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04.25.08

Citrusy History Mystery

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Last August, I published my “One and Done” column on ESPN.com, which was devoted to uniforms that were worn just a couple of times. My timeline of such uni designs included the following entry:

1971: Brooks Robinson, who’s moonlighting as a sporting goods executive while playing third base for the Orioles, convinces team management to have the O’s suit up in solid orange uniforms supplied by his company. The team humors him for two games before the solid orange getup is put out to pasture.

My source for that info was this page from Bill Henderson’s MLB Game-Worn Jerseys of the Double-Knit Era CD, which, as you can see, indicates that the all-orange ensemble was worn twice in 1971 — once at home and once in Cleveland. I generally trust Bill’s info, plus I had two other resources that seemed to confirm that the orange design was only worn in 1971: First, there was this photo (probably taken in 1971, since it shows the “Big Four” of Palmer, McNally, Dobson, and Cuellar, each of whom won 20 games in ’71), and then “Dressed to the Nines” (whose database shows the orange uni appearing only in 1971).

But last Friday, Steve Dewing’s awesome baseball photo site featured two O’s-in-orange pics I’d never seen before — look here and here — and as you can see, they’re both dated April of 1972.

Had the Orioles actually worn the orange design in ’72 as well as ’71? Maybe they just wore them at the tail end of spring training? Maybe Steve didn’t date the photos correctly?

I wrote to Steve to ask what he could tell me about the pics. Here’s what he wrote back:

Since the slides are stamped “APR 72″ and were shot in Cleveland [based on the stadium background], I can only guess they were shot in the series that the Orioles played in Cleveland on April 21-23, 1972.

I had another person tell me that the O’s planned on wearing them at home during Friday and Saturday games in 1971. Because of Boog Powell’s objection, though, they only wore them about 10 times.

The month/year stamping on slides doesn’t always tell the story, though. For example, it’s not unusual to get slides stamped with “October” because they were shot at a September 28th game and weren’t developed until October 1st or later. But in the case of these images, it’s unlikely they were shot in 1971 and sat for 6 months before developing, especially knowing who the photographer is/was (for several reasons, I can’t discuss who took the photos on my site).

I suppose the date-stamping machine at the film developing place could have just gotten the year wrong.

Hmmm, lots to chew on there. Were the orange uniforms worn just twice, or as many as 10 times? Just in 1971, or possibly in ’72 as well? When were the Cleveland pics taken?

A few thoughts:

• Note that the center photo on Bill Henderson’s page refers to a Sports Illustrated caption indicating that Brooks Robinson had just hit an orange-clad grand slam. Brooks hit only one salami over the course of 1971 and ’72, and that was in this game — 9/16/71, in Baltimore. So that’s one confirmed date for the orange uni.

• After that game, the O’s went on a road trip that included a stop in Cleveland on September 24-26. If they were experimenting with the solid-orange design, it seems plausible that they’d wear it on the road trip immediately following the uniform’s home debut.

• On the other hand, I’ve had second thoughts about this photo. Sure, it could’ve been taken late in 1971. But it probably wasn’t taken at that Sept. 16th game in Baltimore, because none of the pitchers had notched 20 wins yet at that point. Now, if the team did go orange-clad in Cleveland later that month, the photo could’ve been taken there, because all four pitchers had reached the 20-win plateau by the end of that series (Dobson and Cuellar, in fact, both reached it on Sept. 24th, as the O’s swept a doubleheader from the Tribe). HOWEVER, wouldn’t it actually make more sense for the photo to have been taken the following year, as the pitchers were basking in the glow of their 20-win quadfecta? That logic would argue for the uniforms having been worn at least once in 1972. Can anyone tell which stadium is shown in the background?

So it’s still a bit of mystery. The real lesson here, it seems to me, is how easy it is to fall into the trap of relying on a source like “Dressed to the Nines” or Bill Henderson’s CD — or Uni Watch, for that matter. I’m not critiquing Bill, or Steve, or Marc Okkonen (the historian whose work is the basis for the “Dressed to the Nines Database”) or Tom Shieber (the current “Nines” curator) — I’m just saying that historical documentation is often trickier than it seems, and we all need to remember that something isn’t necessarily accurate simply because an “authority” says it is, whether that authority is Bill, or Steve, or Marc, or me. Something to keep in mind as we try to piece together the puzzle of those orange unis. (Update: See comment Nos. 73, 80, 177, 223, and 227 below — I think we have our answer.)

One final thought: What was the deal with Brooksie’s stirrups? Yeeeeesh.

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Uni Watch Vacation Update: I’m gonna be in New Orleans next week (attending the Ponderosa Stomp, eating lots of crawfish, etc.). My original plan, as I reported about a month ago, was to shut down the site for the week, which no doubt gave many of you a case of cold sweats, but it turns out that won’t be necessary. Bryan will handle main entries next week, and Vince will compile the Ticker (communiqués sent to the Uni Watch e-mail address will automatically be forwarded to him). Both of them will be under orders to turn off the commenting function or just shut down the site if people act like 12-year-olds, so please don’t give them the substitute teacher treatment. Thanks.

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Membership News: A month ago I promised to address the status of the membership program “in a week or two.” Sorry for the delay. Let me try to anticipate some questions you might have:

Does the membership program still exist?
Yes, but it’s much simpler now. There’s now only one membership level. It costs $15 to join, your membership lasts forever (including all the existing memberships from the past year), and there are no other benefits other than the membership card itself. If you’re an existing member and you want a new card with a different design on the back, that too is $15.

When I launched the program last year, the idea was to generate enough $$$ to justify all the time I was sinking into the site; now that I have a much more generous deal from ESPN, it’s no longer necessary or fair for me to ask for that kind of support, so now the membership program is much simpler. The $15 fee is just to cover the time and labor that goes into creating the cards.

So when I joined at the $100 level last year, that was all for nothing?
No no no — without the many generous contributions that many of you made last year, I would’ve had to either shut down the site or curtail it significantly. You made it possible for me to keep working on the site — I thank you, and I’m sure your fellow readers do as well.

Now that there’s only one membership level, what are you going to do about the membership roster listing, which indicates each member’s level?
For now, I’m leaving the roster format unchanged (mainly because I’ve been too busy to deal with it). But since the “Membership Level” field is now blank for new members, I’ll probably just eliminate that column from the roster altogether.

And what about the “Membership Level” line on the front of the card?
We’ve changed that for new cards, like so.

I made a point of signing up before July 31st last year just so I could be a Charter Member. You said we’d get a little “Charter Member” designation on our cards when we renewed, but now I’m a member for life and there’s no reason to renew. So what about the little designation on my card?
This is the one thing I haven’t found a good solution for. One thing I plan to do is to change the membership roster so charter members’ names (not just their uni numbers) are shown in bold. But that doesn’t address the question of the cards. If you’re a charter member and want to order a new card with a different design, we’ll definitely add the little designation on your new card, but I don’t want anyone to feel obligated to order a new card. We considered e-mailing a little “Charter Member” icon to the appropriate people, with the idea that you could print it out on a label and apply it to your card, but the icon would be too small for most home printers to execute with any degree of clarity.

Frankly, I’m a little stumped. I feel bad about not providing that little extra bonus that so many of you signed up for, but I don’t see a good way to provide it unless you order a new card — and really, I don’t want you to order a new card unless you really want one. If there’s a good solution we’re overlooking, feel free to let me know.

I joined at Level Four, which means Scott Turner’s supposed to design a logo for me. Whatever happened to that?
Scott designed almost all of the Level Four logos months ago. If you haven’t gotten yours, it’s either because you asked him to wait until you had a clearer idea of what you wanted and/or because he hasn’t been able to get in touch with you. If you haven’t gotten your logo, please contact me.

I joined at Level Five, which means you’re supposed to publish an interview with me. When does that happen?
I’ve been very bad about this, even though it only applies to two of you. Karen, I interviewed you months ago and will publish the transcript shortly — honest. V., I contacted you a while back and you said, “No rush,” but I’m sure this isn’t what you meant. I’ll be calling you as soon as I get back from New Orleans.

What about the T-shirt that was available for Level Two and above? Now that there’s only one level, can anyone get the shirt?
I’ve decided to retire this shirt, so that it will be special collector’s item for people who helped support the site over the past year. All future shirt designs will have nothing to do with the membership program and will be available to everyone.

I think that covers everything. If you have additional questions, you know what to do.

Uni Watch News Ticker: My thanks to the many, many readers who pointed out that there’s nothing at all unusual about the How I Met Your Mother T-shirt that I showed yesterday. It’s a Canton-Akron Indians tee, plus the Indians used the wishbone C back in the 1950s (which I should have known, duh, but I was kinda frantic putting together the Ticker yesterday morning). … We all know the President receives lots of commemorative jerseys, but what about Condi? Details here (with thanks to Zac Neubauer). … New uniforms for the Penguins — well, for one penguin. … I’ve opined many times that the Reebok logo on the Seahawks’ sleeves is so big that it overshadows the team logo. But MJ Turner has found this photo, from when the current design was first introduced — note the different Reebok logo placement and the much larger team logo. Would’ve been much better if they’d stuck with that, but Reebok must’ve insisted on the lower sleeve placement. Pricks. … New Hockey Canada jerseys were unveiled yesterday. … Here’s a video of the new Minnesota uniforms (with thanks to Jeff Brown). … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The Rams will wear a Georgia Frontiere memorial patch next season. No photo yet. … Tarheel-O-Rama: Mike Orr sent along some old pics of UNC’s 1892 baseball team, 1892 football team, and 1911 basketball team. … Yesterday I ran this photo and asked, “What’s up with that mound?” Chad Wilson says it’s probably one of these. … Former candlepin bowling broadcaster Don Gillis died on Wednesday, and his obituary includes some video links that feature some amazing bowling attire — look here and here (with thanks to Mike Vanne). … Huge manifesto on retired numbers here. … Bit of a cock-up, so to speak, on the logo front in London. … Good photo gallery of hockey playoff beards here (with thanks to brad Smith). … Frank Mercogliano sent along some amazing photos from the recent Idaho State/Utah softball game. The field was pretty wet, so the teams went to Wal-Mart and purchased some paper towels — “Like, a lot of paper towels,” says Frank — which they used to set back the trade of groundskeeping by at least 80 years mop up the field. … Frank Thomas, back with the A’s, has reclaimed No. 35. Dana Eveland, who’d been wearing that number, has switched to No. 30. … Loads of big, wet kisses for Nike in this video clip about the new U.S.A. softball uniforms (with thanks to Brinke Guthrie). … And in a stunning development uncovered by Bryan, it turns out Nike has also scored a sponsorship deal with the Texas polygamists (I hear they got a group discount). … Remember how the Colts wanted fans to submit designs for a new secondary logo? The five finalists are now up for voting. Personally, I’d prefer to see them use Horse (who wears a uniform!), Quick Draw McGraw, El Kabong, Silver, Trigger, Champion, or whoever this is, but they don’t appear to have allowed for write-in votes. … “I know the trend of having fans dress ‘in uniform’ has been around for a while, with the 2006 Miami Heat 2006 Miami Heat and Calgary Flames coming to mind immediately,” writes Dan Arnold. “However, it seems like this trend has been everywhere in these NBA playoffs.” … Stunner last night in DC, as longtime Stirrups Squad member Johnny Estrada pinch-hit against the Mets and was wearing a pair of those bogus faux stirrups (photo taken and provided by Tim Stackhouse, who was at the game). … Speaking of the Nats and Mets, sharp-eyed footwear specialist Mark Mihalik checks in with some awesome reporting work: “On Wednesday night, I noticed Jose Reyes wearing Easton cleats — surprising, since he normally wears Nike. At first it appeared that he may have switched contracts, but after hearing the details from a few Easton employees, it turns out that Felipe Lopez gave Reyes a pair of his cleats (he’s the only one who wears a model with those colors). Reyes wore them again on Thursday, and here’s a great shot of them together with their matching footwear.”

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Personally, I’d prefer to see them use Nell (who wears a uniform!)

Um, “Nell” is Nell Fenwick, the daughter of the commander of Dudley Do-Right’s mountie post, Inspector Fenwick. Dudley’s horse’s name was “Horse.”

There is no way in hell that the paper towels could have actually worked to dry up the field. Was there no Diamond Dry in the house? I know it’s kinda pricey, but come on…

Darn it DJ, ya beat me!

Personally, I’d prefer to see them use Nell (who wears a uniform!)

Um, “Nell” is Nell Fenwick, the daughter of the commander of Dudley Do-Right’s mountie post, Inspector Fenwick. Dudley’s horse’s name was “Horse.”

Oops. Will fix now!

Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….

RE: Baltimore orange jerseys.

If they wore them in Cleveland on the road trip in Sept. 71 they would have had to worn them on 9/26/71 in order for the game to match the photo. That was the only day game of the series (it was on a Sunday). A quick look at the Box+PBP at retrosheet reveals that Brooks did play and went 1 for 4. His only hit was a single and he did not make it to second (where it appears that photo was taken.)

judging from the attendance in the brooksie photo…

it could have been taken in camden yards this year

Couple things: those all-orange things are the worst uniforms I have ever seen in my life. Palmer looks like a tall tangerine.

And RE the Colts, I’d go with #3; #5 is a direct knock off of the Broncos, right?

There is no way in hell that the paper towels could have actually worked to dry up the field. Was there no Diamond Dry in the house?

I know it’s kinda pricey, but come on…

Ummm…yeah. Why not purchase a few bags of Kitty Litter? They could have certainly contacted Paul and I am sure he would have obliged…

On another note — my spam “anti-spam word” was better. My better is BETTER than your better

Someone please e-mail the colts and tell them to check their heads. Seriously, why would anybody useone of those five logo’s?

I would guess that the four-pitcher, orange-uniform photo was taken in Baltimore. The seats in the background look like Colts blue. Just a guess.

Had the Orioles actually worn the orange design in ’72 as well as ’71? Maybe they just wore them at the tail end of spring training? Maybe Steve didn’t date the photos correctly?

“Hello?”
“Mr. Palmer?”
“Yes.”
“Hi, I’m Paul Lukas from ESPN, and I have a question for you…”

first time i heard of fans dressing was the winnipeg whiteout. they carried the tradition down to phoenix too when the jets moved.

first time i heard of fans dressing was the winnipeg whiteout. they carried the tradition down to phoenix too when the jets moved.

but as the article says, it was inspired by calgary. my bad!

Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….

“Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

Also, the Winnipeg White-Out did not “move” to Phoenix. If the Coyotes can’t honour any of the Winnipeg traditions, they don’t deserve the White-Out.

But yes, the White-Out started in response to Calgary’s Sea of Red. The Jets won the series against Calgary 3-1 in 1985 (they only played best-of-5 series in the first round).

Check out this personalized Nationals jersey:

http://misterirrelev...

Also, the Winnipeg White-Out did not “move” to Phoenix. If the Coyotes can’t honour any of the Winnipeg traditions, they don’t deserve the White-Out.

Well, they did play a preseason game in Winnipeg this year - but didn’t wear Jets throwbacks. How do you miss that opportunity?

The only one of those Colts logos that could possibly work is #2, but the legs are gonne have to go. There’s just waaaaaay too much detail in the rest of the logos to actually put them on any normal hat or shirt. Maybe they’d work on one of those ridiculous HSN throw blankets that always seem to be about a foot too short.

Couple things: those all-orange things are the worst uniforms I have ever seen in my life. Palmer looks like a tall tangerine.

And RE the Colts, I’d go with #3; #5 is a direct knock off of the Broncos, right?

Maybe they can make a secondary logo based on this? Wouldn’t be a direct knock-off of the Broncos…..oh, wait…..looks just like this Bronco

“whiteout” at the penguins game tonight! they are giving away white shirts too!

un-related:
wasn’t earth day just on tuesday? and those girls are using all those paper towels to clean up the field??? ugh!

The Colts must face the truth and bring back the li’l bucking colt used in Baltimore from 1953 through 1978. Compared to the overwrought beasts being offered in that poll, it’s no contest.

Bill Henderson’s collection is nothing short of amazing, but he doesn’t always draw the correct conclusions from it, and therefore leaves a lot to be desired as an authoritative source.

I don’t know how much he’s fixed this in recent updates, but when I bought his guide he hadn’t taken into account that teams re-issued jerseys, and therefore that the year on the tag might well not reflect the actual year of the design.

This page on the Brewers’ early flannels shows the problem. He’s dating the jerseys based on the year listed on the tags, which makes his timeline all muddy. The narrow sleeve and neck piping was not introduced in 1970, it was added in 1971 to jerseys that had been worn in 1970.

I don’t know if he’s fixed this in subsequent updates - I sent him an email at the time but never heard back. It’s a shame, because I want his work to be the most authentic reference possible.

The Colts must face the truth and bring back the li’l bucking colt used in Baltimore from 1953 through 1978. Compared to the overwrought beasts being offered in that poll, it’s no contest.

Agreed.

With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?

With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year\’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?

Sorry - my linking messed up message…
should have read \”…do these things get uglier every year?\”

There is no way in hell that the paper towels could have actually worked to dry up the field. Was there no Diamond Dry in the house?

I know it’s kinda pricey, but come on…

Another thing about that one….as an Aggie alum, I feel compelled to point out that the game was at Utah STATE, not Utah.

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Not to re-hash an old conversation. As great as the Ponderosa Stomp is, Jazz-Fest (this weekend and next) at the New Orleans fairground has great music with even better food. Over all it’s my favorite excuse to go back to New Orleans.

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Cold.
Funny, but cold
;-)

re: Orioles orange. Yup, they wore them during regular season. Remember photo showing up in SI and thinking, sheesh are they ugly. Orioles also experimented with sleeveless vests around that time (SI ran photo from a night game in Balt.)

re: Gophers’ unis. Borrrring. Exactly what everyone else is doing these days. If they wanted to be REALLY inventive they have gone back to true Old School: White helmets and pants, maroon jerseys with gold numbers kinda like Penn State) what they wore last times they went to the Rose Bowl (’60 and ‘61 seasons). One other thing. Based on the fashion show, either the helmets are the staying the same or they aren’t going to wear any. Better idea for Michigan, I’d think: “Gerald Ford Throwback Non-Helmets.”

Re: USA Softball unis, what the heck is that one player talking about the “Spirit of America” on the back? Is this a reference to block numbers, which everyone knows were invented by Betsy Ross when George Washington asked for help putting numbers on the Colonial Navy’s aircraft carriers in 1777? Or is there like a paragraph of patriotic text sewn onto the back, or what?

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)

With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year\’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?

Sorry - my linking messed up message…
should have read \”…do these things get uglier every year?\”

What’s really ugly is that the NFL is still using that stupid and useless “NFL EQUIPMENT” logo….

Munster Rugby club in Limerick is know through europe for it’s travelling fans. Not only for the sheer volumne but for their overall good behavior. The best examples I could find was in the European cup final (Known as the Heineken Cup)about 2 years ago. The final was held in Cardiff (Wales) and they say that about 50-60,000 fans turned up for the match. The stadium seats 74,500 and was of course sold out. How the Munster fans got that many seats are a great source of stories in Limerick (their home base). Also the semi-final that was held in Dublin, it was an away match as the home team were from dublin (Leinster).
The fans are known as the Red Army and I have been to a few matches and I have to tell you, the atmosphere would blow away any NBA, NFL or MLB game, the only thing close is the NHL.

Cardiff and another
Lansdowne Road and another

Check out the Logo bonanza on the Madden NFL 09

re: Orioles orange. Yup, they wore them during regular season.

Yes, but WHICH season(s)? That’s the question.

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)

Dont get it?

Beckham jersey casues fight between kids.

2 Hawaiian boys and families go to court over game-used jersey.

I have two four-drawer lateral files full of MLB, NFL and college football clippings dating back to the 50s. I know cuz I’m the one who clipped them and saved them. Most times if the uniform was unique and there was no date on the clipping, I’d write the year on it somewhere. I’ll dig through my files over the weekend and see what I can find. I have an SI midseason photo of Ken Holtzman pitching all kelly, too. From the A’s Bando-Rudi world series era. And it’s just as ugly as the Orioles orange. Maybe uglier.

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)

Dont get it?

Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.

Paul, fascinating “One and Done” story, man I just love that stuff, especially the investigative work with the pumpkin jerseys.

Those Colts logos are lame. Maybe take just the head from #1 or #5. Ugghhhh

Something else. I believe we can now (or soon will be able to) search online every back issue of SI. If that’s possible, look for an issue with a composite photo cover of several Dodgers, including Maury Wills. I’m guessing mid to late 1971. I think that’s where you’ll find an all-orange Orioles photo…or maybe the sleeveless vest. Just remember reading it in a doctor’s waiting room and thinking I needed to pick up a copy. (Don’t ask, I have strange mind and a sometimes remarkable memory, LOL.)

Had the Orioles actually worn the orange design in ’72 as well as ’71? Maybe they just wore them at the tail end of spring training? Maybe Steve didn’t date the photos correctly?

“Hello?”
“Mr. Palmer?”
“Yes.”
“Hi, I’m Paul Lukas from ESPN, and I have a question for you…”

Very funny. Today’s subject is fantastic. It is mysteries like this, which are pointless and silly to the millions who don’t Get It, that make the site so enjoyable. Kudos to the Founder.

With Draft Day only 30 hours away, I see that our friends at the NFL have this year\’s Draft Day hats for sale. Is it just me, or do these things get http://nfl.imageg.ne... every year?

Sorry - my linking messed up message…
should have read \”…do these things get uglier every year?\”

What’s really ugly is that the NFL is still using that stupid and useless “NFL EQUIPMENT” logo….

Saw some of these in the mall the other day. First thing I checked was to see if the new NFL logo was on the back and it was, however on the inside sweat bad is still the OLD NFL logo. Guess they couldn’t afford to update it in two places. And those Chargers hats are sharp in person, that baby blue really pops.

Also, the Winnipeg White-Out did not “move” to Phoenix. If the Coyotes can’t honour any of the Winnipeg traditions, they don’t deserve the White-Out.

But yes, the White-Out started in response to Calgary’s Sea of Red. The Jets won the series against Calgary 3-1 in 1985 (they only played best-of-5 series in the first round).

Good comments Teebz - I participated in a lot of the Winnipeg Whiteouts and they were simply amazing (no white tshirts waiting for you on the seats, we brought our own). You are correct about the Calgary “Sea of Red” - they definitely got things going. The Whiteout, to me, was a step up - the old Winnipeg Arena really brought out the fans dressed in white. I miss those days!

Nice article here about the U of A switching from Worth bats to Nike.

I have two four-drawer lateral files full of MLB, NFL and college football clippings dating back to the 50s. I know cuz I’m the one who clipped them and saved them. Most times if the uniform was unique and there was no date on the clipping, I’d write the year on it somewhere. I’ll dig through my files over the weekend and see what I can find. I have an SI midseason photo of Ken Holtzman pitching all kelly, too. From the A’s Bando-Rudi world series era. And it’s just as ugly as the Orioles orange. Maybe uglier.

Now THAT’S the kind of reader we need more of! Dude, why haven’t you been in touch before now? I have a feeling we’re gonna have a LOT to talk about.

Something else. I believe we can now (or soon will be able to) search online every back issue of SI.

My early experiences with the SI Vault have been, for the most part, unsatisfactory. Lots of error messages, lots of fruitless searches for things I know are there, etc. I think they’re still working out the kinks.

New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
Current kit

Something else. I believe we can now (or soon will be able to) search online every back issue of SI. If that’s possible, look for an issue with a composite photo cover of several Dodgers, including Maury Wills. I’m guessing mid to late 1971. I think that’s where you’ll find an all-orange Orioles photo…or maybe the sleeveless vest. Just remember reading it in a doctor’s waiting room and thinking I needed to pick up a copy. (Don’t ask, I have strange mind and a sometimes remarkable memory, LOL.)

Yeah you can do that, just go to si.com and click on si vault

Two little kids are suing each other over a David Beckham jersey that he threw into the crowd to one of them:

http://www.honolulua...

Beckham jersey casues fight between kids.

2 Hawaiian boys and families go to court over game-used jersey.

Only one man can settle this dispute.

The get-the-crowd-to-wear-one-color thing has been done for playoff games in so many cities. I know the Caps did white-outs back in the 80s, and Rock the Red this year.

The Pens are having a white out? Um, don’t they wear black at home now?

The funniest was a few years ago, when the Toronto Raptors did a red out with a playoff series again the Nets. The only problem was the Nets wore their alt-red jerseys. The entire crowd was wearing the colors of the team they were rooting against! The photo was hilarious!

New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
Current kit

A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.

Check out the Logo bonanza on the Madden NFL 09

Does this mean Farve will suffer a retirement-ending injury?

Would any team dare to do this today?

The get-the-crowd-to-wear-one-color thing has been done for playoff games in so many cities. I know the Caps did white-outs back in the 80s, and Rock the Red this year.

The Pens are having a white out? Um, don’t they wear black at home now?

The funniest was a few years ago, when the Toronto Raptors did a red out with a playoff series again the Nets. The only problem was the Nets wore their alt-red jerseys. The entire crowd was wearing the colors of the team they were rooting against! The photo was hilarious!

Here’s a photo. The Nets look right at home matching the red Air Canada logo, Canadian flag, Tim Hortons ads…

New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
Current kit

A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.

Agreed, no piping and a real collar, but I just do not like the fact that the adidas is easier to see/read than the badge.

The regular kit is just OK, but I can\’t imagine Petr Cech in that awful keeper\’s kit.

Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….

“Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

Thanks Teebz, but I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around the and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.

Condoleezza Rice also got a jersey from the Blackburn Rovers. Photo gallery here.

Beckham jersey casues fight between kids.

2 Hawaiian boys and families go to court over game-used jersey.

Oops, my bad. I didn’t refresh my screen before I posted, so you beat me…..

Yes, it was Utah State, not Utah…we all thought that kitty litter would have been cheaper, but some parents went and cleaned out Wal-Mart with that purchase.

The amazing thing is it did work, as it dried the field out, but it snowed for about two full innings, soaking the field again. We got just the one game in, and Utah State won 5-3. It was pretty funny.

Frank

Couple things: those all-orange things are the worst uniforms I have ever seen in my life. Palmer looks like a tall tangerine.

It got a little (VERY little) better when they went to just the orange pullover top. That uniform only gave you a headache, while Brooks’ abomination made your retinas want to jump out of your head.

The Dallas Stars did a “black-out” for their home games in Round 1. However, from the reports I heard, it made the arena look empty rather than a look of unification. Philly Bill, did you attend either game?

Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….

“Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

Thanks Teebz, but I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around the and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.

do either of these help?

Well, at least the C of Red from Calgary is genuine, not some “let give t-shirts to everyone” thing like in Philly or in the NBA. Most people in Calgary are wearing red sweaters/jerseys

Another point about the Brooks Robinson orange uniform picture,if you look closely you will notice that Brooks does not have a full bill on his helmet.I seem to remember this from when I collected baseball cards. If you look at baseball cards of him from that era you will notice that his bill is much shorter than normal.Just a thought, Thanks

Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….

“Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

Thanks Teebz, but I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around the and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.

do either of these help?

im an idiot…i just realized those photos are prolly out of date…

but here

maybe something in this gallery will help

Couldn’t get any screen grabs, but both Brendan Ryan and Brian Barton (click on gallery) were rockin’ real low-cut Cardinals’ stirrups last night against the Pirates. Sadly, UniWatch favorite Nyjer Morgan didn’t get in the game…

The regular kit is just OK, but I can\\\’t imagine Petr Cech in that awful keeper\\\’s kit.

but will his headgear match?

New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
Current kit

A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.

Agreed, no piping and a real collar, but I just do not like the fact that the adidas is easier to see/read than the badge.

I really like that new jersey, but I agree the Adidas logo is way to big. I come from the group that thinks branding is ok, but only one brand per uniform please, and the stripes cover that. Noone would confuse that jersey with some other supplier if that huge logo was lost. Always loved a coller on a soccer jersey, adds a bit of class. And I wouldn’t worry about that orange keeper jersey, GK’s always seem to find a way to wear whatever color they want, assuming it doesn’t match the opposition of course.

Maybe a bit obscure, but does anyone have any idea what was written on the inside back of Marty Biron’s mask/helmet last night during the Flyers/Habs game? It was on the right side, I believe, of one the “fins” that come back around his head where the actual back of the helmet/mask sits.

I caught it a couple of times but I am a Luddite when it comes to screen grabs….

“Oscar” and “Emmy”. He has been asked several times what they mean, but he never tells anyone.

Thanks Teebz, but that one I know. I’m not talking about the actual backplate of the helmet, but the inside right of the part that wraps around and comes past the backplate. It appeared that there was something written in black ink on the inside of the right “fin” for lack of a better term. A search on viewimages.com (which won’t let me link for some reason) for “Biron Mask” shows (in image 7 of 15) some of the writing, but far less than in last night’s game.

do either of these help?

im an idiot…i just realized those photos are prolly out of date…

but here

maybe something in this gallery will help

Thanks Phil, but I already wasted most of my morning (it is friday after all) checking that whole Yahoo gallery. The closest is the ViewImage picture. I cannot get it to link though. Every time I try it through the preview of my comment it takes me to their front page and then to some celebrity gossip site…

I’m more curious now since it seems like there was a heck of a lot more ink last night where there was just a little in that one picture.

Just a little more info on the Orioles Orange uni. Did a quick search on a great site: www.paperofrecord.co... (it’s free to register and they have the complete archive of the Sporting News papers).

Here’s a quote from a column by Bob Addie in the May 13, 1972 issue of The Sporting News regarding the number of new fans the Orioles had for the ‘72 season:

“Have you had a load of the Orioles in their new Orange uniforms? The Orioles actually had those uniforms ready for last years playoffs and world series, but never wore them.”

It’s not definitive, but it leads one to believe that they wore them in ‘72. I’m sure if someone spent more time searching these archives you could find something better. I did a simple search for “Orioles Orange” starting April 1, 1972.

The regular kit is just OK, but I can\\\’t imagine Petr Cech in that awful keeper\\\’s kit.

but will his headgear match?

forgot link

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)

Dont get it?

Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.

OK fellas, i’ll ’splain ‘em for you:

The Elmer’s logo refers to the glue factory, as in that’s where old broken-down horses are sent to be made in to a sticky substance for the afterlife.

and Dallas Crown is a company that provides horse meat to zoos for the carnivores to eat.

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)

Peyton Manning high steps like the horse in his snap count.

how about this for the COLT’s Secondary Logo

http://en.wikipedia....

Or this (put on your thinking caps, kiddies)

Dont get it?

Generally, thinks aren’t that funny when you have to think about them.. or direct someone to think about it. I didn’t get it either.

OK fellas, i’ll ’splain ‘em for you:

The Elmer’s logo refers to the glue factory, as in that’s where old broken-down horses are sent to be made in to a sticky substance for the afterlife.

and Dallas Crown is a company that provides horse meat to zoos for the carnivores to eat.

Proving once and for all that if you have to explain it, it’s not funny.

New Chelsea kit today, very bland if you ask me….
The keepers shirt is just plain wrong
Current kit

A huge improvement over the current messes. Adidas has finally upgraded their templates.

Agreed, no piping and a real collar, but I just do not like the fact that the adidas is easier to see/read than the badge.

I really like that new jersey, but I agree the Adidas logo is way to big. I come from the group that thinks branding is ok, but only one brand per uniform please, and the stripes cover that. Noone would confuse that jersey with some other supplier if that huge logo was lost. Always loved a coller on a soccer jersey, adds a bit of class. And I wouldn’t worry about that orange keeper jersey, GK’s always seem to find a way to wear whatever color they want, assuming it doesn’t match the opposition of course.

As long as the badge on the right arm stays where it is after saturday! Chelsea does not need that colour on those kits!

I know for a fact that THESE shirts were from a giveaway. They read “Fan Up New Orleans” which is the team’s battle cry if-you-will. My only surprise is that so many other teams are going the route of white shirts. I guess that they’re probably the cheapest to produce and purchase for a free giveaway.

Just a little more info on the Orioles Orange uni. Did a quick search on a great site: www.paperofrecord.co... (it’s free to register and they have the complete archive of the Sporting News papers).

Here’s a quote from a column by Bob Addie in the May 13, 1972 issue of The Sporting News regarding the number of new fans the Orioles had for the ‘72 season:

“Have you had a load of the Orioles in their new Orange uniforms? The Orioles actually had those uniforms ready for last years playoffs and world series, but never wore them.”

It’s not definitive, but it leads one to believe that they wore them in ‘72. I’m sure if someone spent more time searching these archives you could find something better. I did a simple search for “Orioles Orange” starting April 1, 1972.

Nicely done, Troy. When you factor in the lead time on magazine cover dates (i.e., the May 13th issue of Sporting News probably hit newsstands on May 6th or 7th), that lends credence to the notion that the O’s wore the orange uniforms in Cleveland in late April. Great work!

I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

http://sportsillustr...

I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

http://sportsillustr...

agreed…there is no argument here

Love Steve Dewing’s site! It’s not a good idea to look at it during work, ’cause you’ll get nothing done.

While looking at the photos for today’s topic, I scrolled down the front page and found this very cool photo of Joe Charboneau. He’s holding a sweet, undrilled Columbia Yellow Dot that I’d LOVE to have!

Got to see him in Charleston playing for the Charlies when he was on his way down. He was quite the character.

I’m no Mets fan. Heck, I’m a Braves fan. But this is what the Mets’ road unis should look like. Period.

http://sportsillustr...

I almost completely agree.

Instead of “Mets” on the jersey, it should be “New York”. I’ve always felt that your city name should be on the road uni.

Bill Henderson\’s collection is nothing short of amazing, but he doesn\’t always draw the correct conclusions from it, and therefore leaves a lot to be desired as an authoritative source.

I don\’t know how much he\’s fixed this in recent updates, but when I bought his guide he hadn\’t taken into account that teams re-issued jerseys, and therefore that the year on the tag might well not reflect the actual year of the design.

This page on the Brewers\’ early flannels shows the problem. He\’s dating the jerseys based on the year listed on the tags, which makes his timeline all muddy. The narrow sleeve and neck piping was not introduced in 1970, it was added in 1971 to jerseys that had been worn in 1970.

I don\’t know if he\’s fixed this in subsequent updates - I sent him an email at the time but never heard back. It\’s a shame, because I want his work to be the most authentic reference possible.

He\’s also got the road jerseys backwards - the BReWeRS style was on the old Seattle unis in 1970, but the straight BREWERS was in 1971.

(Actually, I always thought the BReWeRS style might have caught on if it had been used on the home unis.)
In addition, there\’s a clear difference - the multi-stripe sleeves were on the 70 jerseys; the narrow ones in 71 also were the first to have a number on the front. Nobody had a number on the front in 70.

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