Back in March I wrote an ESPN column about athletes wearing sunglasses. At the time I wasn’t aware of any football players who’d worn shades on the field, but readers provided several examples that I later listed in a follow-up item: Mark Clayton (who wore sunglasses with the Dolphins and the Packers), Derrick Mayes, and Vai Sikahema. The most intriguing tidbit, though, was that Raymond Berry of the Colts had worn a set of homemade sun goggles during the ’50s and ’60s. But although several people told me about Berry’s eyewear, none of them provided a photo, and my own research efforts came up empty. But now, thanks to reader Jason Taylor, we’ve got a photo — and more.
Let’s start with the photo itself, which is a doozy. Eat your heart out, LaDainian Tomlinson — your tinted visor’s got nothing on this!
But here’s the kicker: The actual goggles recently sold on eBay for about $155. According to the auction listing, “With no commercially available product to address or correct his vision and sun-sensitivity problems, Berry took the initiative to make his own. Utilizing Bausch & Lomb swim goggles as frames, he inserted heavy shaded lenses supported by trainer’s tape and a primitive headstrap.”
How did the Hall of Fame miss out on this?
The Issue That Just Won’t Die: In case you were too busy scarfing down leftovers to read Friday’s comments, it’s now clear that Dallas Clark’s American flag decal has been missing for quite some time — not just on Thanksgiving or the week before that, but all the way back to Week 8.
In an incredible stroke of luck, it turns out that bench coach Bryan Redemske actually knows Dallas Clark, because Bryan’s wife and Clark went to high school together. So we’ve got an inside line on this one — stay tuned.
Austin Reminder: Uni Watch gathering tomorrow night, 7:30 p.m., at the Salt Lick. BYOB (not to be confused with FNOB).
Uni Watch News Ticker: While researching something else, I noticed that you can see the brand on Tony Romo’s flak jacket right through his jersey. … Reprinted from Friday’s comments: Note the inconsistent 7s here. … Speaking of numbers and typography, remember a few months back when we discussed the differing treatments of the 5 on the sleeve and chest of the Packers’ jerseys? Adam Seabury was just at the Packers Hall of Fame, where he discovered yet another version of the 5. He also snapped great pics of jerseys, helmets (check out the odd facemask here), pants, socks (someone please break into that display and steal those for me, pronto), cheerleaders’ outfits, programs, and a lot more. There’s a slideshow of all his pics here. … Great historical slideshow here of the Turkey Day Game between Kirkwood and Webster Groves, a centurty-long St. Louis Thanksgiving tradition. Some of the older pics are amazing — worth clicking through. … “I was at the Oregon/UCLA game at the Rose Bowl on Saturday,” writes Ryan Whitacre, “and at least one member of the Oregon fan base was exhibiting some classy dress. We can only hope this will filter down to the athletes themselves.” … Virginia retired Tiki Barber’s number on Saturday. … “These pics are of a few old mining company baseball and basketball teams from the 1910-1930,” writes longtime Uni Watch pal Doug Kalemba. “According to my grandfather (who is 96!), each mine had its own team, many filled with ringers who got cushy jobs in return for playing. The competition between these teams was serious business, with games often ending in brawls (or worse). My grandfather was a catcher and played for a few different teams. He claims a lot of the players were good enough for the bigs but never caught a break.” … While researching something else, I came across this photo from the 1959 NFL title game. Take a look at Jim Patton (No. 20) — the “2″ on his helmet appears to be backwards. … Aaron Levine notes that in this fight between Stan Jonathan and Paul Stewart, Stewart has NNOB and really big uni numbers, while the rest of the Nords have NOBs. … Man, those Browns throwbacks looked my-t-fine (additional pics here, here, and here). But John Ryder notes that the “c” on Willie McGinest’s jersey was almost as big as the other letters on his nameplate, while the “c” on Brandon McDonald’s jersey was teeny-tiny. … Jeremy Brahm, ever alert to unusual uniforms in far-off parts of the world, notes that the Singapore Slingers of the National Basketball League of Australia have an interesting design for their shorts and rear jersey. … Has anyone else noticed that Sheldon Brown practically wears a towel on his chinstrap? … Reprinted from last night’s comments: Adrian Peterson is the latest Bear to have suffered a torn helmet decal.
#1 by Jack on 11.26.07 9:16 am |
This website needs more things about Lacrosse. Just sayin
love the blog though :)
#2 by Mike on 11.26.07 9:20 am |
I don’t “get” the weekly update on american flag decals. What am I missing?
#3 by steve on 11.26.07 9:22 am |
The Raymond Berry phot reminds me of
#4 by steve on 11.26.07 9:23 am |
steve said:
#5 by steve on 11.26.07 9:24 am |
The Raymond Berry phot reminds me of
#6 by Surly on 11.26.07 9:27 am |
During the Grey Cup last night the Bombers’ kicker Troy Westwood was wearing a beaded necklace with a bear claw or something hanging down.
it was about the size of a shot glass and looked very very sharp. Yeah he’s native but that seemed a little much.
#7 by Joey Guns on 11.26.07 9:31 am |
Anyone watch the Villanova-NC State game last night on ESPN2 at 7 PM? One of the Villanova players did not have his name on his back. I think it was #31, but there’s no number #31 on their roster online. Can anyone help on this?
#8 by Jason Axel on 11.26.07 9:33 am |
Jon Kitna kinda has the Sheldon Brown chinstrap thing going on…except he doesn’t have it in practice and I noticed he doesn’t have it in this game. Did Kitna just start it this year? He didn’t do it with the Bengals either.
#9 by josh's twin on 11.26.07 9:34 am |
Aaron Levine notes that in this fight between Stan Jonathan and Paul Stewart, Stewart has NNOB and really big uni numbers, while the rest of the Nords have NOBs.
Not quite. There are at least two other NNOBs on the Nords (#28, and one other that i couldn’t make out the number.) in this clip, which is even weirder than if it was just Stewart. Was half the lineup callups that night, or what?
#10 by Jack on 11.26.07 9:45 am |
SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS WITH POST NUMBER ONE:
I haven’t seen so much disparity in equipment as there is in the sport of Lacrosse. There is at least 5 different styles of helmets being used in Division one alone! Check it out:
Duke in the Brine Triumph and Hopkins in the Cascade CPX
Virginia in the Gait Identity
Ohio State in the Warrior Viking (Note the Buckeye Pride Stickers)
Michigan in the Riddell Revolution
Also, I know that UniWatch’s writers will have a soft spot in their hearts for these socks. Calf high socks have long been the trademark of stylish Lacrosse players.
Salisbury
Cornell
These are just gaudy! UMass
#11 by Shane on 11.26.07 9:47 am |
While researching something else, I came across this photo from the 1959 NFL title game. Take a look at Jim Patton (No. 20) — the “2″ on his helmet appears to be backwards.
Also, #70 (’fraid I don’t know the name. You’ll have to excuse a “soccer” fan) has different 7’s from his back to the television-numbers.
#12 by Mike on 11.26.07 9:49 am |
Raymond Berry’s helmet and goggles look like Anakin Skywalker’s podracing helmet from Star Wars I.
http://web.ukonline....
#13 by Shane on 11.26.07 9:49 am |
Also, there was a comment the other day about the block on the back of Argentina’s new jersey (the striped one), that football picture illustrates perfectly why FIFA is mandating such a block on striped kits. Look at the ref.
#14 by mike on 11.26.07 9:54 am |
If I remember right, Mike Nelms who played for the Redskins abck ni the day wore regular sunglasses when her returned kicks….of course I cannot find a picture. Also, Howie Long’s son had his number retired by UVA this weekend.
#15 by dimoko on 11.26.07 9:55 am |
I was at the browns game yesterday, and had to explain to people the differences in the browns uniforms. and i love the typeface of the helmet numbers, just love it.
#16 by DZ on 11.26.07 9:56 am |
Note the inconsistent 7s here
Looks like inconsistent 5s too.
#17 by dimoko on 11.26.07 9:56 am |
The Five is my favorite
#18 by Tim on 11.26.07 9:57 am |
Some Browns went striped socks….some didnt. The only disappointment from Throwback Sunday.
Note Winslow in this picture….
http://us.i1.yimg.co...
And Winslow was back to his old helmet, while Steve Heiden continued to wear the Schutt Ion.
#19 by JJD on 11.26.07 10:04 am |
Who made the hddvdnbc.com commercials with Marty Schottenheimer? I noticed this in the second one a lot more, but if you watch this one when they are “bringing it in” the second guy in line (behind #29) is wearing #6, but his “6″ is offset to the left, like he was #60 and the took the zero off, or they changed their mind because they ran out of other numbers (note that his shoulder numbers appear to be in the correct spot). Dummies.
#20 by Smitty on 11.26.07 10:06 am |
Jack said:
No offense, but lacrosse = yawn
#21 by Jack on 11.26.07 10:18 am |
No offense, but lacrosse = yawn
if you think lacrosse is boring, then you really know nothing about the game. Its the fastest game on two feet! It combines the footwork of basketball, the hitting of hockey, and the endurance/speed of soccer.
NCAA and Professional Lacrosse players are some of the best athletes you’ll find! It’s like hockey as far as having lines goes, except midfielders spend 3-5 minutes on the field at a time (at full sprint, on a playing surface larger than a hockey rink).
The defensemen have 6 FOOT TITANIUM POLES, and are allowed to swing away at the attacker, as if he was a pinata. There is nothing yawn about that.
#22 by Miguel on 11.26.07 10:18 am |
Kudos to that guy on the Singapore Slingers for rockin’ the
old WebbersAir Max Sensations!#23 by Jordan on 11.26.07 10:18 am |
dimoko said:
Still wondering what the font was — I know we must have typographic nerds who crossover here.
I’m thinking Futura.
#24 by Rick on 11.26.07 10:22 am |
Rick said:
What’s wrong with the UMass unis? I think they look pretty good in that pic.
#25 by todd krevanchi on 11.26.07 10:23 am |
its easy to recognize that the majority of all goggled nfl’ers happen prior to the universally accepted advent of the facemask visor.
berry’s goggles make him look like one of these, who by the way, in many episodes of the show was portrayed by this former bad boy.
currently goggled hoops players include wisconsin’s marcus landry, and most famously, marcus jordan, of THAT jordan family.
dimoko said:
perhaps the blog line of the year.
DZ said:
what? no love for the different 5’s?
DZ said:
dont know how odd that facemask was to green bay as i remember lynn dickey wearing a version of that one during almost his entire career.
#26 by Kevin on 11.26.07 10:26 am |
The snake numbers are back for the Columbus Cottonmouths seen here.
#27 by FEZ WHATLEY on 11.26.07 10:27 am |
Smitty said:
Agreed.
Bad enough with all the soccer clutter.
Lacrosse now? Jesus no…
Vai Sikahema was rockin the 90’s Oakley M Frames. Sa-weet.
#28 by Mike on 11.26.07 10:27 am |
Jack said:
I don’t doubt the excitement of the game, nor the quality of the athletes who participates, but it’s a niche sport at best.
#29 by Rick on 11.26.07 10:30 am |
Rick said:
Check out the FNOB on Mr. Youngblood’s jersey!
#30 by Zack on 11.26.07 10:35 am |
Actually Michigan is a club team… they are not a DI Varsity team. They play in the CCLA conference in the MCLA which is the top college club league in the country. But the level of lacrosse is still pretty good compared to DI/DIII games.
Jack said:
#31 by Jack on 11.26.07 10:40 am |
Rick said:
High socks have been notorious in the sport of Lacrosse as only being able to be worn by people from Long Island, partially because thats where the best lacrosse is played, partially because its always been their thing.
Lacrosse players from other parts of the country (Massachusetts) are considered Prima Donna’s, posers, or for you hockey enthusiasts, benders.
#32 by Joey Guns on 11.26.07 10:40 am |
What was up with Kurt Warner with the double gloves yesterday?
http://www.blogsmith...
#33 by Jack on 11.26.07 10:43 am |
Actually Michigan is a club team… they are not a DI Varsity team. They play in the CCLA conference in the MCLA which is the top college club league in the country. But the level of lacrosse is still pretty good compared to DI/DIII games.
yeah, i know that, but i didn’t care to explain that to some of the close-minded readers, just look at their reactions. Comparing lacrosse to SOCCER? Get real
#34 by todd krevanchi on 11.26.07 10:43 am |
frequent uni-newsmaker sean taylor shot in a most unfortunate spot…
http://sports.espn.g...
#35 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 10:45 am |
Jack said:
yeah…um…not since about 1982
#36 by Hed-Bone11 on 11.26.07 10:46 am |
Virginia retired Tiki Barber’s number on Saturday.
You would think the kids could have worn some actual jerseys instead of cheap mesh ones.
#37 by ryan c #40 on 11.26.07 10:51 am |
i like the old reebok symbol on tiki’s colege jersey…
#38 by Jack on 11.26.07 10:53 am |
yeah…um…not since about 1982
forgive me, i’m somewhat of a lacrosse historian. I haven’t paid much attention to High School lax in long island lately.
I feel foolish defending every jab at Lacrosse, but to whoever said that Lacrosse was a ‘niche sport’, I’ll just let you know that the ncaa championships for lacrosse sold 44,000 tickets, which is more than any other sport.
#39 by Paul Lukas on 11.26.07 10:53 am |
Joey Guns said:
I’m increasingly of the opinion that the biggest change in football over the past two decades is the rise of gloves. Yes, today’s players have a much higher level of athleticism, but many of today’s acrobatic catches wouldn’t be possible without the sticky/tacky gloves. And don’t try to compare the stickum that players used to wear before it was banned — the gloves are MUCH better.
As for Warner, I don’t think QBs should be allowed to wear gloves on their throwing hands. But more and more QBs are doing it.
#40 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 10:54 am |
Hed-Bone11 said:
Tiki Barber makes Keith Hernandez seem humble
#41 by Jason on 11.26.07 10:57 am |
Don’t know if this has been mentioned yet but the Phillies will unveil there new alternate unis on the 29th of Nov.
#42 by Keith on 11.26.07 10:58 am |
# 7
Dante Cunninham for Villanova is #33, he got a cut over his eye and blood on his jersey which the NCAA does not let you play with. The #31 jersey is kept by the trainer for situations like this.
#43 by jsdryden on 11.26.07 11:03 am |
On Sat. night the Edmonton Oilers hosted Tickets for Troops night, where 6,000 season ticket holders donated their tickets to Canadian Armed Forces members.
Oilers players wore a yellow ribbon decal on the back left side of their helmets, and a yellow ribbon was painted on the ice behind each net.
Link to a good photo gallery here from that night, you have to look pretty closely in some of the shots to see the ribbon decal.
#44 by jsdryden on 11.26.07 11:05 am |
jsdryden said:
Screwed up the link, I will try again.
http://oilers.nhl.co...
#45 by steve on 11.26.07 11:08 am |
The Raymond Berry phot reminds me of “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”.
#46 by HUS on 11.26.07 11:11 am |
“But John Ryder notes that the “c” on Willie McGinest’s jersey was almost as big as the other letters on his nameplate, while the “c” on Brandon McDonald’s jersey was teeny-tiny.”
Some people spell it “Mc” some “MC” …it’s not a great mystery
#47 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 11:11 am |
Paul Lukas said:
two words…
lester hayes
#48 by timmy b on 11.26.07 11:12 am |
Shane said:
#70 is sam huff. sam works in the redskins radio booth with larry michael and sonny jurgensen.
notice too on the 1959 giants sleeve numbers how they bleed into the sleeve stripes.
and…..i love ALL sports!!
#49 by C.N. on 11.26.07 11:14 am |
Jack said:
Well, by comparison, the D-I men’s final four could easily sell out probably 100,000 tickets, if there were any arenas that big. And, I-A football bowl games don’t count under that statistic, because they’re not regulated by the NCAA. So, that stat is a little bit tainted.
#50 by patrick on 11.26.07 11:15 am |
Jack said:
Question: Where IS the championship? I recall last year it was in a lax hotbed, Maryland, no? So, thats not really a good sign of how its NOT a niche sport, rather that its a very popoular niche. NY/NJ MA and DC/MD are the only real popular places for lax.
#51 by Joey Guns on 11.26.07 11:16 am |
Keith said:
Thanks Keith. I saw him get cut over his eye. I should’ve realized that’s what happened! He almost hit the game winner too, except they made a dumb foul on an NC State 3 point shot, so they lost by 1.
#52 by HUS on 11.26.07 11:17 am |
AH yes…I forgot… If there are any pictures of NNOB in the nhl from basically 1975 on, it simply fell off…I have over 100 of these types of photos….it has nothing to do with call-ups, as a player cannot suit for a game without a NOB.
Kinda similar…One of the greatest uni moments in hockey occurred when Theo Fleury’s entire jersey ripped and he tried to wear a #14 fleury replica from someone behind the Calgary bench…the refs wouldn’t let him as it was covered in Flames autographs
#53 by spencer096 on 11.26.07 11:19 am |
Tim…regarding Winslow.
He had the stripes, they were just lower and obscured in the photo. I was in the Dawg Pound and had a few good looks at em.
also, I have a friend who works for Riddell. Last week Winslow wore a Revolution for the first time which he ditched this week for the standard Ridell helmet. He used to wear a Schutt model but now uses Ridell. I think the standard helmet could be because of the throwbacks, but since he only wore the Revo for one week, we won’t know until Sunday.
#54 by john on 11.26.07 11:21 am |
Joey Guns said:
That was someone with the last name cunnimgham and he got blood on his first jersey from a cut above his eye.
#55 by mike on 11.26.07 11:24 am |
It looks like Ocho Cinco has wee little ankles in this picture…
http://sports.yahoo....
#56 by Kris McInnis on 11.26.07 11:25 am |
I know it’s probably just the fold of the fabric, but that Singapore Slingers jersey looks like it just says ‘Slngers’.
#57 by jere on 11.26.07 11:25 am |
I think Ray Berry looks more like a Sleestak than anything else. Or a mix of all four Banana Splits.
Also, when I think of tinted facemasks, I think of Ken O’Brien….
#58 by Jeff B on 11.26.07 11:29 am |
Ok so here I am asking the stupid question.
What’s with football socks? In most cases you have the two colors, white and the team color on top. It looks like in some instances theres a solid colored sock with a shorter, say calf high, white sock over it. In other cases it looks like there’s tall white socks with a colored leg warmer over it. Other cases it looks like one solid sock with both colors, or the stripe pattern, on it.
Is there rationale behind any instance? Or is it just preference?
#59 by Jeff B on 11.26.07 11:32 am |
mike said:
Did any station, perhaps a local Cincinnati station show the video from when Chad had the camera?
#60 by elliott on 11.26.07 11:33 am |
Can anyone explain something weird with Miami Dolphins uniforms?
Aqua jersey
Rarely worn orange 2-0 alternate
Blue jersey, never used but marketed to fans
White “road” Jersey
Anyone notice the difference on the white jersey?
The cuffs on the arms on all the others feature small stripes (aqua, white, navy, orange and then reversed) but the white jersey just has block aqua cuffs.
Why? It’s something so miniscule, but someone somewhere clearly went out of his way to have the block aqua sleeves.
It irritates me every time I see it!
#61 by Nick on 11.26.07 11:38 am |
From the Raymond Berry line of eyewear …
#62 by Mike on 11.26.07 11:45 am |
C.N. said:
At the UVA/VT game on Saturday, 61,7xx fans bought tix…
#63 by Justin B on 11.26.07 11:50 am |
Mike said:
I was at the Vols/Vandy game on the 17th. 105,000 people were there with me.
#64 by C.N. on 11.26.07 11:50 am |
Mike said:
Tennessee and Michigan both regularly sell out their 100,000+ seat stadiums.
#65 by HUS on 11.26.07 11:52 am |
WOW I have never heard of anything like this before. A player suing the equipment manufacturer
I remember the injury well but not this part.
“Mark Howe filed a $5 million dollar lawsuit seeking damages for an accident that happened while he was a member of the Hartford Whalers. He sued the JayFro Corp. of Waterford, the city ofHartford, and the Hartford Civic Center”…”Fortunately he later recovered from the injuries”
(Jayfro made either the whole net or just the dangerous middle piece that sat on the ice ‘in’ the net)
This doesnt show the injury, but at the 20 second point, Howe scores and the puck is actually resting on the ’spike’ in question
#66 by todd krevanchi on 11.26.07 11:52 am |
LI Phil said:
if you were talking about his facemask and how it compares to the one in the packer hall of fame, then this is a better picture,
http://www.calpyc.co...
if you were talking about the stick-um, then this one might have been better
http://greatsportsri...
#67 by Patrick on 11.26.07 11:55 am |
I’m not from St. Louis, but a few years ago circumstances found me there and I got to attend the Webster Groves-Kirkwood game. It’s a really cool Thanksgiving tradition, and the game is played after the season and playoffs are over (unless one of them were to make the state championship game, I’m guessing, which was played this year on Saturday 11/24).
#68 by felix on 11.26.07 12:00 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
They sure didn’t help him hang on to the ball in OT, now did they?
#69 by jamie on 11.26.07 12:08 pm |
yea, i was at that ut/vandy game to, and there was way more people at that game then there will ever be at some lacrosse game. If the university of Tennessee only sold 44,000 tickets for a game, that stadium would look empty, but im sure that 44,00 fills up a lacrosse stadium.
Lacrosse will NEVER be a major sport in America, and will never sell out a huge stadium like Neyland stadium
#70 by Rick on 11.26.07 12:10 pm |
Jack said:
I assume you aren’t including basketball, baseball or football in those numbers. I’m guessing those aren’t included in your ticket numbers. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not busting on Lacrosse. I’ve seen it and agree it is enjoyable to watch.
#71 by Jet on 11.26.07 12:18 pm |
In that hockey fight video with the Quebec player (#22)with NNOB, at the end of that first fight you see another player facing the bench (#28) who also has NNOB.
-Jet
#72 by Andrew on 11.26.07 12:18 pm |
yeah, i know that, but i didn’t care to explain that to some of the close-minded readers, just look at their reactions. Comparing lacrosse to SOCCER? Get real
A great way to get someone to sympathize with whatever sport you’re on about? Making fun of another sport.
Or, you know, having styles of socks to differentiate rich people from the New York area from rich people from Maryland.
#73 by C.N. on 11.26.07 12:28 pm |
Rick said:
read comments above…
#74 by Josh Petty on 11.26.07 12:29 pm |
I posted this in the comments on Saturday, and it apparently went unnoticed.
During the first half of the Derby County/Chelsea game on Saturday, there was a player for Derby on the pitch without a name or number on his back. I’ve only been able to find one photo that has him in it. Also, check out the unis for Chelsea in the picture, that’s the first time I’ve seen the monochromatic look with that jersey. Most times I’ve seen them (they are new for this season), they have black shorts.
Here’s the photo I was talking about with the nameless, numberless guy in it. The problem was corrected at halftime becuase there were no subs at half or a guy without a name and number on his back.
http://www.premierle...
#75 by todd krevanchi on 11.26.07 12:32 pm |
if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?
what am i missing?
#76 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 12:32 pm |
jamie said:
People used to say that about football back in the 1920s.
#77 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 12:36 pm |
Marty Met said:
people still say it about soccer
#78 by mike on 11.26.07 12:41 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
Great question: http://www.dailypres...
#79 by steve on 11.26.07 12:43 pm |
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
#80 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 12:45 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
here’s the story:
jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.
last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.
six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).
link with great photo of chris long in cryblack
#81 by Jack on 11.26.07 12:55 pm |
yea, i was at that ut/vandy game to, and there was way more people at that game then there will ever be at some lacrosse game. If the university of Tennessee only sold 44,000 tickets for a game, that stadium would look empty, but im sure that 44,00 fills up a lacrosse stadium.
Lacrosse will NEVER be a major sport in America, and will never sell out a huge stadium like Neyland stadium
Actually, they sold out M&T Bank Stadium, and are in the process of selling out Foxboro this year.
#82 by Jason L on 11.26.07 12:56 pm |
I’m kind of wondering why people who frequent a site discussing the extreme minutiae of sports uniforms are talking smack about a sport because it’s too obscure.
If we can have entire threads talking about someone missing a flag sticker from a helmet, then I think we can certainly talk about a sport that’s extremely popular in some circles (and is one of the few truly original American sports).
Meanwhile, I can’t believe that my first post here was defending lacrosse, of all things.
#83 by Rich on 11.26.07 12:59 pm |
I will go to my grave believing that LT is faking whatever affliction is allowing him to wear that tinted visor. If he so sensetive, why is his helmut off whenever he is on the sidelines.
Stay classy, LT!!
#84 by J on 11.26.07 1:00 pm |
although the logo itself was revealed here quite a while ago, the Mets unveiled the “Salute to Shea” logo and initiative today
http://newyork.mets....
#85 by DrBear on 11.26.07 1:03 pm |
On Raymond Berry’s goggles – I remember reading as a young boy (The NFL Punt, Pass and Kick Library!) that Berry only used the goggles in certain stadiums, notably Kezar in San Fran and the L.A. Memorial Coliseum. Both if I remember correctly are laid out east-west and the sun was more of a problem there than in most other places.
#86 by Kevin on 11.26.07 1:17 pm |
Interesting pictures here. Midwest City wore gold shoes (presumably spray painted) but it still wasn’t enough to stop Jenks who will be playing for their 12th State Championship in Oklahoma 6A football.
http://www.jenkstroj...
#87 by Ash on 11.26.07 1:23 pm |
Ash said:
I’ve noticed that Ben Roethlisberger only seems to wear a glove on his non-throwing hand. I’m sure other quarterbacks do this too but I didn’t find any in a brief search.
#88 by xyz on 11.26.07 1:23 pm |
Paul,
That Packers mask is made out of stainless steel by Riddell. In the mid 70’s Riddell tried to copy some of the Schutt masks but with little success as most teams stayed with Schutt (steel) or Dunguard (aluminum).
#89 by josh's twin on 11.26.07 1:27 pm |
if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?
what am i missing?
here’s the story:
jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.
last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.
six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).
This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.
For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.
Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.
#90 by Tim on 11.26.07 1:29 pm |
spencer096 said:
I thought it might have been because of the throwbacks also, but then i noticed Heiden wearing the Schutt Ion (which he wore last week also). I guess the announcers in the BAL game mentioned Winslow was wearing the Revo because of the physical Ravens D.
Anyways, about K2’s stripes…here’s another pic, i dont see any stripes…
http://sports.yahoo....
He wears black tape over his shoes and ankles, and leaves a little bit of white tape showing. Seen here.
http://sports.yahoo....
Maybe that’s the stripe you saw?
#91 by spencer096 on 11.26.07 1:39 pm |
tim…
Checked out a few more pics. you were right. i guess i was thinking the sock was the stripe and his socks were below the tape. good call.
#92 by Jack on 11.26.07 1:43 pm |
I dont understand why this turned into a debate about lacrosse, or why i’m defending it, i think paul will see that the quirks involving Lax uniforms are pretty noteworthy. I mean 5 different styles of helmet! What other sport has that?
#93 by Tim on 11.26.07 1:52 pm |
spencer,
Here’s the money shot….
http://assets.housto...
All sock or tape. I thought he might have went ’small stripe’ but i knew i didnt see anything prominent.
Isnt it nice to be splitting hairs over stuff like this instead of talking about who’s going to be the QB. They’re 7-4!!!
#94 by Slam on 11.26.07 1:54 pm |
Hockey also has a multitude of helmet styles.
#95 by David on 11.26.07 1:57 pm |
Jordan said:
The 5 is close to Futura, but the six is completely different. Notice the 6 on the Browns’ helmets curves down at the top…Futura’s 6 doesn’t curve. I’ve looked through all the fonts I have on my computer, and the closest I can find (which is still off) is Prestige Elite. It’s the only I’ve found with the I haven’t found a 4 on one of the throwback helmets, but the 4 in this font looks strange, so I doubt it corresponds in that way. It’s probably some custom font anyway.
#96 by furrymunsters on 11.26.07 2:02 pm |
josh’s twin said:
While I agree with you about Brad Park, Leetch did win a cup with the Rangers after 54 years.
#97 by Stuby on 11.26.07 2:08 pm |
josh’s twin said:
Teams obviously have different criteria for retiring numbers. Some have a Hall of Fame requirement (SF Giants, Red Sox), and some will retire numbers of guys who only play a few years with them (Devil Rays, Padres). Some teams, like the Raiders, don’t retire numbers at all (so you get Todd Marinovich wearing Kenny Stabler’s #12 – a travesty). I don’t know what the Rangers requirements are, but it does seem kind of random sometimes.
One thing I hate, though, is retiring a ‘jersey’ instead of retiring a number, meaning the number is still in circulation. How noncommittal is that?
#98 by Philly Bill on 11.26.07 2:10 pm |
Stuby said:
So #25 will remain in circulation in San Francisco for the foreseeable future, evidently.
#99 by josh's twin on 11.26.07 2:11 pm |
if chris long’s jersey was retired by uva just this saturday, why did it take an entire nfl career (and a hall of fame one at that) by tiki barber to get his retired as well that day?
what am i missing?
here’s the story:
jersey retirement is a new level of recognition at Virginia to honor players who have significantly impacted the program and Long and Barber are the first football players to be honored in this way…individuals recognized in this way will have their jerseys retired, but their number will remain active.
last november the UVa athletics department retired the jersey of basketball player Curtis Staples during the halftime ceremonies of the opening of John Paul Jones Arena.
six virginia players have had their uniform numbers retired and those numbers will not be worn again…those numbers honor the most decorated players in the program’s history, including Jim Dombrowski (73), Bill Dudley (35), Gene Edmonds (97), Shawn Moore (12), Joe Palumbo (48) and Frank Quayle (24).
This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.
For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.
Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.
While I agree with you about Brad Park, Leetch did win a cup with the Rangers after 54 years.
So did Stephane Matteau. Is that the standard?
#100 by todd krevanchi on 11.26.07 2:13 pm |
compared to barbers accomplishments, chris long’s are quite pedestrian. i cant see the comparison…
#101 by Neil on 11.26.07 2:17 pm |
This reminds me of something I posted on several weeks ago. I’m not sure if it’s to sell tickets, or create buzz, or what, but it seems that teams are creating more lax standards for number retirement than in previous generations, and as numbers cycle, older players get the shaft.
For years Rod Gilbert’s #7 was the only retired Ranger. After Phil Esposito retired, (like anyone was going to wear #77 anyway) the Rangers began retiring numbers.
Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.
I think hockey actually has some standards when it comes to retiring numbers. Park played 7 seasons and a bit of an 8th for the Rangers and won no post-season awards. Leetch played 17 seasons for the Rangers. Calder Trophy, Norris Trophy (2x) and Conn Smythe. And, oh yeah, the Stanley Cup. I never thought Park should’ve been traded to Boston, and if he hadn’t been, I’ll bet the #2 would already be in the rafters and we’d be retiring a different # for Leetch.
#102 by Shane on 11.26.07 2:18 pm |
Josh Petty said:
I didn’t notice that because I only saw a few minutes of the game, but my guess is that the player had gotten blood on his shirt and had to put on a spare. I remember it happening to someone from Man United last season (either Ryan Giggs or Cristiano Ronaldo), and they wore a NNOB #50 shirt for the rest of the half.
What I did notice is that Chelsea’s aways are pretty much the same color as the EPL’s winter ball. How is that legal? Nevermind that day-glo yellow should only be worn by construction workers. Bleh.
#103 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 2:22 pm |
Shane said:
or ducks
#104 by nomuskles on 11.26.07 2:24 pm |
Last night’s game between Villanova and NC State (which seemed to be a thriller) featured a player with no name on the back of his jersey for Villanova. He did have a cut above his eye, so maybe he had bloodied his primary jersey and had to wear a replacement. Not sure.
I believe the player in question was was Dante Cunningham, and he usually wears #33. However, when I saw the game, he was sporting #31 with no name.
I can’t seem to find a picture. Anyone else see that?
#105 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 2:24 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
because Tiki is a loud moth egomaniac.
#106 by Jack Krabbe on 11.26.07 2:25 pm |
Did LT have another different helmet on Sunday vs. the Ravens?
#107 by Jack Krabbe on 11.26.07 2:26 pm |
Jack Krabbe said:
http://signonsandieg...
#108 by Seth H on 11.26.07 2:28 pm |
Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.
Leetch’s number is not retired yet. It will be retired on January 24, 2008.
And let me echo the sentiments of those who have pointed out that that there is quite a difference between Leetch, one of the top-3 US-born NHL players of all time, with all of his achievements with the Rangers, and Brad Park. Leetch is #2 all time in games with the Rangers, #2 in points, #9 in goals, #1 in assists.
#109 by dm00n on 11.26.07 2:32 pm |
More shades:
Image link
dm00n said:
- Detroit News
#110 by spencer096 on 11.26.07 2:33 pm |
Tim…it absolutely is, and I couldn’t be happier and the throwbacks were absolutely gorgeous yesterday.
#111 by josh's twin on 11.26.07 2:38 pm |
Recently, the Rangers retired #2 for Brian Leetch, and while I take nothing away from leetch, because he was a great player, #2 was worn with equal, if not greater distinction by Brad Park a generation earlier. Because of shifting standards, #2 is Leetch’s for all time, and Brad Park gets bubkas. Sick and wrong.
Leetch’s number is not retired yet. It will be retired on January 24, 2008.
And let me echo the sentiments of those who have pointed out that that there is quite a difference between Leetch, one of the top-3 US-born NHL players of all time, with all of his achievements with the Rangers, and Brad Park. Leetch is #2 all time in games with the Rangers, #2 in points, #9 in goals, #1 in assists.
My point was not to compare Leetch to Park, it was to point out that if the Rangers are retiring numbers, Brad Park deserves it. Maybe Brian Leetch should have worn #3. If the Yankees can retire #8 twice, why not the Rangers and #2?
#112 by Brian from Short Island on 11.26.07 2:39 pm |
LI Phil said:
US vs. Mexico sells out football stadiums wherever you put it. (Most recently Cardinals Stadium in February)
The MLS Cup final (at DC, a neutral site for the Houston v. New England matchup) drew 40,000
Red Bulls v. Los Angeles sold 65,000 tickets.
And these attendance figures are for the 4th or 5th sport in America. Look at it around the world, where soccer dominates and lacrosse is nowhere to be seen.
Get a grip, lacrosse will never even approach soccer.
#113 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 2:47 pm |
josh’s twin said:
Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.
#114 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 2:52 pm |
what about teams that retire a number of a player who never even PLAYED for that team?
im thinking #42 & #99
#115 by Kerry P on 11.26.07 2:53 pm |
Jack said:
I’m totally with you. Whether you think the sport is terrible or not, why should that affect the coverage of lacrosse unis/equipment on this site. Obviously everyone has their “comfort zones” and Paul may not pay attention to lacrosse that much. But I’m sure if people can submit him information on very unique or groundbreaking uni designs he would be more than happy to include it in his ticker and maybe, one day, devote a full entry to the sport.
Personally, I LOVE seeing the different helmets and how they are decorated…that’s what I look at most on football unis and that’s why I LOVE college hockey. Their helmets are much better looking than the NHL.
#116 by Thorold Blair on 11.26.07 2:57 pm |
Jason L said:
Did you just refer to lacrosse as an original American sport??
#117 by Kek on 11.26.07 2:58 pm |
Because the Rangers and (Rangers fans) only remember 1994. Nothing that happened before and nothing that has happened since.
That’s because nothing HAS happened before or since ‘94!!!!!
#118 by Jeff P on 11.26.07 3:00 pm |
Jack said:
Hockey. different brands make different styles, and there are several brands. RBK, Bauer, CCM, now Easton, Warrior…. The differences aren’t incredibly noticeable, but they’re there.
I consider Football strange in that it has so few…
#119 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 3:02 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
native american that is
/did you just question his fanhood in front of the ladies?
#120 by todd krevanchi on 11.26.07 3:03 pm |
although it was in a different era, i believe the cosmos averaged mid 40’s in attendance per game for about 5 years during the height of their popularity…
pretty significant numbers…
#121 by Thorold Blair on 11.26.07 3:03 pm |
LI Phil said:
If by native american you mean Canadian… then ok.
#122 by MLB2PDX on 11.26.07 3:03 pm |
This coming Saturday the nation will see the ugliest football game ever. Literally. The Civil War…Oregon State at Oregon. The two worst uniforms in the history of sports (well, close). On top of that, both teams are decimated by injuries and the play will be horrible. Oregon wins 6-3. In a game like back in the 80’s when the winner got to two wins that season…
(this has been a hard end of the season to watch as a Duck fan)
#123 by dgc on 11.26.07 3:06 pm |
LI Phil said:
Teams didn’t have a choice on those two numbers.
My problem are unofficial retired, not even honored, numbers. What exactly are the Redskins waiting for? They must have a dozen or so (only Sammy Baugh’s 33 is retired) numbers that they won’t reuse.
#124 by C.N. on 11.26.07 3:06 pm |
Jack said:
I watched that game in Baltimore last year. If they really did sell out, as you said they did, there were a LOT of empty seats. Any proof they actually sold out M&T?
#125 by Mike on 11.26.07 3:11 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
A version of it was played by Native Americans before the europeans came with all their manifest destiny. So I guess you could say it is THE original American sport.
#126 by Thorold Blair on 11.26.07 3:12 pm |
Mike said:
Did you just say “American” sport?
#127 by Kerry P on 11.26.07 3:15 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
The game was invented by Native North Americans and then named lacrosse by French missionaries. In the 1830’s a French doctor codified the game, shortened the length of the game and reduced the number of on-field players to 10 per team.
Lacrosse
#128 by Mike on 11.26.07 3:15 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
Haha, well it is the national summer sport of Canada too. So the classic NORTH AMERICAN sport. That please you, Thorold?
#129 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 3:17 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
/does your fanhood need questioning?
#130 by Thorold Blair on 11.26.07 3:17 pm |
Mike said:
I just love the American way of trying to stake claim to darn near everything sports related. But yes.. it does. Thanks
#131 by Jim on 11.26.07 3:21 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
Hey, I’m Alaskan…definitely identify more with Canada more then the lower 48, eh?
#132 by Chance on 11.26.07 3:25 pm |
LI Phil said:
The NFL did that for a while. It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
#133 by JD on 11.26.07 3:25 pm |
#106, 107: Your link didn’t work for me, but it looked to me like LT had on the same helmet as always:
http://assets.espn.g...
#134 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 3:25 pm |
Kek said:
That’s because nothing HAS happened before or since ‘94!!!!!
Nothing except for 3 cups on my side of the river.
#135 by C.N. on 11.26.07 3:26 pm |
C.N. said:
At about 4:35 of this video you can see that at the critical juncture of the game, the entire upper deck at the stadium is empty. Doesn’t look sold out.
http://youtube.com/w...
#136 by Jimbo on 11.26.07 3:27 pm |
This may have been covered earlier, but does anyone have any photos of when the Browns were to have worn the throwbacks orginally? Alledgedly they wore them from ‘57-’60, but i can’t find any pics of them wearing them in a game.
#137 by Broker75 on 11.26.07 3:28 pm |
Marty Met said:
Nothing except for 3 cups on my side of the river.
Devils?
#138 by Shane on 11.26.07 3:29 pm |
timmy b said:
Ah, yes, I know Sam Huff. All right, so I wasn’t as bad off as I thought.
#139 by subway on 11.26.07 3:32 pm |
Marty Met said:
Nothing except for 3 cups on my side of the river.
Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?
#140 by Rick on 11.26.07 3:34 pm |
MLB2PDX said:
If Oregon’s gonna win, it’ll probably have to be 4-3.
#141 by Nicole on 11.26.07 3:37 pm |
MMMMM Salt Lick! Make sure you buy some bottles of sauce to take home with you! I actually have a friend send me some each month!
#142 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 3:39 pm |
subway said:
Don’t the Mets and Rangers play on the same side of the river?
the Devils don’t.
#143 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 3:41 pm |
subway said:
the mets play on long island
the rangers play between the hudson (the river to which marty is referring) and the east rivers
#144 by Broker75 on 11.26.07 3:45 pm |
LI Phil said:
The Mets play on Long Island? Don’t they play in Queens?
#145 by Anthony Verna on 11.26.07 3:47 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
Besides Tiki not having a hall-of-fame career or being smug and self-centered? Beats me. :)
#146 by wall of beef on 11.26.07 3:47 pm |
Nothing makes you look more like a meathead when you claim sports like Soccer or Lacrosse are boring. Especially if you think Baseball is exciting.
Just because you don’t LIKE the sport, has nothing to do with the amount of Action. Baseball features the least amount of action I can think of right now in sports outside of Bowling or Golf.
Just admit you don’t understand the game, and what exactly makes it exciting. I guearantee Soccer fans have a lot more to stand on when it comes to excitment/boring arguments when comparing Baseball/Soccer.
#147 by Kerry P on 11.26.07 3:48 pm |
I don’t know about everyone else, but I think that THESE would be a huge improvement over THESE.
#148 by Danny on 11.26.07 3:48 pm |
I go to UVA and can attest that Chris Long is viewed as some sort of immortal. I have to admit that after watching him for two years, he is the most dominating defensive lineman I have seen in person. He does it all, and is extremely involved with the student section. Was the ceremony a little premature? Probably, but he is the best player to come through here since Tiki.
Also, the Heat have 23 retired for His Airness. Kind of funny because it isn’t a league wide thing. Riles felt it was necessary.
#149 by C.N. on 11.26.07 3:50 pm |
Broker75 said:
yes, they do
#150 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 3:52 pm |
Broker75 said:
last i checked, queens (flushing to be precise) was still on long island
#151 by Anthony Verna on 11.26.07 3:54 pm |
Broker75 said:
The borough of Queens is on the land mass called Long Island. In common parlance “Long Island” means Nassau or Suffolk Counties in New York State, but Brooklyn and Queens are also on that land mass.
#152 by adam on 11.26.07 4:02 pm |
Jack said:
#153 by adam on 11.26.07 4:03 pm |
Jack said:
Those UMass uni’s are at least 5 years old, probably older. Those are the same tube socks they give you at the gym here when you get a locker.
#154 by Broker75 on 11.26.07 4:06 pm |
LI Phil said:
Queens politically is part of New York City, though geographically they are on the island. so quit going in circles..
#155 by adam on 11.26.07 4:06 pm |
players dont even really wear high socks anymore. I don’t know if it has to do with the fact that we recently switched to Adidas.
#156 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 4:07 pm |
adam said:
or that my HS lax team was wearing in 1982
/just sayin’
#157 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 4:09 pm |
Broker75 said:
it still doesn’t change the fact that the Rangers win the cup once every 60 years.
#158 by Josh Petty on 11.26.07 4:15 pm |
Shane said:
That’s quite possible, I didn’t see the game early. I think I started watching about 20-30 minutes in.
#159 by Pat on 11.26.07 4:18 pm |
I’ve heard this sentiment expressed a few times. The fact that some NFL teams retire jerseys or honor players instead of retiring their number, so it could not be used again. To me, it’s fairly obvious why it’s not common to see numbers retired in the NFL. I don’t know of any except for Pat Tillman’s #40.
There are 54 players on an NFL team. Which means you need 54 available numbers. Plus I’m pretty sure everyone on here knows about the number restrictions placed on positions. Quarterbacks can wear 1-19, Wide Receivers and tight ends can wear 11-19 and 80-89, running backs 20-49, etc. What happens if a team starts retiring numbers. Like, say the Patriots retired Stanley Morgan (86) and Ben Coates (87). This would leave 11-19, 80-85, 88 and 89 for receivers and tight ends, thats 16 available numbers. The Patriots have 9 players eligible for those numbers, probably 10 when Troy Brown is activated. But, Tom Brady wears number 12 and Matt Cassel wears 16 so that’s 14 available numbers now. Say 3 of those players are injured and placed on IR for the season and the patriots are forced to pick up 3 players in their place. That means that of those 16 available numbers to their wide receivers, tight ends and quarterbacks, they have 13 now wearing those numbers.
And this is for the Patriots who don’t have a great history of receivers or players in general who deserve their numbers retired.
What happens when a team sets a precedent for retiring numbers and then a few more players come along and far surpass that precedent. Are you (1) not retiring those numbers because then there wouldn’t be enough available or (2) un-retiring the old numbers to free up some space.
I say, in the NFL, the only numbers that get retired are for people like Tillman who have clearly done something beyond the realm of just being a great player. He’s the only one I can think of right now, though.
#160 by ryan c #40 on 11.26.07 4:21 pm |
Lacrosse=Ice Hockey??? Please, no! NOTHING is Ice Hockey!
Lacrosse=Dek Hockey… Thats more like it!
#161 by Broker75 on 11.26.07 4:25 pm |
Some love for the New Jersey Devils: The team was renamed the New Jersey Devils on June 30, 1982. Over 10,000 people voted in a contest held by local newspapers to select the name, which is influenced by the legend of the Jersey Devil said to inhabit the Pine Barrens in southern New Jersey.
#162 by Original Jim on 11.26.07 4:25 pm |
David said:
The closest font is NCAA Gothic. It was used by many football and basketball teams in the late 50’s/early 60’s. It’s currently used by UNH football and Xavier basketball, among others. The helmet font is a slightly less bold version of that font. Download any Nike uniform catalog and you can see it in all its humanist glory.
#163 by Rick on 11.26.07 4:33 pm |
Broker75 said:
I did not know about the “Jersey Devil” I wondered why that name was selected when the Rockies moved there.
#164 by Chance on 11.26.07 4:37 pm |
Pat said:
There ought be a middle ground, for teams to properly honor their legacy.
The Yankees, IMO, retire numbers too easily. The history is undeniable, but come on. They have no single digits left to issue.
I prefer what the Packers do – you have to be not only a great player, but one of the dominant players of your era. A true titan of the game.
21 Hall of Famers (soon to be 22), but only 5 retired numbers (soon to be 6). Just about right.
#165 by Shane on 11.26.07 4:37 pm |
Pat said:
There’s actually a lot of retired numbers. Hell, my 49ers (I do know that kind of football: bad) have 10 I can think of, including Montana, Brodie, Perry, Johnson, Lott, Clark, et al.
Here’s a complete list of retired numbers in the NFL.
#166 by Shane on 11.26.07 4:41 pm |
Chance said:
And as for the Packers policy, I second that notion. Shit, look at the Bills: the only number they’ve retired is Jim Kelly’s. I first had my attention drawn to their retired numbers (or lack thereof) while watching the Pats/Bills game last Sunday and noticed that 83 was still out there.
#167 by Pat on 11.26.07 4:42 pm |
Chance said:
I actually think what the Cowboys do is perfect. I hate the Cowboys, but the Ring of Honor (is that what they call it?) seems like a good way to pay tribute. To me, a truly great player comes along once in a lifetime, someone like Bill Russell, if someone ever wore 6 on the Celtics again I would flip my lid, same with 33 in green. But I wouldn’t care if someone wore 31 (Cedric Maxwell) or 3 (Dennis Johnson).
I am not all that familiar with Packers history, but I find it hard to imagine that they could have had more than 2 or 3 players that absolutely transcended the sport.
#168 by Bendert on 11.26.07 4:45 pm |
First things first, prayers out to Sean Taylor and his family. An interesting thing though: On the ESPN coverage they show Taylor wearing number 36. After looking over some photos, he usually wears number 21as far as I could see, except for a game against Dallas. Is there any known explanation?
#169 by Bendert on 11.26.07 4:46 pm |
Also, is anyone having any difficulty accessing the site? I keep getting a message saying “Come back later” and the tab says website coming soon. Is this just me?
#170 by Pat on 11.26.07 4:47 pm |
Shane said:
Wow, I guess NFL teams have looser number retiring standards than I thought, and hoped. Especially my pats. Beyond John Hannah and Gino Cappelletti I don’t see any that are really worth it.
#171 by Shane on 11.26.07 4:48 pm |
Pat said:
Can’t believe I’m sticking up for the Packers but they haven’t even retired Paul Hornung’s number, which, I feel, is a testament to the numbers that have been. You’re talking about a team that, along with the Bears, dominated the NFL from its inception until the dawn of the 70’s.
#172 by Ryan on 11.26.07 4:49 pm |
elliott said:
While we’re at it, did the teal color in the Fins’ unis, helmets and facemasks get darker sometime between the mid-early 90’s and present-day teal? See comparisons here:
and here:
#173 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 4:51 pm |
which single digit yankees…besides martin…who wouldn’t you retire? dickey/berra?
#174 by Ryan on 11.26.07 4:53 pm |
#175 by Ryan on 11.26.07 4:57 pm |
Sorry for the clutter, but the first link to the early 90’s Fins teal was disallowed by its host site. Try this one to compare to Ricky, above, and see if you can tell the teal is different.
http://www.danmarino...
#176 by Marty Met on 11.26.07 5:08 pm |
Pat said:
As a Jets fan I hate the Patriots but if you’re not going to retire John Hannah’s number than you’re not going to retire anyone’s.
#177 by Bill on 11.26.07 5:21 pm |
As a general rule I can’t stand Nike’s college football templates, but for some reason these are growing on me (if only the gold could match up.)
link>
#178 by Bill on 11.26.07 5:22 pm |
#179 by Bill on 11.26.07 5:23 pm |
http://scores.espn.g...
#180 by Giancarlo on 11.26.07 5:32 pm |
elliott said:
Perhaps you’re looking at it backwards. What you call the “white ‘road’ jersey” is what the Dolphins normally wear at home. They’re generally forced to wear it on the road since opponents will usually opt for colored jerseys. With the Dolphins appearing in white far more often than in aqua & orange combined, the white with aqua bar should be considered the Miami template. You can’t put an aqua bar on an aqua jersey, hence the stripe variation.
#181 by Jack on 11.26.07 5:43 pm |
Thorold Blair said:
Get your facts straight! Lacrosse was invented by Native North Americans. Its name was dehuntshigwa’es in Onondaga (”men hit a rounded object”), da-nah-wah’uwsdi in Eastern Cherokee (”little war”), Tewaarathon in Mohawk language (”little brother of war”), and baaga`adowe in Ojibwe (”knocking about of balls”). However it was played much more predominantly in the southern part of what is now the united states, due to early freezings in what is now canada. open your mind man!
#182 by David on 11.26.07 5:49 pm |
Mike said:
Well, no one else has quoted this post…
Every player needs to wear a flag decal on the back of the helmet (as you can see here); however, some players like LT, Chambers, and Clark go without it. So, Paul is kinda obsessed when a player plays without a decal. You can see the LT and Chambers pics in the past Monday blogs.
#183 by Paul Lukas on 11.26.07 5:54 pm |
David said:
I’m fairly certain I’m not the only one.
#184 by dillon on 11.26.07 5:56 pm |
# 106
LT unfortunately was sporting the same helmet
#185 by Jack on 11.26.07 5:57 pm |
MORE LAX SOCKS
more sweet
lacrosse socks. even sweeter than the others (Princeton)
Brown
Maryland
#186 by David S. on 11.26.07 5:59 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
Don’t worry Paul, I am with you. Especially after talking to Rob Recker, the decal heat from the NFL should fall directly in the lap of the Chargers’ Equipment Manager… That is unless the player himself removed it, and in that case I am even more intrigued by it.
#187 by Alan #44 on 11.26.07 6:08 pm |
The Rangers will retire Leetch’s # 2 in January. After they retired #7, they retired #1 for Eddie Giacomin. Since then they retired 35 for Mike Richter and 11 for Messier. I dont understand why they didnt retire any of the numbers for the legendary Patrick family (9 and 11 , I believe). Also, John Davidson brought us lots of joy between the pipes for them. And I have heard the name Andy Bathgate quite often.
In about 20 years, we will see Henrik Lundqvist’s #30 hanging from the rafters.
#188 by dillon on 11.26.07 6:19 pm |
justin fargas should remember to examine his zipper next time he plays
#189 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 11.26.07 6:25 pm |
Bendert said:
i believe fred smoot was on the redskins and wore 21 during taylors rookie year.
#190 by elliott on 11.26.07 6:35 pm |
Giancarlo said:
Agreed sir, (hence why road was in quote marks).
But either way, it’s been done for a reason.
And while we’re on the subject, Miami also have a ring of honour thing set up. We have 3 jerseys retired (guess…) but about 9 people on the honour roll (inc Joe Robbie and the 72 team)
#191 by elliott on 11.26.07 6:46 pm |
Another question regarding helmet decals.
I’m English. If I somehow put on 100lb of muscle and grew 8 inches and managed to sneak into the NFL, would I have to wear the stars and stripes or could I have a St George’s cross (England) decal?
If it’s the latter, we got any pictures of any English (or foreign in general) folk doing so?
#192 by Will on 11.26.07 6:46 pm |
Lets just say that someone here might not know what FNOB and NNOB stand for.
Maybe someone should fill them in.
#193 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 6:48 pm |
FNOB=first name on back
NNOB=no name on back
/NFL=american flag mate
#194 by elliott on 11.26.07 6:56 pm |
NOB discussion
#195 by David S. on 11.26.07 6:56 pm |
elliott said:
To my knowledge it is the exact same rule as MLB, American flag.
#196 by David S. on 11.26.07 6:57 pm |
LI Phil said:
Full name on back.
#197 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 7:01 pm |
David S. said:
yeah…my bad
i is a idiot
#198 by elliott on 11.26.07 7:06 pm |
You said it!
:-)
#199 by Frankie on 11.26.07 7:13 pm |
Why is it that I am so annoyed by the color change in the pant stripe for the Vikings, but not for the Cardinals? The one that bothers me the most, however, is the Bengals. The damn white stripe pisses me off more than almost any other uniform aspect in the NFL today. The side of the jersey should be the same color as the main color of the jersey, like it is on the white one. That, and the top two tiger stripes on the pants should be black like the rest of them, not white.
#200 by noonan on 11.26.07 7:16 pm |
I love the vintage pics, especially when there is a story behind them. When possible, I tie them into whatever time period we are studying in my history classes (it’s hard because of the internet filter we have blocks this site).
With the story about miners’ teams, I was trying to find team pictures online that I have seen in person from mine teams in Michigan’s UP or even lumber mills in NE WI and the UP. No luck.
I was also looking for pictures of the baseball team formed from Mount Rushmore workers. Not much time available right now, no luck.
I did find this remarkable story and picture.
The site also links to more early baseball pictures.
#201 by David S. on 11.26.07 7:25 pm |
Frankie said:
Well, the two pant stripes you are talking about is the slow progression into the white side panel. If the side panel went so would the white pant stripes. Also while we are on the subject, the uniform combo in that picture will likely not be seen again since the team greatly prefers this look to the orange on black. Of course the team favors the black on black combo most of all, so we will be seeing that more and more as time goes on.
#202 by Danny on 11.26.07 7:38 pm |
elliott said:
In the late 90’s, not sure which exactly, the dolphins darkened their teal, added navy, and changed the logo. The navy jerseys were maybe going to be introduced as the alternates, bit the orange ones were picked instead. they were voted one of the ugliest jerseys in sports and havent been worn since. i i think that the orange ones were chosen because the hurricanes jersey is so popular around town. they were pretty hard on the eyes.
#203 by JJD on 11.26.07 7:39 pm |
Marty Met said:
I’m fairly shocked they haven’t retired Andre Tippett’s #56 and Stanley Morgan’s #86.
#204 by Stevo on 11.26.07 7:45 pm |
elliott said:
NFL players wear the American flag on their helmets, no matter where you’re from. CFL players wear the Maple Leaf on their helmets, no matter where they’re from.
#205 by Stuby on 11.26.07 7:45 pm |
There’s a commercial running these days for EA Madden 08 with the Redskins and an old lady dressed up in a Redskins uniform. She’s wearing #33, which is retired for Sammy Baugh. I always wonder if things like that are done on purpose or do they really not have a clue that the number is retired.
#206 by TK on 11.26.07 7:57 pm |
So I’ve always thought that FNOB was dumb looking, and I also have always thought the “First and Second initial” thing like “Br. Smith” was dumb looking – after all, the players are wearing numbers?
All season University of Washington CB Roy Lewis has been doing something I’ve never seen nor had the chance to find a photo of until now. Roy isn’t the only Husky who’s name is “R. Lewis”, but rather than go with “Ro. Lewis” (which I believe he may have done in past seasons but of which I can’t find visual proof) or FNOB, he’s elected to go with “RY. Lewis”. I can see why (it looks cooler), but it also drives me nuts because “RY.” looks wrong to me. It’s not technically an abbreviation, is it?
Anyway, has anyone seen this before? (Caution: Lots of purple involved)
#207 by TK on 11.26.07 7:59 pm |
Or I could include the link…
#208 by TK on 11.26.07 8:01 pm |
Oh for the love…
#209 by Christopher on 11.26.07 8:41 pm |
TK said:
Anything can be an abbreviation. I could abbreviate my name Chrstphr.
Technically abbreviations are made by taking the vowels out of a word, so “Ry” works.
That doesn’t mean it isn’t stupid, though. If I saw that and didn’t know his name, I’d think it was “Rye” or “Rydell” or something.
#210 by EFitch on 11.26.07 8:41 pm |
Jack said:
those u mass ones are a thing of beauty i love the maroon and white stripes
#211 by Christopher on 11.26.07 8:41 pm |
Wow, how did I do than? Sorry. Closing link…
#212 by Christopher on 11.26.07 8:43 pm |
elliott said:
I doubt it. The American flag, I assume, is there because its an American based sport. Has nothing to do with the player.
#213 by elliott on 11.26.07 9:06 pm |
Cool.
Anyone noticed Joey Porters jersey tonight? The 5 is really weird (both of them). They are really scrunched up.
Weird!
#214 by dennis on 11.26.07 9:14 pm |
Numbering every 5 yards like they do at LSU is stupid, unnecessary, and makes the field look weird.
#215 by dennis on 11.26.07 9:16 pm |
…like this
LSU’s Tiger Stadium
#216 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 9:36 pm |
dennis said:
of course, in the case of heinz field, numbering the lines AT ALL would be nice
#217 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 9:39 pm |
of course, in the case of heinz field, numbering the lines AT ALL would be nice
sorry about the tags
#218 by Stevo on 11.26.07 9:50 pm |
LI Phil said:
Can’t blame Stadium Operations for the monsoon that has descended on Pittsburgh. I remember the same thing happening a few years back at Arrowhead, it rained so hard on Sunday Night that it washed away enough paint to expose the painted-on college names from the game the night before.
#219 by HUS on 11.26.07 10:02 pm |
LI Phil said:
this is close enough, Wade Boggs retired # in Tampa…pitiful
#220 by BS on 11.26.07 10:03 pm |
I just thought of a genius alternative to wearing glasses on the field (Bob Griese)
Corrective visors!
Stop Nike from stealing this idea!
#221 by =bg= on 11.26.07 10:04 pm |
is it just me, or does Heinz Field look empty? Or are those yellow seats full of people.
#222 by Stevo on 11.26.07 10:09 pm |
BS said:
I think most NFL’ers are going with laser corrective surgery to avoid wearing the Eric Dickerson-type goggles. Also, I think it would be too hard to get a proper correction factor with a piece of plastic that far from the eyes.
#223 by The Hemogoblin on 11.26.07 10:18 pm |
MLB2PDX said:
They call that the toilet bowl, the last 0-0 tie in college. And it had nothing to do with good defense.
#224 by Jordan on 11.26.07 10:22 pm |
BS said:
Contacts? Lasex?
(McFly?)
#225 by Jeff P on 11.26.07 10:49 pm |
Off topic, but on NHL.com they have a story on the start of the NHL here Here
Best part? The picture of the Montreal Wanderers at the top of the article. Ugly things, Aren’t they?
#226 by Jeff P on 11.26.07 10:50 pm |
Or I could post a visible link…
#227 by LI Phil on 11.26.07 11:14 pm |
anyone who has “0″ and “0″ for their box is happier than the proverbial pig in $h!t tonight
#228 by Casey (Davis, CA) on 11.26.07 11:16 pm |
Good lord. So much Lax talk tonight…Lacrosse’s legitimacy vs Lacrosse’s origin vs Sock-wearing habits of regional Lax teams.
Good grief. Lax is indeed a niche sport that is enjoyed by the affluent. It’s polo without horses. I wish I was elite enough to play as a kid, because there are copious amounts of Lacrosstitutes willing to do anything and everything for their rubber ball-hurling heroes.
There is a reason why it is the only NCAA sport that has the D1, D2, and D3 championship at the same venue…it’s just not that popular elsewhere in the country. It’s easy to sell out when you force spectators from 6 different universities to buy tix for all 3 games…
With that being said, it is an exciting game with lots of goals. There is a good deal of strategy as well. Unfortunately, it suffers the same fate as Ice Hockey…moronic American fans have difficulty following the ball/puck.
Speaking of Ice Hockey, what do you people think of this uniform?:
http://www.geocities...
#229 by Abe on 11.26.07 11:23 pm |
I just started watching the MNF game, so I don’t know if this has been noticed, but does Roethlisberger have a built-in handwarmer in his jersey tonight? It looked like it when I saw him a couple minutes ago. I remember Tim Couch doing this once.
#230 by Ryan on 11.27.07 12:09 am |
Shane said:
I don’t understand why Hornung’s number isn’t retired… Just read his wikipedia page, it’s absolutely fascinating how big of a impact he had on Packer’s football to the point that Vince Lombardi lobbied JFK to let him play for the Packers while serving in the army… That’s right, a 20 year-old is starting the “Retire #5″ campaign!!! :D
#231 by Skycat on 11.27.07 12:12 am |
David S. said:
The Bengals really overdo it with their stripes. I much prefer something like this.
http://www.ivysport....
#232 by Reed on 11.27.07 12:12 am |
big ben switched jerseys during the game, because he is seen wearing the normal jersey in the first link and a jersey with a built in hand warmer in the second. i remember brett favre used to use the built in hand warmer when i was younger…also, it seems that big ben and john beck both taped their ankles for the game…ben never does this, and beck did it mid-game, so im guessing that it helped because of the poor conditions…
normal
hand warmer
#233 by Vincent A. Cipollone on 11.27.07 12:23 am |
LI Phil said:
The Miami Heat retired #23 for Michael Jordan. I have no idea why but they hang a Bulls jersey somewhere in the boondocks of the AAA’s rafters.
#234 by Mike Engle on 11.27.07 12:31 am |
Vincent A. Cipollone said:
The Heat retired Jordan’s #23 so that the Heat could have a retired number, thus have a bit of “history.” Why #23 for Jordan? Jordan averaged about 30 ppg in the playoffs against the Heat, which is the most for an opposing player. Maybe some kind of reverse karma? I’m not sure.
The only other such example in the NBA is the New Orleans Hornets’ #7, for Pete Maravich. Pistol had nothing to do with the Hornets organization, but his number was retired upon relocation from Charlotte as a symbol of his ties to New Orleans professional basketball (read: the Jazz).
#235 by Glenn on 11.27.07 12:41 am |
Stevo said:
no, but you can blame the organization for having the WORST kept field in the NFL, and especially for a newer stadium, the quality of the turf at Heinz has been atrocious. I know they play a ton of Pitt Panthers games and high school games on that field, but every year by this time its torn to shreds. If they’re going to insist on using the field to death like that, they really need to consider FieldTurf.
#236 by Reed on 11.27.07 1:08 am |
Four high school games (the WPIAL Championships for the four classifications) and seven pitt home games are played on the field..that is only 11 more games..truly, it does not have anything to do with being a new stadium, as the turf is re-sodded for every season, if not multiple times during the season. (the farm the steelers got the sod from is re-sodding the browns stadium this week). the problem is the weather conditions in northern cities are pretty rough during the football season (rain, snow, etc)..the weather is what turns the grass into mud..even though the grass is classy and keeps an old school football feel, it may be time for the steelers to switch to some type of fieldturf (which they are looking into)
#237 by Glenn on 11.27.07 1:19 am |
With a newer stadium, the point being that the base under the field, the drainage system, and everything else should be state of the art; however, every year Heinz is torn up late in the season and having to be re-sodded, and part of the reason for that is weather, but alot of it is also the heavy use on the field, the beating the field is taking. The weather couldn’t have been worse, that’s a given, but look back every year, late in the season and/or playoffs. The field is an absolute mess. Almost as bad as a few years agao when the Patriots tried to resod the middle of the field (between the numbers) late in the year, and that ended up being pretty terrible also. Of course, now they have gone to FieldTurf, so here’s hoping the Steelers end up going that route.
#238 by Glenn on 11.27.07 1:24 am |
interesting, I just decided to do a search on FieldTurf, and found this article posted on their site, dated November 18 of this year. Last week :)
#239 by Glenn on 11.27.07 1:25 am |
#240 by Glenn on 11.27.07 1:27 am |
http://www.fieldturf...
ok, the URL instead
#241 by Mark on 11.27.07 7:04 am |
Natural turf with a professional groundskeeping staff should be able to withstand the kind of use that Heinz Field has (7 games in 11 days) – it’s not like they’re having practices out there. The problem with Heinz field’s turf is either a) crappy groundskeepers or b) (more likely) insufficiant subdrainage.
#242 by bighokie09 on 11.27.07 7:49 am |
R.I.P. Sean Taylor
#243 by Kek on 11.27.07 7:52 am |
dgc said:
That’s kind of like what the Steelers do. No one gets #12, #32, #58, #59 or #75 but the only offically retired numbers is Ernie Stautner’s #70. I wonder what the story is that they retired his and then felt the need the change up policy and not offically retire anything. The odd thing is that to my knowledge there is nowhere at Heinz Field where the #70 is honored but they have realy nice banners for the numbers Pitt has retired (granted they’re only up for Pitt games)
#244 by Kek on 11.27.07 7:53 am |
Kek said:
Forgot to mention, didn’t the Colts do something where they unretired numbers when they moved to Indy because they felt the numbers were only retired in Baltimore?
#245 by LI Phil on 11.27.07 7:59 am |
bighokie09 said:
:(
#246 by LI Phil on 11.27.07 7:59 am |
bighokie09 said:
:(
#247 by bighokie09 on 11.27.07 8:17 am |
LI Phil said:
Ugh, what the hell are we doing to ourselves… senseless. Again R.I.P. Sean Taylor
#248 by craig g on 11.27.07 9:11 am |
Pat said:
the ny giants retired #32 for a tackle that died in WWII
#249 by Aaron Levine on 11.27.07 11:31 am |
The video was from 1979 according to this article. hockeydb.com shows that in 1979, #22 was worn by someone else too on Nordiques, Gregg Tebutt.
josh’s twin said:
#250 by Joey Guns on 11.27.07 2:38 pm |
nomuskles said:
Yes, I mentioned this in yesterday’s comments, and I was told that because he got blood on his #33 jersey, the trainers gave him the #31 jersey with no name on the back, as a replacement. (PS – The game was Sunday night, not last night)
#251 by Joey Guns on 11.27.07 2:40 pm |
Oops, I meant to say “Refer to comment number 42 in the comments………
#252 by Bill Scheft on 11.28.07 11:00 pm |
Paul Stewart NNOB because he had just been brought up for that afternoon’s game. Got into 3, maybe 4 fights that day. Classic goon (21 games, 74 PIM), who ironically became legendary NHL referee.