New ESPN column today — here’s the link.
Meanwhile: I’ve written several times about uniform prototypes that were produced but never used on the field of play (if you missed my ESPN column on that topic back in August, look here). Now reader Kevin Mericle, who’s apparently a prototype specialist, has contributed a bunch of new photos and information, most of it related to the NFL’s last wave of expansion in 1995.
“During the time of the expansion committee, I made many a call to the expansion finalists to find out more about their logos, colors, etc.,” Kevin explains. Here’s a rundown of what he recently shared with me:
• I’ve previously linked to this Jaguars prototype mock-up (as you may recall, the design was scrapped after Jaguar Motors threatened legal action over the helmet and jersey logos), but I’d never seen photos of the design until Kevin sent me this and this. “There was a small story on SportsCenter the day they were awarded a team franchise and showed off the jerseys/helmet,” he writes. “I specifically remember Keith Obermann saying the jerseys looked like something had licked them. Personally, I was disappointed to see that uniform and jersey scrapped.”
• Here’s one I’ve never seen — an early Carolina Panthers prototype. “That image appeared in SI shortly after the team was awarded a franchise,” says Kevin. “When the Panthers took the field in ’95 wearing black jerseys, I called the team office to find out what happened to the blue unis. Their PR guy told me that when they did some photo shoots of the blue jerseys in sunlight, it caused the dye to turn a brownish color. Not sure if that is true.”
• As you may recall, several other cities were being considered for franchises. One of them was St. Louis (remember, this was before the Rams had left L.A.). I’d previously seen this and this, but Kevin came up with some photos of actual prototypes (and boy does that look like it would’ve been the ugliest team ever).
• As for the proposed Baltimore franchise, I’ve seen this floating around for years, but no photos. Kevin doesn’t have any photos either, but he does have this. “The logo is from a T-shirt, with what I think are more accurate colors, because I was told the colors would be navy, orange and silver,” he explains. “Also, I was told that the pants were going to have either ‘Baltimore’ or ‘Bombers’ written down the sides.”
• “The Memphis Hound Dogs were the only proposed expansion team not to have a logo ready for any unveiling,” says Kevin. “I was told by their PR guy that the colors would have been forest green and copper (much like the CFL’s Memphis Mad Dogs). There’s a logo that has been circulating on the internet for years, but I’m pretty sure that’s not the logo they designed.”
• Here’s a proposed Rams logo from back in 2000. “It’s in the old colors and has a few small differences from the current logo,” says Kevin. “Note that the ram has an ear.”
• Kevin also sent some proposed Bills logos. “This one was actually registered in TESS [Trademark Electronic Search System] and appeared on the shoulder of their current uniforms in a style guide but was never used,” says Kevin. “This one appeared on a gumball helmet sticker sheet that appears to be genuine, not fan-made [I agree. -- PL]. You can see how they swapped it for the current logo here. Not sure how close they came to using it, but I can’t help but think it would be better than what they have now.”
Great stuff — thanks-o-plenty to Kevin for sharing all this material with us.
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Uni Watch News Ticker: Next time someone asks me why Wisconsin is my favorite state, I’m gonna point them toward this (extra round of cheese curds for Greg Riffenburgh). … There’s a really sensational compendium of information on cold-weather football games here, and a dynamite photo gallery here. … Unfortunate report from Thomas Foote, who writes: “I was watching NFL Total Access on the NFL Network this evening, and Mike Pereira, the NFL’s head of officiating, said both crews for the conference championship games would be wearing the black pants.” … Colin Wilcox notes that someone over at Wikipedia must be a Sean Taylor fan. … Major letter-spacing problems for Noel Spencer of Austrialia’s Newcastle Jets (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm). … Not uni-related, but this is pretty funny. … A high school track star was disqualified from a recent event because her Muslim attire was deemed to be in violation of various rules. Vince may be writing more about this — stay tuned. … John Weghorst was poking around on Flickr and found this awesome 1970 Little League shot. … Speaking of Flickr, the Library of Congress has Flickr-ized a bunch of their pics. To see some amazing old stuff, go here and type “baseball” or “football” into the search field. … IUPUI hoops coach Ron Hunter will coach barefoot on January 24th to promote African footwear relief (with thanks to Chris Flinn). … Another ballpark ski jump setup here (with thanks to Chris Sperry). … Great 1934 Cardinals spring training photo here (awesome find by Bruce Menard). … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: Major pants piping inconsistency in this 1992 photo. Lineman Will Wolford, in the background, has red outlined in blue, while the other players have blue outlined in red. … Also from yesterday: West Virginia will supposedly wear these in the Big East tourney. … Tim Bennett reports that Dayton broke out some new baby blue alternates two nights ago. … I’m going to be out and about for most of today, researching a food story. Bryan will be minding the store, so let him know if you have any site-related concerns. Ticker material can still come to me.
#1 by James R on 01.17.08 8:28 am |
Muslim athlete disqualified over uniform
http://news.yahoo.co...
A high school track star has been disqualified from a meet because officials said the custom-made outfit she wears to conform to her Muslim faith violated competition rules.
#2 by Mark on 01.17.08 8:34 am |
The Madden game has some unis I’ve never seen on it…The Rams in solid gold, the Raiders in solid silver. They also have the Bucs in that black jersey they only sell, and the Jaguars in solid teal.
#3 by Cosmo on 01.17.08 8:36 am |
What am I supposed to be seeing on the Wikipedia page? I thought maybe they’d changed the helmet to include at 21 sticker or used a 21 jersey instead of the 00.
#4 by steve on 01.17.08 8:40 am |
Looks like the “Buffaslug” was originally for the football team.
#5 by James R on 01.17.08 8:44 am |
http://devils.nhl.co...
New Jersey High School Hockey Jerseys
#6 by dgc on 01.17.08 8:49 am |
There’s a picture of the pink helmet the Caps use as a badge of dishonor for one of their practice games. Link here
The idea was brought over by Coach Boudreau from the Hershey affliate. Looks like they took a white helmet and covered it in pink tape.
#7 by Ryan Dempsey on 01.17.08 8:53 am |
Cosmo said:
Look at the socks…
#8 by ChrisM70 on 01.17.08 8:55 am |
The photo of the ski jump at San Francisco looks to me that it’s technically NOT a ski jump – it looks like the jump is actually for Snowboarding (probaly some kind of Winter X-Games type thing)
Just a small nit to pick, but still a weird site.
#9 by Cosmo on 01.17.08 8:58 am |
Ryan Dempsey said:
And there it is. Thank you.
#10 by Steve on 01.17.08 8:59 am |
Going back to the Baltimore “Bombers” When the Ravens came to town in the 1996 season, and a couple years hereafter, they wore a different uniform than they do now, They had to change it because they copied the logo from the original artist without paying…I like the new unis better anyway
#11 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 9:02 am |
http://www.sfgate.co...
Insanity! Not much better or understandable than Soldier Field!
#12 by Ryan on 01.17.08 9:03 am |
They sell hats with that buffalo logo on it at a store in Rochester. I thought it was a knock-off before today…weird.
#13 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 9:03 am |
excellent SI pics of the bad weather games…several things struck me, not the least of which was the fact that several home teams were wearing white…the sneaker photos were great, and WTF were those, um slippers that tate was wearing in pic 14???
also, props and kudos to kevin mericle for the prototype pics and info! i LOVED the panther prototype…bring it back and ditch teh black!!!
#14 by Matt Lesser on 01.17.08 9:03 am |
It’s a shame West Virginia is going to they System of Dreck in the Tourney…
#15 by Roger on 01.17.08 9:07 am |
Might want to tell your friends at ESPN.com that they made two mistakes in that Freeze Frames gallery. The Raiders-Steelers photo (Photo No. 6) appears to be from the year before the game the text mentions because the Raiders are in black and the Steelers in white. But the 1975 AFC title game they describe in the gallery was actually played in Pittsburgh, meaning the Steelers would have been in black and the Raiders in white. Therefore, “Here Pittsburgh quarterback Terry Bradshaw passes during the Steelers’ 16-10 win…” is inaccurate.
Also, the gallery’s Photo No. 13 says “the 1988 NFL Championship Game.” Should be “the 1988 NFC Championship Game”. Today, the NFL Championship Game is now known as the Super Bowl.
#16 by Mike on 01.17.08 9:10 am |
I am giving up on my beloved Mountaineers. After the banana fiasco for the football team this year, this switch to the sad SOD is just……disappointing.
#17 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 9:12 am |
i wish to edit my earlier comments…since there were some apparent inaccuracies (thanks roger), i just assumed (never assume, phil) it was a SI gallery, not espn…
#18 by Justin B on 01.17.08 9:16 am |
Matt Lesser said:
Does anyone else think it looks like a dress in this picture?
#19 by Al on 01.17.08 9:17 am |
A comment on 1995 NFL Expansion.
I was at the Rice’s Flea Market near Lahaska, Pennsylvania about a decade and a half ago (I want to say it was about 1993) where a guy was selling overstock baseball caps with generic wordmarks of some of the teams which had not passed muster for expansion. These were a fancy, serifed font which reminds me of the Super Bowl 31 (excuuuuse me, XXXI) logo. These were leather caps with nicknames (not cities) embroidered in. Amongst the ones I remember were “Stallions” and “Bombers.” For some reason, I also remember seeing a “Ravens” cap, too.
#20 by Duckstyle on 01.17.08 9:17 am |
steve said:
Beat me to it. Logo is identical.
#21 by steve on 01.17.08 9:17 am |
Justin B said:
My grandma used to wear gouchos that fit just like those shorts.
#22 by u2horn on 01.17.08 9:17 am |
WVU’s uniforms, circa 2015
#23 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 9:18 am |
why the knicks are 12-26
#24 by Joey Guns on 01.17.08 9:19 am |
James R said:
Thanks for the link. I went to the grand opening of the Rock, and I mentioned the hockey jerseys on here, but I didn’t have my camera with me.
#25 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 9:19 am |
u2horn said:
i thought that was the wiz’ alt
#26 by jo-jo on 01.17.08 9:20 am |
Certainly lots of US Army product placement at this bowl game. If you dig into the pictures, lots of the new helmets were used.
http://www.usarmyall...
#27 by Dwight on 01.17.08 9:20 am |
could someone please post the link to the site w/ corporate logo changes? Thanks.
#28 by Shaftman on 01.17.08 9:21 am |
LI Phil said:
He went that way.
#29 by u2horn on 01.17.08 9:28 am |
Dwight said:
http://www.undercons...
nice opening pic there today :-D
#30 by Rick From Cedar Park, TX on 01.17.08 9:28 am |
Dwight said:
I think this is what you’re looking for.
#31 by Mike Honer on 01.17.08 9:29 am |
Here’s a picture of Oklahoma RB Allen Patrick in his Oklahoma helmet preparing for some All Star Game. I think it looks kinda rad.
Click here for the pic.
#32 by Mike on 01.17.08 9:34 am |
Steve said:
Pictures? Anyone?
#33 by Mark in Shiga on 01.17.08 9:36 am |
What’s with the heinous quadruple-layered numbers on those Jaguars prototypes? Wouldn’t they have been ridiculously heavy if they actually sewed them on to real jerseys, as opposed to the iron-on mockups?
#34 by Justin B on 01.17.08 9:36 am |
Mike said:
Try this.
#35 by DarkAudit on 01.17.08 9:38 am |
I tried to ward them about the system of crap and the black for black’s sake, but because he is Huggins, and therefore the savior of the team, I was promptly shouted down on some WVU fan sites. They don’t get it. They don’t want to get it. Sad.
#36 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 9:42 am |
Hey Coach,
Which basket are we shooting at?
http://us.i1.yimg.co...
#37 by Shaftman on 01.17.08 9:43 am |
Justin B said:
Here’s a live action picture.
#38 by jo-jo on 01.17.08 9:44 am |
Mike Honer said:
Posted yesterday
#39 by jo-jo on 01.17.08 9:46 am |
Justin B said:
Vinnie as part of the Purple and Black attack
http://www.hworth.ne...
#40 by Shaftman on 01.17.08 9:46 am |
Shaftman said:
This gives you a great view of both home and away uni’s for the 1996-1998 seasons.
And now I’m done quoting myself.
#41 by Kek on 01.17.08 9:47 am |
Shaftman said:
Nice cuff links though!!!! Seriously, he sucks so bad.
#42 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 9:48 am |
http://cache.viewima...
The cleats that Ray Lewis is wearing tells me that it’s from 1996, correct?
And look at the size of his pads!
#43 by Dwight on 01.17.08 9:49 am |
Rick From Cedar Park, TX said:
Thanks Rick, that’s it.
#44 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 9:52 am |
This ski jumping nonsense is outrageous!
#45 by Breezy on 01.17.08 9:57 am |
Shaftman said:
Interesting: if you go back up to that picture of Vinnie, it does not match this representation. His pants have no purple stripe and the City of Baltimore logo is offset, off the stripe.
#46 by Shane on 01.17.08 9:59 am |
Oh god, the Buffaslug was originally a football invention?
#47 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 9:59 am |
Baltimore Bombers, St. Louis Stallions,
Memphis Hound Dogs.. it’s a good thing these were all prototypes.
They sound like CFL names for sure. Or WLAF names. Or XFL names!
#48 by Dwight on 01.17.08 9:59 am |
that Balitmore Bombkers http://farm3.static.... logo reminds me of the Houston Dynamo http://en.wikipedia....
#49 by Dwight on 01.17.08 10:00 am |
Dwight said:
Bombkers, Bombers, whatever.
#50 by Neal Kreuter on 01.17.08 10:03 am |
I know the Minnesota Wild also have the jersey display of minnesota high school hockey teams hanging in the xcel center as well as the wcha teams because they tend to host the wcha final five every once in awhile. Unfortunatly i do not have a picture and no longer live in Minnesota anybody help with this?
#51 by Paul Lukas on 01.17.08 10:03 am |
Today’s ESPN column is up.
#52 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 10:03 am |
The cleats that Ray Lewis is wearing tells me that it’s from 1996, correct?
This gives you a great view of both home and away uni’s for the 1996-1998 seasons.
Thanks as always, Shaftman!
#53 by todd krevanchi on 01.17.08 10:06 am |
u2horn said:
that reminded me of a great youtube i got back when it was announced that AG was coming back.
http://youtube.com/w...
#54 by Chance on 01.17.08 10:08 am |
Getting back to NFL prototypes, I have written to the Packers asking if they retained any of the prototypes or design sketches from their planned update in 1994.
No response yet.
#55 by Matt D. on 01.17.08 10:13 am |
Matt Powers said:
All I can think of is the SportsPickle Headline, “Isiah Thomas to Use Mental Retardation Defense in Sexual Harassment Case”
#56 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 10:14 am |
Getting back to NFL prototypes, I have written to the Packers asking if they retained any of the prototypes or design sketches from their planned update in 1994.
No response yet.
Very similar to Colrado State!
I loved the pic of Unitas playing hoops in Paul’s article. It’s interesting how much more visible and in reach the athletes of old were! Imagine going to the local high school for your Saturday morning pick-up game and one of the local pro athletes is shooting around!
#57 by C.N. on 01.17.08 10:21 am |
In regards to the ESPN article:
I may have posted this here before, but Louisiana Tech’s women’s team wore sleeves recently. They no longer do; I think this phenomenon ended roughly seven to 10 years ago.
#58 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 10:23 am |
http://us.i1.yimg.co...
Seriously, if there is one positive uni-thing that I can say about the scarecrow is that he IS extremely well-dressed. Of course, if I made the kind of bank that hes does, I would be going to work in Purple Label every day as well.
I was always impressed with Larry Brown as a dresser as well.
http://cache.viewima...
#59 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 10:27 am |
paul
excellent, excellent page 2 today
just one question…i believe the philadelphia “sphas” was actually an acronym for “South Philadelphia Hebrew Association”…i don’t have time to do the research for that, so i could be wrong…just thought you might want to make the word all CAPS on the article
other than that, great read
/still debating how adidas would ruin sleeves in the pros…picturing syracuse’s nike SOD as a starting point
#60 by Paul Lukas on 01.17.08 10:28 am |
LI Phil said:
Correct. But that doesn’t change the fact that they were still called the Sphas.
#61 by Shaftman on 01.17.08 10:29 am |
Matt Powers said:
Me Too.
#62 by scott on 01.17.08 10:31 am |
How can that be a ski jump? Wouldn’t the jumper end up in the stands? I think it’s some sort of X-games event.
#63 by James Craven on 01.17.08 10:32 am |
DarkAudit said:
First of all, that dark uniform isn’t even close to black. It’s navy blue, but in a darker shade like the Yankees use on their caps. And second, everyone hates the Frocks on Jocks look.
#64 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 10:33 am |
How can that be a ski jump? Wouldn’t the jumper end up in the stands?
I have literally been asking the same question for two days now!!!
#65 by ScottyJ in WV on 01.17.08 10:35 am |
The picture from St. Louis’ 1934 Spring Training raises a few questions.
Why are there so many different uniforms shown?
Who are the Bricklayers? (By the way, that’s a NICE looking uniform!)
Who’s cap is the Cardinal player in the back row wearing, and why is he wearing the 1932 uniform? According to Dressed to the Nines, the Cards didn’t wear any insignia on their caps.
Why (according, again to Dressed to the Nines) are there St. Louis Browns players in the picture? The 3 guys who have “St. Louis” arched on their jerseys appear to play for the Browns.
Finally, who are the 2 guys on the left?
#66 by James Craven on 01.17.08 10:35 am |
Matt Powers said:
For the record, esurance sponsored that event. They promoted that with the chick with pink hair doing the voice over.
#67 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 10:37 am |
Matt Powers said:
and we’ve been telling you the answer for two days…they’re not wearing rocket packs on their backs…gravity works wonders…they land about 1/2 way down on the ramp and stop shortly after the ground is level
#68 by Pat on 01.17.08 10:41 am |
Nice article today at the WWL.
I choose to wear t-shirts under my uniform for basketball but I have certain shirts that I wear while I’m playing basketball because the sleeve length is very important when making that choice.
I would assume the same goes for uniforms with sleeves. Long sleeves, if not made from one of those dry-fit or moisture wicking fabrics can be very restricting. I’m also going to assume that teams back in the early 90’s maybe late 80’s didn’t have such technology so while baggier shirts were becoming the norm they couldn’t go with the sleeves. It affects the follow through on your shot if your shirt sleeves keep sticking to your arms.
But, I would pay good money for one of those old sleeved uniforms.
#69 by Philly Dude on 01.17.08 10:43 am |
A high school track star has been disqualified from a meet because officials said the custom-made outfit she wears to conform to her Muslim faith violated competition rules
Maybe I’m missing something here, but isn’t the whole point of a uniform CONSISTENCY–hence, UNIFORM appearance? She should have to either wear the same track outfit her team mates wear or give up her membership on the team. The NFL doesn’t tolerate “accommodations” with regard to uniforms, so why should a high school?
Listen to Dom Giordano on WHPHT 1210AM…and buy a steak from Joey Vento when you are in Philly.
#70 by Kenny on 01.17.08 10:44 am |
How bout this ebay item:
Black Seminoles mini helmet
Only a mini helmet but still
#71 by Rick From Cedar Park, TX on 01.17.08 10:45 am |
Matt Powers said:
The jump actually happens quite high up. The hill that slopes onto the flat area at ground level is the runout. The skiers would definitely stop before the end of the runout.
#72 by Juan Grande on 01.17.08 10:45 am |
Matt Powers said:
It makes it easier for him to stash a shank under those pads
#73 by Deron on 01.17.08 10:46 am |
Local discussion about the Dayton Flyers baby blue alts.
Also has a photo gallery with a few other good views.
#74 by Perry on 01.17.08 10:46 am |
Roger said:
I noticed that Steelers-Raiders game was fishy not only because of the uni colors, but because none of the spectators are dressed for cold weather — the whole point of the gallery! Hard to see how they could have slipped up on that one.
#75 by Shaftman on 01.17.08 10:46 am |
Philly Dude said:
I agree with you that the uniform should be consistent.
That being said, she wore the same apparel the previous year at the same event and nothing was said to her then, so why would she think something would be different this season?
#76 by PDXclark on 01.17.08 10:49 am |
Justin B said:
2nd. especially if you squint.
#77 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 10:51 am |
Black Seminoles mini helmet
Only a mini helmet but still
http://www.goduke.co...
?
#78 by Rich on 01.17.08 10:51 am |
Shaftman said:
I still like this logo the best, wish they’d use it more.
#79 by CV on 01.17.08 10:51 am |
Thank God Ford/Jaguar saved us from those Jag unis. ugh.
I fully realize I will probably be the only one, but I really like those St. Louis Stallions prototypes.
The Ravens Black/purple/black look was God Awful, but I must admit I kinda like the attacking brid on the sleeve.
#80 by Duckstyle on 01.17.08 10:51 am |
Philly Dude said:
You seriously agree with them disqualifying her for following her religous beliefs? I understand that there are uniform police for a reason. But seriously, it’s for her religion, not because she’s trying to look cool. Not to mention the track/cross country is mostly an individual sport anyway.
#81 by JT on 01.17.08 10:52 am |
I liked some of the pictures in the ESPN Cold Weather gallery, especially #3 of the 1948 Eagles. Nice facemask on #88 on the left.
#82 by Dan from PC on 01.17.08 10:52 am |
Good to see my Providence Friars getting some press time in Paul’s ESPN Column
Figure I’ll take this opportunity to show off perhaps the best jersey in all of college hockey
Old Away Skating Friar
New Home Skating Friar
A thing of beauty
#83 by Roy on 01.17.08 10:57 am |
Mike said:
Try this
Limited information about the switch, but not bad for comparing.
#84 by Chance on 01.17.08 10:59 am |
Philly Dude said:
I was with you right until the end.
#85 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 11:02 am |
Local discussion about the Dayton Flyers baby blue alts.
Also has a photo gallery with a few other good views.
In pictures 5,10, and 13 of the gallery, you can see the Dayton players wearing the new yet to be released Nike Zoom BB2. This is strange because Dayton isn’t one of Nike’s “Elite” schools. What is significant about these shoes, is that these are the flagship shoes that the Nike endorsed athletes in the NBA will be wearing and having customized to match their uniforms. For example here’s what Nash has been wearing and will be wearing in the ASG:
http://niketalk.yuku...
Umass was always a Nike school, back to the Roe, Camby, and Calipari days! Strange to see them in 3 stripes.
On CNBC last night at 10, there was a show all about the inner workings of Nike. I didn’t catch it, I was wondering if anyone did!
#86 by Rick From Cedar Park, TX on 01.17.08 11:02 am |
Perry said:
Not to mention the cheerleader at the bottom center of the photo.
#87 by Joe J. on 01.17.08 11:10 am |
My initial thought of the Rams 2000 prototype logo was that it is an armless goat standing up and looking to the right with a pot belly hanging out.
Maybe why they don’t use it?
#88 by Gill on 01.17.08 11:13 am |
Mike and Mike on ESPN radio are debating if Golic ever wore long sleeves in a game. Golic denies he ever did and challenged fans to find a picture of him in long sleeves. Greenie disagrees. Does anyone know of a picture of Golic in long sleeves?
mikeandmike@espnradio.com
#89 by Marty Met on 01.17.08 11:13 am |
Matt Powers said:
Brown has definately got more style than JoePa
#90 by Jet on 01.17.08 11:14 am |
steve said:
Good catch, I too noticed the resemblance to the (ugly) Sabres logo.
LOOOOOVE those New Jersey high school hockey sweaters!! I want ONE OF EACH!!!!
-Jet
#91 by Marty Met on 01.17.08 11:18 am |
Marty Met said:
or Lou Carnaseca
#92 by Mike on 01.17.08 11:20 am |
The Library of Congress has put a lot of pictures up on flickr.com. A lot baseball pics as wells as some boxing, race car driving and various others from 1910-1915. All in all quite an awesome collection.
Hopefully, this link works…
#93 by Kenny on 01.17.08 11:20 am |
James Craven said:
The pink hair is a wig…she’s a brunette
#94 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 11:27 am |
Marty Met said:
i thought that was chris russo
#95 by Bryan Redemske on 01.17.08 11:28 am |
Philly Dude said:
Yes, you are missing something. Religious beliefs and a precedent have been set with this athlete. Fine. Exactly who does that harm? Nobody. Let her participate. Let her follow her religion. Are your sensibilities so threatened by the full-body suit?
From my dealings with state high school athletic unions and associations, I’ve found they’re some of the most arbitrary and stubborn old-boys’ networks around. Rules, whether they make sense at all, are blindly followed, without exception. This is clearly a special circumstance that needed an individual review.
#96 by Rick From Cedar Park, TX on 01.17.08 11:30 am |
Kenny said:
Yeah, I was quite disappointed when they showed that ‘behinds the scenes’ commercial and revealed that she is actually a brunette. Killed the whole thing for me.
#97 by diz on 01.17.08 11:38 am |
teamcinnamon said:
At least none of them are as bad as “Texans”.
#98 by Kenny on 01.17.08 11:39 am |
Rick From Cedar Park, TX said:
Yeah you and everyone else!
#99 by Kerry P on 01.17.08 11:41 am |
WOW!!!! GREAT topic today Paul…and incredible visuals provided by Kevin! I would be VERY interested in seeing even more prototype unis and logos as much as possible. I really enjoy seeing “what could have been” in the different leagues.
Keep it up!
#100 by TimP on 01.17.08 11:43 am |
Bryan Redemske said:
I agree. When my sister rantrack in OH back in the late 80’s, relay team members had to have all 4 members identical (or have 2 sets of identical ‘twins’). I have seen relay teams DQ’ed for having 1 blue and 3 yellow hair scrunchies. Funny how it was never the home team that got nailed.
#101 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 11:44 am |
JT said:
I caught that too.
#102 by duker on 01.17.08 11:46 am |
Interesting. The St. Louis Stallions logo prototype looks very similar to the logo of the CFL team that Baltimore had. Of course they were originally the Baltimore CFL Colts, then just the Baltimore CFL Team, then finally the Baltimore Stallions.
What interests me is who came up with the design first? The Baltimore Stallions were in existence for the 1994 & 1995 seasons. While the NFL expansion was for the 1995 season. How far in advance are these things designed?
I think it’d be pretty unlikely that they’d both come up with such a similar design indipendently.
#103 by Johnny O on 01.17.08 11:47 am |
On a Brewers chat the other day, a fan wrote in to ask if the old “ball-in-glove” logo would ever be permanent…
“TrueBrwCrw: Mark, are there any plans to bring back the old ball and glove logo as the official logo of the Milwaukee Brewers?
Mark (Brewers owner Mark Attanasio): We all love the old ball and glove logo and that is a big part of why we have incorporated that into our alternative uniform. That said, the players are interested in developing their own tradition and legacy and I think the new “M” better represents that.”
And may I say I am damn proud to be a Wisconsin native and a huge Cheese Head after reading those articles. I saw on the news last night about the guy taping the Packers jersey to his son, but I had not heard about Green Bay stations taking off Seinfeld so Eli couldn’t watch it the night before the game. That is awesome! And not only that, but they are replacing it with Packers stuff. I love Wisconsin, I love Green Bay, GO PACK GO!
#104 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 11:48 am |
Maybe I’m missing something here, but isn’t the whole point of a uniform CONSISTENCY–hence, UNIFORM appearance? She should have to either wear the same track outfit her team mates wear or give up her membership on the team. The NFL doesn’t tolerate “accommodations” with regard to uniforms, so why should a high school?
Yes, you are missing something. Religious beliefs and a precedent have been set with this athlete. Fine. Exactly who does that harm? Nobody. Let her participate. Let her follow her religion. Are your sensibilities so threatened by the full-body suit?
From my dealings with state high school athletic unions and associations, I’ve found they’re some of the most arbitrary and stubborn old-boys’ networks around. Rules, whether they make sense at all, are blindly followed, without exception. This is clearly a special circumstance that needed an individual review.
What this automatically reminds me of is when Chris Jackson or Mahmoud Abdul Rauf, as he was later known as in the NBA, chose to remain seated during the playing of the National anthem.
It’s a different situation of course, but religious beliefs and practices are what is being brought into question.
There are rules in High School sports, as there are in any game or instititution. There must be in order for there to be semblance of order.
On the surface, this instance does seem petty.
However, perhaps an application of allowance or some kind of gesture made by the student-athlete might have eliminated any and all problems except that she has not encountered any resistance of this sort previously! Very interesting! Have there been any other types of these precedents set in recent memory?
#105 by Ian on 01.17.08 11:48 am |
Paul–
Enjoyed the ESPN column today. Especially enjoyed this picture of the sleeved Celtics player. For what it’s worth, that player is former two-sport athlete and star of “The Rifleman”, Chuck Connors. Seeing that pic made my day!
#106 by Deron on 01.17.08 11:54 am |
Bryan Redemske said:
As a long time track coach, I knew the violation as soon as the article mentioned it was her body suit would be that it was not a single solid color. THis rule was put in place in the early 90’s because of the massive logo creep in HS track and field. Nike (surprise) was the worst with two different tights, one having a big block NIKE running down the right leg and another pair with small nike and swoosh logos all over the tights giving an almost polka-dot pattern.
With as long as this rule has been on the books, someone should have mentioned it to her when she was getting her unitard made. I would also imagine that this was not the first time she had been told that she was in violation of the uniform rule. If she was in Ohio she wouldn’t have set foot on the track even once in that uniform unless she made a few modifications. And in the article it sounds as though she was offered those options at some point during the discusion. All she needed to do wa put a solid color longsleeved t-shirt over her bodysuit and put her singlet on over the t-shirt and all would have been fine.
And lets not forget, if she tried to wear that during a basketball game she would have been refused entry into the game as basketball also has a single solid color undergarment rule.
#107 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 11:56 am |
diz said:
Texans isn’t terrible. I kind of like their logo/color scheme.
Which reminds me..
Anybody else a fan of the old WLAF before it became NFL-Europe?
The helmet cams were cutting edge!
I hardly hear it talked about – that and the years when the CFL tried to put teams in the US.
Of course it failed, but I tend to think it would work now.
#108 by E_Ro on 01.17.08 11:58 am |
Dan from PC said:
Providence wears decent sweaters (especially compared to the crap rbk is putting in the AHL and NHL) but I think best in college hockey is quite a stretch. Their yokes need trim like the arm stripes have. Also the back number font is a little modern for a college hockey team.
#109 by ML on 01.17.08 12:00 pm |
Justin B said:
It looks like of those one piece beach rompers made of crepe with an elasticized waist, like my mom used to wear in the 70’s and 80’s.
By the 90’s I forced her to throw them away.
#110 by todd krevanchi on 01.17.08 12:04 pm |
Matt Powers said:
umass hasnt been with adidas for at least 3 years.
#111 by todd krevanchi on 01.17.08 12:04 pm |
Matt Powers said:
umass has been with adidas for at least 3 years.
#112 by todd krevanchi on 01.17.08 12:04 pm |
Matt Powers said:
umass has
been with adidas for at least 3 years.
#113 by joe on 01.17.08 12:05 pm |
Ryan Dempsey said:
I thought it as the recent deleted revision to his number being unofficially retired.
#114 by todd krevanchi on 01.17.08 12:06 pm |
wow! what happened…
should read
umass has been with adidas for at least 3 years.
please erase the others and keep current post 111
#115 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 12:06 pm |
http://www.geocities...
Brother of Cowboys play caller and current belle of the coaching ball, Jason Garrett
http://cache.daylife...
#116 by Stan aka the took on 01.17.08 12:06 pm |
Kek said:
I wouldn’t let Isiah run my local little league team… but I must admit the man has a certain style good style about him sometimes.
#117 by joe on 01.17.08 12:08 pm |
LI Phil said:
How about pic#6, its says its freezing and the cheerleader in the background is in her skirt.
#118 by joe on 01.17.08 12:11 pm |
Mark in Shiga said:
The numbers aren’t that heavy.
#119 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 12:11 pm |
http://www.geocities...
West Virginia Basketball should check out this skating Friar’s ensemble, because come March that’s what they’ll be resembling!
#120 by Dan from PC on 01.17.08 12:13 pm |
E_Ro said:
We may have to agree to disagree, and I am a little biased (Class of ‘07). However, PC’s color scheme makes it unique. I don’t know of any other major D-1 program with Black and Grey as their primary colors, ala the Oakland Raiders. The font is modern, but not ridiculous (i.e. Tennessee Titans).
Here is the PC basketball team sporting the same font against Rutgers
Slide Show
#121 by Seth H on 01.17.08 12:14 pm |
It’s a different situation of course, but religious beliefs and practices are what is being brought into question.
There are rules in High School sports, as there are in any game or instititution. There must be in order for there to be semblance of order.
On the surface, this instance does seem petty.
However, perhaps an application of allowance or some kind of gesture made by the student-athlete might have eliminated any and all problems except that she has not encountered any resistance of this sort previously! Very interesting! Have there been any other types of these precedents set in recent memory?
According to the article I read, this was not a “no unitards allowed” ruling; the officials did try to accommodate her. They seem to have had 3 issues with the unitard:
1) Multicolor
2) Logos
3) Hood
Lets deal with them in order:
1) If all unis have to be solid colors, so should the unitard. It is perfectly legitimate to ask that she conform as closely as possible to what her teammates were wearing. In addition, we all know that many athletic apparel companies will try to put “designs” on unis that are no more than attempts to brand the uniform. For example, three stripes down the side. Or think of skiing where the spider web is used by Spyder. Requiring a one color unitard does not seem so onerous. Which brings us to #2 . . .
2) The girl and her family deny there were any logos. In any event this is an easy one to deal with, and the event officials are absolutely right to refuse to allow a unitard with logos. If no logos are allowed on the regular unis, you should not be able to circumvent the rule by wearing a unitard.
More generally on points 1 and 2, it is perfectly reasonable for the national sanctioning body, and the local officials, to have an absolute bright line test on this stuff. If you let one person/school deviate, you know that you will soon have 100 others trying to make changes and then jumping up and down and complaining if they are not allowed: “But you let her do it!”
3) The hood. This one is tougher. My guess is that the officials believe that this could be used for some kind of competitive advantage through streamlining. I remember a few olympics back that some sprinters wore hoods for this reason. On the other hand, not being able to cover her hair would effectively ban this girl from competing. So some common sense should prevail.
#122 by scott on 01.17.08 12:18 pm |
The jump actually happens quite high up. The hill that slopes onto the flat area at ground level is the runout. The skiers would definitely stop before the end of the runout.
Thanks, I get it now…
#123 by joe on 01.17.08 12:21 pm |
Duckstyle said:
if you want to play, follow the rules, If you want a job, follow the rules. its an easy concept. If she does not want to follow the rules she can just go run n the park on her own.
#124 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 12:21 pm |
How much better of an executive is Michael Jordan than Isiah?
http://flickr.com/ph...
#125 by dm00n [Doug] on 01.17.08 12:24 pm |
This is a thing of beauty.
#126 by spencer on 01.17.08 12:29 pm |
all i can say, is that thank god the bills did not chose those hideous logos, and it pains me to think about how ugly those jerseys would have been.
#127 by Graf Zeppelin on 01.17.08 12:29 pm |
Not sports related, but nonetheless cool.
#128 by Joe H on 01.17.08 12:30 pm |
John Weghorst was poking around on Flickr and found this awesome 1970 Little League shot.
Forget that one…check out my dad’s late 50’s little league team!
#129 by Kek on 01.17.08 12:33 pm |
dm00n [Doug] said:
The helmets look so clean in that picture in relation to the rest of the unis.
#130 by Tod H. on 01.17.08 12:34 pm |
Matt Powers said:
…or how much more patience do we all have for Matt Powers?
Seriously, Matt, what at all does that post have to do with athletic aesthetics?
#131 by Duckstyle on 01.17.08 12:35 pm |
Seth H said:
Exactly, common sense should have prevailed. They should have let her off with some sort of warning about the garment/suit being 2 colors and just let her wear the hood because there’s no good middle ground for that rule. The official comes off sounding like a complete jackass in the situation.
#132 by DonD on 01.17.08 12:37 pm |
Perry said:
They must have hacks working their, they list the Rams – Vikings game as an AFC Divisional game.
#133 by Tod H. on 01.17.08 12:40 pm |
DonD said:
Love the irony in this post!
#134 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 12:55 pm |
Diplomacy and discretion go a long way! Personal E-mail addresses are available when necessary.
#135 by Jay on 01.17.08 12:57 pm |
With regards to the unitard, I don’t see this as too big a deal. I don’t think it is an infringement of her First Amendment rights (which would be her argument) as there were accomodations made. In other words, would another runner, without the religious overtones, be allowed to compete in the same outfit? I don’t believe they would.
I think the issue boils down to the colors of her unitard. Had it been a single color, I’d bet they would have allowed her to run.
All that said, the official looks like a dick.
#136 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 12:58 pm |
No more…squashed…done…move on to uni-topics!
Like I types the other day in the case of Carolina basketball…”No one individual is bigger than the team!”
#137 by Bryan S on 01.17.08 12:58 pm |
Why are they Sean Taylor fans at wikipedia?
#138 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 1:06 pm |
Tod H. said:
tod, what i find infinitely more annoying (and you’re not guilty of this, so this is not a crack at you) are people who see a post and don’t bother to see that it has been answered, ad infinitum…and usually replied to after that…
for example…post 136…has ALREADY been answered
i know not everyone has the time to read through every post, but matt’s just havin a lil fun, and every once in a while he posts a beauty…
/peace yo!
#139 by Robert on 01.17.08 1:09 pm |
dm00n [Doug] said:
Indeed it is. I see that the great Bob Lee was the QB for the Vikes. What year was this photo taken? Aside from the mud, was there any particular significance to this game?
#140 by TOG on 01.17.08 1:13 pm |
One of the basic rules of uniforms is that basketball jerseys don’t have sleeves — well, usually.
Today’s installment of Uni Watch examines the rare phenomenon of sleeved hoops jerseys, which were once not so rare after all. For full details, look here
Great feature on ESPN.
Sleeved basketball jersey by the way would sell a hell of a lot more than a tank top…funny this trend does not get more traction???
#141 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 1:14 pm |
Thank you Phil, but seriously:
No more…squashed…done…move on to uni-topics!
Like I types the other day in the case of Carolina basketball…”No one individual is bigger than the team!”
No soap operas…I can’t stand when boards turn into that!!!!! No more
#142 by Kek on 01.17.08 1:14 pm |
LI Phil said:
What is the green dot on the back of the QBs helmet mean?
#143 by TOG on 01.17.08 1:17 pm |
What’s with the heinous quadruple-layered numbers on those Jaguars prototypes? Wouldn’t they have been ridiculously heavy if they actually sewed them on to real jerseys, as opposed to the iron-on mockups?
SME POWER BRANDING.
#144 by James Craven on 01.17.08 1:20 pm |
Kek said:
As of right now, I will refuse to answer that question. If you don’t know what it means by now, SHUT UP!
#145 by Patrick Eichhold on 01.17.08 1:20 pm |
On today’s ticker:
Major letter-spacing problems for Noel Spencer of Austrialia’s Newcastle Jets (with thanks to Jeremy Brahm).
The official term for letter spacing we use in the graphic design biz is “kerning.”
#146 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 1:22 pm |
LI Phil said:
love ya kek!
#147 by Rick From Cedar Park, TX on 01.17.08 1:23 pm |
James Craven said:
Hey KEK, you forgot the tag.
#148 by Rick From Cedar Park, TX on 01.17.08 1:26 pm |
Rick From Cedar Park, TX said:
#149 by Johnny O on 01.17.08 1:26 pm |
CBS News in Madison, WI is running a special tonight on the Packers Cheerleaders, how they came to be, and why they left. I am not going to be home at 10:00pm CT tonight, nor am I home right now to DVR it.
Any other Uni Watch fans in this area of Wisconsin willing to tape it and maybe get some screen caps? There is sure to be great Uni Watch stuff in this segment.
May I also say that I love local news when the Pack are doing well. 25min of the 30min news is spent on Packers coverage! The other 5min is weather….which they also talk about conditions for the upcoming game.
Also…if people in the area are interested, you can go help shovel Lambeau tonight
#150 by Kek on 01.17.08 1:27 pm |
Rick From Cedar Park, TX said:
Yeah, my bad! I guess I thought with the context of the post I was quoting, the joke would have been obvious!
Plus, I choose the “green-dot” issue because that has been discussed a ton in here.
James Craven, lighten up, it was just a joke!!!!
#151 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 1:45 pm |
Kek said:
kek…it was ;)
i think it just shows to go ya not everybody reads shit
#152 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 1:55 pm |
holy shit!
remember this chick?
(well it was only from monday, so ya should…)
well…apparently…
she’s got a husband
…man i love them packer fans
#153 by Bob on 01.17.08 2:01 pm |
Relation?
#154 by Bob on 01.17.08 2:02 pm |
relation?
holy shit!
remember this chick?
(well it was only from monday, so ya should…)
well…apparently…
she’s got a husband
…man i love them packer fans
#155 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 2:05 pm |
Bob said:
relation? (fixed tags)
lol bob
#156 by Rick on 01.17.08 2:06 pm |
Uniwatch getting a little love from the Baltimore Sun.
#157 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 2:11 pm |
money shot from the oz open
#158 by Duckstyle on 01.17.08 2:12 pm |
Now this is an interesting uni concept, IMO.
#159 by Breezy on 01.17.08 2:27 pm |
LI Phil said:
more importantly, does anyone remember THIS chick…
http://www.withleath...
#160 by Bob on 01.17.08 2:35 pm |
lol bob
Double palindrome like Bob Nen
http://webzoom.freew...
Almost
#161 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 2:57 pm |
Breezy said:
Yeah – her Maxim pics are HEAVILY airbrushed.
The more memorable moment was Reggie Bush getting owned by Sheldon Brown in that game.
#162 by Azul Army on 01.17.08 3:01 pm |
Article about San Diego QB Phillip Rivers and his trash talking. The pic shoes him sporting a red Chargers jersey. I’ve seen plain red “Don’t hit me” jerseys for QB’s, but never ones with full stripeage.Don’t hit the quarterback! Maybe there are other examples out there?
#163 by Billy B. on 01.17.08 3:04 pm |
Wow, you mentioned my high school in the ESPN article. I never knew that we wore sleeves (now we have the Nike World jerseys). I knew Proviso East always wore them, because they beat us twice a year in them. I just wanted to share the joy of my school being on UniWatch.
#164 by Billy B. on 01.17.08 3:05 pm |
For the record, Proviso East wears the Nike stripes on their shoulders, but have sleeves too.
#165 by JeffP on 01.17.08 3:07 pm |
On Mike and Mike in the Morning, Golic and Greenberg discussed cold weather games, and Golic said that he never wore long sleeve shirts under his jersey in his nfl career. And then Greenberg cross-examined him, accusing him of lying and exhibit A was a figurine of Mike Golic in an eagles uniform, with long sleeves. Golic denies he ever wore long sleeves. This sounds like a problem for….UNIWATCH!
#166 by Peter on 01.17.08 3:10 pm |
I hardly hear it talked about – that and the years when the CFL tried to put teams in the US.
Of course it failed, but I tend to think it would work now.
Thankfully the CFL has realized (unlike the NHL) that expansion in Canada is the best place to go. My least favourite American Expansion logo was the Shreveport Pirates. Interestingly, if you want to pick up some expansion related stuff (no unis but flags and other assorted things) the Canadian Football Hall of Fame still sells some odds and ends like ten years later. If you live in the Hamilton area they have a bunch of free stuff in the lobby. I’d love to get my hands on a jersey from that era but it seems they are quite hard to find.
With the big deal being made about dog fighting in the south in the last year or so, I find the Memphis obssession with dog nicknames interesting.
As for the Muslim athlete, with all the gear she has on, it seems like it’d be a lot harder to run, and also a lot hotter (in the heat sense, not the sexual sense).
#167 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 3:13 pm |
teamcinnamon said:
a quote from her: “just to give you a little insight into how my day was going, before the game I was drinking Red Bull and vodka and pouring Pop Rocks into my mouth, letting it foam out.”
/i can’t figure out why that just sounds so wrong (in a good way)
//that is wrong, right?
toe-tally kewl pic from the open
#168 by Mike on 01.17.08 3:14 pm |
The socks Brent Johnson of the Caps wore under his goalie pads were mentioned the other day. The Caps website has a shot of him clearly showing the socks….but you have to go through the flash slideshow (I tried to grab it, really). It’s in the 1-15-08 game.
http://capitals.nhl....
I also noticed Johnson has a red mask and white mask for home and away games….any other goalies have multiple masks like that?
#169 by Rick From Cedar Park, TX on 01.17.08 3:20 pm |
LI Phil said:
Her outfit looks a lot like the one that we were all commenting about yesterday, but, the ’strategic’ zones seem to be covered witha thin fabric.
#170 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 3:24 pm |
Peter said:
I thought the Sacramento Gold Miners
(formerly the Sacramento Surge in the WLAF – cool name, terrible logo/color scheme) was a little more ridiculous as the Pirates.
I also tend to agree with you on the NHL going down the wrong road of expanding into the Sun Belt (teams in Florida, Atlanta, etc.) instead of into Canada where the sport has more of a loyal following, however those were the teams that had been the first to move (Quebec, Winnipeg, even Minnesota).
#171 by Johnny O on 01.17.08 3:27 pm |
Bob said:
It’s awesome we are talking about palindromes! I love those. Here are some of my favorites:
“A Toyota”
“A man, a plan, a canal…Panama”
“Go hang a salami, I’m a lasagna hog”
“Never odd or even”
“Do geese see god”
#172 by Tod H. on 01.17.08 3:40 pm |
JeffP said:
What were you talking about LI Phil?
#173 by Rick on 01.17.08 3:41 pm |
Anyone notice that R.W. McQuarters was wearing what looked like a band-aid under only one eye this past weekend?
|Sarcasm|
#174 by Johnny O on 01.17.08 3:44 pm |
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I just won tickets to the Giants vs. Packers NFC Championship game this Sunday! I entered the contest at Packers.com and my name was picked for free tickets! (Actually my mom’s name was drawn, but she is giving me the tickets since she is not a sports fan)
So if Uni Watch needs a correspondent at the NFC Championship, I am your guy. I will take as many pics as I can from the Frozen Tundra.
#175 by Kelly on 01.17.08 3:45 pm |
Johnny O said:
RISE TO VOTE, SIR.
#176 by Perry on 01.17.08 3:47 pm |
Rick From Cedar Park, TX said:
Well, that could have just been extreme cheerleader professionalism, of which Gregg Easterbrook and the football gods approve.
#177 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 3:52 pm |
Tod H. said:
exactly
#178 by jo-jo on 01.17.08 3:56 pm |
Rick said:
I believe it was a green dot……
#179 by JoeS on 01.17.08 4:00 pm |
Johnny O said:
You lucky son of a bitch! I’m so jealous! Enjoy and Go Pack Go!
#180 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 4:01 pm |
Johnny O said:
Bundle up!
#181 by Steve on 01.17.08 4:01 pm |
Cosmo said:
They have changed the page. Up through this morning, the home white uni featured socks like Sean Taylor used to where from time to time. See link below…
http://i62.photobuck...
#182 by Peter on 01.17.08 4:03 pm |
I also tend to agree with you on the NHL going down the wrong road of expanding into the Sun Belt (teams in Florida, Atlanta, etc.) instead of into Canada where the sport has more of a loyal following, however those were the teams that had been the first to move (Quebec, Winnipeg, even Minnesota).
The thing that pains me most about that loss of the Nordiques is the lack of non-English named sports teams in North American professional sports. We’ve lost the Nordiques and the Expos,but fortunately got the Alouettes (gotta love the sleeve stripes) back. I read a discussion board the other day about MLS expansion into Montreal and whether the Impact name should be kept or if something like Olympique de Montreal would be more appropriate. If the NHL lands back in Winnipeg why not give the team a Cree or Metis name and turn the whole Native-themed nickname controversy around by embracing that cultural heritage. Or how about an Icelandic name that no one can pronounce. I don’t know about you but I love expansion talk cause it means new nicknames and uniforms!
Also if you are looking for a hot bed of uniforms that come and go in a flash, might I suggest the ABA, 49 new teams this year!
#183 by Teebz on 01.17.08 4:04 pm |
teamcinnamon said:
Speaking of the Quebec Nordiques and tying into today’s topic, the Nords were about to change their jerseys before they were sold and moved to Colorado. Their prototype jerseys looked like this. And yes, I’ve actually seen a real one. CCM had begun to make them before production was halted for the new Avalanche jerseys.
#184 by Rick on 01.17.08 4:10 pm |
jo-jo said:
LOL somebody needs to have some fun with photoshop!
#185 by Rick on 01.17.08 4:13 pm |
Steve said:
Wow, i can’t believe they changed! They had 2 sets of stripes this morning!
http://upload.wikime...
#186 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 4:17 pm |
Teebz said:
That’s pretty cool Teebz.. I like it!
#187 by Rick on 01.17.08 4:17 pm |
I’m sure everyone has seen the pictures, but here’s the video of the guy that got the Patriots helmet logo tattooed on his head.
I wonder if he’ll also get a Sean Taylor sticker tattoo????
http://www.youtube.c...
#188 by Tony Miller on 01.17.08 4:19 pm |
Kelly said:
Have there been any cases of palindromic team names (or cities, or states…) on the jersey, as opposed to the player name?
#189 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 4:22 pm |
Teebz said:
one of my ex-GF’s was from the peg (in fact, her uncle, dave richardson, played a few games in the NHL in the 60’s), and i’ve been to some moose games…unfortunately, the reason the jets left winnipeg (and im sure why the ‘diques left too), was simply economics…winnipeggians simply couldn’t support a NHL team (hell, they can barely support the moose), but it’s not for lack of love for the game…damn shame too, but at least they got the bombers and the goldeyes (loved the bomber throwbacks this past season btw), and both the MTS centre and canwest park are tings of beauty, eh?
love to see the NHL try to go back into canuckistan, but i just don’t think many of the smaller cities/markets can support such a move
#190 by Kevin Mericle on 01.17.08 4:22 pm |
Back in the 70s the WFL toyed around with position color pants (blue for lineman, yellow defensive backs, red linebackers, etc). I want to say it was profiled on a NFL halftime show in the 80s (poking fun at the idea). Does anyone happen to have any photos from this disaster?
#191 by joe on 01.17.08 4:36 pm |
teamcinnamon said:
The NHL expanded into the southern US becuase Canada could not support the teams they had in the 90’s. Thats why Winnepeg moved in the first place. The Canadian dollar was like 60% ofthe US dollar. Players were demanding to be paid in US dollars. The revenue coming into those teams was in Canadian dollars. They were economically unfeasable at the time. Canadian expansion at this point would dilute the talent too much. Now relocation of some of the southern US teams to Canada would work.
#192 by nf on 01.17.08 4:51 pm |
James Craven said:
I like the System of Dress. It looks ok, but it’s extremely comfortable to wear.
#193 by JoeS on 01.17.08 4:51 pm |
Peter said:
Expos is English. It is short for Exposition becaues Montreal held the World’s Fair in 1967 which they dubbed Expo67.
#194 by teamcinnamon on 01.17.08 4:53 pm |
joe said:
You’re right. The NHL couldn’t possibly sustain another expansion.
Relocating teams from Atlanta, Nashville, Florida (?) would work in theory, but I don’t know if they’re economically in any kind of shape for this to feasibly occur.
Not to mention, I’m sure that either Hamilton or Kansas City are first on the list for a franchise anyway.
#195 by Mike Engle on 01.17.08 4:56 pm |
JoeS said:
There are always Les Canadiens…
#196 by BPALM on 01.17.08 5:13 pm |
Kelly’s mother, Sarah, and Roosevelt Coach Tony Bowden disputed that account. They said officials made several demands of her daughter before Rogers made his decision.
“First, they said she had to take her hood off,” Sarah Kelly said. “Then, they said she can’t have anything with logos displayed. Then, they said she had to turn it inside out. When I told them that there weren’t any logos on it, they said she had to put a plain white T-shirt on over it.”
This sounds more like discrimination then anything. The above is from Yahoo Sports, the official also says that if she ran with this before they never noticed it with so many other runners around. I am sorry but she is the only one with more then her regular track outfit on how could it be so hard to spot when she was running?
#197 by Johnny O on 01.17.08 5:14 pm |
Rick said:
I heard on the news yesterday he is even getting the green dot on the back of his skull… no joke.
#198 by jo-jo on 01.17.08 5:17 pm |
Johnny O said:
Green dot?
#199 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 5:19 pm |
Mike Engle said:
FTH GLG
but srsly, Les Expos de Montréal is the french, Montreal Expos is the english, and “exposition” is the same en francais and in english (the exposition v. l’exposition)
#200 by joe on 01.17.08 5:25 pm |
teamcinnamon said:
Hamilton- good, KC- not so much.
#201 by Bill Relish on 01.17.08 5:27 pm |
Earning a restraining order from your family makes you an example why Wisconsin is a favorite state? I’m far from a whiny child advocate, but am I the only one who thinks this guy just might be a bonehead? It just tells me that Wisconsin has the same kind of loser fans that reside in the other 49.
#202 by JoeS on 01.17.08 5:29 pm |
LI Phil said:
I don’t know what FTH GLG means. Expos may be the same in French and English, but as it pertains to the conversation above, you really can’t say that it is a “non-English named sports team”.
#203 by ss on 01.17.08 5:30 pm |
Hi all,
In college I took a “History of American Sports” class (this was a class about sports as a social science, not a “jock-class”, although it was blast anyway), and I remember “Sphas” standing for “South Philadelphia Hebrew All-Stars”. If you internet search that phrase there are numerous refernces to it, although that doesn’t necessarily make it correct (hopefully this wasn’t mentioned already, I checked to see but I may have missed it).
#204 by James Craven on 01.17.08 5:31 pm |
Kek said:
What’s the matter there, you can’t tell I was being sardonic in that post?
#205 by Graf Zeppelin on 01.17.08 5:31 pm |
Kevin Mericle said:
I saw this on TV once; an NFL Films piece on ESPN classic. They not only had different colors, they had different patterns. Some of them bordered on psychedelic. There is very little existing footage of this, and probably very few photos, as it wasn’t done in more than one or two games.
#206 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 5:37 pm |
LI Phil said:
it was in reference to “les canadiens” (from the post quoted)
it’s canuck slang (ask a leaf fan)
#207 by Refdude on 01.17.08 5:37 pm |
Neal Kreuter said:
Ottawa has a similar display at Scotiabank Place. Around the entire lower level, they have a jersey of every minor, junior, HS and girls team in eastern Ontario.
#208 by Johnny O on 01.17.08 5:43 pm |
jo-jo said:
If you are serious, it’s the green dot that designate a radio in the helmet that he is getting tattooed in between the “1″ and the “2″ on the back of his head.
#209 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 5:46 pm |
Johnny O said:
radio in helmet?
#210 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 5:52 pm |
speaking of les expos…RIP john mchale
#211 by Matt Powers on 01.17.08 5:54 pm |
“What is the green dot on the back of the QBs helmet mean?”
“As of right now, I will refuse to answer that question. If you don’t know what it means by now, SHUT UP!”
“I guess I thought with the context of the post I was quoting, the joke would have been obvious!
“Plus, I choose the ‘green-dot’ issue because that has been discussed a ton in here.”
What’s the matter there, you can’t tell I was being sardonic in that post?
Don’t sweat it James. It all started when I was reprimanded for the second time for having some fun interspersed with in depth, well articulated comments.
By the way Bob=Matt Powers. I assumed a pseudonym as to not get scolded again.
But much like the Buccaneers of the 80’s I am reinventing myself as MPowers1634.
This will remain for my days on Uni-watch, which will hopefully be many and fruitful. I will not use my former name as an alternate nor a retro nights throwback. Much like Ramses did to that guy who likes guns, the name will be stricken from this day hence.
Seriously, I have too many passwords and screennames…I’m trying to consolidate!
And as asuggestion to everyone one more time…If you have an issue with someone on the board…either do it privately or bypass their posts, which would be foolish!
Peace to everyone, especially Tod H. although you really pissed me off again!
Don’t sweat it though. This board is fun, educational, and entertaining.
Plus never forget rule #6. Don’t ever take oneself too seriously!
#212 by Mike Engle on 01.17.08 6:02 pm |
Johnny O said:
Can’t Helmet Hut give this guy a hook-up and call it a day? I want to think his helmet head is flawed already. #1: the rear helmet numerals on his head are incorrectly in the Patriots jersey typeface, and #2: they are too close together. Brady uses a non-Revolution Riddell with the stripe down the middle.
Would he seriously dye the top of his head metallic silver?
#213 by felix on 01.17.08 6:14 pm |
Mike said:
Ed Belfour did when he played for the Leafs.
#214 by felix on 01.17.08 6:20 pm |
LI Phil said:
Hahaha. Well, “Le bleu, blanc et rouge” are also known as the “Habs”; short for Habitants. So, FTH should be pretty self-explanatory at this point.
Go Leafs Go!
#215 by who cares on 01.17.08 6:27 pm |
In a November four nation tune-up for CAN 2008, the Black Stars wore some new socks. At camp in Dubai they’ve gone back to Puma’s World Cup 2006 style.
When I was looking at pictures I also found this interesting Beninois jersey. Check out the flag on the bib and in the front stripe.
#216 by MPowers1634 on 01.17.08 6:39 pm |
NHL relocation due to economic and a myriad of problems that have plagued the league has affected a handful of teams, while I’ve paid not- too-close attention. Hockey fans help:
Nordiques moved to Colorado
Whalers became the Hurricane?
Were the Lightning elsewhere or were they an expansion team?
North Stars became the Wild?
Phoenix Coyotes?
Thanks
#217 by felix on 01.17.08 6:44 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
The Coyotes are the former Winnipeg Jets.
North Stars moved to Dallas and became the Stars.
Wild were an expansion team granted to Minnesota.
Tampa Bay and Ottawa joined as expansion franchises in 1992.
You are correct about the Nordiques and the Whalers, though.
#218 by MPowers1634 on 01.17.08 6:45 pm |
From Saturday’s open thread:
This guy: http://a.abcnews.com...
should wear these socks:
http://www.ghanafa.o...
with these shoes:
http://farm3.static....
He’d be very well coordinated!
Who cares…those are great pics…I wish I was more into international football!
#219 by MPowers1634 on 01.17.08 6:48 pm |
NHL relocation due to economic and a myriad of problems that have plagued the league has affected a handful of teams, while I’ve paid not- too-close attention. Hockey fans help:
Nordiques moved to Colorado
Whalers became the Hurricane?
Were the Lightning elsewhere or were they an expansion team?
North Stars became the Wild?
Phoenix Coyotes?
Thanks
The Coyotes are the former Winnipeg Jets.
North Stars moved to Dallas and became the Stars.
Wild were an expansion team granted to Minnesota.
Tampa Bay and Ottawa joined as expansion franchises in 1992.
You are correct about the Nordiques and the Whalers, though.
Thanks, Felix!
I absolutely love the Whalers logo complete with the negatively spaced H.
http://sjsharkie.dag...
#220 by Perry on 01.17.08 6:53 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
The Wild are an expansion team, as are the Lightning. The Minnesota North Stars moved to Dallas and are the Stars. The Coyotes are the former Winnepeg Jets. Yes, the Nordiques became the Avalanche, and the Whalers the Hurricane.
#221 by felix on 01.17.08 7:07 pm |
MPowers1634 said:
No problem, glad I could help. I liked their last set of uni’s, too.
#222 by steveWVU on 01.17.08 7:29 pm |
Watching the WVU St. Johns game…..from a distance the St. Johns unis look like they read SJohns….the “t” is built into the top of the J…that and Gold vs. Orange games give me a headache
#223 by Ricardo on 01.17.08 8:50 pm |
That potential St. Louis purple disaster debacle unforgivably hideous prototype THING is going to be in my nightmares for weeks.
#224 by Nick Hanson on 01.17.08 9:05 pm |
Check out Sidney Crosby’s second period jersey from the Winter Classic. Currently bidding is at $30,000 as I type this. Amazing.
http://auction.nhl.c...
#225 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 9:21 pm |
Nick Hanson said:
$45K @ 9:20 EST
#226 by James Craven on 01.17.08 9:21 pm |
Williamsport Crosscutters have new logo and unis. Rusty Ripcutter retired as mascot, and has been replaced bu a cross of the Brawny guy and Pierre of the Yukon Lumberjacks. New unis white with red sleeves, road unis gray also with red sleeves. The word “CUTTERS” will be on the front in a ripsaw lettering. The work is by Plan B Branding, and everything else will be released soon.
#227 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 9:31 pm |
James Craven said:
cutters?
#228 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 9:37 pm |
felix said:
you’re not this felix are ya?
#229 by =bg= on 01.17.08 9:43 pm |
Australian Open:
The Bad:
http://sports.yahoo....
And just so you know it’s not ALL ugly at the Open:
http://sports.yahoo....
#230 by =bg= on 01.17.08 9:50 pm |
More Open weirdness: Besides the ugly shirt on the L, is that guy huge, or what?
http://sports.yahoo....
All-red in tennis? NO.
http://sports.yahoo....
and more NO.
http://sports.yahoo....
#231 by Peter on 01.17.08 9:53 pm |
I would say that Expos is as much French as English, and since it’s Montreal that is perfectly fitting. It is still more French than any other team name in baseball, since it can go both ways. Of course if you were to put up a sign in Montreal for the team it would have to say l’expos de Montreal in big letters, and then Montreal Expos half the size, thanks to language laws! But I guess since a lot of people call the Habs the Canadians around the NHL the only true french named team anymore is the Alouettes, who are called the Als for short but never anything else.
Also you do not want to put an NHL team in Hamilton, it’d never last, Winnipeg is a more viable market with fewer people, and with our dollar at par now woohoo! I, personally would consider Saskatchewan, which has a real Green Bay sort of mentality to it about sports teams. They love the Roughriders there with a passion that is almost unmatched so a hockey team might be able to tap into that despite the smaller population centres.
With all this talk about going back to Canada with hockey I’ve been thinking about how much we’ve lost with the professionlization of sports. I can’t even imagine (being young) what it was like when every town had a team, or even two teams vying to be the best at something. For one the uniforms must’ve been great with so many different teams, and the connection you could have with the players and team would go beyond what we have today.
#232 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 10:15 pm |
LI Phil said:
having been there within the last year (seein the moose)…i’d say they could barely support a NHL franchise…winnipeggians HATED to see the jets go, but were totally resigned to it, unfortunately…
while the new MTS centre is schweet, and it does seat 15K for puck…i don’t think they could consistently get enough of a draw with nhl tix prices
would it be worth a try? i sure hope so…
would it work…who knows
#233 by MJE on 01.17.08 11:06 pm |
Kenny said:
To me that looks like James Madison HS Warhawks (Vienna, VA). But why not celebrate a thrilling victory over Duke with a special helmet. Please…
#234 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 11:11 pm |
Rick From Cedar Park, TX said:
i don’t know how i missed that, but i was actually referring to the other cleavage
#235 by stannate on 01.17.08 11:15 pm |
I prefer the uniform prototypes of the Stallions over the proposed logo. The colors are similar to the Vikings, but to my eye, the purple is more on the red side for the Stallions, as opposed to a slightly bluish tinge with the Vikings. The gold works very well with the purple, and is a far cry from the other mock-ups I’ve seen, as the yellow looks closer to chartreuse. Had THAT scheme been selected, the Stallions would have had the ugliest uniforms in the NFL, and would have given some teams in the USFL and WLAF a run for their money. Of course, nothing ever will beat the Orlando Thunder for eye-searing uniforms…
Had the Stallions made it into the NFL, they would have been slotted into the AFC Central, and most likely now aligned in the AFC South. I don’t know if they’d have anywhere near the success of the Jaguars, but one thing is certain: the NFL’s history would have been completely different. The Rams may have taken up the Coliseum after the Raiders returned to Oakland, or they could have moved to one of the losing cities (Jacksonville Rams? Memphis Rams?). Kurt Warner would not have become a hero in Saint Louis. There would not have been a St. Louis-Tennessee matchup in Super Bowl XXXIV. And so on.
#236 by Drew on 01.17.08 11:19 pm |
Concerning the Panthers original uniform design, not familiar with Kevin’s account (and certainly I’m not dudisputing it), but I distinctly remember the NFL had some kind of problem with the black pants (which were to be worn with home blues AND road whites). Needlesstosay, we haven’t seen the Cats in black pants as yet.
#237 by MPowers1634 on 01.17.08 11:26 pm |
After reading Paul’s column today, I decided to do a little investigative researching. I received a tip that a local Men’s league team was trying to revive the sleeved look for basketball.
So on a night not fit for man nor beast I ventured out.
I encountered the Pearl River Hibernian House all stars who in fact were wearing mesh reversible sleeved jerseys.
Notice the Nike Air Ultraflights on #5, tre chic! When asked about their choice of jersey, one Pat Mowers replied, “when we wore tanks, everyone would wear tees underneath anyway, and we’d look like crap. So we gave in to the inevitable!”
One player decided against the jersey and chose to go numberless in protest, which resulted in a technical foul!
Oh and check out the hidden message that was found on #5’s shorts! That warrants another technical foul in my book!
#238 by stannate on 01.17.08 11:26 pm |
Hockey moves> I really don’t think Kansas City will do well with an NHL team, and this isn’t due to the old Scouts leaving in the mid-70s. The region has not supported minor-league teams; witness the short stay of teams in the IHL, AHL, UHL and CHL in both KC and Omaha. Basketball would be a better tenant in the Sprint Center, IMO.
#239 by MPowers1634 on 01.17.08 11:33 pm |
Sorry guys, still learning to link with Flickr.
Man nor beast:
http://flickr.com/ph...
Mesh sleeved jerseys:
http://flickr.com/ph...
Inevitable:
http://flickr.com/ph...
Technical Foul:
http://flickr.com/ph...
Dicks:
http://flickr.com/ph...
If anyone wants to yell at me for that, go for it!
#240 by LI Phil on 01.17.08 11:35 pm |
LI Phil said:
nice kicks
do you get big air?
#241 by MPowers1634 on 01.17.08 11:39 pm |
Notice the Nike Air Ultraflights on #5, tre chic!
nice kicks
do you get big air?
I neglected to ask Mr. Mowers, however the sleeves did hamper his shooting style limiting him to a paltry 8 points.
And as a man of your inquisitive nature and strict adherance to decorum, I though Mr. Mowers shorts would be more of an interest to you, Phil!
#242 by James Craven on 01.18.08 12:32 am |
Here’s the Crosscutters home page. Click on the linkage for the new uniforms.
#243 by Teebz on 01.18.08 1:46 am |
Winnipeg is not an NHL city. Quebec City is not an NHL city. The six cities that have NHL teams in them currently in Canada are the only markets big enough to support an NHL franchise. Neither city has supported any of the franchises that have been there before, so they don’t deserve an NHL team.
Winnipeg had the Jets (NHL) and the Winnipeg Warriors (WHL). Both moved because neither got support. They have the AHL’s Moose right now, and they are fairly successful, but they certainly don’t receive anything close to the support the Jets did. That’s the number one reason that Winnipeg should never receive an NHL franchise again. Until they can fill the MTS Centre for Moose games night in and night out, they don’t deserve a sniff of NHL hockey.
Quebec is the same way. They have the Remparts (QMJHL) who are decently successful, but that success was a result of Patrick Roy’s involvement with the team. They had the Citadelles (AHL) and the Nordiques (NHL), and supported neither of those teams except in the final years of the Nordiques’ existence. Again, they don’t deserve an NHL franchise.
The reason the NHL would never succeed in a place like Saskatchewan is two-fold. First of all, they don’t have enough people to make an 82-game schedule work. They barely support the WHL’s Regina Pats and Saskatoon Blades. They would never be able to support and sustain an NHL franchise.
Secondly, being passionate about football in Saskatchewan is easy. The games are primarily played on the weekends when people have time to drive in from all the surrounding towns and cities to see the game. They are the only professional sports franchise in the province, so they sort of have a monopoly over the fans there. NHL games are all over the map in terms of scheduling, so it would tough to draw fans from the surrounding communities.
The Roughriders are like the Green Bay Packers of the CFL – community-owned and loved, and they are the only team in town. Moving an NHL franchise to either of those cities would be financial suicide for the owners of the NHL team.
#244 by rpt319 on 01.18.08 3:31 am |
Teebz said:
I think the NHL would work for a few years at least in Saskatoon. Like any new team, there would be the excitement over gaining a franchise, so people would rush out and buy season tickets etc. It would be after the “new team smell” was gone that would be the test for the franchise.
Saskatoon almost had an NHL team in 1983 though. Bill Hunter purchased the St. Louis Blues with the intention of moving the team to Saskatoon. He had deposits down on 18,000 season tickets for the franchise (including the two my parents had). The NHL however blocked the move and forced him to sell the team to investors in St. Louis. Due to this franchise instability, the Blues sat out the 1983 NHL Entry Draft.
As a result of this attempted move, Saskatchewan Place (now known as Credit Union Centre) was built. It is easily expandable to 18,000 seats as it was modeled on Rexall Place in Edmonton (which Bill Hunter had a hand in getting built).
All that aside, I don’t think the NHL would want a team in Saskatoon, as it wouldn’t help its lagging tv ratings in the US. Especially, if it were an Ottawa-Saskatoon Stanley Cup Final or something along those lines. However, I do see Saskatoon as a viable AHL market and fully expect to see a team here in 2010. 2010 is the year that the Blades stranglehold on CUC expires. Thus, allowing a competing hockey team in the arena.
Anyway, to bring this discussion back around, since I am too young to remember the Blues moving to Saskatoon, does anyone know if any uniforms or logos were released with a Saskatoon logo? I assume the plan was to keep the uniforms as is with Saskatoon (or Saskatchewan) replacing St. Louis on the winged note, but I have never seen any mock-ups with that.
Also, since today’s blog is about expansion mock-ups, were there any prospective logos/names for the last couple rounds of NHL expansion? I seem to recall Hamilton and Saskatoon both had proposals in for the Ducks/Lightning round in ‘93.
#245 by Rick on 01.18.08 9:07 am |
James Craven said:
It’s Rusty Roughcut
#246 by Teebz on 01.18.08 9:52 am |
rpt319 said:
WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The province of Saskatchewan has just over a million people. There are cities in the US with more people than the entire province.
Support the Blades and be thankful you have them. It’s the highest form of hockey Saskatoon will ever see, despite its rich hockey heritage.
#247 by Teebz on 01.18.08 9:52 am |
rpt319 said:
WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The province of Saskatchewan has just over a million people. There are cities in the US with more people that the entire province.
Support the Blades and be thankful you have them. It’s the highest form of hockey Saskatoon will ever see, despite its rich hockey heritage.
#248 by Dude on 01.18.08 3:50 pm |
Obviously, you don’t spend much time around Wisconsinites if it’s your favorite state.
#249 by rpt319 on 01.19.08 4:14 am |
Teebz said:
I am quite certain the dormant Edmonton Road Runners AHL franchise is destined for Saskatoon. Before the WHL’s Oil Kings were created, the Oilers attempted to trade the Road Runners for the Blades with Jack Brodsky. He refused. However, the Blades exclusivity on CUC expires in 2010, allowing for competing hockey teams to negotiate leases with the city. I am quite certain the Road Runners will be lining up to place a team at CUC.
Though, this brings up the debate of whether or not the AHL is a higher level of hockey than the WHL. I have heard both sides of the argument and am unsure as I’ve never seen an AHL live.