Got a note the other day from reader Mike Engle, who tipped me wise to an eBay item that, if legit, would definitely add a new chapter to the MLB database (or at least to my database — maybe everyone else knows about this already).
As you can see in the eBay listing, what we have here is supposedly a game-used Tim Wallach jersey with an “Expos” nameplate. According to the seller, “What is very unique about the jersey is [that] the Expos nameplate on the back is covering the name Fuentes, so instead of giving the rookies a new jersey, they just covered up the name with Expos.” Although he didn’t spell it out fully, what he appears to be saying is that this was done for September call-ups.
I’d never heard of this practice before, and I was rather skeptical, especially since there are tons of bogus “game-worn” jerseys floating around out there. So I checked with Bill Henderson, author of the awesome MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double Knit Era (which everyone reading this really ought to own), to see if he had any insights. His response:
I’ve seen jerseys like this before, like this one. I don’t have a for-sure explanation, but someone once told me that when NOB jerseys were sent to the minors where they didn’t use NOB, this was used as an alternative to either pulling the nameplate off the back (lots of work) or covering it with a blank nameplate.
Hmmmm, interesting. The minor league explanation would only make sense if the farm team had the same name as the big league club. And as it turns out, yes, Montreal’s Rookie League and low-A affiliates were indeed called the Expos back then, so it’s possible that this was a repurposed minor league jersey. But the idea of Wallach having worn the jersey in an MLB is much sexier. In lieu of any hard proof either way, let’s look at some evidence on each side of the question, beginning with factors that argue in favor of this having been an MLB jersey:
• Tim Wallach did indeed have a cup of coffee with the Expos toward the end of the 1980 season, appearing in five games.
• Although Wallach wore No. 29 for the rest of his career, he wore 58 during that brief 1980 stint with the ’Spos.
• The raglan sleeves match the Expos’ jersey style from 1980. So does the tagging.
• The eBay seller has 100% positive feedback, based on over 2000 transactions.
On the other hand:
• The Expos’ NOBs were radially arched back in 1980. So even if they did use “Expos” as a cover-up nameplate, it seems odd that the lettering would be vertically arched.
• Although you can see the name “Fuentes” underneath the team nameplate, the Expos didn’t have anyone on their roster named Fuentes in 1980 (or for the two seasons immediately before and after).
• I’m still having a hard time accepting that any MLB team would have done this.
If anyone knows more about this, I’m all ears.
Uni Watch Injury Report: Thanks to everyone who sent me kind wishes regarding yesterday’s waterboarding oral surgery. I was pretty worried when I got to the doctor’s office and found him wearing — I shit you not — a purple-striped dress shirt. Fortunately, he changed to green scrubs a few minutes after that.
Anyway: I’m told that the procedure was a success (or at least that’s the preliminary assessment — I have to go back for a follow-up visit next week), and the post-op discomfort has been pretty manageable so far. Basically, my mouth feels like it’s in a sling, but not in a cast. In sports parlance, I’d say my status is “day-to-day.”
Worst part, at least for now, is that I can only eat oatmeal, pudding, yogurt, and similar squishibles. (Note to intern Nina Dubin: If you’ve got a few minutes, please head over here to Uni Watch HQ, and on the way pick up some steaks, chops, and a blender. Thanks.)
Uni Watch News Ticker: Shame on me for not remembering that the person shown in this photo (from yesterday’s Boston party report) was none other than Mario Fontana, aka the guy responsible for the great Little Fenway report about six weeks back. Sorry for the brain-lock, Mario. … Friendly reminder: Today and tomorrow are the last days for getting the 15% discount at Victory Pennants. Just enter the code “uniwatch001″ at checkout. … The Texans will be wearing solid red tonight, which promises to be a design debacle for the ages. … Yesterday’s link to the Yankees design error in MLB 08 for Playstation 3 didn’t work, so here it is again. … Throwback jerseys are big holiday sellers in Pittsburgh (with thanks to Tom Konecny). … Bill Guerin’s four-stripe shoulder patch, representing the Isles’ four Stanley Cup championships, has been missing lately. Details here (with thanks to Peter Sowinski). … The Astros acquired pitcher Ryan Houston today. As several readers have pointed out, he will become the only current MLBer to wear his surname on the front and back of his jersey (at least when the ’Stros are on the road). Last player I can recall doing this was Curtis Pride, who played with the triple-A Nashua Pride a few years back. … Jere Smith has put together a great blog entry about the Massachusetts bicentennial patch the Red Sox wore in the mid-’70s. Check it out here. … The Brewers designated Matt Wise for assignment on Wednesday. But as this page explains, “Wise’s fate became obvious on Monday, when the Brewers introduced Gagne at Miller Park in a No. 38 jersey that still technically belonged to Wise” (excellent find by Dan Cichalski). … Cork Gaines has spotted Rays skipper Joe Moaddon (whose continued employment remains a deep mystery, but that’s another matter) wearing what appears to an alternate cap. Upon close inspection of the brim, this looks like a BP or fashion cap to me, but we’ll see. … File this one right next to the titanium necklace stories (along with the Tooth Fairy, the Great Pumpkin, etc.). … Did you know that there’s a number-retirement controversy lurking in Red Wings history? I didn’t, until Steve Moeller forwarded me this excellent story. Highly recommended reading. … Four NHL players are secretly wearing those heated skate blades that we first discussed back in October. Behind-the-scenes factoid: Over the past month or so, I’ve arranged on two occasions to test-drive the blades myself for an ESPN video shoot, but in each case the manufacturer has fucked up at the last minute, forcing us to cancel. Hope their product is better than their publicity department.
Tomorrow: A bunch of new Uni Watch raffle items, just in time for Christmas.
#1 by The Pod on 12.13.07 9:32 am |
Here’s a compilation of MLB Players adjusting their uniforms …
Okay, they’re just all really just grabbing their crotch
#2 by Gazzoo on 12.13.07 9:33 am |
The Fuentes on the Expos in that era was probably only with them in spring training…hence the number 58.
#3 by Mike on 12.13.07 9:35 am |
That post late last night that mentioned the Lingerie bowl field being visible on the Google Earth image was really cool. I love finding things on there that let you date it…for instance, the Rose Bowl having USC and Texas endzones or Seahawks Stadium obviously holding the Apple Cup.
#4 by Tim on 12.13.07 9:46 am |
It was posted either early this week or last about Man United wearing a different Kit for the Manchester Derby.
Man City are to wear a special kit in the Manchester derby on February 9, three days after the 50th Saturday anniversary of the Munich air disaster. The shirt will have a black Bolton ribbon, along with the words “Manchester Remembers”.
#5 by NateL on 12.13.07 9:46 am |
Paul,
The Nashua Pride are not a triple-A team. When Curtis Pride played for them, they were members of the Atlantic League. They have since changed to the Can-Am League.
I remember going to Pride games when I was young(er). Good baseball, and always a chance to see Butch Hobson as the manager. And there was always a smattering of former MLB players on the rosters.
#6 by Bret the Jet on 12.13.07 9:49 am |
Okay, I feel all gross now. But that was hilarious.
#7 by Daren L on 12.13.07 9:51 am |
How can that jersey not be legit? It’s got Expos dirt on it!
#8 by Matt on 12.13.07 10:01 am |
Did anyone else notice that big advertisement atop the flyer promoting the Texans wearing their red alternate jerseys?
“Battle Red Day presented by Halliburton“
ummm…
#9 by Shane S. on 12.13.07 10:07 am |
/Bush Derangement Syndrome hat on:
Oh no! The Texans game tonight is sponsored by Halliburton! Does Bushy McChimpyhitlerburton have his hands in EVERYTHING?? It was only a matter of time. No Battle Red Uniforms for Oil! Impeach Matt Schaub!
/Bush Derangement Syndrome hat off
#10 by TOG on 12.13.07 10:08 am |
I have a general question? The practice of Asian players using their first name on the back of their jerseys is attributed to what? Examples such as:
ICHIRO (Suzuki)
YAO (Ming)
And now…
KOSUKE (Fukudome)
His last name has all kinds of Wrigley Field bleachers chant possibilities…
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I wonder why some MLB teams and pro teams in general do not try and add some added difference to their alternates and use the first name of the player instead of the last name?
I guess you might have a lot of Mike’s, Joe’s and Bill’s that would confuse casual fans…
Just a thought.
#11 by Miguel on 12.13.07 10:13 am |
I agree - that is clearly Canadian dirt.
#12 by Anthony Verna on 12.13.07 10:13 am |
Hopefully this ends italics. . .
I asked about Halliburton sponsoring the red uniform day earlier (I forget if it were this year or last year), wondering what they’d be getting out of it.
Not for any political motives, but it does seem to be an odd sponsorship.
#13 by Shane S. on 12.13.07 10:13 am |
Matt- My apologies, but I posted my halliburton comment right after yours, and now it looks like I was responding to your comment and ripping on you. It wasn’t my intent, honestly :)
#14 by Shane S. on 12.13.07 10:14 am |
Thanks for fixing the italics! I forgot to close it.
#15 by Trevor Kruger on 12.13.07 10:16 am |
The Mariners actually did a commercial with this theme in Ichiro’s second year. Bret (Boone), Edgar(Martinez), Jamie(Moyer), etc. Then John Olerud and John Halama were back in the dugout playing rock, paper, scissors to determine who got the John jersey.
#16 by Shaftman on 12.13.07 10:18 am |
OT: Being DDay in MLB, I figured some of you might want to be up to date on the proceedings.
There is a report from ESPN that says that Clemens will be named in the Mitchell Report. Carry on.
#17 by Shaftman on 12.13.07 10:19 am |
Sorry, forgot the link.
#18 by Ian K on 12.13.07 10:20 am |
Yao Ming’s family name/surname is Yao, which is why it’s on his jersey. Chinese names go surname-given name.
Ichiro has to do with Suzuki being an extremely common name in Japan. Fukudome? Is that a common name? I don’t know, I’ve never been to Japan.
#19 by N. on 12.13.07 10:23 am |
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#20 by Gary on 12.13.07 10:26 am |
I was coming in to say the same thing as Natel. The Pride are unaffiliated. Some great baseball in those independent leagues, and you can’t beat the price. I used to live about 5 blocks from the Somerset Patriots stadium. I live out in PA now, and I wish they had built that stadium for the Black Diamonds in Williams Township like they had planned. Now the Black Diamonds are the homeless Road Warriors… And the funding for that stadium went toward Coca Cola Park for the Phillies AAA IronPigs. Not that I’m complaining, it will be cool to see the MLBers rehabbing there. But I always liked Atlantic League baseball.
As for Butch Hobson, he has been named the manager of the new Southern Maryland Blue Crabs in the Atlantic League. They are owned by Brooks Robinson…
#21 by Jet on 12.13.07 10:27 am |
Not exactly analagous, but the Expos nameplate reminded me of what a collector told me long ago when I was collecting game-worn hockey jerseys, that the reason there were so few green/gold California Golden Seals game-worns in circulation was because they sent some of their jerseys to their Salt Lake City Golden Eagles farm team, where the “SEALS” was removed and replace with the Eagles script. Also, I’m pretty sure it was in the recent book about the Seals called “Shorthanded,” that some player was invited back to training camp after playing for the Seals and was told to “bring back the jersey.”
-Jet
#22 by possum on 12.13.07 10:29 am |
I’m no expert on Expos gamers, but I have collected my fair share of minor league gamers. Here’s my take on the Wallach based on my knowledge of gamers and a little bit of research:
This Fuentes cat was probably Mike Fuentes. Wallach may have worn #58 during his 1980 cup of coffee, but it doesn’t stand to reason that they’d put “Expos” over the nameplate in Montreal (this is where a hardcore Expos collector would come in handy). Fuentes didn’t play his first pro game until 81 with the WPB Expos. I’d like to be able to see the inside of the jersey to tell if the Fuentes was the original nameplate, because I’d wager its not. It was probably used as an extra in 80 (given the unusual number), then passed down to the minors. Because its a set 2 jersey I doubt they’d have used it in 80 Spring Training. My game worn intuition tells me that it was probably used by Wallach in his call up then passed down to WPB in 81 where Fuentes used it. Then it could have gone down to the Rookie League Calgary Expos where they could have used “Expos” as nameplates. A lot of Rookie leagues don’t even use NOBs, much less in the early 80s.
Two great resources for stuff like this are McCann’s minor league page and the Baseball Cube.
#23 by Evan on 12.13.07 10:31 am |
As for the MLB 08 Arod with the number on his Yankees jersey here is another screenshot without the number on his jersey
It has been known for companies to photoshop screenshots though as seen here on the far right half the guy is missing so maybe someone was altering the arod pic and thought a number was supposed to go there who knows
#24 by possum on 12.13.07 10:31 am |
This is correct, and was quite common in the pre-80s era. Two other well known examples are the WHA Chicago Cougars and NAHL Long Island Cougars, and the Red Wings/Pittsburgh Hornets (AHL).
#25 by Eric on 12.13.07 10:35 am |
That Wallach jersey has to be a minor league jersey. I have a relative that played in the Expos minor league system in the early 90’s and from rookie ball (Jamestown) to low-A (Rockford) to high-A (West Palm Beach), all of the jerseys had Expos on the back.
#26 by DenverGregg on 12.13.07 10:38 am |
That Joe Maddon cap is outstanding!
I saw that the Texans are wearing red jerseys, but didn’t see anything about red pants and don’t remember them wearing red pants before.
As to Halliburton, they’re active wherever the oil business is, so it’s no surprise they’d be big in H-town.
Paul - please remember to take the pain meds regularly even if you’re not in major pain, because they work better that way.
#27 by E Ro on 12.13.07 10:48 am |
Those thermablades have to be a gimmick. I would wager money that the added weight to the skates compensates for the increased stride speed.
Sticks have gone up in price about 300% wood is disappearing, now they are trying to make the skate chassis/blade go from $50 to $300 plus batteries? Nothing endorses the NHL and game of hockey like making it even more unaffordable.
#28 by ross on 12.13.07 10:51 am |
I thought the “Ichiro” on his jersey came from him being so popular in Japan that he only needed his first name on his jersey. I kinda would be like Michael Jordan only needing to put “Michael” on his jersey in the 90’s since there would be no debate as to who that “Michael” was.
Then again I think I heard this in Ichiro’s rookie season, so my memory could be a little faded.
#29 by Jeffrey on 12.13.07 10:54 am |
That sure looks like Jeter’s video game face…
#30 by ScottyJ in WV on 12.13.07 10:56 am |
That Red Wings article is very interesting.
What on earth could possibly drive the ownership of the Wings to “unretire” a number, especially the first one?!?
Quite fascinating and confusing.
#31 by Steven on 12.13.07 10:59 am |
Speaking of NHL retired number controversies, what about Aurel Joliat? He played for the Canadiens in the 1920s and 1930s and had his #4 retired (co-retired, once Jean Beliveau’s #4 went to the rafters), and both players were listed as having their #4 retired in the NHL Official Guide and Record Book as recently as a few years ago. Now? It’s just Beliveau…..
#32 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 11:04 am |
#33 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 11:05 am |
clemens for sure, prolly pettitte too…plus of course giambi and shef…
anyone think a-god will top the list?
#34 by Kevin M. on 12.13.07 11:08 am |
Just announced on Colin Cowherd show…Pettitte is on the list too.
#35 by Matt on 12.13.07 11:09 am |
No hard feelings.
#36 by Mark in Shiga on 12.13.07 11:15 am |
I thought the “Ichiro” on his jersey came from him being so popular in Japan that he only needed his first name on his jersey. I kinda would be like Michael Jordan only needing to put “Michael” on his jersey in the 90’s since there would be no debate as to who that “Michael” was.
Then again I think I heard this in Ichiro’s rookie season, so my memory could be a little faded.
Ichiro’s FNOB was the idea of a coach who thought it would help a player named with Japan’s version of “Bill Smith” to stand out a little more. He wasn’t famous at all when he first started doing this, and in fact there have been a few A href=”http://jlic.sakura.ne.jp/sblo_files/jlic/image/ryutaro.jpg”>other players such as “Ryutaro” and Kenshi Kawaguchi who used their first names, whether because their surnames were popular, or just because they liked the idea of being called by their given names. Keep in mind that stadium PA announcers and even TV announcers use players’ given names much less often than they would in the English language.
As for the popularity of the name Fukudome, one search of one Japanese database reveals that it is the 1188th most popular name, and that just 3725 people in Japan bear it. I haven’t heard of any other person with this name, but there are many names that begin with “Fuku” (meaning “luck”), such as Fukui, Fukushima, Fukunaga, Fukumura, Fukuhara, Fukumine, and many, many others. Kings goalkeeper Yutaka Fukufuji has a similarly rare name made of common elements.
#37 by kyle. on 12.13.07 11:15 am |
a couple of days back i commented on this because thome’s jersey is one of those futuristic jerseys from a few years back.
#38 by Paul Lukas on 12.13.07 11:17 am |
About Ichiro: When he was in the Japanese minors, he was on a team with three or four other players whose last name was Suzuki. So they all wore their first names on their jerseys. Ichiro was the only one who made it to the Japanese bigs, where he was permitted to keep wearing his first name. When he jumped over to the Mariners, he petitioned to keep wearing his first name, and they granted his request.
For some reason I get a kick out of seeing him listed as “Suzuki” in the box scores — a reminder that you can bend the rules on a uniform, but some rules still apply elsewhere.
As someone else has pointed out in an earlier comment, Yao Ming’s situation is completely different, because Yao is his family name, just like Suzuki is Ichiro’s family name.
#39 by Brad on 12.13.07 11:18 am |
That post late last night that mentioned the Lingerie bowl field being visible on the Google Earth image was really cool. I love finding things on there that let you date it…for instance, the Rose Bowl having USC and Texas endzones or Seahawks Stadium obviously holding the Apple Cup.
The game in Seahawks Stadium/Qwest Field isn’t the Apple Cup. The Apple Cup has never been played outside of Husky and Martin Stadiums. Each year WSU plays one game in Seattle and that’s what happened to be photographed.
As far as Ichiro’s story…What happened was his manager for the Orix Blue Wave suggested he put Ichiro on his jersey because of how common Suzuki was and he’d never stand out with Suzuki on his jersey. This was before he became amazing and his being known by just “Ichiro” is because of his first manager’s idea.
#40 by al on 12.13.07 11:20 am |
Knickes wore herritage unis yesterday:
but history shows the knicks did not have a logo on their shorts in the early 70s
That logo was introduced during the 90’s , and preceded by the interlocking NY
#41 by Brad on 12.13.07 11:20 am |
Thanks Paul for hitting submit just before me, lol.
#42 by Mark in Shiga on 12.13.07 11:24 am |
Yeah Paul, thanks for eating my post which explained the same thing! ^_^;
(Or was it the copious number of “fukus” that I used? I went into a long digression about how common KOsuke’s surname is.)
#43 by Jeffrey on 12.13.07 11:25 am |
my moms used to say i adjusted my package (ok she didn’t use those terms) far too often when i played baseball in high school…
i think i’ll send her this link to demonstrate that i was just emulating my heroes.
#44 by Scott on 12.13.07 11:29 am |
Regarding #22:
I’d like to be able to see the inside of the jersey to tell if the Fuentes was the original nameplate, because I’d wager its not.
You can’t exactly see the inside of the jersey, but in the pic of the front you can see that there’s an “NT” stitched into the back, lending credence to “Fuentes” being the original NOB…
#45 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 11:30 am |
you have two moms?
;)
#46 by Jeffrey on 12.13.07 11:40 am |
two OR MORE! :))
#47 by Shaftman on 12.13.07 11:42 am |
OT:
Slightly inside information on the list…
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.
#48 by Slam on 12.13.07 11:42 am |
Frankly, I believe that those Thermablades should be illegal. What if other sports introduced technology that used “outside energy” (i.e. the battery) to increase performance. For example, what if college ball players had batteries in their aluminum/composite bats that would heat them up so that they would get an extra few feet of distance. What if they invented a battery loaded stick that would give a slapshot a few extra mph’s. Is Brett Favre allowed a battery operated “hand cozie” to keep his hands warm so he can get a better grip on the ball during December Green Bay games? Go all out and make a heated football that would be easier to hold and kick in late fall and early winter. What about battery loaded basketball shoes that would make the user jump an extra couple inches higher. How about battery loaded drivers so Tiger can turn 400 yard holes into par threes. Why not add the same technology to bobsleigh, luge and skeleton sleds? In some cases, I’m sure they are regulations against such things. Hockey should have them too.
I know that those skate blades do not make a huge difference right know. But, I think that this could be a first step down a slippery slope. I think that technology should be used to harness the athlete’s natural energy and abilities not add to it. No outside power source should be used. (Well, other than motorsports of course.)
Anyways, that enough of a rant for now.
#49 by jesse on 12.13.07 12:10 pm |
How far down the slippery slope is it from “Ichero” to “He Hate me”?
#50 by Charlie on 12.13.07 12:11 pm |
That screen shot of A-Rod is amazing…looks like the graphics will be spectacular in the game.
also…where did that list of names come from? Is that the actual list or are you just speculating?
#51 by Shaftman on 12.13.07 12:14 pm |
I know a guy…
#52 by Cowboy7130 on 12.13.07 12:14 pm |
The Collegiate Licensing Gestapo has targeted another high school for copyright image infringement. In this case it is not the Wisconsin “W”, but the Washington State Cougars, who have now decided that the Abilene, TX Cooper HS Cougar is causing confusion. Let’s see … a university in the Pacific Northwest, and a high school in Texas … yeah, I can see where there would be a LOT of confusion over that *sarcasm html button ended*. In defense of Cooper, I always thought their “Coog” was a blatant ripoff, but at least “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!”
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#53 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 12:14 pm |
i don’t know where the poster got it, but i got it emailed to me in the form of this story
seems legit
#54 by Pat on 12.13.07 12:20 pm |
The names are gone. All it says now is this:
#55 by Philly Bill on 12.13.07 12:23 pm |
Like half those names on the steroid cheat list are guys who’ve already been caught, officially or unofficially — Bell, Byrd, Alexander, Ankiel, Caminiti, Glaus, Segui, Lawton, Mota et al.
Not to endorse the company, but Halliburton is (was?) a major employer in Houston and built the Astros’ stadium and probably the Texans’ stadium as well. There’s Halliburton signage throughout Minute Maid Park and the area outside the park with Astros’ historical markers is called Halliburton Park. I guess the company is still a big part of their economy even though it’s moving its HQ to Dubai.
#56 by Cavan on 12.13.07 12:24 pm |
I think the Texans red jersey actually looks good. I usually don’t like red alts.
#57 by Neil on 12.13.07 12:25 pm |
Interesting tidbit in the Thermablades article:
The four teams they play for asked that their names be kept secret so the Thermablades on their feet didn’t draw media attention and their use become a distraction, says Kris King, the NHL’s Toronto-based senior manager of hockey operations.
Marty Reasoner is one: he was on the local (Edmonton) news just recently, in the middle of the Oilers dressing room, more than happy to show off the blades for the scribes in attendance. Certainly didn’t seem to be any veil of secrecy then.
#58 by Kyle O. on 12.13.07 12:27 pm |
Looks like the Texans can be added to the list of teams with multiple Captains patches
#59 by Big O on 12.13.07 12:33 pm |
I think any team that uses an alternate jersey has multiple Captains patches. The pattern seems to be one color patch for home and road jerseys and an other color for the alternate. I know that the Giants use the red patch on their road jerseys and alternates.
#60 by Big Jay on 12.13.07 12:39 pm |
Mlton Bradley, Albert Belle, Wil Cordero, Jose Canseco, Roger Clemens, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Guillen, Jose Offerman, John Rocker, = ROID RAGE.
But Neifi Perez?? Come on…..
I’d hate to see that guy off the crank.
#61 by TOG on 12.13.07 12:46 pm |
Something about a team with all first names on their alternate jerseys (who have a Japanese player with the same variation) to honor the country of Japan that’s kind of appealing to me…
Makes an alternate jersey actually mean more than more merchandise sales alone…
Hmmmm.
ALFONSO
RYAN
DERREK
ARAMIS
KOSUKE
MARK
GEOVANY
FELIX
CARLOS
Kind of fun and in light the Mitchell report (is Kevin on the list?) something light that baseball might just need this season…
#62 by Shaftman on 12.13.07 12:49 pm |
There was nothing “light” about Kevin Mitchell…that boy was a house. But yes, I would think he should be on the list (even if he’s not).
#63 by TOG on 12.13.07 12:59 pm |
Interesting copy blurb on Fukudome jersey…
**Jersey style has not been confirmed. These jerseys will ship in 4-6 weeks.*
http://www.wrigleyvi...
Interesting how that works…You drop down $159 and not sure what you’re getting??? Hmmm.
#64 by Justin B on 12.13.07 1:00 pm |
Was I the only that thought of this when I read that post. LOL.
#65 by Morgan Doninger on 12.13.07 1:03 pm |
Paul-
Regarding mushy food after oral surgery: When I had my wisdom teeth pulled I lived off of milk shakes. Not terribly healthy, but they taste great!
#66 by DenverGregg on 12.13.07 1:17 pm |
Not sports-related, but a rather different uni proposed for the U. S. Navy.
#67 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 1:18 pm |
well shit…maybe i should have block & copied it…suffice it to say the names were all the same as had been posted on here earlier…apparently, tho, MLB isn’t happy about the premature leaking and i guess there will be some different names at 2:00 eastern
#68 by ryan c #40 on 12.13.07 1:38 pm |
“Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”
NOT CANSECO AND SOSA!!! SAY IT AIN’T SO! LOL
…no pirates… geez! do we have to suck at everything?!?! can’t we get one good name on that list?!?! lol. we can’t even do the right drugs!
#69 by CV on 12.13.07 1:41 pm |
“The Texans will be wearing solid red tonight, which promises to be a design debacle for the ages. …”
Does that mean red jerseys AND red pants? If so, wow, that could enter Oregon ducks level of bad.
#70 by CV on 12.13.07 1:43 pm |
Nevermind, just went ot the actual Texans site. The bottom of my linked image above was cut off. I can see the red pants on the Texans main page. Good Lord that is going to be ugly.
I do agree though, the jerseys by themselves are not horrible.
#71 by ryan c #40 on 12.13.07 1:47 pm |
gee… can’t wait for the steelers to display their red jerseys! *rolling eyes*
…somebody say something about team identity the other day???
#72 by Brent on 12.13.07 1:49 pm |
Continuing on the ‘copycat’ uniform theme from the other day, it looks like Auburn might not be alone. It looks to me like Southwest Mississippi Community College is a pretty close knock off of Auburn’s arch-enemy!
#73 by Justin B on 12.13.07 1:50 pm |
No Pirates? Come on Ryan C…
Barry Bonds
Abraham Nunez
Matt Lawton
Julian Tavarez
Raul Mondesi
#74 by Mike on 12.13.07 1:52 pm |
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Bar ry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Fr anklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Ma rk McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.”
Both names on the list
#75 by Card fan in the 'Ville on 12.13.07 1:54 pm |
Not a Pirate fan but that was funny….
#76 by Mets Fan AZ on 12.13.07 1:56 pm |
Both names on the list
pretty sure ryan was writing in mock horror…
#77 by Carl G on 12.13.07 1:59 pm |
So here is my research/theory on the whole 1980 Expos Wallach/Fuentes Jersey issue
On January 30, 1978, the expos purchased Tito Fuentes from the tigers. Fuentes had always worn the number 23, even legally changing his middle name to “23″ so that he could distinguish himself from two of his sons, from different relationships, who he also named tito (ala George Foreman) and his grandson, also named Tito.
http://www.sfgate.co...
However, in 1978, the number 23 was already being worn by the manager of the expos (and recent hall of fame inductee) Dick Williams. As Fuentes was at the end of his career (he would play only 13 games for the A’s in 1978 before retiring), it seems unlikely that Williams would have given him the number 23. Thus it seems likely the expos gave him a number like 58. However, since he was a veteran, it also seems plausible they would still give him a jersey with his name on the back.
Fuentes, however, never played a game with the expos, as they released him on March 22, 1978. It thus appears likely that the expos took the Fuentes uniform and used it in some other capacity, either in the minors, or for later year call-ups (and thus it could have been worn by Wallach in 1980)
A few additional facts that inform this theory. based on the dressed to the nines site, it appears that the expos wore the same jerseys in 1978 as 1980. I guess a question for you Paul, is whether either (1) the tagging also matches the expos 1978 jerseys, except obviously that it says 1980 (2) whether, if previous years jerseys were used, the tagging would be changed to the current year if used by the major league team in that year, or (3) whether the tagging could have been switched to turn what would be a common inexpensive spring training used uniform of Fuentes into a much more valuble rookie game used jersey from Wallach.
It should also be noted that the expos have apparently given the number 58 to other players who subsequently used different jerseys once they were established with the team such as Jose Morales and Tony Armas, Jr.
It seems unlikely the jersey was Mike Fuentes. He was not even drafted by the expos until June 8, 1981. He played with the expos only 2 seasons and wore 25 in 1983 and 15 in 1984. Since the item was tagged 1980 with the fuentes name already in it, it seems unlikely it was a different jersey in 1980, was given to Fuentes to use in the minors, and then subsequently his name was covered up by the expos to give to someone else.
Let me know what the rest of you guys think
#78 by Mike on 12.13.07 1:59 pm |
sorry misread the comment
#79 by Kek on 12.13.07 2:04 pm |
I think his point was no current Pirates. Lawton and Mondesi were rent-a-player has-beens.
Plus everyone knows Bonds transformation began after he left for the bay area. (It’s BALCO not PALCO!!!!)
Truthfully, as a Pirate fan I’m glad no current guys are on the list. That would piss me off more because they would be juiced and the team would STILL suck!
#80 by u2horn on 12.13.07 2:11 pm |
Sammy Sosa and Pudge Rodriguez are not in the report.
http://files.mlb.com...
#81 by Matt Powers on 12.13.07 2:16 pm |
As
for the Auburn knock-offs. It looks like their opponents in two of the pictures are wearing knock-offs as well: The Redskins in the last pic and the Saints all-black in the middle row!
#82 by ryan c #40 on 12.13.07 2:18 pm |
yes mock humor! big time!!!
and yes, no current pirates.
i just wish we could cheat, or afford (or care) to buy a championship team… and by “championship” i mean make .500… cause afterall, that IS what management aims for every season!
by the way… uni-related… rumors of jason bay might be on his way to s.d.! as in, jason bay will be wearing a new uni next season. haha. so he’ll have a whole new field to jog up and shag short, catchable, fly balls on one bounce now!
#83 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 2:26 pm |
italics off?
say it ain’t sosa
#84 by Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland on 12.13.07 2:27 pm |
Let’s hope that these guys get sent up the river for a long, long time - especially that Caminiti guy.
Oh, wait…….
;-)
#85 by Kek on 12.13.07 2:28 pm |
#86 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 2:32 pm |
darryl kile too
#87 by Kek on 12.13.07 2:32 pm |
Wow, I can only imagine if Bryan would make that kind of comment on a weekend post. They’re would be hell to pay and a million “have you no respect for the dead” posts!!!!
#88 by Kek on 12.13.07 2:34 pm |
that should have read “There would be hell to pay” Sorry…
#89 by Jeffrey on 12.13.07 2:34 pm |
quasi-uni-related: is it too much for the hotel or whatever is hosting this news conference to iron its damn curtains?
#90 by JT on 12.13.07 2:34 pm |
Is Sage Rosenfels starting as the Texans’ QB tonight? If so, it might take him back to his college days at Iowa State, when I’m pretty sure they wore solid red more than once.
#91 by LI Phil on 12.13.07 2:36 pm |
dammit kek, you turned the italics back on
should be off now
#92 by Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland on 12.13.07 2:39 pm |
- RIMSHOT -
#93 by Chance on 12.13.07 2:40 pm |
But a current Brewer, although one they just acquired….
#94 by Mets/Jets Fan in Chicagoland on 12.13.07 2:45 pm |
Mitchell report in PDF format (huge file) -
go to page 290 for the names to start rolling
#95 by JT on 12.13.07 2:50 pm |
See, for example this picture of Rosenfels at the 2000 Insight Bowl.
#96 by Kerry P on 12.13.07 2:55 pm |
OK, I understand the arguement for a school protecting its logo. But why can’t these schools follow the lead of Kansas State and “license” the use of their logo to high schools for a minimal amount - I think Kansas State does it for $1/year.
If Washington State is looking hard right now, I would think that my HS’s archrival and recently crowned Louisiana 5-A State Champion, Destrehan High School - also the HS alma mater of Baltimore Raven Ed Reed, may be in for some legal battles down the road for their USE OF THE LOGO as well.
#97 by Mets Fan AZ on 12.13.07 3:00 pm |
That bowl game was played at “The BOB” Bank One Ballpark, now Chase Field in Phoenix, home of the Diamondbacks. The field also hosted an ASU women’s basketball game that was uni-notable because it rained in Phoenix during the game and they didn’t close the roof (there’s a whole ‘nother topic) and the women were wearing long sleeves and maybe even a sweatshirt. So I brought it back around to uni’s but I was wondering what other venues have hosted b’ball, football and baseball. I know some of the domes have been the site of Final Fours but have they had some baseball in there too?
#98 by Johnny O on 12.13.07 3:05 pm |
At least my Brewers have been losing these past 25 years legally.