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		<title>By: bmarlowe</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/06/23/seeing-stars-and-stripes/#comment-276923</link>
		<dc:creator>bmarlowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;276790&quot;][quote comment=&quot;276781&quot;]Damn. The way that SHOULD have looked:


Funny. I&#039;ve always thought that it&#039;s an awful national anthem. It&#039;s warlike, belligerent, and an accurate portrayal of what America is. I&#039;ve always thought that America the beautiful would fit more as a national anthem. Most countries don&#039;t use anything as warlike as ours, it&#039;s usually praise of the country.

Oh, and the war of 1812 was not &quot;the perseverance that kept this country alive&quot; It was a war of aggression on the part of the US. We wanted to take over Canada, for crying out loud.

Oh Canada is the model of what a national anthem should be. I mean, Christ, even the soviet national anthem wasn&#039;t as violent as ours!

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The US attack on British Canada was preceded by the large-scale kidnapping of US sailors and their forced impressment into the Royal Navy as well as the curtailment by force (by the Brits) of legal US trade with France.

Selective memory is always useful in supporting ridiculous preconceived notions.</description>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">KT said:</p>
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Damn. The way that SHOULD have looked:</p>
<p>Funny. I&#8217;ve always thought that it&#8217;s an awful national anthem. It&#8217;s warlike, belligerent, and an accurate portrayal of what America is. I&#8217;ve always thought that America the beautiful would fit more as a national anthem. Most countries don&#8217;t use anything as warlike as ours, it&#8217;s usually praise of the country.</p>
<p>Oh, and the war of 1812 was not &#8220;the perseverance that kept this country alive&#8221; It was a war of aggression on the part of the US. We wanted to take over Canada, for crying out loud.</p>
<p>Oh Canada is the model of what a national anthem should be. I mean, Christ, even the soviet national anthem wasn&#8217;t as violent as ours!</p>
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<p>The US attack on British Canada was preceded by the large-scale kidnapping of US sailors and their forced impressment into the Royal Navy as well as the curtailment by force (by the Brits) of legal US trade with France.</p>
<p>Selective memory is always useful in supporting ridiculous preconceived notions.</p>
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		<title>By: RS Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/06/23/seeing-stars-and-stripes/#comment-276837</link>
		<dc:creator>RS Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the blue in the union of the American flag looks lighter than navy when you see it flying from a flagpole. Because it&#039;s fabric and it actually lets some light through from the other side. But the dye color is a shade of navy blue. It&#039;s telling that when Paul wanted to illustrate the royal-ness of the blue in the union, he didn&#039;t link to an actual flag, but to a flag printed on children&#039;s merchandise. 

Also, the U.S. Flag Code quite clearly bans any use of the American flag on an athletic uniform, and it also defines any depiction of the flag as a flag for the purposes of flag etiquette. When you put a flag patch on a baseball uniform -- whether on the cap or sleeve -- you are guaranteeing that some American flags are going to be rubbed in the dirt and smeared with grass and stained with tar. And does anyone really think that rubbing the flag in the dirt, smearing it in the grass, and rubbing tar on it is a patriotic thing to do? 

When MLB puts flag patches on its caps and jerseys, it is committing flag desecration as established by the U.S. Flag Code, which is an actual law passed by Congress to define the rules of flag etiquette in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the blue in the union of the American flag looks lighter than navy when you see it flying from a flagpole. Because it&#8217;s fabric and it actually lets some light through from the other side. But the dye color is a shade of navy blue. It&#8217;s telling that when Paul wanted to illustrate the royal-ness of the blue in the union, he didn&#8217;t link to an actual flag, but to a flag printed on children&#8217;s merchandise. </p>
<p>Also, the U.S. Flag Code quite clearly bans any use of the American flag on an athletic uniform, and it also defines any depiction of the flag as a flag for the purposes of flag etiquette. When you put a flag patch on a baseball uniform &#8212; whether on the cap or sleeve &#8212; you are guaranteeing that some American flags are going to be rubbed in the dirt and smeared with grass and stained with tar. And does anyone really think that rubbing the flag in the dirt, smearing it in the grass, and rubbing tar on it is a patriotic thing to do? </p>
<p>When MLB puts flag patches on its caps and jerseys, it is committing flag desecration as established by the U.S. Flag Code, which is an actual law passed by Congress to define the rules of flag etiquette in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fenbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Fenbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will the Reds camouflage unis looke like?  I can&#039;t find any pics on their website team shop.   Also, are the Reds wearing their alternate red unis for all day games now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will the Reds camouflage unis looke like?  I can&#8217;t find any pics on their website team shop.   Also, are the Reds wearing their alternate red unis for all day games now?</p>
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		<title>By: rpt319</title>
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		<dc:creator>rpt319</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;276807&quot;]When&#039;s the last time the Jays actually played at home on Canada Day? I feel like this has been mentioned on here before but I forgot. Either way, those Jays Canadian flag hats are ultra-lame. The least they could have done wa make them red.[/quote]

While making them red would&#039;ve been icing on the cake, at least MLB didn&#039;t force the US Flag on them. So many times the Jays wear the US Flag for a holiday or event that has no historical standing in Canada. I haven&#039;t been to a Jays home game in many years, nor do I watch them on tv (die hard Expos fan here), but did MLB force them to play God Bless America during the 7th Inning Stretch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Jack said:</p>
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When&#8217;s the last time the Jays actually played at home on Canada Day? I feel like this has been mentioned on here before but I forgot. Either way, those Jays Canadian flag hats are ultra-lame. The least they could have done wa make them red.</p>
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<p>While making them red would&#8217;ve been icing on the cake, at least MLB didn&#8217;t force the US Flag on them. So many times the Jays wear the US Flag for a holiday or event that has no historical standing in Canada. I haven&#8217;t been to a Jays home game in many years, nor do I watch them on tv (die hard Expos fan here), but did MLB force them to play God Bless America during the 7th Inning Stretch?</p>
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		<title>By: James Craven</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Craven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;276829&quot;]&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;How stoned is Melo?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;[/quote]

Correction, LI Phil: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?photoId=1976795&amp;sportId=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How fucking stoned is Nike&#039;s Design Team?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">LI Phil said:</p>
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<b><i>&#8220;How stoned is Melo?&#8221;</i></b></p>
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<p>Correction, LI Phil:<br />
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?photoId=1976795&amp;sportId=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How fucking stoned is Nike&#8217;s Design Team?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cowboy7130</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowboy7130</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the pic of Durham, and the notice of his ripped stirrup: I am more put off by the lack of a white &quot;sanitary&quot; sock under his stirrups, as evidenced by the bare skin of his left ankle in the pic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the pic of Durham, and the notice of his ripped stirrup: I am more put off by the lack of a white &#8220;sanitary&#8221; sock under his stirrups, as evidenced by the bare skin of his left ankle in the pic!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=\&quot;276825\&quot;]
2) In a story about Mark Mulder being hurt and not being able to pitch as expected today, Channel 5 in St. Louis showed file footage of Mulder pitching AAA ball.  From what I can tell, #10 appears to be retired for &lt;a&gt;Stubby Clapp&lt;/a&gt;.  Sorry.  No pictures of the actual retired number, but he is shown in the banner of the Redbirds website with all the other Cardinal minor league greats (you know, Pujols ... Coleman ... Wainright ... Clapp???) .  True, I\&#039;m not a Cardinal fan, but seriously, folks, STUBBY CLAPP??  Sure, one of the great baseball names of all time, but what else did he do to deserve his name on the wall?  Another question, looking at the website: Why is he upside down?[/quote]
Just did a little research on Clapp:

\&quot;Clapp became a popular figure in the City of Memphis during his four-year stint (1999-2002) with the Triple-A Memphis Redbirds. He was often referred to as the \&quot;Mayor of Memphis.\&quot; During the 2002 season, The 5-foot-8 Clapp was featured on a growth chart for kids, sponsored by a Memphis-area medical group\&quot;

Now I got that from Wikipedia, but I do know that many Minor League teams, including my hometown SI Yankees, will retire numbers and honor players who make large impacts with them, even if their Major League careers are short-lived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Brian said:</p>
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<p>2) In a story about Mark Mulder being hurt and not being able to pitch as expected today, Channel 5 in St. Louis showed file footage of Mulder pitching AAA ball.  From what I can tell, #10 appears to be retired for <a>Stubby Clapp</a>.  Sorry.  No pictures of the actual retired number, but he is shown in the banner of the Redbirds website with all the other Cardinal minor league greats (you know, Pujols &#8230; Coleman &#8230; Wainright &#8230; Clapp???) .  True, I\&#8217;m not a Cardinal fan, but seriously, folks, STUBBY CLAPP??  Sure, one of the great baseball names of all time, but what else did he do to deserve his name on the wall?  Another question, looking at the website: Why is he upside down?</p>
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<p>Just did a little research on Clapp:</p>
<p>\&#8221;Clapp became a popular figure in the City of Memphis during his four-year stint (1999-2002) with the Triple-A Memphis Redbirds. He was often referred to as the \&#8221;Mayor of Memphis.\&#8221; During the 2002 season, The 5-foot-8 Clapp was featured on a growth chart for kids, sponsored by a Memphis-area medical group\&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I got that from Wikipedia, but I do know that many Minor League teams, including my hometown SI Yankees, will retire numbers and honor players who make large impacts with them, even if their Major League careers are short-lived.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to get rocked for this, but I think the Nats flag cap is resonable looking, if not down right cool. 

I saw another cool thing wihile looking for the cap photos, a site that has flipped color hats for each team, strange but cool. 
http://www.lids.com/pid/20097218</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to get rocked for this, but I think the Nats flag cap is resonable looking, if not down right cool. </p>
<p>I saw another cool thing wihile looking for the cap photos, a site that has flipped color hats for each team, strange but cool.<br />
<a href="http://www.lids.com/pid/20097218" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.lids.com/pid/20097218' target="_blank">http://www.lids.com/...</a></p>
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		<title>By: LI Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>LI Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;276828&quot;]&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?photoId=1976795&amp;sportId=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ah HAH!&lt;/a&gt;[/quote]

how stoned is melo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Walaitis said:</p>
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<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?photoId=1976795&amp;sportId=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ah HAH!</a></p>
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<p>how stoned is melo?</p>
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		<title>By: Walaitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walaitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;276825&quot;]Alrighty now ...

Late to come up with stuff like this, but two things I noticed while watching the news (sports, in particular):

1) They showed members of the 2008 (soon to be bronze winning) USA Olympic basketball team with their jerseys.  The white jersey appears to have bold blue/black numbers on the back, with the name printed in white and a faint blue/black outline.  The dark (blue/black) jersey seems to have a similar treatment (white numbers, blue/black names with a faint white outline).  I don&#039;t know if that was a mistake or an intentional &quot;name on the front means ALOT MORE than the name on the back&quot; type of statement, but I&#039;m intrigued nonetheless.  Sorry.  No photos.

2) In a story about Mark Mulder being hurt and not being able to pitch as expected today, Channel 5 in St. Louis showed file footage of Mulder pitching AAA ball.  From what I can tell, #10 appears to be retired for &lt;a href=&quot;http://memphis.redbirds.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t235&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stubby Clapp&lt;/a&gt;.  Sorry.  No pictures of the actual retired number, but he is shown in the banner of the Redbirds website with all the other Cardinal minor league greats (you know, Pujols ... Coleman ... Wainright ... Clapp???) .  True, I&#039;m not a Cardinal fan, but seriously, folks, STUBBY CLAPP??  Sure, one of the great baseball names of all time, but what else did he do to deserve his name on the wall?  Another question, looking at the website: Why is he upside down?[/quote]

&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?photoId=1976795&amp;sportId=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ah HAH!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Walaitis said:</p>
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Alrighty now &#8230;</p>
<p>Late to come up with stuff like this, but two things I noticed while watching the news (sports, in particular):</p>
<p>1) They showed members of the 2008 (soon to be bronze winning) USA Olympic basketball team with their jerseys.  The white jersey appears to have bold blue/black numbers on the back, with the name printed in white and a faint blue/black outline.  The dark (blue/black) jersey seems to have a similar treatment (white numbers, blue/black names with a faint white outline).  I don&#8217;t know if that was a mistake or an intentional &#8220;name on the front means ALOT MORE than the name on the back&#8221; type of statement, but I&#8217;m intrigued nonetheless.  Sorry.  No photos.</p>
<p>2) In a story about Mark Mulder being hurt and not being able to pitch as expected today, Channel 5 in St. Louis showed file footage of Mulder pitching AAA ball.  From what I can tell, #10 appears to be retired for <a href="http://memphis.redbirds.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t235" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Stubby Clapp</a>.  Sorry.  No pictures of the actual retired number, but he is shown in the banner of the Redbirds website with all the other Cardinal minor league greats (you know, Pujols &#8230; Coleman &#8230; Wainright &#8230; Clapp???) .  True, I&#8217;m not a Cardinal fan, but seriously, folks, STUBBY CLAPP??  Sure, one of the great baseball names of all time, but what else did he do to deserve his name on the wall?  Another question, looking at the website: Why is he upside down?</p>
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<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?photoId=1976795&amp;sportId=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ah HAH!</a></p>
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