure after seeing that photo. Adding red to their logo for a game against the Stampeders wouldn’t make much sense.
Also from yesterday’s game, the Stamps wore gold pants. According to the newspaper here, first time since the 1960s.
http://a123.g.akamai...
#60 by Roger Faso on 09.02.08 12:00 pm |
I know this doesn’t help, but the mystery guy looks like a cross between Stan Javier and Claudell Washington.
#61 by Chris F. on 09.02.08 12:03 pm |
mike 2 said:
I saw some of the game and had to do a double take. The Stamps looked like a knock off of the ’80s San Fran 49′ers!
#62 by MPowers16 on 09.02.08 12:04 pm |
Joe Hilseberg said:
It was mentioned on NIKETALK about four months ago that Gary Williams and the AD had switched to UA.
Every other sport has switched over, it’s basically a given!
#63 by Jack on 09.02.08 12:05 pm |
I thought Tennessee was going to sleeve numbers and getting rid of the black outline on the road uniforms.
What happened to that?
#64 by Brad on 09.02.08 12:11 pm |
Bill in post #14 is correct, the impostor in the AL All Star team photo was Barry Bremen. I met someone at the 1978 ASG in San Diego who had knowledge of the situation from the year before at Yankee Stadium.
#65 by Roger Faso on 09.02.08 12:11 pm |
in my search for the mystery guy, i turned up a picture of a cow, dressed like robin yount.
http://www.flickr.co...
#66 by Tom W. on 09.02.08 12:20 pm |
Looks a lot like Amos Otis to me….he was on the ‘76 team, though.
#67 by Roger Faso on 09.02.08 12:20 pm |
1977 Yankee Team Photo
http://www.thedeadba...
#68 by Pretty Boy Paulie on 09.02.08 12:24 pm |
El Rey said:
I’m in an extreme minority here when I say “I love Oregon’s uniforms.” I absolutely love the use of 3M Scotchlite on the uniform. I just ask that they remove the “Oregon” from the pant leg.
I hope to see this combo again…
http://farm3.static....
Or with the green jersey instead.
#69 by Like the River on 09.02.08 12:25 pm |
New memorial logo on tOSU helmet.
http://www.ohiostate...
It is an AR for DR. Gee’s daughter and son in law.
#70 by Like the River on 09.02.08 12:34 pm |
So that is now 5 logos on the OSU helmet. and this is even before the buckeye leaves get put on! AR for the presidents kids, 24 for tyson gentry, the American flag, the ncaa logo and then the persons uni number.
#71 by Paul Lukas on 09.02.08 12:37 pm |
Charlie said:
The adidas style sheet that was released a few weeks ago turned out to be wrong.
#72 by Paul Lukas on 09.02.08 12:37 pm |
El Rey said:
Sorry, but what’s new about the jerseys?
#73 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 12:41 pm |
Pretty Boy Paulie said:
i think, you, me, powers and marty are the only ones who like oregon’s unis…or at least SOME of them…
this one was my favorite…
before they started adding all that
SHITdiamondplate anyway#74 by Jet on 09.02.08 12:44 pm |
Jim MI said:
Ain’t it grand, Jim???
-Jet
#75 by Frank on 09.02.08 12:45 pm |
Pretty Boy Paulie said:
Until they go back to this, they look like crap.
#76 by Minna H. on 09.02.08 12:47 pm |
Paul and Caleb, thank you for brightening my morning with a tidbit on the best-dressed team in any league (not to mention the best-looking team in any league). More on the All-Blacks would be greatly appreciated.
I think all the memorial patches and such are getting out of hand. Radical thought–what if there was nothing on the jerseys but numbers and team name? Oooh, I like it.
#77 by Jet on 09.02.08 12:48 pm |
Man, I love baseball all-star games. Not to watch the game per se, but just for the team photo shoots where you get to see all those different unis together in one place. Helps you to clarify which ones you like and don’t like when you have instant comparisons…
-Jet
#78 by Minna H. on 09.02.08 12:48 pm |
Frank said:
True that, Frank. I am stridently ignoring them in hopes that they will fade (and I do mean fade) away.
#79 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 12:49 pm |
LI Phil said:
you owe me a new keyboard ;)
#80 by Seattle Zach on 09.02.08 12:49 pm |
Here’s a picture of Barry Bremen. He doesn’t really look like the guy in the Yanks’ road uni either.
Bremen posing as a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader
#81 by The Ghost of Ross Gload on 09.02.08 12:50 pm |
Those Kansas uniforms are almost certainly one-offs for the Canada trip. (They do look a lot nicer than our typical practice gear.) I find it amusing that the triangular side panels on the jerseys are very similar to those of the last set of Nike jerseys from the Roy Williams era. I don’t think adidas is that short on ideas….yet.
KU also broke out a similar set of red jerseys for the Canadian trip. Bill Self has said he doesn’t really like the reds, but KU will wear them a couple of times this year to make adidas happy – last year they were worn for an exhibition game and for the traditional December game in Kansas City. (Against green-clad Ohio U. Fitting for the holidays, I guess.)
#82 by Casey (Davis, CA) on 09.02.08 12:55 pm |
Re: India’s women’s baseball unis.
India is indeed printed on the front of the uni. If you look closely, there is just a slightly lighter shade of navy blue used for the lettering. I can see “DI” located between the player’s elbows.
you can also see her number (21) on her upper left thigh and left shoulder in the same color.
http://www.ibaf.org/...
#83 by Frank from B-more on 09.02.08 1:18 pm |
As a UMD fan I am glad that Gary is giving up Nike. Hopefully UA doesn’t do something stupid with the basketball uni. Please return to the old style before SoD was forced on us.
#84 by chris j on 09.02.08 1:19 pm |
the arizona sticker i think is from the military.
they spent a couple of days of camp at a base
#85 by chance on 09.02.08 1:23 pm |
Like the River said:
It is without a doubt a personal tragedy that his son-in-law was killed in a traffic collision and that his daughter was seriously hurt.
But is it a university tragedy? Unless they were connected with the University, than it isn’t. Another example of the grief commodification we’re seeing more and more of.
#86 by James on 09.02.08 1:30 pm |
I wouldn’t imagine that the Oregon jerseys with the 3m shine under normal light, it has to be a very bright flash like from the camera. Just like Jordan 5’s that have the 3m around the tongue, etc. so that they would flash bright in pictures.
#87 by Alex on 09.02.08 1:35 pm |
wait, isn’t “mets” technically a nickname too?
#88 by The Hemogoblin on 09.02.08 1:38 pm |
Pretty Boy Paulie said:
Please. Nike. Listen to me. As someone who has spent every damn day of their life bleeding green and yellow, CHANGE THEM BACK!
Also, for the person who posted the picture of the Rose Bowl (travesty), I prefer the Akili Smith era uni with no stripes on the arms…
#89 by Jim MI on 09.02.08 1:41 pm |
Jet said:
I looked over them again during lunch :)
I know it’s known as the uglist uni ever. But I want the VAN uni with the ‘V’ orange red jersey that broduer is wearing. It would confuse the shit out of people because they would think it’s Martin Broduer, and not his father.
#90 by Scott B on 09.02.08 1:50 pm |
My question about that 1977 AL All-Star photo is who is the guy in the front row, second from the left? He’s not wearing a hat and he looks like he’s in a plain white t-shirt, white pants and white shoes.
#91 by noelamezquita on 09.02.08 1:53 pm |
I love the “LOS” jerseys! bring on more of those fuckers!
#92 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 1:54 pm |
Please. Nike. Listen to me. As someone who has spent every damn day of their life bleeding green and yellow, CHANGE THEM BACK!
Hemoglobin, I know you’re talking about the Ducks. But as a Packers fan (yeah, I know they’re “green and gold”), I offer this Ducks link to you in general and to the group in particular:
http://www.flickr.co...
#93 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 1:57 pm |
noelamezquita said:
why?
#94 by Flip on 09.02.08 1:59 pm |
Boy, that Royals prototype really looks like something you’d order from Sears. Glad they went with the royal white royal stripe. But that flannel version is great.
We wore heavy flannels when I was in Little League. I was always envious of the lighter weight version the pros wore. Still seems to me that flannel would be much more comfortable than the thick polyester.
This shows my age — that and the fact I still can’t understand the appeal of black athletic socks.
#95 by marc on 09.02.08 2:02 pm |
marc said:
LOL! YES! You could also argue that “Dodgers,” “A’s,” “White Sox” and “Red Sox” are nicknames as well. (”Phillies too?”)
#96 by Ben on 09.02.08 2:05 pm |
DawgFan said:
I agree…when the highlights came up during the game I was watching, I did a double take. 2 classic unis in the same game doesn’t happen all that often in college football anymore. I also posted last night how much I like the orange Tennessee pants with the stripes. I just hope it doesn’t lead to orange on orange home unis. Like the Vols classic home look.
#97 by Jeff P on 09.02.08 2:07 pm |
Looking at it, the Uniforms issue gets even more wierd. http://exhibits.base...
Yankees are the only AL team to wear pinstripes that year. Yankees have 5 all stars right? Look here:
http://farm4.static....
Count the players in pinstripes.
2 in the upper left talking to each other, one with the Yankees logo showing on the cap.
2 sitting on the bench near us,
2 sitting on the ground near us,
1 on the far side of the photo, overexposed a little looking like he’s in a white T shirt (there are stripes, but they’re faint)
And of course our player in the road uni.
That brings us to 8 yankees.
The unidentified player in the road uniform looks like Mike Torrez to me, judging by this photo:
http://www.thedeadba...
So…
#98 by Ben on 09.02.08 2:08 pm |
Pretty Boy Paulie said:
Oh god…My Eyes!!! Why did I look????
#99 by Paul Lukas on 09.02.08 2:08 pm |
marc said:
“Mets” is the official team name. It derives from the word “metropolitans,” but the team is not, and has never been, named Metropolitans. It has always been named Mets.
That is different from “D-Backs,” which is a nickname version of the team’s official name, which is “Diamondbacks.”
#100 by Andy11 on 09.02.08 2:09 pm |
Perhaps the player isn’t a player, but Yankees manager, Billy Martin…who also managed the ‘77 A.L. All Stars.
#101 by mattbucher on 09.02.08 2:10 pm |
I posted this with name tags here: http://www.flickr.co...
I think Don Money IS in the picture. Not sure that it’s Mike Torrez since he wasn’t on the AS roster or game log. Were there any NL players traded to the Yanks right before the AS game? Any Mets that got confused?
#102 by Justin in AR on 09.02.08 2:12 pm |
marc said:
Pretty much any team name or mascot is a nickname, but the nickname in question,”D-Backs”, is a nickname for “Diamondbacks” much in the same light with “A’s” being a nickname for “Athletics” or “O’s” for “Orioles” and so forth.
I think the point being made is that if you’re going to do that lame ass “Los” in front of the “nickname” at least put the full nickname or the spanish version of the nickname, don’t abbreviate it.
#103 by My Name is Not Earl on 09.02.08 2:13 pm |
What I want to know is this . . . in that ‘77 Yankees team photo, why did Jim Hunter find it necessary to wear his glove?
#104 by Ben on 09.02.08 2:16 pm |
marc said:
Yes, but d’backs is short for their official “nickname” of Diamondbacks. While Mets is short for Metropolitans, Mets is the official team name.
#105 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 2:18 pm |
I think Don Money IS in the picture.
That does look like him, mattbucher. (He was my favorite Brewer before Yount.) Money and Slaton were the only two Brewers All-Stars in ‘77, and Slaton wore 41.
#106 by Kevin on 09.02.08 2:18 pm |
Pretty Boy Paulie said:
You are not alone, I love ALL of the Oregon uniforms combinations. I still think that this is the best helmet in football.
#107 by Ben on 09.02.08 2:18 pm |
Ben said:
Sorry, a couple of people beat me to the punch.
#108 by Glen on 09.02.08 2:21 pm |
The Hemogoblin said:
like this?
http://sportsillustr...
#109 by Paul Lukas on 09.02.08 2:22 pm |
mattbucher said:
That’s not Don Money — I’m pretty sure it’s Brewers skipper Alex Grammas, who was an A.L. coach that year. Look at him — way too old to be a player.
#110 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 2:22 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
from the official new york mets website:
LI Phil said:
now im confused…i agree with paul’s statement, but the official website seems to indicate that “mets” is indeed a nickname for “New York Metropolitan Baseball Club, Inc.”…although obviously, that name has never been used as anything other than the business (corporate) name…
#111 by Paul Lukas on 09.02.08 2:23 pm |
Or maybe it is Money. Dunno. Either way, doesn’t really address our mystery-man question.
#112 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 2:25 pm |
Kevin said:
fixed ;)
#113 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 2:28 pm |
That’s not Don Money — I’m pretty sure it’s Brewers skipper Alex Grammas, who was an A.L. coach that year. Look at him — way too old to be a player.
Yeah, maybe, Paul. Hard to tell if the ears are protruding the way Money’s did (and presumably do):
http://thatsmyboy03....
#114 by Zac on 09.02.08 2:31 pm |
Not sure if this has been posted before, but here’s a shot of Giants pitcher Tim Lincecum back in 05 playing for the Harwich Mariners of the Cape Cod League. Nice lookin’ striped stirrups he’s got there.
#115 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 2:31 pm |
Or maybe it is Money. Dunno. Either way, doesn’t really address our mystery-man question.
Right. Mystery Man looks Latino or light-skinned black. Grammas, Slaton and Money are all quite Caucasian.
I love that Reggie’s yawning. Hard work being the straw that stirs the drink. ;-)
#116 by mattbucher on 09.02.08 2:36 pm |
The mystery man is also discussed in this thread and the two theories are Yankees BP pitcher/bullpen catcher Dom Scala or else an NL batboy since the yankees were obligated to provide batboys for both squads. Still seems odd to see anyone but a player or coach in that pic.
#117 by chance on 09.02.08 2:37 pm |
Alex said:
Yes, but it’s the official nickname. It’s part of the team name.
The distinction he’s trying to make is of official nickname v. unofficial nickname. “Mets” v. “Amazins”.
The name of the team is “Arizona Diamondbacks,” not “Arizona D-Backs.” D-Backs looks as stupid as “Brew-Has” would look on a Milwaukee jersey.
#118 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 2:39 pm |
Wow! Good hunting, mattbucher.
That would explain the road grays: If he is a Yankees batboy, then they stuck him in the Yankee road uni so that he’d blend in over by the NL dugout.
#119 by chance on 09.02.08 2:39 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
A common misconception, and one that drives me up the wall.
#120 by Paul Lukas on 09.02.08 2:41 pm |
Tom Farley said:
But why would a batboy be positioned dead-center in the top row? Makes no sense.
#121 by Eric on 09.02.08 2:42 pm |
I agree with the guy suggesting its Billy Martin. Same glasses and stache. As in the picture on this page.
http://www.baseball-...
#122 by Geeman on 09.02.08 2:42 pm |
The Rob said:
Yes, Tenn.’s all-whites have become classic akin to UCLA’s, Alabama’s, and Penn State’s. It’s a shame they have to tinker with greatness. Then again, UCLA has tinkered with its road uniforms lately.
#123 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 2:43 pm |
chance said:
agreed
they are, however, at least corporately the “new york metropolitan baseball club”…(but NEVER metropolitans)
so (and lets end it here)…”technically” METS is a nickname…BUT…for all intents and purposes it is their official name…not a hypenation or apostrophied bastardization of a name which won’t fit on the damn jersey
#124 by Jeremy on 09.02.08 2:43 pm |
Casey,
Glad you can see it. I see the 21 on the pants. Still they would have been better using a lighter color (white or light blue) for the lettering than on a dark on dark look.
Kind of like the the black on black Oregon basketball uniforms.
India is still learning baseball, so I’ll give them a pass, but their light blues look fine with the dark font.
#125 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 2:44 pm |
Eric said:
billy was italian, but i don’t think he was as dark-skinned as the mystery man
/just sayin’
#126 by MPowers16 on 09.02.08 2:45 pm |
Glen said:
In the pic of Dennis Dixon, notice the Nike Super Bad PE cleats on the kid with the skull cap…That is why I love Oregon!!!
#127 by Stan the Man on 09.02.08 2:46 pm |
chance said:
With this in mind, did the NY Titans “officially” become the “Jetropolitans”???!!???
Inquiring minds want to know…!!!
#128 by Blackwater Park on 09.02.08 2:46 pm |
Jim in MI:
Even though the uni’s are sweet, the Brodeur in the Vancouver pic is “King” Richard Brodeur. He is not Martin’s father. Marty’s dad is famous hockey photography Denis Brodeur.
#129 by mattbucher on 09.02.08 2:48 pm |
billy was italian, but i don’t think he was as dark-skinned as the mystery man
Yeah, I think Billy is sitting on the ground, second from right with his head turned. Who is the Rangers guy on the bottom row on the ground? He looks so familiar to me. Where is the coaching staff of the 1977 Rangers?
#130 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 2:49 pm |
billy was italian, but i don’t think he was as dark-skinned as the mystery man
Plus, Mystery Man looks above 6 feet tall, and Billy was not, right?
(We’re assembling quite a list of who this guy isn’t, aren\’t we?)
#131 by Geeman on 09.02.08 2:50 pm |
The interesting thing about the All-Star photos from the 1970s is the way that, overnight, the number of A’s players was reduced from six or seven to the mandatory one, thanks to Charlie Finley’s letting go of all that incredible talent after 1976. So the green and golds that populated the All-Star photos of the early and mid-70s were reduced to solo appearances.
#132 by Andy11 on 09.02.08 2:51 pm |
LI Phil said:
Yeah, that’s the picture I looked at before suggesting it may be him, but then I found another pic of Martin taken right before the ‘77 All Star game…and no mustache.
http://mlb.mlb.com/m...
#133 by Jonathan on 09.02.08 2:54 pm |
Is Rick Neuhesiel wearing golf shoes in this photo from last night’s game?
http://scores.espn.g...
#134 by Jet on 09.02.08 2:54 pm |
Stan the Man said:
It’s a good thing they changed their name, before it got shortened to “TITS”!!!
-Jet
#135 by John English on 09.02.08 2:55 pm |
I dont think he was even there, and he wasnt a Yank till later, but it looks like Claudell Washington to me.
#136 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 2:55 pm |
I GOT IT!
the mystery man
#137 by Cork on 09.02.08 2:56 pm |
chance said:
The Blue Jays are still officially the Blue Jays and yet they have “Jays” on everything. Same with the Devil Rays of the past few years. Jerseys just said “Rays”
#138 by Michael Emody on 09.02.08 2:56 pm |
I’d say the extra Yankee-uniformed guys in the photo are Yankee batboys, and the one in the road uni was working in the NL dugout.
#139 by marc on 09.02.08 2:56 pm |
chance said:
Here’s a curveball for ya… explain “SOX.” Nickname? A “natural shortening of the corporate name?” Pardon me… my head’s about to explode.
#140 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 2:57 pm |
Andy11’s link also indicates that Money did not play due to injury. So that probably is Grammas in the front row of chairs.
Not that that was the question at hand …
So the green and golds that populated the All-Star photos of the early and mid-70s were reduced to solo appearances.
Right, Geeman. Anybody remember the Sports Illustrated full-page illustration after Kuhn voided Finley’s two simultaneous trades? I’ll see if I can find it …
#141 by marc on 09.02.08 2:59 pm |
marc said:
Maybe they were testing the likability of \”Rays\” before making the change?
#142 by Cork on 09.02.08 3:00 pm |
mattbucher said:
The big thing that suggests to me that it is indeed an impostor is the positioning of the players in the back row. They are standing with the tallest towards the middle, making a “peak” in the middle…EXCEPT for the mystery guy. He is clearly shorter than both players on either side.
Also, he seems to have shoved himself into the pic. It looks like Gross (A’s) was originally standing next to Eck but is now standing sideways to make room as if the real players were originally positioned and then the mystery guy shoved his way in.
#143 by Tom Farley on 09.02.08 3:02 pm |
http://vault.sportsi...
Here’s the article I referenced in my last post. If you care to see the illustration, click on View This Issue and flip to page 20.
My favorite part of the drawing, now and then, is Rollie Fingers, halted in the middle of putting a Red Sox jersey on.
#144 by marc on 09.02.08 3:02 pm |
LI Phil said:
Agreed. “D-Backs” is an abomination. It might as well spell out “D-Bags” for all the ammo it gives opposing fans.
#145 by Cork on 09.02.08 3:03 pm |
marc said:
Not likely…they were using just “Rays” since 2001 when they switched to green
#146 by Pretty Boy Paulie on 09.02.08 3:06 pm |
Justin in AR said:
I totally AGREE. As a Latino I can’t stress how STUPID “Los Mets” or, even worse, “Los D-Backs” looks. I would have accepted “Los Metropolitanos”, which would look friggin’ cool if ya think about it.
Diamondbacks doesn’t really have a Spanish translation since it’s an English nickname for rattlesnakes. “Culebras” or “Viboras” would do just fine.
These teams got it right…
http://seattletimes....
http://machochip.com...
http://brewernation....
#147 by Eric on 09.02.08 3:06 pm |
Eric said:
I bet he cleaned up before the game. The pic with Carew does show how dark Billy was.
#148 by Nicole on 09.02.08 3:08 pm |
Roger Faso said:
There was a parade of cows, not just the Yount one- hasn’t every city done some version of this? Milwaukee and Chicago had cows. In New Orleans we had fish. They were painted in various city/state themes and positioned all over the city.
Also, they did not bobble. That person’s just making the crazies on the topic.
#149 by Pretty Boy Paulie on 09.02.08 3:08 pm |
MPowers16 said:
I somehow didn’t notice those the first time around…very fresh!
#150 by chance on 09.02.08 3:28 pm |
Cork said:
Those were awful, as well.
#151 by Kevin M. on 09.02.08 3:40 pm |
marc said:
Not exactly. They had just Rays on their BP jersey’s since their enception (I know cause I had one). Since they named the team people in the area at least always referred to them as Devil Rays, D-Rays, or Rays.
#152 by Michaels on 09.02.08 3:42 pm |
My first thought in the ‘77 ASG photos was that it was Billy Martin, too. And it would make sense that he would be in the top center, if he was the manager for that game.
#153 by Ricko on 09.02.08 3:47 pm |
Michaels said:
Not Billy Martin. Too skinny. Too young.
#154 by Max on 09.02.08 3:48 pm |
OK, for you guys saying it is Billy Martin in the photo, riddle me this….
Why would Billy Martin, manager of the Yankees, be wearing a ROAD jersey in the All-Star game that was played in his HOME stadium???
That makes no sense.
Don Money that ain’t either.
What is the memorial band on the Brewers jersey of the coach/mgr is wearing on his left sleeve in the first row?
#155 by Max on 09.02.08 3:50 pm |
And why would they put the manager in the top row?
Nearly every team picture I have seen in the last 40 years had the manager in then front row, center. Not the top row.
Makes a lot of sense to put the manager in the top row and the coaches in the front row….not.
#156 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 3:51 pm |
Ricko said:
too sober
#157 by slurpeeman on 09.02.08 3:51 pm |
RE: Pitt Panther undo
My nephew attends Pitt. He said students there refer to the redesigned panther as either “the rabid pig” or “the otter.” He was glad to hear they were reverting back to the old version, even if they’re not officially owning up to it.
#158 by Ricko on 09.02.08 3:59 pm |
mattbucher said:
Ranger sitting on ground in foreground is a trainer or something. He’s wearing white slacks, white socks and and white flats.
Also note royal blue adidas on Larry Hisle in second photo. That’s an “ASG Special”.
Even beyond showing as blue at 200 and 400%, white laces a dead giveaway; was color laces that came with those royal (and red) cleats. Twins wore red shoes with white laces at one time, but never blue shoes and never black shoes with white laces.
#159 by sebs on 09.02.08 4:00 pm |
Jeremy–
Given India’s history with cricket, I’m sure they’ll be able to grasp baseball and softball faster than you might think.
Cheers.
#160 by Nick on 09.02.08 4:04 pm |
Not to be a killjoy, but does EVERY remembrance have to be a helmet sticker or jersey patch?
What if we had a black “Gene 63″ flag flying beneath the US flag at all stadiums for the year?
Maybe a mark on the 37 (63 yard line)?
A “Gene Upshaw” banner hanging from stadiums?
It just seems that the sticker/patch is tired, uncreative. But it’s good to honor the guy.
#161 by Paul Lukas on 09.02.08 4:09 pm |
LI Phil said:
Best answer so far.
#162 by nididakes on 09.02.08 4:13 pm |
i think the red so7 (that’s an orthographic glottal stop not a typo) in the batting helmet is interesting. flaps or no flaps, why the batting helmet in the photo?
to connect the dots for those looking on the yankees roster and debating billy martin’s complexion, the implication paul’s making is that someone forgot their jersey and had to use a yankees road jersey in the portrait, a la reggie in seattle, unless there’s some other explanation like an impostor. if it were any yankee at all, he would be wearing a home outfit for sure, given the AL all stars were at home IN yankee stadium.
tennessee’s jerseys can’t be classic, paired with orange pants or not, as long as they have black outlines around the numbers. it totally interrupts the flow and clashes with the helmets, where the T is orange on white.
why would you consider “dodgers” a nickname? yes it comes from “trolley dodgers” but the team’s name has always only been dodgers. likewise, phillies is not short for “philadelphians,” which would be unbearable paired with the city name. “sox” is a transliteration of the oral “socks” but sox is still the team name and therefore not a nickname. its problems come from singularization, as i’ve expressed above.
#163 by Geeman on 09.02.08 4:13 pm |
Tom Farley said:
I’m a Red Sox fan, but I still don’t think they would have caught the Yanks in ‘76 even if Kuhn had allowed Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers to be sold to the Sox from the A’s — though it would have been nice to have them in 1977.
#164 by The Hemogoblin on 09.02.08 4:24 pm |
Tom Farley said:
I can tolerate… and dammit, my handle gets botched everywhere!! (look closely)
#165 by The Hemogoblin on 09.02.08 4:27 pm |
Glen said:
Yes, like that. Pure aesthetic genius.
#166 by The Hemogoblin on 09.02.08 4:31 pm |
nididakes said:
However, calling the White Sox or the Red Sox the “Sox (or Sawks)”, you’re making a nickname out of a diminutive form of the team name. They’re not from the cities of Chicago White and Boston Red, respectively, so they should be referred to by their full name on their uniform.
#167 by Casey (Davis, CA) on 09.02.08 4:32 pm |
Looks like the Canucks are going to have a helmet decal and some sorta pin to salute Luc Bourdon, who killed himself in a motorcycle accident this summer:
http://www.tsn.ca/nh...
#168 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 4:35 pm |
LI Phil said:
maybe you should go by pastafarian then
#169 by The Hemogoblin on 09.02.08 4:42 pm |
LI Phil said:
Momentary descriptor. That’s all… and there are many pastafarians… one Hemogoblin.
#170 by Rob Curtin on 09.02.08 4:48 pm |
Paul,
This might seem very naive or axiomatic, but I’d really like it if you (or your sources) could shed some light:
I too think it’s infinitely stupid that players under contract with one apparel company have to tape over the logos of another (i.e. today’s ticker item about Vince Young, and the Dwight Howard/Olympics conspiracy). Obviously these are one-time events, with no ill-will or intent to breach contract. So why do A) the apparel companies get their panties in a bunch about it, and B) what would happen to Vince Young if he realized how dumb he looked and took off the strip of tape?
I’m sure there are stock answers (Letter-of-the-law breach of contract, fines, etc.) but really, what if he just manned up and said “No, I’m not wearing a piece of tape just cause I’m wearing a Longhorn’s polo with a Nike swoosh.” Can’t he tell Reebok to grow up?
Anyway, thanks a lot, and I hope someone can lend some insight.
-Rob
#171 by nididakes on 09.02.08 4:49 pm |
the thing about the white sox “sox” is it’s more a graphic than a wordmark. compare the 1990 uniform without the pinstripes with the underlined “white sox.” similarly, the athletics wore an “A’s” logo on the left side of their jerseys in the ’60s and ’70s, but when later switched to a wordmark crossing the placket, they used the proper team name. i guess this is splitting hairs a bit. i think if the diamondbacks used an illustration that combined a stylized geometric diamond (in place of the “D”) with the suffix “-backs” it would look better than the A-rodisation of the team name.
#172 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 4:52 pm |
Rob Curtin said:
or…
why couldn’t the horns just ‘find’ VY a ‘non nike’ polo to wear? surely, one must exist
/problem solved, no?
#173 by Alan #44 on 09.02.08 4:59 pm |
The guy on the far left in the All Star pic is the batboy. The guy in the t shirt is Yankee trainer Gene Monahan. The mystery man is not:
Roy White, Billy Martin, Don Money, Claudell Washington, or Bobby Valentine.
I agree with Paul that the batboy wouldn’t be in the top row. Can we get an answer from one of the players? Paul, can your buddies at ESPN get in touch with one of these guys?
#174 by The Hemogoblin on 09.02.08 5:03 pm |
LI Phil said:
That’d require… *gasp*… Effort!
#175 by Jeff P on 09.02.08 5:09 pm |
Or get a seam ripper and remove the embroidery?
#176 by Deforest on 09.02.08 5:27 pm |
nididakes said:
That’s George (Boomer) Scott who, a la John Olerud, wore a helmet when playing first base and would thus have no use for a cloth cap.
#177 by fregosi on 09.02.08 5:30 pm |
1. The bloke on the far right in the front is the Texas Rangers trainer, Bill Ziegler.
2. The official AL portrait is featured in the 1978 NY Mets yearbook…you know, the one with Leo Foster on the cover.
3. A brief conversation between Barry Bremen and Indians p Sid Monge @ the ‘79 ASG, as reported by the Sporting News… Sid: Who are you? Barry: I’m an imposter. Sid: Me, too.
#178 by Duckstyle on 09.02.08 5:34 pm |
The Hemogoblin said:
The White Sox “SOX” logo is white. A.K.A. White Sox. End of story.
#179 by Chris on 09.02.08 5:49 pm |
man, I think ‘Is the Oregon jersey reflective?’ might become the new ‘What’s that green dot on the helmet?’
They are reflective, THE END
Get over it
#180 by mattbucher on 09.02.08 5:51 pm |
1. The bloke on the far right in the front is the Texas Rangers trainer, Bill Ziegler.
Thanks for that! I knew it started with a Z and Richie Zisk set me off looking for a Bill Zisk. He was the Rangers’ trainer at least 20 years. I remember seeing him at the stadium all the time back in the Doug Rader years. I even have one of his team cards somewhere I’ll have to dig up.
#181 by Ricko on 09.02.08 6:11 pm |
Deforest said:
Sorry, meant to address that earlier. Another ASG-caliber player of that era who opted out on a softcap was Dick Allen. Around the time he moved to first base during his original tour with the Phillies in the late 70s he began wearing a batting helmet all the time (one story was that it was due to Phillies fans throwing so much stuff at him).
He continued to wear a helmet on defense during his time with the Cardinals, Dodgers, White Sox, Phillies (again) and A’s.
Hmmm…in checking something about him just now I saw something I’d completely forgotten: that the White Sox traded him to the Braves, not the Phillies.
December 3, 1974: Traded by the Chicago White Sox to the Atlanta Braves for a player to be named later and cash. The Atlanta Braves sent Jim Essian (May 15, 1975) to the Chicago White Sox to complete the trade.
May 7, 1975: Traded by the Atlanta Braves with Johnny Oates to the Philadelphia Phillies for Jim Essian, Barry Bonnell, and $150,000.
MLB records show him playing 0 games for the Braves in ‘75. Did did he every actually suit up for the Braves in spring training…or just stay away till he was traded in May? I have no recollection of him every wearing an Atlanta uni.
—Ricko
#182 by Deforest on 09.02.08 6:23 pm |
#183 by Deforest on 09.02.08 6:27 pm |
Ricko said:
Here it is, Ricko …
“The Sox sold Allen to the Atlanta Braves for only $5,000 despite the fact that he led the league in home runs, slugging (.563), and OPS (.938). Allen refused to report to the Braves, and he announced his retirement.”
So no Crash pics in Braves gear it would seem.
#184 by M.S. Warner on 09.02.08 7:00 pm |
Like the River said:
Six, if you count the warning sticker required on all NCAA helmets.
#185 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 7:34 pm |
Ok, late to the discussion but here goes. Here is the photo that was published in the 1977 World Series program.
http://i256.photobuc...
Obviously, it settles the Billy Martin argument. Also, notices the batboy (Joe D’Ambrosio) who appears in the lower left is absent from the “official” photo. This is the closest clue to the possibility that the mystery man is a batboy. There would be contradictions to that (why would the NL BB be in the AL photo, why middle top). Perhaps as a Yankees employee he wanted to be with “familiar” faces. If he was in fact the visiting batboy, maybe several players had an affinity for him and wanted him in the “unofficial” photo.
My vote: Batboy
#186 by Bob Andrews on 09.02.08 7:52 pm |
1977 Yankee team picture, including batboys. Anyone look familiar? And don’t managers sometimes supply their favorite batting practice thrower? I know a local high school coach who did that for the Astros and was involved in the All Star game here in ‘84.
#187 by chance on 09.02.08 7:59 pm |
Tom Farley said:
Wow. Those might be the best Duck uniforms I’ve ever seen.
#188 by Charlie on 09.02.08 8:09 pm |
The Oregon Ducks football team isn’t the only team with the relective design on their uniforms. The Oregon Ducks cheerleaders also have reflective stripes on their brand new uniforms.
#189 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 8:09 pm |
Here is someone selling home movies of Super Bowl VII. About 3/4 way down are a couple of great stills of NFL helment buggies.
http://cgi.ebay.com/...
#190 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 8:45 pm |
what the fuck is a orthographic glottal stop???
#191 by Ryan on 09.02.08 8:55 pm |
Bob Andrews said:
The mystery man IS in the Yankee picture… but he is wearing a different uniform. Top right hand corner… in the stands… the cop on the left.
Why in the world would they have random fans in their picture?
#192 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 9:03 pm |
Ryan said:
Why is Catfish wearing his glove?
#193 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 9:05 pm |
Of the 37 individuals shown, 17 (46%) have something in common. What is it?
http://i256.photobuc...
#194 by Kevin M. on 09.02.08 9:14 pm |
lwiedy said:
they have a stache
#195 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 9:17 pm |
lwiedy said:
they either
(1) had sex with marilyn monroe
or
(2) got drunk with and/or beat up by billy martin
#196 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 9:19 pm |
Kevin M. said:
Doesn’t reach 17, even if Billy is given credit for time served.
#197 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 9:21 pm |
LI Phil said:
No, Ed Whitson wasn’t on the ‘77 team. Don’t see any marshmellow salesmen, either.
#198 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 9:25 pm |
lwiedy said:
In reference to item 1, no JFK or Norman Mailer (the Nailer).
#199 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 9:27 pm |
lwiedy said:
damn
aight then…its either HOF…or…howzaboot…they either were or became managers/coaches?
#200 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 9:34 pm |
LI Phil said:
Nope, nearly 50% were either current or future members of the NY Yankees. Without cheating, can you pick ‘em?
#201 by Teebz on 09.02.08 9:36 pm |
How about how they aren’t even close to looking at the camera?
George Brett seems to be fixated on a hot dog cart.
#202 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 9:46 pm |
well…
tennine of em are HOF…lem, carew, yaz, brett, fiskie, clipper, reg,
ricepalmer, and eck#203 by Seattle Zach on 09.02.08 9:47 pm |
Atlanta Braves are wearing their alternate cap with their regular away jerseys against the Florida Marlins tonight. I don’t know if they’ve done that this season, I don’t watch them too closely.
#204 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 9:56 pm |
question: is it bad if one of your team’s color men refers to a top defensive player as the winner of a “golden glove”?
is it even worse if he actually won 11 consecutive gold gloves?
who might i be describing?
#205 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:06 pm |
LI Phil said:
Not too bad for an AL team. Here are the future Yanks.
http://i256.photobuc...
It begs the question, after 1978 were the Yankees a) Astute judges in acquiring recognized all-stars or b) Obsessed with bringing in average or washed up talent.
The answer may lie in the number or world championships won from 1979 to 1995.
#206 by mattbucher on 09.02.08 10:08 pm |
Found my card of trainer Bill Zeigler. Also includes a shot of long-time coach Wayne Terwilliger.
http://www.flickr.co...
#207 by LarenR on 09.02.08 10:10 pm |
lwiedy said:
He’s covering up the Nike logo. Duh!
#208 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:11 pm |
LI Phil said:
Does this person smoke? Did his error on June 14, 1987 lead to a Phillies 5 run ninth?
#209 by Jonee on 09.02.08 10:13 pm |
lwiedy said:
Whoa. That is sweet. Looks like an amazing film. Those are all AFC buggies. I wonder if they raced the NFC cars.
#210 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 10:16 pm |
LI Phil said:
indeed…exactly one less than the number won by the royals in that period…or any other time during their 40 years in mlb…
of course, since 1969, they yankees won 6 world series and appeared in 10
/just sayin (and im no yankee fan)
#211 by Tony Miller on 09.02.08 10:24 pm |
lwiedy said:
The second part can’t be true. on 6/14/87, PHI played MON, didn’t score in the 9th, and the Expos didn’t make any errors.
#212 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 10:25 pm |
lwiedy said:
did this person do enough cocaine to kill a horse?…did he once say “women belong in the kitchen, but they don’t belong in the dugout”?…did i once stand in line for 3 hours to buy his crappy book for a friend, and when i asked him to inscribe it for that friend (simply to write To WOODY)…he refused?…
if the answer is yes…then you know who it is
#213 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 10:28 pm |
Tony Miller said:
mets played pitty that day
#214 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:31 pm |
Tony Miller said:
Oh, Phil, you disappoint me!! I thought you were hip with all the Seinfeld references. This was the date and game (however fictitious) that Newman described leading to the “magic luggie”.
#215 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 10:36 pm |
LI Phil said:
yeah…but i didn’t say:
LI Phil said:
there’s periods and capitalization and shit in that there sentence ;)
#216 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 10:40 pm |
nevertheless, larry…it was a reference i should have picked up on…
to wit
had you said ‘nice game pretty boy’…i would have replied differently
#217 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:41 pm |
LI Phil said:
All true, but those six came within two periods (1977-1978 & 1996-2000). And what preceded these two eras? A suspension from daily operations of the owner. Maybe coincidence, maybe not. From 1979 to the early 90’s and 2002 to the present , the ball club has been run pretty much the same with the same results. Just sayin’.
#218 by Jeffdem on 09.02.08 10:47 pm |
#219 by Jason on 09.02.08 10:48 pm |
don’t know if this has been mentioned, why do teams like the d-backs put “los” on their jerseys anyways?
#220 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:49 pm |
LI Phil said:
Oh shit, I though you and I were the only ones out there (Sorry about that, Chief!)
Pretty boy would have been too easy. BTW, couldn’t the producers (Larry David) have spung for a New Era cap for Newman instead of that cheap mesh piece of crap?
#221 by Jeffdem on 09.02.08 10:52 pm |
messed up the italics, but in the photo twiedy referenced, they list Don Money (who was on the AS roster) as standing in the right hand side of the top row. But that’s Jim Slaton. And no Don Money to be found.
#222 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:52 pm |
#223 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 10:53 pm |
LI Phil said:
we’re talking about the character of newman
do you think HE would have
spungsprung for a NE?#224 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:55 pm |
Jeffdem said:
That Lwiedy. Your not the first, however ;-)
#225 by nididakes on 09.02.08 10:57 pm |
now that i look at the 77 yankee roster photo more closely, the mystery man does quite look like roy white. maybe i was wrong before about the yankee uniform being a red herring. since mystery man obviously didn’t make it into the official photo, maybe roy showed up to the park to goof around with his teammates and wore the road jersey so it would be clear he wasn’t pretending to be an all star.
#226 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 10:58 pm |
LI Phil said:
Good point!
#227 by Mr. Met on 09.02.08 11:16 pm |
Seattle Zach said:
I know for sure they’ve done it at least one other time this year. Maybe two. But definitely at least once.
#228 by lwiedy on 09.02.08 11:19 pm |
nididakes said:
It looks like our friend has a mustache:
http://farm4.static....
Roy went from at least ’76 to ’78 without one:
http://www.thedeadba...
http://www.thedeadba...
http://www.thedeadba...
Good bid, though.
#229 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 11:28 pm |
putitinthebooks
#230 by nididakes on 09.02.08 11:39 pm |
so because he was clean shaven for the team photo he can’t be rocking some facial hair during the all star break?
i mean, please correct me if someone with some memory knows white didn’t sport any hairs for three years, but i shaved last week and i have most of a beard right now. the link i posted before demonstrates white in several different styles, including with glasses and without, and with varying beards or mustaches throughout.
#231 by LI Phil on 09.02.08 11:43 pm |
lwiedy said:
maybe the mystery player is mickey rivers…seein’ as how he aint in any of those yankee team photos…WTF?
#232 by Jeff P on 09.02.08 11:49 pm |
http://i256.photobuc...
Tells us who the extra Yankees were: Batting practice pitchers. Why include them in the team photo?
And there are three yankees on that top row in pinstripes. There were 2 in the photos we had earlier. Perhaps one of them is our mystery man with a jersey ran for him to change into? Sparky Lyle is a pretty close match in terms of face…
#233 by nididakes on 09.02.08 11:56 pm |
[And there are three yankees on that top row in pinstripes. There were 2 in the photos we had earlier. Perhaps one of them is our mystery man with a jersey ran for him to change into? Sparky Lyle is a pretty close match in terms of face...
that’s a good point. in fact it’s clear those three in the back are sparky, thurman and graig nettles. but definitely none are the mystery man. i propose roy white stood in for his teammate while setting up the photo (to get the spacing right), our mystery photo is a photo of this temporary setup and white is absent when his teammate arrives at last.
#234 by Jeff P on 09.03.08 12:06 am |
by the way, that should be “run over for him to change into” Suggesting that somebody ran and brought him the jersey rather then a jersey with mixed up tense running by itself out onto the field.
#235 by nididakes on 09.03.08 12:18 am |
before another discussion about facial features and complexion, one reason it’s clear the mystery man is not any of the back-row yankees in the official photo is that he’s wearing glasses
#236 by The Hemogoblin on 09.03.08 12:20 am |
Jason said:
Because they think that it attaches them to hispanic culture…
#237 by LI Phil on 09.03.08 12:23 am |
mystery for another day…
why the fuck isn’t mickey rivers in ANY of those portraits from 1976-78?
by 1978 it appears they gave up even identifying him as “missing from picture”
1976
1977
1978
#238 by Patrick S. on 09.03.08 12:26 am |
Maybe the mystery guy is Bobby Valentine in one of his many mustachioed disguises.
#239 by Patrick S. on 09.03.08 12:29 am |
Damn you Phil!
#240 by Ramsay Pants on 09.03.08 12:29 am |
The Hemogoblin said:
Yes, like that. Pure aesthetic genius.
You must me joking! These are horrible!
http://www.flickr.co...
#241 by todd cumberland on 09.03.08 8:08 pm |
I am not 100% certain what year this took place in but there used to be a guy that would sneak in to major sporting events and pretend to be a player for a thrill. I know he did this one time in a Yankee uniform.