The Nationals, like every other MLB team, participated in the Jackie Robinson 42fest on April 15th. In fact, they were one of the clubs that dressed the entire team in 42 that night.
But apparently that wasn’t enough for the Nats. Yesterday’s game against the Mets was billed as “Jackie Robinson Night.” They unveiled a 42 on the outfield wall, and 42 was worn during the game by Ray King, Lastings Milledge, and Willie Harris (all shown in that photo).
This raises a bunch of questions for me:
• Why wasn’t the 42 already on the wall? Like, it was already retired, right? I realize it’s a new stadium, but so what? The number was already supposed to be retired on an MLB-wide basis.
• Why did the Nats get to dress players in 42 again? Okay, so they were on the road last week, but so what? Is every road team from April 15th gonna get to do this? I disagree with people who say that the annual April 15th celebration cheapens the number, but I do think it got cheapened a bit last night. I realize some people will say, “Anything that raises awareness of Jackie Robinson is a good thing,” and I generally agree with that, but turning his memory into a way to add another promotion to your home schedule is totally bogus. The whole point of April 15th is that it’s a one-day thing — a tribute day, a special day. If we start to make every day special, the practical result is that no days are.
• Why was Ray King wearing white cleats in the preame ceremony? He switched to black for the game.
• While we’re at it, why is Ray King so fat?
It’s also interesting to see the design scheme the Nats chose for the 42 on the outfield wall. Many (most?) teams have chosen to depict it in the old Brooklyn Dodgers design scheme, or at least in blue (additional examples here, here, and here), although not every team has done this (additional examples here, here, and here). The Nats chose to use their own font with the numbers trimmed in blue and gray, which I find to be an unsatisfying middle ground. By trying to have it both ways, they ended up with neither.
Uni Watch News Ticker: “This site has a ton of photos from the Arizona Fall League (especially from 2002),” writes Steve Delaney. “One of the most interesting finds is this — that’s Jerry Hairston of the Orioles throwing and Alfonso Soriano of the (at the time) Yankees on the right. Looks like a Little League World Series game.” … UMKC is having a logo-redesign contest. … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Best shot I’ve ever seen of Pete Maravich’s “Pistol” NOB. … A new book about goalie masks, called Saving Face, will be published this September by Wiley. The editor sent me some sample spreads, which you can see here. These pages are v-e-r-y preliminary — the text and layout will probably change significantly in the finished product — but they at least provide a sense of what the book will be like. … Jon Helf, who runs the awesome Fleer Sticker Project blog, checks in with another Pilots-related post: “Some of the late-’60s Fleer issues had different colors and styles from what the Pilots ultimately used in their intial season. You can see what I’m talking about here.” … Good article here about George Sherrill and his flat-brimmed cap. … Man, I wish I could’ve been in Seattle for this bowling alley auction. … Minnesota’s new football uniforms, unveiled yesterday, look like this, and holy shit do I hate that pants-striping treatment. No rear-view photo yet, but you can see that the stripe does a butt-cheek wraparound, which is bad news. Idiotic piping on the jersey, too. Piece o’. … And here’s the latest on Hawaii’s new uniforms. Not great, but I’m always in favor of more green, and their look has always been somewhat cartoon-ish, so it’s hard to get worked up one way or the other (with thanks to Jeff Osbun). … While searching for something else on YouTube, I came across the classic old Warner Bros. cartoon Dog Gone South, which I hadn’t seen in probably 20 years. I’d forgotten that at one point Belvedere finds himself wearing a Yankees jersey (yes, it’s in inaccurate, but hey, artistic license and all that). … “Great stirrups being worn by St. Helens High in Oregon,” writes Travis McGuire. “But what’s up with that mound?” … Attention, Jeremy Brahm: Steven Wyder spotted this on eBay. Can you offer any insights regarding its provenance? … Helmet logo problems last night for Kosuke Fukudome (with thanks to Cara Morefield). … “I was watching How I Met Your Mother from last Monday,” writes Mike Rich, “and noticed Ted (played by Josh Radner) wearing a bizarre T-shirt with a Cleveland Indians logo surrounded by a Cincinnati Reds logo. There was also a logo on his left sleeve, but they never showed a clear view.” … Several amazing new contributions from northwest baseball historian Dave Eskenazi: The first two are of the Vancouver Beavers, circa 1918. Nice, right? But the real prize is this shot of the 1938 Vancouver Maple Leafs. Man, is that totally gorgeous or what? “The players probably hated it, especially the veterans,” says Dave. … New member of the stirrups club: Matt Kemp. … The NHL’s great front-office coordination strikes again.
#1 by scott on 04.24.08 9:27 am |
Isn’t that just an Indians T-shirt with an old-school look that was being worn on the TV show?
#2 by Tuffy on 04.24.08 9:30 am |
“I was watching How I Met Your Mother from last Monday,” writes Mike Rich, “and noticed Ted (played by Josh Radner) wearing a bizarre T-shirt with a Cleveland Indians logo surrounded by a Cincinnati Reds logo. There was also a logo on his left sleeve, but they never showed a clear view.”
Cleveland once used that “C” crest, so it’s a throwback t-shirt.
I’m surprised Paul didn’t catch that himself.
#3 by Josh on 04.24.08 9:30 am |
scott said:
yeah, it used to be the hat logo… as you can see on various ones on this page:
http://shop.mlb.com/...
#4 by fiesta on 04.24.08 9:31 am |
The Indians logo was not in a Cincinnati logo, but a wishbone C that the Tribe used in the early ’50s. At times they also had a red wishbone C on navy caps.
On an unrelated note, the Minnesota Golden Gophers unveiled new football uniforms, including mix and matches of two jerseys and three pants.
http://www.startribu...
#5 by Ben on 04.24.08 9:31 am |
scott said:
Yeah, that’s the Tribe’s cap logo that was used from 1954 to 1957, however I believe the C was in front of Chief Wahoo, not behind.
#6 by who cares on 04.24.08 9:32 am |
Who’s on first? has been recreated with classic baseball cards as the backdrop.
#7 by Robert on 04.24.08 9:34 am |
It would be funny if things came full circle on Jackie Robinson’s 42. Instead of the number being retired by every team, each squad will instead be required to have one player on the field wearing 42 at all times.
#8 by Chris is Nashville on 04.24.08 9:34 am |
fiesta said:
I don’t want to burst your bubble but Paul mentioned that in the ticker, in between the bowling thing and the new Hawaii uniforms.
#9 by Chris is Nashville on 04.24.08 9:36 am |
who cares said:
That was painful to watch
#10 by Mark on 04.24.08 9:37 am |
I think Ray King is just wearing tennis shoes in the unveiling ceremony.
#11 by Joe H on 04.24.08 9:39 am |
Ben said:
I’m surprised that quote even got into the ticker without explanation…usually Paul would point out the origin of the logo
#12 by Carl G on 04.24.08 9:39 am |
• While we’re at it, why is Ray King so fat?
I don’t know, why was Christopher Reeves a cripple? Do you have so little to discuss that you need to make fun of a baseball player for being fat? Does that have something to do with uniforms that I am missing? C’mon, you can do better than that.
#13 by Steve on 04.24.08 9:40 am |
Chris is Nashville said:
I agree. AWFUL Acting! I want my 5:20 back!
#14 by Garrett on 04.24.08 9:40 am |
Come on, I love Ray King. He looks exactly like a teenage mutant ninja turtle.
#15 by Paul Lukas on 04.24.08 9:42 am |
Tuffy said:
So am I. I was rushing to put the Ticker together this morning and wasn’t thinking. Shame on me.
#16 by fiesta on 04.24.08 9:42 am |
Oops, Chris in Nashville, that’s what I get for skimming. Sorry all.
#17 by Bryan Redemske on 04.24.08 9:43 am |
I know why Ray King is so fat:
Hot dogs. Thousands and thousands of hot dogs. Oh, and he’s a left-handed specialist. The dude’s job is to sit around and wait for that one situation where he has the upper hand. After that situation is dealt with, he’s done — go take a shower Ray. The whole thing takes probably 20 minutes. And then it’s hot dog time.
#18 by Mike Miller on 04.24.08 9:45 am |
That mound in Oregon looks like a portable mound that can be placed anywhere. I’ve seen those a few times, mostly indoors so pitchers can get more realistic practice inside. From the many lines on the field, it looks like a multi-purpose field and having a permanent mound on it would wreck the multi-purpose aspect of it.
#19 by Pells on 04.24.08 9:45 am |
Interestingly, the Nats have a graphic dedicated to Jackie Robinson in their bullpen already, so I’m not sure why they also put the 42 on the outfield wall, regardless of the font it appears in. The graphic is the baseball on the wall of the bullpen in the twelfth photo in the linked gallery.
#20 by Mike Engle on 04.24.08 9:45 am |
Matt Kemp’s stirrups…backwards?
Speaking of which, Mr. Lukas, how did the trip to Camden/Stirrups Day/the first pitch go?
#21 by Steve on 04.24.08 9:46 am |
Carl G said:
I agree. The guy makes $850k a year. If I was that size and made that money, I could care less about my weight! Especially if my bosses didn’t care either….
#22 by baseball » Blog Archive » Forty-Deuce Redux on 04.24.08 9:46 am |
[...] Duste wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptSeveral amazing new contributions from northwest baseball historian Dave Eskenazi: The first two are of the Vancouver Beavers, circa 1918. Nice, right? But the real prize is this shot of the 1938 Vancouver Maple Leafs. … [...]
#23 by Nicole on 04.24.08 9:47 am |
In that 1938 Vancouver Maple Leafs shot, there’s no “s” on the jersey. It just says Maple Leaf.
In regards to that Indians shirt from “How I Met Your Mother,” I’ve seen that shape C used on Chicago Bears hats/shirts, Cleveland apparel and Cincinnati stuff. I was never able to find any answers and just kind of figured that the typography was used in the past at some point.
#24 by Chris is Nashville on 04.24.08 9:47 am |
Carl G said:
Christopher Reeves was cripple because of an unfortunate equestrian accident. Not even close to Ray King.
#25 by Mike on 04.24.08 9:47 am |
I was at last nights Nat’s game and I have question about Ray King…why is he do bad?
#26 by Paul Lukas on 04.24.08 9:47 am |
Mike Engle said:
That’s not until early June.
#27 by Pells on 04.24.08 9:48 am |
#28 by D.H. on 04.24.08 9:48 am |
I think Minnesota has some of the worst uniforms…from the school to the Vikings to the Wolves. It got me thinking about what city/state has the worst uniforms for all sports combined. On the other end of that, NY has some of the classiest uni’s from the Giants, Jets, Yankees, Knicks and Mets.
#29 by Dustin Pomprowitz on 04.24.08 9:48 am |
The interesting thing dealing with the “42″ links is that Busch Stadium is in there twice. Which one is the current one, the one with the blue 42 or the one in red?
#30 by joe on 04.24.08 9:50 am |
Carl G said:
Reeves is a cripple becuase he took a header off a horse. Ray King is fat because he wont pass up a cheeseburger. And it makes him look like he’s wearing a tent, which makes it uni related.
#31 by chance on 04.24.08 9:50 am |
Speaking of Seattle’s rushed design, there’s a photo floating around of manager Joe Schultz wearing a third possible Seattle cap, with an italicized “S” in the same style as their wordmark.
I know I have a better copy somewhere on my archival hard drives, but I can’t find it at the moment.
#32 by Zach on 04.24.08 9:51 am |
Ben said:
This is actually a Retro Sport t-shirt with what is apparently a vintage logo for the Canton-Akron Indians (the AA team for the Cleveland Indians). You can buy it here: http://www.distantre...
Ted actually wears Retro Sport t-shirts pretty much every episode (or at least has for the past 5 or 6 episodes).
#33 by kj on 04.24.08 9:52 am |
Interesting that two of the pictures that show a retired 42 are of the same wall in Busch Stadium, but in two different styles.
42 in blue, numbers in circles
42 in red, block numbers
#34 by interlockingtc on 04.24.08 9:54 am |
Sunset Bowl’s demise is yet another slice of old Seattle’s soul being lost to gentrification. Sigh.
Meanwhile, those Gophers uniforms are yet another example of gentrification. And stupidity. Yeech.
#35 by chance on 04.24.08 9:55 am |
Ben said:
Just to make it official….
FWIW, the Tribe used a plain wishbone “C” on their caps before Cincy did.
#36 by Jim on 04.24.08 9:55 am |
Retiring Jackie’s number league wide is a great honor, but I’m sorry, then having most of the league wear it goes against the EXACT reason of retiring a number. No one is supposed to wear it again. Cheapens it a little in my opinion.
#37 by Jordan Pope on 04.24.08 9:56 am |
i just thought i would pass this along.
The Washington State football team is supposedly making the switch from Russell Athletic to Nike after this season.
#38 by Jim on 04.24.08 9:59 am |
Jim said:
No love for the Rangers?!? Not even going ask for love for the Islanders (Yuck).
#39 by Mike on 04.24.08 10:00 am |
Anyone have any background or history on the wishbone “C”? With teams in different sports using it, I was curious as to where it came from.
#40 by Thorold Blair on 04.24.08 10:01 am |
Carl G said:
Who cares?
#41 by Bill Jones on 04.24.08 10:05 am |
The photo from “How I Met Your Mother” is actually an old logo from the Canton-Akron Indians. They used that as a cap logo before becoming the Akron Aeros.
#42 by Stuby on 04.24.08 10:06 am |
kj said:
Could be because the Cardinals have also retired #42 for Bruce Sutter
#43 by who cares on 04.24.08 10:06 am |
you rang?
#44 by Jody Moore on 04.24.08 10:08 am |
I don’t know if anybody commented about it yet, but last Friday and Sunday, the Texas Tech Red Raider baseball team played in some pretty snazzy 1930’s throwback unis against Kansas State. Lots of pics here in the photo gallery at the top of this page. I thought you’d enjoy the stirrups especially, Paul, and the K-State unis’ll give you something to groan on about for a while.
#45 by D.H. on 04.24.08 10:08 am |
Jim said:
Sorry….Don’t know how I forgot the Rangers!
#46 by GoTerriers on 04.24.08 10:09 am |
kj said:
The one in blue is for Jackie Robinson.
The one in Cardinals red is for Hall of Fame pitcher Bruce Sutter, who had his number retired the summer he was inducted into the HOF.
#47 by Perry on 04.24.08 10:09 am |
kj said:
And according to this, they’ve changed the display again, adding Bruce Sutter’s name to Robinson’s above 42. Which, as a Cardinal fan, I find ridiculous.
http://stlouis.cardi...
#48 by WFY on 04.24.08 10:11 am |
Actually, King lost a lot of weight in the offseason.
#49 by RBCaya on 04.24.08 10:15 am |
Today is the day Hockey Canada comes out and makes the new Team Canada jerseys public.
Good lord, I’ve seen them, and it’s not pretty.
*You’ve all been warned. They are quite ugly*
I’ll just keep wearing my Steve Yzerman 2002-era black alternate, the pinnacle of Canadian hockey jerseys.
#50 by Stuby on 04.24.08 10:15 am |
Perry said:
What’s even more ridiculous is retiring 85 for August Busch because it was his 85th birthday.
#51 by Dustin Pomprowitz on 04.24.08 10:17 am |
Dustin Pomprowitz said:
kj said:
Doing some research, the blue was there for 2006, and Jack Buck’s mic wasn’t up there then, either. The update and current should be the red version, which makes sense with the Sutter honor as well.
#52 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 10:21 am |
Robert said:
no it wouldn’t
#53 by James P. on 04.24.08 10:23 am |
The Astros have actually moved their retired numbers to the outfield along the framework that “Minute Maid” sits on, and they changed the design to just be the number on a disk. I can’t find a larger picture, but 42 looks no different than the other retired numbers.
#54 by Carl G on 04.24.08 10:24 am |
joe said:
Yeah, thanks, because I really did not know why Reeves was disabled. The point is if that the heading made fun of him for being black, mentally retarded or any other disability, everyone would have a conniption. But no problem with making fun of him for being fat.
#55 by Thorold Blair on 04.24.08 10:28 am |
Carl G said:
I’m fat.. and I like a good fat joke! Lighten up.
#56 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 10:28 am |
Carl G said:
yeah…but he wasn’t born fat
or…was he?
#57 by Ricko on 04.24.08 10:32 am |
It’s an Indians hat logo from 1953 or ‘54 through 1957 (in ‘58 went to just red wishbone “C” edged in white). And Chief Wahoo was in front of the “C”. They reprised it for one season a couple years later (’62, maybe?). I’ve seen that odd Pilots hat before. Based on baseball card photos with obvious Arizona spring training vistas in bkgd, a plain block “S” was the only trim on hat for most of spring training. Then that italic “S” with the scrambled eggs came along but had a very short life (it may even have been used in a few reg. season games) before they settled on the block “S” with the nautical trim. I remember watching it at the time (’69), wondering when they were gonna settle on their hat design.
#58 by Carl G on 04.24.08 10:33 am |
Thorold Blair said:
Well, good for you for being fat. You should be very proud. The fact that you like it however, doesn’t mean everyone else does.
And asking why he is so fat is not exactly a good fat joke. It was no George Carlin or Chris Rock.
#59 by Seattle Matt on 04.24.08 10:35 am |
LI Phil said:
An ESPN.com editorial floated this very idea about 4 years ago.
#60 by Kenny on 04.24.08 10:36 am |
WFY said:
Prove it
#61 by Kris Fulton on 04.24.08 10:37 am |
RBCaya said:
The black is the pinnacle? The 2008 IIHF Women’s World Hockey Championship marked the first time Canada wore black jerseys in a final – and they lost.
Team Canada is best in red.
#62 by Jeremy Brahm on 04.24.08 10:38 am |
The Japanese pinstriped uniform looks real. Rawlings is a manufacturer of Japanese jerseys. I am a little surprised that the uniform is trimmed. Most Japanese would not destroy their jerseys like this.
My guess is that this was a high school or college uniform, but have no date on it.
#63 by Mike Engle on 04.24.08 10:39 am |
Paul Lukas said:
Oh. I was under the impression that that would be in conjunction with the Philly trip. Maybe that’s because you discussed both the Philly and Camden trip in the same blog entry one time. My mistake.
#64 by Hank on 04.24.08 10:40 am |
New Rainbow Warrior unis: Not a bad look. The shoulder sections are a bit reminiscent of Oregon. Now the big question. They couldn’t find a couple of players to model the uniforms? Or has Hawaii been recruting the T-1000 Terminator for next season?
#65 by Pat on 04.24.08 10:41 am |
Dustin Pomprowitz said:
Right, the opening of the stadium was a bit rushed and there was little recognition of the previous history around the stadium the first season. Remember, the stadium opened 3/4 finished and there was very little acknowledgment of the retired numbers or the 9 (at the time) championships. For the second year the outfield wall numbers were added as well as changing the retired numbers on the scoreboard to match the rest of the signage.
#66 by Ricko on 04.24.08 10:41 am |
Notice the vanilla spring training unis for the Pilots, too. A far cry from the powder blue roads with gold and blue lettering, or the white homes with team logo and number on front they had for the regular season. I remember thinking they must have ordered their spring training gear right out of a catalog.
http://cgi.ebay.com/...
#67 by BM on 04.24.08 10:44 am |
The Pilots color variation would seem to actually be a printing error. For those with PhotoShop, take those picures that are orange/blue and shift the hue for the entire image. In short order you’ll get the correct yellow/navy blue scheme. I think that somebody at Fleer back then simply screwed up the colors when they went to press.
#68 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 10:49 am |
LI Phil said:
that’s punny ;)
#69 by Mike Engle on 04.24.08 10:51 am |
A question for all of the Mets fans in the house.
Found a picture of this Ron Swoboda rookie card. (It’s an eBay auction.) The question isn’t the number, as Rocky took #14 under Casey, but then let next manager Gil Hodges have it. The real question is, what is that sleeve patch?
#70 by Stan aka the took on 04.24.08 10:54 am |
As we all know and the last bit proves it even more Gary Bettman has the mental stability of a duck… a good way your shitty league no one watches can make money and you shoot it down. Yeah your a twat GGGGaaaaarrrrrrrry.
#71 by Hank on 04.24.08 10:54 am |
Mike Engle said:
Looks to be for 1964 World’s Fair?
#72 by Hank on 04.24.08 10:56 am |
Hank said:
Oops forgot the link.
#73 by Alan on 04.24.08 10:59 am |
WFY said:
Looks like he found it.
#74 by Bryan S on 04.24.08 11:01 am |
Actually, there was already a 42 at Nationals Park, it was located in the visitors bullpen, but it was very small. No pictures right now, I’ll check later.
#75 by Paul Lukas on 04.24.08 11:01 am |
Hank said:
The patch looked like this.
#76 by John T on 04.24.08 11:02 am |
Hank said:
better view here (thanks Chris)
#77 by TK on 04.24.08 11:06 am |
Regardless as to whether or not you should have Jackie Robinson Day again, the unveiling last night was very confusing for me. I knew I’d seen the 42 already retired, but I couldn’t find it when I looked for it pregame. Then I saw the blue tarp and thought that they were just unveiling the number I’d already seen.
But nope. Here’s a picture I took on April 10, which has the number retired and in the visitors’ bullpen. That area is now painted over with green. As you can see, the original is a lot better than the new one.
http://s9.photobucke...
#78 by Rick White in Cedar Park, TX on 04.24.08 11:08 am |
Steve said:
I could tell after ten seconds that the acting was horrific. I stopped there. So, you can have the 5:10 that I didn’t waste. :)
#79 by Robert on 04.24.08 11:09 am |
Seattle Matt said:
Oh barf.
#80 by ScottyJ in WV on 04.24.08 11:12 am |
Seeing the photos from the Sunset Lanes auction made me sad. I hate seeing centers close, especially older ones from bowling’s golden age. I’m glad I wasn’t there.
#81 by ScottyJ in WV on 04.24.08 11:15 am |
By the way, I love the idea behind honoring Jackie Robinson, but I HATE how it’s been done the past few years.
Retired numbers aren’t worn during play. They’re retired. Have a banner put up. Have a statue made. Hold a grand ceremony before the game, and then play ball. Everybody doesn’t need to wear Jackie’s number.
#82 by Ricko on 04.24.08 11:18 am |
Pilots colors were light gold and royal blue, not navy.
#83 by Duckstyle on 04.24.08 11:19 am |
Duckstyle said:
Born fat, it\’s possible, my mom had a lot of fun telling my fiancee about my uncle who was 12 lbs at birth and not that long either(I’m talking body length not, well you know). But he could have some sort of genetic predisposition to being fat, like a thyroid problem or something. For me it was getting a desk job with too many nice people that bring in doughnuts because they woke up early(the excuses are great), 25 lbs in 3 years, ugh.
Btw, am I the only one that sees the same anit-spam word every time? Not that I’m complaining.
#84 by Matt Lesser on 04.24.08 11:19 am |
Ewwwww. New Hockey Canada jerseys…
Look
#85 by Ricko on 04.24.08 11:20 am |
LOL. Sorry, I meant “vanilla” as in bland, not as an actual color. They wore off-the-rack white and grays for spring training.
#86 by Eriq Jaffe on 04.24.08 11:21 am |
As far as U.S. Cellular goes, Jackie Robinson is retired with the same type of high-contrast image as the Sox retirees, but they have stuffed (or, uh, segregated?) Jackie all by himself by the visiting bullpen in right field.
#87 by Marty Met on 04.24.08 11:34 am |
D.H. said:
Yuch the Rangers sweaters are BORING. Just go across the river. The Devils sweaters are sweet. and their logo is one of the best in the NHL.
#88 by alex on 04.24.08 11:34 am |
Kris Fulton said:
Here are the leaked Team Canada Jersey pics from http://nhllogos.blog....
Away
Home
Sleeve Patch
#89 by Joey Guns on 04.24.08 11:37 am |
When sponsorships go too far.
Baseball players aren’t allowed to drink water in dugouts! Geeze!
http://www.nj.com/ya...
#90 by Marty Met on 04.24.08 11:38 am |
interlockingtc said:
I like the Gophers uniforms with the exception of the double outline on the numbers.
#91 by Marc from TN on 04.24.08 11:39 am |
Ray King is wearing the Nike trainers that are the companion shoes to their cleats. There’s really no point for a reliever to wear his spikes an hour before the start of a game he may or may not even pitch in. It’s all about the comfort.
#92 by Tony on 04.24.08 11:44 am |
Yeah he wore an OHIO STATE shirt a few months back(actually apeared in two episodes) that i found once before, now i cant find it at all. it was a red shirt with a cartoony looking football player doing a heisman pose. i really wanted that shirt too
Zach said:
#93 by Ronnie Poore on 04.24.08 11:44 am |
re: the Hawai’i unis…the best part of their previous look is gone. those garter stripes on one pant leg was unique and very cool
#94 by Duckstyle on 04.24.08 11:45 am |
Duckstyle said:
I\’m going to have to disagree with all of you on some accounts. For one, the Knicks and Mets can never be in any decent uni category until they get rid of the black, it looks f\’n stupid. And btw, I still can\’t understand what people see in the hidious Devils unis. There ugly as sin, their just too blocking, the stripes are too wide. Old school or not, they need a big makeover.
On a side note, can anyone from the NY/NJ area please explain the team allegiances in that area. It’s toally confusing to everyone I know. Not that it matters, but I’ve always just been curious. Is it as simple as who your dad roots for, or are the side of town as important as they are to say, Cubs and Sox fans?
#95 by Sean on 04.24.08 11:49 am |
Hank said:
According to mbtn.net , the number 14 has been only worn by 3 people. Gil Hodges originally wore it from the clubs inception util his release in May of ‘63. Then in 1965 (the year of the card’s photo) Ron Swoboda wore it the entire 1965 season. Swoboda would then give up 14 for new acquired Ken Boyer. Ken would wear 14 from the start of the 1967 season until he was traded to the White Sox July of 1967.
The number would be unworn until the Mets “traded” for then Washington Senators manager Gil Hodges. Gil would then wear 14 until his all too soon death in 1972. :(
Yes, The Mets actually traded one of their players, Bill Denehy, for Hodges which was managing in Washington at the time. I beleieve that the Mets thought highly of his time with the Mets as player, mentoring the younger players during the end of his playing career. Something that is unheard of now.
#96 by Brett C. on 04.24.08 11:50 am |
I don’t know if anyone else has posted this or not, but I believe that Ray King is just wearing a pair of turf shoes during the pre-game ceremony.
As for him being fat? Well, I’ve got a feeling he is not stranger to the post game spread.
#97 by Marty Met on 04.24.08 11:51 am |
Duckstyle said:
I live in Jersey and work in mid-town. I root for the Mets, Jets, Devils and Nets. My next door neighbor is dir hard Yankees and Giants fan. A guy across the street roots for the Devils, Giants and Mets.
But, take a look at the Devils logo it is really sweet, and the sweaters are better than the Rangers or Islanders by far. And I’m not saying that just because I’m a Devils fan. I love the Nets but HATE their uniforms.
#98 by Jim on 04.24.08 11:53 am |
ScottyJ in WV said:
Agreed
#99 by Tony on 04.24.08 11:53 am |
Most of the throwback shirts are usually Ohio based teams being Josh is from Ohio(around the columbus area i do believe)
#100 by Carl G on 04.24.08 11:54 am |
Duckstyle said:
I can take a crack at it at least for baseball and football. Obviously, people in the Bronx tend to be yankee fans and people in Queens tend to be mets fans. If you go out towards long island, people tend to be mets fans. if you go towards upstate, they tend to be yankee fans. I live in New Jersey, and it seems like a majority of New Jerseyans are yankees fans (although i am a Mets fan). As to football, I think their is a simialar dynamic, as the Jets used to play in Queens and many people who are Mets fans are Jets fans. The Giants training camp, however, is in Albany, so when you go closer to upstate you get more Giants fans. New Jerseyans also seem to lean towards the Giants, potentially because the Giants moved to Jersey first.
In Hockey, everyone is (and should be) a Ranger’s fan. If you watched the Devils/Ranger’s series, it seemed their were more Rangers fans than Devils fans. Same seems to happen at regular season Islander and Devils games.
#101 by Jim on 04.24.08 11:55 am |
Matt Lesser said:
I actually like them, excpet for the swoosh. But where are they going to put the sleeve numbers? There is a Canada patch where they normally go. If they put them above it will look like it will overlap the seam of red and white. Other than that, look good to me.
#102 by Jim on 04.24.08 11:57 am |
Too bad their not a New York Team.
#103 by Jim on 04.24.08 12:00 pm |
Jim said:
Referring to the Devils (Post #87) , forgot to quote the post again after I forgot to type in the code…. dumbass.
#104 by chance on 04.24.08 12:01 pm |
Duckstyle said:
Agreed. The Mets should have one of the best looks in sports (especially the white homes with blue piping), but the black really ruins it. Even when the black is limited to a dropshadow, it makes the wordmark muddy and harder to read. Doesn’t pop as much as it did in the old color scheme.
Duckstyle said:
Side of town is much less important than in Chicago, because there’s less of a clear-cut demarcation once you get out of Queens and the Bronx. A lot of it is family heritage.
New Jersey is spoken of as being Yankee territory, and Connecticut is spoken of as belonging to the Mets (though my experience there is exactly the opposite). That could be related to how easy it is to get to each ballpark, which would make Westchester solidly pinstriped.
#105 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 12:06 pm |
LI Phil said:
there doesn’t seem to be any rhyme nor reason to it…many, like myself, root for who their dad’s root for…
my allegiances are to the mets, giants, knicks (used to be nets YEARS AGO when they played on the island) and isles…guy i work with is half my age and he’s a yankees/jets/knicks/rangers fan
many ‘old schoolers’ are yanks/g-men, others are mets/jets
me…aside from my stated alliances, am an NL/NFC guy first and foremost (for example, when the cards eliminated the mets in 06, i rooted for the cards over the tigers)
finally…there are SOME who are yanks/cowboys/bulls fans, simply because those teams were good when they were growing up
hoops and puck have kind of lost my interest the past several years
#106 by Joe Drennan on 04.24.08 12:08 pm |
D.H. said:
I agree, Minnesota on a whole has bad uniforms. the Wild are an exception though, as are the U of M men’s hockey sweaters at times. What get’s me about the new U of M football uniforms though is that they have know TV numbers on teh sleves (or lack of sleve).
A city with great uniforms – Chicago. The classic Cubs, Bears, Blackhawks and (although I despise them as I’m a Cubs fan) the White Sox. The AHL Wolves even have nice sweaters too. The MLS Fire were in this category till they went Euro style and placed an ad on their chest.
#107 by RedWing in Colorado on 04.24.08 12:09 pm |
Long time troller, first time poster.
I’m going to work for a brand new high school next year, and we’ve gone through the process of selecting colors (Columbia Blue, Black, and Silver (yuk) and a mascot (the Wolves) You can see bothhere .
The question that has been raised is this: should we keep just the one logo, or should we allow for a proliferation of logos throughout the school. I think I kno wwhat you’ll say, but I’m asking just to make sure.
#108 by Scott B on 04.24.08 12:09 pm |
The Rams will wear a script “Georgia” memorial patch next year, unfortunately no pics yet.
#109 by Patrick on 04.24.08 12:09 pm |
LOVE those Texas Tech baseball throwbacks.
I’d like to see more teams, college or pro, adopt similar old-school designs as their regular uniform, and am kind of surprised more haven’t.
#110 by Carl G on 04.24.08 12:10 pm |
LI Phil said:
As for me, I am a Jets fan because before I was born, my father was a Giants fan, and my mom wanted to buy him season tickets as a present, but she could not get Giants tickets, so got Jets instead (back in 1965). Thus, from a young age I went to most jets games and became a Jets fan. As to the Mets, both my parents were from Brooklyn, so i was really not allowed to be a Yankees fan growing up.
#111 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 12:10 pm |
LI Phil said:
connecticut is bizarre…you can almost draw a straight line bisecting the state, and the western half is yankees fans, and the eastern half is sawks fans
simple as that
#112 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 12:11 pm |
Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland said:
My $0.02 – I grew up on Lawn Guyland in the early 60\’s, and the older male relatives in my family were all Brooklyn Dodger fans, who immediately swore allegiance to the Mets upon their inception. I became a Jets fan because my uncles became tired of the Giants and their less-than-stellar seasons in the 60\’s. I rooted for the Nets and Islanders because of their Lawn Guyland connection/roots. I was a NY Ranger fan until they traded away Eddie Giacomin, at which point I swore that I would never root for them again.
Now that I live in Chicagoland (not to be confused with Disneyland, BTW), I still root for my NY teams, as well as the White Sox (natural because of the rivalry with the Evil Empire) and the Blackhawks (because of the history and the sweater), as does my teenage daughter.
Okay, looks like I went way over budget on the \”$0.02\” part
#113 by John on 04.24.08 12:12 pm |
I noticed an interesting item about the Gopher’s new jerseys, which I do like alot outisde of the pants alternate color stripe, they don’t have shoulder numbers!
A note about the number outlines, it looks like Nike is trying to standardize a look for numbers, the hockey team has the same style of numbers on their maroon jerseys.
#114 by John S. on 04.24.08 12:12 pm |
New member of the stirrups club: Matt Kemp
That’s why they call him The Bison
#115 by Brandon T. on 04.24.08 12:18 pm |
Question: Who did Dodgers and Giants fans pull for when their respective teams left New York? The Mets didn’t come around until ‘62, so there’s a four year gap there. I haven’t been able to find anything on the internet about this, any help is appreciated.
#116 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 12:23 pm |
Brandon T. said:
I know that my uncles and grandfather rooted for the Red Sox….and for both O’Malley and Stoneham to die horrible deaths ;-)
#117 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 12:26 pm |
Brandon T. said:
Here’s one to chew on:
An old Brooklyn barb is that the three greatest villains of the Twentieth Century were Hitler, Stalin, and O’Malley. The joke is if a fan was locked in a room with the three and had only two bullets who would he shoot? The Answer? O’Malley. Twice.
#118 by Duckstyle on 04.24.08 12:28 pm |
Thanks for the New York/New Jersey sports geography lessons, damn that’s a lot of info. I’d agree with your Connecticut assessments to a point. I have to travel to Windsor Locks(near Hartford) a lot for work and their doesn’t seem to be any reason to it at all. I went out to watch Monday Night Football there a couple years back and it seemed like every north eastern team was represented in caps and jerseys. But I guess when you don’t have a team of your own, that’ll happen. I know a lot of my colleagues are from Iowa and they don’t have any good geographic reasons for who they root for. And of course, they’re all Cubs fans by default, damn Harry Carey/WGN.
#119 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 12:29 pm |
Duckstyle said:
…that, plus the Iowa Cubs farm team probably helps
#120 by Duckstyle on 04.24.08 12:30 pm |
Marty Met said:
The Devils lgo is preety sweet, it’s just the wide stripes that get me. And I don’t know why, but I ‘ve always liked the Rnagers look.
#121 by Jon on 04.24.08 12:33 pm |
What’s with the sudden hatred for the Nats? They paid tribute to Jackie’s #42 by wearing 42s and placing a 42 (OH NO! IT’S NOT BROOKLYN DODGERS BLUE!) on the outfield wall. So what? It’s not going to be a annual thing to wear 42 twice. And “why is Ray King” so fat? Stick to the unis.
#122 by Ricko on 04.24.08 12:33 pm |
Getting back to the Indians hat logo. It was 1962 that it was brought back for one season. To my knowledge that is only time Chief Wahoo in his present form was used on both the hat and the uniform (left jersey sleeve, sans wishbone “C”).
#123 by Braves Fan on 04.24.08 12:37 pm |
Another for the stirrup club: Jeff Bennett wore some pretty good stirrups in his start against the Marlins last night.
#124 by chance on 04.24.08 12:37 pm |
Jon said:
Yeah, calling something “unsatisfying middle ground” equals “hatred.” Sheesh.
#125 by Ed on 04.24.08 12:43 pm |
Brandon T. said:
Log time lurker finally making the move to poster.
My mom’s family was from Brooklyn and followed the Dodgers. My Dad’s family was from NJ and followed the Giants.
Both started to follow the Yanks once the teams moved west.
#126 by Nate in the PDX on 04.24.08 12:43 pm |
So Rudy Giuliani is coaching at Minnesota now? Sheesh, that’s a pretty steep drop from being one of the leading presidential candidates. Good luck to him and the Gophers, I guess.
#127 by James Craven on 04.24.08 12:46 pm |
Brandon T. said:
IIRC, from 1958 through 1961, WOR-TV and one local radio station in NYC carried Phillies games,. so they’d root for the Phillies until the Mets were formed. Tough times I tell you.
#128 by Mike P on 04.24.08 12:48 pm |
Duckstyle said:
Come on Tri-staters. Most people go Yanks/Giants and Mets/Jets. This is because the Giants used to play all home games at Yankee Stadium and the Jets were at Shea. Anyone who was a NY baseball Giants and Brooklyn Dodger fan swore to not l ike the Yankees, so they embraced the mets. And these ties kept up as people moved out of NY and into the surrounding area. Obviously, most kids like who there father likes to it sticks to this die. I simply like the Yanks/Jets simply because everyone likes the Giants.
#129 by Tony on 04.24.08 12:52 pm |
Ricko said:
but its not an actually Cleveland Inidan logo though, we have already concluded its a Canton-Akron Indians shirt he wore in the show, thats being sold on DistantReplays.com.
#130 by James Craven on 04.24.08 12:55 pm |
D.H. said:
Agreed with Minnesota having pathetic uniforms. The Twins have a nameplate on the back of the jerseys and wear pinstripes away from home that makes them look like pajamas (hitched up pants or not), the Wild look like they celebrate Christmas in those colors, the Vikings when they wear their white jersey/purple pants combo look like half-dyed Easter eggs, the T-Wolves look like crap and don’t get me started on last year’s Gopher all-yellow uniforms.
Now you want fugly? The 1977-79 Rangers’ John Ferguson design. Even the Rangers fans hated it, so when Rred Shero took over, he trashed them until Winnipeg (under Ferguson) revived it in 1979-80. And they were still fugly!
#131 by B.G. on 04.24.08 12:57 pm |
Bettman is turning the NHL into the NFL–No Fun League. He even outlawed the Redwings Zamboni guy from twirling the Octopus that usually gets thrown in the rink– a time honored tradition! He can pick it up but can’t twirl it. If he does, he faces a $10,000 fine :(
Ironically, my anti-spam security word was FINE!
#132 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 12:57 pm |
James Craven said:
You are correct, sir! (At least according to Wikipedia- scroll down to “Sports programing”)
#133 by PaulR on 04.24.08 1:03 pm |
… While searching for something else on YouTube, I came across the classic old Warner Bros. cartoon Dog Gone South, which I hadn’t seen in probably 20 years. I’d forgotten that at one point Belvedere finds himself wearing a Yankees jersey (yes, it’s in inaccurate, but hey, artistic license and all that). …
Loved the Belvedere cartoon as a yougster! I was watching an old Spider-Man cartoon recently which showed the web-head looking down on Yankee Stadium…sorry, no screen caps for you at the moment.
#134 by Philly Bill on 04.24.08 1:03 pm |
Can anyone comment on the Red Sox (circa 1967) making inroads into the Dodgers- and Giants-less Tri-State fan base? I’ve read a few places that some alienated former NL fans in the area – specifically in CT – started to gravitate toward the Red Sox that season. (Shoulda been 2 years more patient with the Mets, IMO.)
And – without seeing the name and number treatments – I like the Team Canada jerseys. I fall in lockstep with Paul and find the swooshtika loathsome, but I think it’s a nice, clean design that features a good logo. And I like the more traditional stripe treatment, especially compared with the unis trotted out at the Torino Olympics.
(I chose that photo to show the stripes, not to tweak you Canadians.)
#135 by Geoff on 04.24.08 1:08 pm |
This is actually a Retro Sport t-shirt with what is apparently a vintage logo for the Canton-Akron Indians (the AA team for the Cleveland Indians). You can buy it here: http://www.distantre...
Ted actually wears Retro Sport t-shirts pretty much every episode (or at least has for the past 5 or 6 episodes).
… I worked for the Canton-Akron Indians in 1989 when we moved to Canton, OH from Burlington, VT. The ballpark was in Canton, and paid for by Canton residents before we announced the name would be the “Canton-Akron Indians”. There was some outrage because Akron really did nothing to bring a team to the area.
To help lessen the controversy, we asked for permission to use the old logo showing the wishbone C and Chief Wahoo on our caps, and Major League Baseball and the Cleveland Indians allowed us to do so. I don’t think the logo ever appeared on our jerseys (which were the same jerseys as the big league team used).
The Canton-Akron Indians died in the 90s when the city of Akron courted the team and built a bigger, better ballpark. The team is now known as the Akron Aeros.
#136 by Buccigross Fan Club on 04.24.08 1:09 pm |
Matt Lesser said:
Yeah, what’s the “ewwwww” for? These designs are not terrible. Not particularly inspired, but not awful to look at.
#137 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 1:27 pm |
LI Phil said:
while that is true, guess where both the gints and
jetstitans played before those respective stadia?if you said the polo grounds, you win…
so, not all alliances are based on the yankee & shea connections
#138 by =bg= on 04.24.08 1:32 pm |
what? No Sean Taylor #21 on the wall in DC?
#139 by Tod H. on 04.24.08 1:35 pm |
Carl G said:
Sounds like someone ate all your Krispy Kremes this morning.
#140 by Kevin M. on 04.24.08 1:38 pm |
Joey Guns said:
Here is the follow up to that article saying its OK to drink the water in the dugout. The funniest quote from the article is this
Perhaps it was the White Sox that ordered the signs — not surprising, given the organization’s controlling, overbearing attitude in general.
Coming from a Yankees blog that is laughable.
#141 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 1:40 pm |
LI Phil said:
DAMMIT, PHIL! ;-)
G-Men played at Coogan’s Bluff for a long time, but then went to Yankee Stadium, not the other way around.
So, it’s more like a tie than a win ;-)
#142 by Rick White in Cedar Park, TX on 04.24.08 1:40 pm |
RedWing in Colorado said:
I say keep the logo consistent. Allowing changes weakens recognition.
As a side note, interesting that y’all have a new Vista Ridge High School opening up. The Leander Texas ISD opened up a Vista Ridge a couple of years ago. And, one of the other schools in the district has Timberwolves as their nickname. File that under “small world”.
#143 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 1:45 pm |
Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland said:
Even more laughable is a Yankee beat writer calling a Chicago summer \”humid\” – no more so than a summer in NYC and environs, particularly Lawn Guyland – now THAT\’S humid!
#144 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 1:48 pm |
Ladies and Gentlemen – Exhibit A in the argument for black uniforms for sports teams (tongue firmly in cheek)
#145 by hugh on 04.24.08 1:49 pm |
For another take on the ongoing retired number debate, check out Joe Posnanski’s blog, where he gives his opinion on every MLB team’s number-retiring decisions. (On a side note, I’ve gotta say that my home state Cleveland Indians’ decision to retire number 455 “for the fans” — a nod to 455 consecutive sellouts — has got to be the lamest of ‘em all.)
#146 by Duckstyle on 04.24.08 1:51 pm |
Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland said:
I guess, we had an Expos, Reds, Cubs, and Royals farm team in my city and it was cool seeing Delino Deshields(was my faovrite player for the now defunct Rockford Expos), Johnny Damon, and Randy Johnson play just down the road. Now we’re stuck with an independent league team, believe me the drop-off in skills is huge.
#147 by bettendor on 04.24.08 1:52 pm |
Buccigross Fan Club said:
Actually, the red jersey is not bad, even with the Nike swoosh (I can live with that). The whites are not so good, particularly with the large area of red on the shoulders (they could’ve gone a little easy on that – think of the blue shoulder stripes on the Montreal Canadiens’ white jerseys).
#148 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 1:54 pm |
Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland said:
i know
is there a part of before that wasn’t specific enough? ;)
#149 by Adam on 04.24.08 1:55 pm |
I really like the new high school’s color scheme. Columbia blue and black is an original combo.
As for the logo, I think there should always be a “minimalist” logo. The logo on the document is pretty intense. A simple “Vista Ridge” wordmark (sans wolf) would be a good idea. A uniform wordmark is an underrated piece of an athletic departments identity.
#150 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 1:58 pm |
Tod H. said:
i haven’t laughed so hard since i beat michael j. fox at jenga
#151 by Joey Guns on 04.24.08 2:01 pm |
WOW
The buried David Ortiz jersey sold for $175k on eBay!
http://cgi.ebay.com/...
#152 by Tape on 04.24.08 2:02 pm |
RBCaya said:
Since when is black on the Canadian flag?
#153 by Michael Kaus on 04.24.08 2:12 pm |
I just took a tour of the Nationals ball park while in DC this weekend.
Regarding the #42 being put on the wall since it was already retired, it actually was on the wall already. The number was posted within the bullpen. While both bullpens are very open to views from the entire stadium, it was definitely really hard to see the number tribute from the stands. I’m betting most fans never knew it was there.
Anyway, while I was there, they said that they would be moving the number out of the bullpen so people could see it, and having a ceremony since just letting it appear didn’t seem right.
What I want to know is, who had the bright idea to put it in the bullpen in the first place? I know the bullpens, even the inside, can easily be seen from the whole park, but it was still a brain fart to put it there.
#154 by Roger Faso on 04.24.08 2:13 pm |
Huh?
It’s kinda like seeing the San Francisco Dodgers or the Cleveland Steelers.
#155 by ScottyJ in WV on 04.24.08 2:15 pm |
Ronnie Poore said:
I agree, Ronnie. The stripes running around the leg was very cool & distinctive.
#156 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 2:17 pm |
LI Phil said:
‘Twas……just clarifying that in between the Polo Grounds and Giants Stadium they played at Yankee Stadium. And what is up with the Shea Stadium reference on the Gints official site? Am I reading that correctly? Why don’t I have any recollection of that? Why am I asking so many rhetorical questions? I need another Dr. Pepper….
#157 by Duckstyle on 04.24.08 2:18 pm |
This isn’t really uni related, but it’s logo related and I had to pass it on.
#158 by Jets/Mets Fan in Chicagoland on 04.24.08 2:20 pm |
Duckstyle said:
Apparently someone at the design firm had a firm grasp of the situation [giggle/snort]
Back to your regularly scheduled UniWatch
#159 by ScottyJ in WV on 04.24.08 2:20 pm |
Duckstyle said:
That is great!!
#160 by Jim on 04.24.08 2:35 pm |
Jim said:
What design are you talking about? If it\’s the Shield design that was only for 2 seasons (76-77 & 77-78)
#161 by Jim W on 04.24.08 2:41 pm |
Tape said:
Exactly – I commend the choice of Stevie Y – but the black alternate is ridiculous.
Anyway, the new ones are o.k. I guess. My 4 year old son is due for a new one so I’ll have to pick one up!
#162 by Gordon van de Kamp on 04.24.08 2:45 pm |
• While we’re at it, why is Ray King so fat?
I figured it’s because he’s a baseball player, a sport that doesn’t necessarily call for athleticism and being in peak physical condition.
That and he’s a reliever; not exactly the most physically taxing of sporting positions. After becoming an adult and entering the working world, the occupation of relief pitcher has great appeal to myself.
#163 by BurghFan on 04.24.08 2:46 pm |
Is this from Arlington? The collection of fonts and colors is, um, different.
It’s not hard to imagine that the Nationals wanted to have an official Jackie Robinson ceremony in the new park. Since they were on the road last week, last night was the date they arbitrarily chose.
#164 by Duckstyle on 04.24.08 2:48 pm |
Anyone figured yet why the new filter thing keeps throwing in random slashes? Or maybe it’s not so random since they always seem to preceed an apostrophe.
#165 by Bouj on 04.24.08 2:57 pm |
My pet peeve about the 42 Retirement is the lack of uniformity on the actual displays. Yes, I know the Astros have 42 up for Robinson, but why put it in the Astros font (especially since the font has changed since 97 and will probably change again in the next 10 years)? It should be displayed in the Dodgers font, in Dodger Blue, league-wide, unless the team has retired 42 for someone else (i.e. STL).
But it’s not something that burns really burns me up, just an annoyance about it.
#166 by Robert on 04.24.08 3:13 pm |
A Reds’ blogger noted in the blog of today’s game for the second inning that Paul Bako is wearing his socks high, and that he needs to ask Bako whether there is any rhyme or reason to whether his socks are high or low on a given day.
http://www.thelotd.c...
#167 by D. Hall on 04.24.08 3:15 pm |
Is this from Arlington? The collection of fonts and colors is, um, different.
Believe that is from Turner Field in Atlanta.
3 – Murphy
35 – Niekro
44 – Aaron
21 – Spahn
41 – Mathews
#168 by Robert on 04.24.08 3:17 pm |
And in the fifth inning of the same Reds blog, it was noted that the Reds’ first and third base coaches are now wearing all-red helmets at home, instead of those with a black brim.
#169 by Eric on 04.24.08 3:25 pm |
I don’t know if it’s already been answered, but at Nats Park last night (I was at the game) the 42 was previously on the wall over the visitor bullpen and was moved to its new (permanent) location.
They had it smaller on the wall and just moved it to where it is right now.
-Eric
#170 by chance on 04.24.08 3:31 pm |
Roger Faso said:
It’s only strange because we’re used to thinking of Seattle as a major league city.
Naming minor league clubs after their major league affiliate was pretty common back in the day, and isn’t exactly unheard of even now.
#171 by Paul Lukas on 04.24.08 3:34 pm |
Robert said:
That blogger is C. Trent Rosencratz, who was a frequent Uni Watch contributor until he got his own newspaper/radio gig in Cincy. He’s got a good uni eye.
#172 by Teebz on 04.24.08 3:55 pm |
Just so you all know, the wishbone “C” was an Indians logo. I have the throwback ballcap that I wore to the Minneapolis Uni Watch party with that wishbone “C” on it from the 1957 Indians. Paul may remember it, and I know someone commented on it in the comment section of the Uni watch article where Paul talked of the Minny get-together.
While the minor-league logo is correct on the T-shirt, the big club did wear the wishbone “C” for a while. I get more people asking me about the Bears thinking my ballcap is a Chicago Bears cap.
#173 by Adam on 04.24.08 3:58 pm |
Frank Thomas was re-signed by Oakland, and is playing in their game right now. The question is, did he get to wear #35, or does Dana Eveland get to keep it? Both are listed as #35 on the Oakland roster page now. If he did get it, I wonder if he had to give Eveland anything for it. Anybody watching the game?
#174 by Teebz on 04.24.08 3:59 pm |
Jim W said:
Hockey Canada’s colours are white, red, and black, though. That’s where they get the colours from.
#175 by JN on 04.24.08 4:05 pm |
maybe it’s just me and my borderline ocd’ness, but when i looked at the new minnesota uniforms the stripes and everything weren’t the biggest things that bothered me (matter of fact, i actually didn’t mind them in spite of that). what i finally realized was that the number 22 guy on the coach’s right looked off. if they were using a typical varsity font block in serif, than shouldn’t the 2’s look like this or this? if there is another font out there that has only a half-serif’ed 2 than please correct me…
just a thought…
#176 by Adam on 04.24.08 4:05 pm |
From Nick Swisher’s journal. In particular, consider the implications of the last line.
“By now you’ve heard of our DirtyCat hair salon in the clubhouse…It’s where the magic happens in turning dark to light…you know, the blond goatees that y’all love! It’s the DirtyCat – Cat for Bobby Jenks aka Jenksy Cat and Dirty for me the Dirty 30…. Kathy Jacobson, who handles all of my marketing and public relations, called our friends at Pantene and they are sending tons of their products to fully supply the DirtyCat!….I teamed with the good folks at Pantene last May, in Oakland, when I cut my long hair and donated it to Pantene Beautiful Lengths to help woman dealing with hair loss from cancer treatments…and here’s a little insider tip ….we’ve got something—shall we say, colorful… brewing in the DirtyCat for Mother’s Day!”
#177 by Kris Fulton on 04.24.08 4:07 pm |
Kris Fulton said:
I do understand the novelty of alternate jerseys for professional teams, but the simple fact is that alternates have no place in international competition. Canada should never have been competing in a black jersey, and thankfully now they are not.
#178 by Broadway Connie on 04.24.08 4:08 pm |
Jim said:
No-Appeal Ruling on Team Canada Sweaters
I’m sorry. But here is the final ruling of the Confederation High Council on Ice Hockey Aesthetics: The new sweaters would be quite acceptable if the maple leaf insignia on the front were rendered as it is on the national ensign, ie, a solid red (albeit outlined in white for use on the red home sweaters). There is no call whatsoever for the bifurcation of the national symbol into red-and-black sections, particularly when that bifurcation is made dramatic by the depiction of a lamentably lop-sided “hockey player” who in his dreams imagines himself to be the Jerry West of the North. The Council also declares that the optimal revision would be to take the sleeve design (admirably traditional) and use it on the front.
#179 by Teebz on 04.24.08 4:12 pm |
Kris Fulton said:
I’m not saying I approve of the black ones either, but I was just indicating where the black jersey came from. ;o)
#180 by pete on 04.24.08 4:15 pm |
HOWEVER, that Indians cap to the immediate right (blue base, blue brim, red “C”, white bordering) is inaccurate. The actual Indians’ “C” cap in the sixties had a peak to the upper arch, with the lower arch almost being flat. Look at the pics of Rocky Colavito, Tito Francona, Harvey Kuenn. The “C” in this advert IS Cincinnati style, too rounded.
http://shop.mlb.com/...
#181 by War Damn Eagle on 04.24.08 4:18 pm |
The Australian womens national basketball team is still rocking the tight unis:
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#182 by StevieW on 04.24.08 4:32 pm |
For the person who earlier claimed the Cleveland’s were using the Wishbone “C” earlier than the Reds. He didn’t look at the jerseys and any earlier than 1934, the year after Cleveland uses it. I seem to remember this being discussed earlier and between Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, and even Chicago, Cincinnati is the first to use it professionally around 1913.
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#183 by Julio on 04.24.08 4:33 pm |
My New York affiliations:
I grew up, in Brooklyn, a Mets fan (in the late 80’s) because all of my family pulled for them and my father banned me from rooting for the Yankees. It stuck with me for life. I pull for the Giants because LT was the man, nothing to do with Brooklyn. My Father in law came over from Europe in the Joe Willie Namath era, and became a Jets fan, around the same time as the Miracle Mets. I have nothing against the Jets, they are okay, especially since they have a few Buckeyes (I moved to Ohio later on), and I naturally pulled for the Knicks because they are from the city. What a lot of people don’t realize is that Giants Stadium is 3 miles from Manhattan “as the crow flies”…
#184 by StevieW on 04.24.08 4:34 pm |
The 1913 Cincinnati Wishbone C in use on the jersey.
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#185 by chance on 04.24.08 4:42 pm |
StevieW said:
Of course I didn’t look at the jerseys – I specifically mentioned the caps.
The Reds used it in baseball before the Indians (although as you correctly note, they weren’t the first to use it either), but only on their jerseys. They used a different “C” on their caps. The Indians beat them to it as a cap logo.
#186 by Ricko on 04.24.08 4:49 pm |
I wondered about that Indians two-color “C”, too, when I was kind. And you’re correct, the hat for sale isn’t right. But the C wasn’t misshapen on the original, it just looks that on so many baseball cards because it was slightly larger than a typical hat letter, meaning it sat higher on the center seam. Plus, it was a deeper oval shape than Cincinnati’s. If a photographer aimed upward at a player (which was quite common, esp. for baseball card shots), it created the optical illusion that the letter was flat on bottom and arched on top.
Here’s an essentially straight-on shot showing that the letter was, in fact, symetrical.
(At a Twins game in 1961 I walked down to the railing by the Indians dugout during pre-game warmups to check it out for sure).
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#187 by Ricko on 04.24.08 4:51 pm |
oops, when I “was a kid”, that is.
#188 by Jeff W on 04.24.08 5:09 pm |
John S. said:
That’s hilarious!
#189 by RBCaya on 04.24.08 5:12 pm |
How does everyone here dislike those Team Canada black alts? Forget for a second that black isn’t in the Canadian flag (who cares). Consider the entire history of alternate jerseys in hockey.
…are you thinking? Yeah. That’s what I thought.
99% of alt jerseys are pretty much terrible. That black Canadian jersey, with the red, white and gold trim is the creme de la creme in hockey alts.
I can really only think of a few actually nice alts in hockey (not including vintage re-issues or alternates that stuck around long enough to become a main home or away jersey)
*New York Rangers “liberty” jerseys (navy and white versions)
*Chicago Blackhawks black jerseys
*Colorado’s alts were OK, but they pretty much stole the Rangers classic template
*Anaheim’s alts from ‘05-’06 (only listed here because the design was MUCH nicer than the Ducks current garbage unis)
#190 by Jeff W on 04.24.08 5:22 pm |
bettendor said:
Anyone else notice that it looks like Nike has adopted RBK’s curved “edge” hemline on the back of the jersey? Front looks straight though.
#191 by odessasteps magazine on 04.24.08 5:41 pm |
RBCaya said:
I really liked Edmonton’s third sweater, even if it was designed by Todd McFarlene.
#192 by Original Jim on 04.24.08 5:44 pm |
I was just watching an episode of “That ’70s Show” where Eric and Donna are touring colleges. I think this episode takes place in 1978. Donna is touring Marquette University, and posters around the school say “Marquette University, Home of the Golden Eagles”.
Marquette was known as the Warriors until 1994, then then name was changed to the Golden Eagles.
#193 by Ricko on 04.24.08 5:45 pm |
Hey, what happened to my comment regarding the Indians hat of the late 50s, early 60s? It was there for awhile and then just vanished.
#194 by Ricko on 04.24.08 5:46 pm |
sorry. now it’s back. weird.
#195 by Flip on 04.24.08 5:55 pm |
hugh said:
Excellent entry. And as far as great uniform cities go, you can’t get much better than Kansas City. Chiefs’ and Royals’ are so great they haven’t changed since their inception.
#196 by JN on 04.24.08 6:04 pm |
Flip said:
amen. i would also include the wizards, even though mls pretty much does the basic adidas template jersey for each squad. my personal favorite was the long-sleeved white jersey from last year.
on a side note. it’s really sad that all we really have to cheer for in kc (pro) sports are the uni’s (although the royals have potential). it just stinks having to watch it all unfold from ny…
#197 by Patrick on 04.24.08 6:06 pm |
Even though it is, in many ways, a red version of the Maple Leafs, I still wish Team Canada would go with something as simple as this.
#198 by Cory D on 04.24.08 6:36 pm |
RBCaya said:
what about the Bruins third, which i think is pretty sweet, that bear logo is nice.
And also the celtics have TWO alternate jerseys, their first alternate away jersey which is alright, but then also their green and gold jerseys theyve been wearing a lot this season are great i think. I can only find a picture of their st pattys day unis but i think their green and gold ones are different. If i remember correctly they look the same as their normal away jerseys but with gold lettering and numbers, with a white outline. Can anyone find a pic? And are the jerseys im describing different from their st pattys day unis?
#199 by Bryan Redemske on 04.24.08 6:37 pm |
More on Ray King’s ummm … girth:
He was optioned to Triple-A a little bit ago. The Nationals wanted someone who could go longer than one or two hitters.
“We really don’t have a long guy to eat those innings,’’ general manager Jim Bowden said.
So it wasn’t innings that made him fat.
#200 by Ben on 04.24.08 6:44 pm |
Carl G said:
Isn’t Christopher Reeves dead?
#201 by Kevin M. on 04.24.08 6:53 pm |
Looks like there is a new football league the LFL or Lingerie Football League. Looks like there 10 teams and the ones that have a NFL team in the same city, use the a similar font to said NFL team.
#202 by Ben on 04.24.08 7:08 pm |
Flip said:
I’m glad they dropped their experiment with black alternates and trim a few years ago. The Royals have always had great unis. (Especially the powder blue roads)
#203 by Priester on 04.24.08 7:08 pm |
#204 by S. Bennett on 04.24.08 7:19 pm |
The new Canada sweaters are fine. I’m not huge on the red across the shoulders of the white (is that a home or away? the NHL has me screwed up), but I like the fact there’s no black. Now all they need is a two stripe sock and red pants to complete the look.
Has anyone seen how they plan to accessorize the top?
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#205 by Ryan on 04.24.08 7:50 pm |
Anyone know where the Rays and Blue Jays are playing tonight? That doesn’t look like the Trop.
#206 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 8:03 pm |
Ryan said:
why? is it nice?
#207 by TheJonGates on 04.24.08 8:12 pm |
Hey guys! I read this blog a ton and am thinking of joining. I definitely dig Redemske’s Husker posts. Big news for me… and Colts fans… and logo fans. The user submitted logos are up for voting on Colts.com. Honestly I only like numbers 1 and 5, but even those look overdone and childish. What do you guys think?
#208 by Kevin M. on 04.24.08 8:21 pm |
LI Phil said:
They are playing in Orlando. This is the second year they have played the Jays there. Part of Sternburgs idea to get more people following the Rays.
#209 by Ryan on 04.24.08 8:22 pm |
LI Phil said:
Well, it’s outdoors, so that is nice. Looks like a minor league stadium. Tampa Bay is the home team…maybe somewhere near Orlando or something
#210 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 8:24 pm |
Kevin M. said:
the uni change is a sweet start
#211 by Kevin M. on 04.24.08 8:48 pm |
LI Phil said:
While the new unis are growing on me, I am still pissed they got rid of the green unis of the past few years.
#212 by Joe on 04.24.08 8:58 pm |
Kevin M. said:
As long as we’re talking about the Jays and Rays, the Blue Jays manager is wearing a hat with the “J” and the bird but the rest of the team is wearing the hat with a “T” on it.
#213 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 9:25 pm |
FCK AARON HEILMAN
/that is all
//feel free to delete this
#214 by NYMetsGrrl94 on 04.24.08 9:46 pm |
johnny estrada wearing painted on stirrups!
#215 by Bryan on 04.24.08 9:47 pm |
Johnny Estrada is wearing the fake stirrups tonight…at first glance, the SNY crew thought they were the real thing, then Ron Darling said it was “a tired look”
Does this mean Ron Darling “Gets It”TM?
#216 by Greg V. on 04.24.08 9:47 pm |
TheJonGates said:
#2 is the most easily reproducible on merchandise and therefore will probably win.
#217 by Ryan B. on 04.24.08 10:15 pm |
No visual evidence, but Matt Reis, the goalkeeper for New England Revolution, appears to be wearing an old kit from last season tonight against FC Dallas.
MLS changed the shirt name and number font before the start of this season, and Reis is clearly wearing last year’s font.
Anyone got a screen grab? Pic?
#218 by Stuby on 04.24.08 10:18 pm |
The Marlins starting pitcher (Badenhop) was wearing stirrups tonight.
#219 by Jim W on 04.24.08 10:33 pm |
RBCaya said:
The simple fact is that all alts are brutal. It is especially brutal when the concept seeps into international competition. The idea of my beloved Team Canada wearing black is ridiculous – why not stick to white or red? It’s all about $$ – which is expected in the big leagues but should be outlawed when it comes to wearing the colours of your country.
#220 by lemonverbena on 04.24.08 10:34 pm |
this abortion of an Oklahoma City NBA jersey WILL NEVER HAPPEN!! You can’t have our Sonics, and you won’t! Steal someone else’s team you f-ing dustbowl carpetbaggers.
#221 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 10:41 pm |
lemonverbena said:
short for robberbarons?
how soon before the injunctions come down anyway?
#222 by Nate on 04.24.08 10:51 pm |
D. Hall said:
Yep, that’s not arlington. at the RBPA, they have Johnny Oates, Jackie Robinson, and Nolan Ryan’s names and numbers on banners in red lettering with blue background and red pinstripes placed at the bottom of various upper decks I belive.
#223 by Graf Zeppelin on 04.24.08 10:55 pm |
Part of the typical NY-area fans’ Mets/Jets/Islanders or Yankees/Giants/Rangers rubric, in addition to the geography (Queens/Long Island vs. Manhattan/Bronx), is the history. The Yankees, Giants and Rangers all date back to at least the 1920s; the other three were born in the ’60s and ’70s. Part of the whole anti-establishment thing back then would have been to root for the brand-new Mets or Jets while stodgy old folks stuck with the old-school Yankees and Giants.
The teams have been around so long now that younger fans don’t think of it this way, but their parents do (or did).
#224 by Husker E10 on 04.24.08 11:02 pm |
If any one could verify this, it’d be a UniWatcher!
In what must be an unofficial NCAA record, Schmitt broke ten facemasks during his career.
#225 by interlockingtc on 04.24.08 11:04 pm |
Love the Vancouver Maple Leaf. Could some contemporary team please use this design? Please?
#226 by joe on 04.24.08 11:07 pm |
Carl G said:
the only way you get this pissy about fat must mean you are HUGE!
#227 by Thorold Blair on 04.24.08 11:16 pm |
Kevin M. said:
Actually they played Texas there last season for three games. But they’re playing at the Disney Wide W
#228 by Thorold Blair on 04.24.08 11:18 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
Sorry for quoting my own message, but as i was saying, it’s the Disney Wide World of Sports complex in Orlando. It’s the spring home of the Braves. The Rays ar trying to generate more interest in the team in Orlando.
#229 by LI Phil on 04.24.08 11:35 pm |
Graf Zeppelin said:
while that’s mostly true, jay…i’d still say some of it can be traced to our old men (at least in my case)…my dad (as you know) bled dodger blue and nearly died when o’malley jacked them out west…he was never an AL or yankee fan, so the metsies filled that void…he imparted the NL/mets love onto me…now…the mets were around before me (albeit not by much) and i didn’t really get into them till 1972 (and 73 was still magic-cementing my love)
however, your point about the old school teams vs. the newer ones prolly applies to the generation between my dad and myself (and older, obviously) … you’re right that by the 1970’s all the ‘newer’ clubs were already established, so we were free to choose between 2 teams per sport
#230 by Johnny O on 04.24.08 11:35 pm |
The Madison Mallards of the Northwoods League displayed their new uniforms tonight. I wish I had a picture, but I don’t. Hopefully they will be up on their website soon.
Here are what their away jerseys looked like. Here is what their home jersey used to look like.
#231 by Johnny O on 04.24.08 11:42 pm |
Johnny O said:
Never mind.. I just went ahead and rewound my DVR to get a screen grab of the jersey. They didn’t show the whole jersey…just the front. I really like the “M”, but not crazy about the rest of the font.
Madison Mallards 2008
#232 by Colin on 04.25.08 12:08 am |
Bryan Redemske said:
The term you’re looking for is LOOGY — Left-handed One Out GuY. And we’re treading dangerously close to that other great sports obsession, sabermetrics.
#233 by Chuck Ryals on 04.25.08 12:17 am |
this New York allegence topic has always been a source of fascination to me. If I were born in NY, I would root for ALL of the teams! They are all representing the city in which you are from. The same goes for Chicago and LA. What am I missing here?
#234 by LI Phil on 04.25.08 12:28 am |
Chuck Ryals said:
cant speak for the windy city or the city of angels…but in NY…
you simply cannot root for both teams in one sport…not outwardly anyway…you must pick one team and stick with it…that’s just the way it is
larry jones may love NY…including naming his kid shea…but he was DEAD wrong in ‘99…after the braves beat the mets in 6 (F-CK YOU KENNY ROGERS)…he said something to the effect of…”now y’all (mets fans) can go home and put on your yankee gear and root for them to beat us”
…for 99% of us heartbroken mets fans…’99 was hard…we coudn’t root for the hated yanks…and we sure as SHIT couldn’t root for the braves
even then-mayor rudy giuliani pulled a major faux-pas in 2000…when he proclaimed that both NY teams were winners (yeah … we know who YOU were pulling for rudy) and there’d be TWO parades…one for the WS winner and one for the loser
the mets politely declined
#235 by Tony on 04.25.08 3:36 am |
but we all know that Spidey is actually a Mets Fan, which i had a decent camera to take a picture of Peter Parker in a Mets cap. so maybe he was trying to figure away to trick the Green Goblin(or is the Green Meanie) into blowing Yankee Satdium up
#236 by James Craven on 04.25.08 4:31 am |
#237 by James Craven on 04.25.08 4:41 am |
James Craven said:
Yes, the shield ones. The design was so horrid, and so un-Original Six even Islanders fans hated that, am I correct LI Phil? (Not that there’s anything wrong with hating the Rangers in Nassau County, mind you…)
#238 by Mike P on 04.25.08 9:27 am |
Mike P said:
You just can not bro. The foundation was laid a looooooong time ago. You have a whole bunch of teams to pick from, pick one from a sport and take them in as your own. No way can you be accepted as liking both the yanks and mets or giants and jets. You will be smacked or made fun of for hours. People from Jersey or NY will back me up on this
#239 by CubsFanBudMan on 04.25.08 11:18 am |
A few things I didn’t see in the 238 comments above, and probably no one else will see because this thread is old, but…
Isn’t 42 the only number retired by Washington? Didn’t they put all of the Expos numbers back in circulation and now the only place those are on display is at Canadiens games? Sad they can’t find a way to honor Montreal players and D.C. greats together as the St. Louis Rams did with Rams/Cardinals ring of honor. Thought that was worth a mention.
This is getting technical, but the blue in the 42 appears to be Dodgers blue and not Nationals navy. May not be on purpose, but it might be their way of differentiating. Too bad they dropped those other numbers.
And several other people caught the Cardinals being used as an example of both types.