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		<title>By: Natron</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-248592</link>
		<dc:creator>Natron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;248591&quot;]More white Sox news... somewhat interesting, and slightly uni-centric.

According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2078&amp;Itemid=42&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; article, the Sox and Clackhawks are entering a cross-promotion agreement that will involve Jonathan Toews wandering around US Cellular Field in a White Sox &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/Jonathan-Toews-Sox_%20Blackhawks.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hockey jersey&lt;/a&gt;.[/quote]

Make that BLACKhawks... whoops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Natron said:</p>
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More white Sox news&#8230; somewhat interesting, and slightly uni-centric.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2078&amp;Itemid=42" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this</a> article, the Sox and Clackhawks are entering a cross-promotion agreement that will involve Jonathan Toews wandering around US Cellular Field in a White Sox <a href="http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/Jonathan-Toews-Sox_%20Blackhawks.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hockey jersey</a>.</p>
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<p>Make that BLACKhawks&#8230; whoops.</p>
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		<title>By: Natron</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-248591</link>
		<dc:creator>Natron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More white Sox news... somewhat interesting, and slightly uni-centric.

According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2078&amp;Itemid=42&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; article, the Sox and Clackhawks are entering a cross-promotion agreement that will involve Jonathan Toews wandering around US Cellular Field in a White Sox &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/Jonathan-Toews-Sox_%20Blackhawks.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hockey jersey&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More white Sox news&#8230; somewhat interesting, and slightly uni-centric.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2078&amp;Itemid=42" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this</a> article, the Sox and Clackhawks are entering a cross-promotion agreement that will involve Jonathan Toews wandering around US Cellular Field in a White Sox <a href="http://www.bizofbaseball.com/images/Jonathan-Toews-Sox_%20Blackhawks.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hockey jersey</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Teebz</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247994</link>
		<dc:creator>Teebz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;247830&quot;]In terms of Lego, nothing beats the 1:50 Fritz-Walter-Stadion (which you might remember from the USA-Italy 2006 WC game):

http://www.1fck.de/gallery/v/DOCs-BETZEbilder/docsumbaubilder/LEGO-modell/IMG_7657.JPG.html

They actually exhibited this in the Kaiserslautern World Cup office. Sucker weighed literally a ton, using over 450.000 bricks.

Although the Allianz Arena is pretty sweet too, don&#039;t know the back story behind this, looks like Legoland maybe?

http://necromanc.blogspot.com/2006/03/allianz-arena-in-lego-version.html[/quote]

Now that&#039;s realism! Those are awesome! That&#039;s what I expect! :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Bernd Wilms said:</p>
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In terms of Lego, nothing beats the 1:50 Fritz-Walter-Stadion (which you might remember from the USA-Italy 2006 WC game):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.1fck.de/gallery/v/DOCs-BETZEbilder/docsumbaubilder/LEGO-modell/IMG_7657.JPG.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.1fck.de/gallery/v/DOCs-BETZEbilder/docsumbaubilder/LEGO-modell/IMG_7657.JPG.html' target="_blank">http://www.1fck.de/g...</a></p>
<p>They actually exhibited this in the Kaiserslautern World Cup office. Sucker weighed literally a ton, using over 450.000 bricks.</p>
<p>Although the Allianz Arena is pretty sweet too, don&#8217;t know the back story behind this, looks like Legoland maybe?</p>
<p><a href="http://necromanc.blogspot.com/2006/03/allianz-arena-in-lego-version.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://necromanc.blogspot.com/2006/03/allianz-arena-in-lego-version.html' target="_blank">http://necromanc.blo...</a></p>
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<p>Now that&#8217;s realism! Those are awesome! That&#8217;s what I expect! :o)</p>
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		<title>By: slurpeeman</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247957</link>
		<dc:creator>slurpeeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;247709&quot;]Not a chance.  The million-dollar product are the teams, not the league.  Ask 75% of Minor League Baseball fans attending a game and they couldn’t tell you a thing about what LEAGUE their team plays in.  They’ll know tons about the team, the affiliation, some about the opponent, a little about the classification and next to nothing about the league.

Given a choice between a cute cartoon character, cool looking animal or cleverly captured local landmark and a staid league logo representing no one in particular, what do you think they are going to buy?

At the ballpark, whose merchandise is going to be prominently displayed and whose is going to be tucked in a corner?  Minor League offices don’t have merchandise shops.  The real equivalent to MLB is MiLB and their job is to promote the clubs (as they should).  When was the last time you saw an American League t-shirt at the local sports shop?

There would be no good reason to spend exorbitant amounts of money on a NYP logo because it will not be returned.[/quote]

You&#039;re right. It&#039;s a good point. And one I didn&#039;t realize before I went off on a subsequent rants. But I stand behind my original post about design contests being unethical and a classless way to get around paying for the work of a professional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Original Jim said:</p>
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Not a chance.  The million-dollar product are the teams, not the league.  Ask 75% of Minor League Baseball fans attending a game and they couldn’t tell you a thing about what LEAGUE their team plays in.  They’ll know tons about the team, the affiliation, some about the opponent, a little about the classification and next to nothing about the league.</p>
<p>Given a choice between a cute cartoon character, cool looking animal or cleverly captured local landmark and a staid league logo representing no one in particular, what do you think they are going to buy?</p>
<p>At the ballpark, whose merchandise is going to be prominently displayed and whose is going to be tucked in a corner?  Minor League offices don’t have merchandise shops.  The real equivalent to MLB is MiLB and their job is to promote the clubs (as they should).  When was the last time you saw an American League t-shirt at the local sports shop?</p>
<p>There would be no good reason to spend exorbitant amounts of money on a NYP logo because it will not be returned.</p>
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<p>You&#8217;re right. It&#8217;s a good point. And one I didn&#8217;t realize before I went off on a subsequent rants. But I stand behind my original post about design contests being unethical and a classless way to get around paying for the work of a professional.</p>
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		<title>By: John in Ohio</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247835</link>
		<dc:creator>John in Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul (and/or any other Mets fan),

How do you feel about Fark, Digg, 4chan, and others leading the chrage to Rickroll the Mets all season?

See this thread on Fark:

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3512746

Just thought you&#039;d like to know what you have to look forward to this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul (and/or any other Mets fan),</p>
<p>How do you feel about Fark, Digg, 4chan, and others leading the chrage to Rickroll the Mets all season?</p>
<p>See this thread on Fark:</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3512746" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3512746' target="_blank">http://forums.fark.c...</a></p>
<p>Just thought you&#8217;d like to know what you have to look forward to this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernd Wilms</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247830</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernd Wilms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of Lego, nothing beats the 1:50 Fritz-Walter-Stadion (which you might remember from the USA-Italy 2006 WC game):

http://www.1fck.de/gallery/v/DOCs-BETZEbilder/docsumbaubilder/LEGO-modell/IMG_7657.JPG.html

They actually exhibited this in the Kaiserslautern World Cup office. Sucker weighed literally a ton, using over 450.000 bricks.

Although the Allianz Arena is pretty sweet too, don&#039;t know the back story behind this, looks like Legoland maybe?

http://necromanc.blogspot.com/2006/03/allianz-arena-in-lego-version.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of Lego, nothing beats the 1:50 Fritz-Walter-Stadion (which you might remember from the USA-Italy 2006 WC game):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.1fck.de/gallery/v/DOCs-BETZEbilder/docsumbaubilder/LEGO-modell/IMG_7657.JPG.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.1fck.de/gallery/v/DOCs-BETZEbilder/docsumbaubilder/LEGO-modell/IMG_7657.JPG.html' target="_blank">http://www.1fck.de/g...</a></p>
<p>They actually exhibited this in the Kaiserslautern World Cup office. Sucker weighed literally a ton, using over 450.000 bricks.</p>
<p>Although the Allianz Arena is pretty sweet too, don&#8217;t know the back story behind this, looks like Legoland maybe?</p>
<p><a href="http://necromanc.blogspot.com/2006/03/allianz-arena-in-lego-version.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://necromanc.blogspot.com/2006/03/allianz-arena-in-lego-version.html' target="_blank">http://necromanc.blo...</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247826</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The A&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080405/capt.6ee5d3f9025f4b0d8a45dd40b2070c93.indians_athletics_baseball__oas103.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new black alternates&lt;/a&gt; don&#039;t have the 40th Anniversary patch that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/da/fullj.29c1a0cb1bd04db382cb13fba422f00a/29c1a0cb1bd04db382cb13fba422f00a-getty-80323798js009_boston_red_so.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;home whites do&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The A&#8217;s <a href="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080405/capt.6ee5d3f9025f4b0d8a45dd40b2070c93.indians_athletics_baseball__oas103.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">new black alternates</a> don&#8217;t have the 40th Anniversary patch that the <a href="http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/da/fullj.29c1a0cb1bd04db382cb13fba422f00a/29c1a0cb1bd04db382cb13fba422f00a-getty-80323798js009_boston_red_so.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">home whites do</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave from Manhattan</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247824</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave from Manhattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll love this Paul.  Look at these beautiful &lt;a href=&quot;http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture4qp3.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; striped stirrups &lt;/a&gt; being shown off by the Cardinals&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture3ex4.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brian Barton&lt;/a&gt;.

ps.  Kinda new here so I hope the links worked out ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll love this Paul.  Look at these beautiful <a href="http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture4qp3.png" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> striped stirrups </a> being shown off by the Cardinals&#8217; <a href="http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture3ex4.png" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Brian Barton</a>.</p>
<p>ps.  Kinda new here so I hope the links worked out ok.</p>
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		<title>By: lwiedy</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247822</link>
		<dc:creator>lwiedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;247818&quot;]The Portland Trailblazers (Trail Blazers?) logo looks like a stylized 69.  Isn&#039;t that the year they were founded?[/quote]

Find the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Trail_Blazers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blazers logo&lt;/a&gt; from 1970-1991 about halfway down the page.  With that positioning, it would not form a number but is consistant with the wordmark case styling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Patrick said:</p>
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The Portland Trailblazers (Trail Blazers?) logo looks like a stylized 69.  Isn&#8217;t that the year they were founded?</p>
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<p>Find the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Trail_Blazers" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Blazers logo</a> from 1970-1991 about halfway down the page.  With that positioning, it would not form a number but is consistant with the wordmark case styling.</p>
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		<title>By: lwiedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lwiedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;247799&quot;][quote comment=&quot;247770&quot;][quote comment=&quot;247723&quot;]I hope there&#039;s a UWer out there that can help me out here.  I&#039;m buying a Cooperstown Blue Jays home &lt;a href=&quot;http://jaysshop.stores.truition.com/edealinv/servlet/ExecMacro?nurl=control/StoreItem.vm&amp;ctl_nbr=989&amp;siId=1467779&amp;catParentID=1775&amp;scId=1775&amp;catLevel=1&amp;parentCatName=Women&#039;s%20Jerseys&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jersey&lt;/a&gt; and need to know what year the Jays started wearing a Name on Back on their home jerseys.  I&#039;m going to get either &quot;12&quot; or &quot;Whitt 12&quot; and it&#039;s improtant to me that this is historically accurate.  This jersey is listed as 1977-78 but they wore the home jersey like this until switching to the button fronts in 1989.[/quote]

According to Bill Henderson&#039;s excellent MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double-Knit Era, the Blue Jays home unis did not have a NOB from 1977-79.  In 1980, they went to a 1 colour block font NOB which continued through the run of the pullover style jerseys.  In addition, the Jays have never used a nameplate.

Whitt only played 25 games for the Jays during the NNOB years, so for the majority of games he played with the Jays, he would have a NOB.  Hope this helps.[/quote]
Thanks for your help Dave.  That Bill Henderson guide looks very useful.  Can I trouble you with one more question--When (if ever) did the Jays use a NOB on their powder-blue road jerseys?  I know that as late as &#039;85 they had NNOB.[/quote]

Screen grab from the 1980 All-Star Game.  Sorry I can’t tell you when &lt;a href=&quot;http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh189/lwiedy/?action=view&amp;current=DSC02210.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;this&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; started or how long it lasted.  

I will repost this tomorrow as the hour is late and you might not see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">J-P said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Dave A said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">J-P said:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2008/04/04/frame-game-lame/#comment-247723"><p>
I hope there&#8217;s a UWer out there that can help me out here.  I&#8217;m buying a Cooperstown Blue Jays home <a href="http://jaysshop.stores.truition.com/edealinv/servlet/ExecMacro?nurl=control/StoreItem.vm&amp;ctl_nbr=989&amp;siId=1467779&amp;catParentID=1775&amp;scId=1775&amp;catLevel=1&amp;parentCatName=Women's%20Jerseys" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jersey</a> and need to know what year the Jays started wearing a Name on Back on their home jerseys.  I&#8217;m going to get either &#8220;12&#8243; or &#8220;Whitt 12&#8243; and it&#8217;s improtant to me that this is historically accurate.  This jersey is listed as 1977-78 but they wore the home jersey like this until switching to the button fronts in 1989.</p>
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<p>According to Bill Henderson&#8217;s excellent MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double-Knit Era, the Blue Jays home unis did not have a NOB from 1977-79.  In 1980, they went to a 1 colour block font NOB which continued through the run of the pullover style jerseys.  In addition, the Jays have never used a nameplate.</p>
<p>Whitt only played 25 games for the Jays during the NNOB years, so for the majority of games he played with the Jays, he would have a NOB.  Hope this helps.</p>
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<p>Thanks for your help Dave.  That Bill Henderson guide looks very useful.  Can I trouble you with one more question&#8211;When (if ever) did the Jays use a NOB on their powder-blue road jerseys?  I know that as late as &#8216;85 they had NNOB.</p>
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<p>Screen grab from the 1980 All-Star Game.  Sorry I can’t tell you when <a href="http://s256.photobucket.com/albums/hh189/lwiedy/?action=view&amp;current=DSC02210.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><strong>this</strong></a> started or how long it lasted.  </p>
<p>I will repost this tomorrow as the hour is late and you might not see this.</p>
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