New ESPN column today — here’s the link.
Meanwhile: Combine a boring blowout of a game, a high-def TV set, and the eagle eye of Joe Hilseberg, and what do you get? A serious uni-related revelation, as follows:
I’ve been thinking that the Ravens had changed the way their game jersey have been lettered by Reebok, but it wasn’t until I saw them play on Monday Night Football in HD that I could confirm it.
They’ve changed the order of the tackle twill layers. Normally, white or purple would be the top layer [depending on whether the number is for a home or road jersey], then the gold, and finally the black. This means the seamstress can sew the white/purple ahead of time (not attached to the jersey), then the entire number is placed on the jersey where the gold and the black are sewn.
But with this new technique, a gold outline is placed on top of the white/purple layer, which is then on top of the black. This means no sewing is done ahead of time. The entire number is put on the jersey, then both the inside and outside edges of the gold are sewn, and then the black. The white/purple layer is never sewn.
I have seen this technique before. I have a team-issued Maryland basketball jersey, made by Nike, that does the same thing with the lettering, but I don’t see the benefit in it. The only reason I can think of is that a seamstress is no longer necessary and they can go fully automated on an assembly line. The numbers could be computer-cut, applied to the jersey, and then sewn on by an embroidery machine that uses laser guides to make sure everything’s is lined up correctly. Eliminating the white/purple sewing process could speed up mass production, but it would be very troublesome for a small shop that customizes jerseys to replicate. I doubt any shop regularly uses this technique — not even NFLshop.com.
As many of you know, Joe used to work in the shop that does all the lettering for the Ravens and Orioles, so he knows what he’s talking about (plus you’ve gotta hand it to him for whipping up that little diagram). And as it happens, the folks at Liebe demonstrated this very technique for me when I visited them back in July. They were all proud of it and didn’t want me to talk about it, because they said it was a proprietary technique. Guess they’re not the only ones who’ve figured out how to do it.
Uni Watch News Ticker: High school sock-o-rama!: First, check out these, which are worn by El Modena High School in Orange, California (as spotted by Bryce Ashland). But that’s nothing compared to Laconia High in New Hampshire (great find by Erik Little). … Good primer on the role of red jerseys in Giants history here. As noted in the text, the Giants have previously paired the red jersey with both their home and away pants. They’ll be going with the aways this Sunday. And see that historical inset photo of Mel Hein, circa 1945? Here’s a larger version (dig that helmet!), plus a 1952 shot of Rosie Brown. … A huge variety of Pistons uniforms can be seen in this very short video clip (with thanks to Doug Mooney). … Here’s the latest on the Jaison Williams glove expletive story (with thanks to new Uni Watch bench coach Bryan Redemske). … Good spot by Jon Eisen, who notes that the cover photos for the Game of My Life book series all feature regular, non-Cool Flow helmets — except for the Dodgers entry. … Nice little gallery of old MLS logos here (with thanks to Mitchell Pinta).
#1 by Josh on 11.08.07 9:29 am |
I know we have all seen the pictures, but today the Rays officially unveil the new logo/unis/name.
http://tampabay.devi...
#2 by Stuby on 11.08.07 9:35 am |
I didn’t see the Dodger book/helmet from the ‘Game of My Life’ series on that Amazon page. I did notice that the Cubs helmet has a flat sticker instead of the embroidered one they actually wear.
#3 by Beefalo on 11.08.07 9:41 am |
Sorry that I couldn’t get a screen cap last night (juggling my 11 month old son at the time) but during last night’s Ohio U. vs. Akron game, they cut to a booth shoot of Reece Davis, Lou Holtz and Mark May. At one point, Mark May was trying to make a point and raised his left hand, which had a receiver’s glove on it.
His right hand was gloveless, but when he rose his left hand (that had been hidden behind Holtz) he was wearing a receiver’s glove.
Anyone else see (or hopefully capture) that?
#4 by todd krevanchi on 11.08.07 9:43 am |
im surprised that they used actual team helmets at all. i would have expected them to simply get a blank helmet template and adjust the color for the different teams and throw on a logo…
#5 by tim in tampa on 11.08.07 9:45 am |
I’m going to the ceremony today in St. Pete. I’m going to take a bunch of photos — Paul, keep an eye out for an email.
I don’t have time to grab it, but the game’s on my DVR (I record all the Bobcat games) — I’ll try and snatch it up this afternoon.
My uni-related complaint there is that the Bobcats’ new screen-printed numbers look awful in HD during night games. So shiny. Augh.
#6 by wall of beef on 11.08.07 9:50 am |
Those old MLS logos are horrid. Why did the Galaxy once have a twirling squid for a logo?
Its good to see that most of the MLS teams have cleaned up their act and went more traditional.
Also, its generally a bad idea to have the sports equipment in the logo in my opinion.
#7 by Minna H. on 11.08.07 9:53 am |
Paul! This is what I’ve waited three hours for? I kid because I love. I will wait even more (im)patiently for the ESPN link.
Thanks for including the bit about the Giants’ history with red unis. I am going to have to consider adding red into my ‘all-black’ campaign–maybe, just the shoelaces in red–and the numbers. And names. Black and red. I like!
#8 by Perry on 11.08.07 9:58 am |
(from yesterday)
“I am too young to remember MLB before Interleague, but it seems natural to me, as the NBA, NHL, and NFL all play between the leagues evenly. I don’t mind it at all.”
Uh, no. The NBA, NHL, and NFL are each ONE league with two conferences. The NL and AL in baseball were, until pretty recently, truly two separate leagues, each with its own office, president, umpire staffs, official ball, administrative rules, and even playing rules. You couldn’t even make a player trade between leagues except during a fairly limited time window. And of course, they didn’t play each other at all except in the World Series, one of the things that made the Series pretty damn special and memorable, much more so than in other sports. Sadly, most of that has been lost. (The Super Bowl hasn’t been as good since the NFL-AFL merger, either. The Jets beating the Colts had a meaning that no Super Bowl today could have.)
#9 by wall of beef on 11.08.07 10:00 am |
I just saw some pictures of the Rays new uniforms (not photos, just mock ups), wow. Way to make the most borining team even more boring. Sure the uniforms before were awful, but this is terrible. It looks like some sort of Capt. Morrigan Parrot Bay liqour product. The Tampa Bay Coconut Rums.
#10 by Max on 11.08.07 10:10 am |
With the Rays news jerseys being unveiled today….
LET THE COMPLAINING BEGIN!!!!
#11 by Stuby on 11.08.07 10:12 am |
I haven’t seen that mock-up in a while, but as I recall it was a combination of this logo and this logo. Maybe they should have leaned more toward this design to appeal to their fan base.
#12 by Chance on 11.08.07 10:13 am |
I think that’s exactly what they did.
The Yankees version uses the wrong logo - the jersey “NY”, not the helmet version (or even the cap version, which would at least be closer).
#13 by Matt on 11.08.07 10:30 am |
exactly what I was going to post. Any do the helmets look ‘fake’ to anyone?
#14 by Dan King on 11.08.07 10:37 am |
i forget who brought it up this weekend, but Wayne Rooney was wearing the compression shirt again instead of the long sleeve jersey yesterday.
#15 by John on 11.08.07 10:39 am |
The Helmets do look sort of fake and i was going to comment on the yankees helmet being the only right handed helmet in the list.
#16 by Paul Lukas on 11.08.07 10:40 am |
In case you’re wondering: Yes, I realize the site is behaving badly this morning. Our web-hosting company is aware of it (it’s not just us - it’s all of their clients) and working on it.
Yes, it’s frustrating. Even more for me than for you.
#17 by zep on 11.08.07 10:42 am |
Paul,
Didn’t you say earlier in the season that Joe Skiba was trying to get league approval for something in regards to the giants red jersey? What happened to that?
#18 by Art on 11.08.07 10:45 am |
PAUL,
As a University of Pittsburgh Panthers Football fan, I want to know your thoughts on the Pitt Panthers vintage Dan Marino era jerseys. i really miss them and think they should bring them back! The current uniforms suck!
#19 by Shane on 11.08.07 10:45 am |
On the tackle twill:
I’m the production manager for an ad-specialty/marketing firm. We do some tackle twill applications, namely badges for schwag like golf towels or to go on hats, jackets, etc. Have done some full front lettering for a company’s softball jerseys. (Wish I had a picture of these to send you because they were fully decked out, shoulder patches, captains “C”…)
I’ve made the nouveau Ravens type practice the standard here. 2 reasons:
1. When you laser the layers of twill they stick together because of the heat anyway. Peel out the middle of that top layer and you have a nice clean border all around. When you go to sew them (or sometimes heat press) them on they don’t shift.
2. The “scrap” material in the middle can come in handy for other applications some times. Companies love saving money, and if it’s a basic cut (as the interior of a letter or number would be) the guts of the border piece can be used on another product without addition material cost.
My personal non-money-wise take: I think the raised borders look better on three-plus layer twill anyways.
#20 by Gabe on 11.08.07 10:46 am |
Are the two pictures linked in the Ravens story of the old way or the new way?
Although I understand the difference in technique, I can’t really tell the difference visually. Can anyone shed some light on how to tell the differences? Perhaps a side-by-side comparison?
#21 by Stuby on 11.08.07 10:46 am |
The publishers obviously don’t Get It and probably had no idea that there were a bunch of uni-geeks like us waiting to pick their artwork apart. Silly publishers.
#22 by Kek on 11.08.07 10:48 am |
Interesting blurb on the NYG red jersey. I knew there were rules regarding alternative versus throwback/vintage unis but I didn’t know it was so specific. I’m not surprised what with the way the NFL are control freaks of all things uni related.
The story makes me ask two questions:
1. Regarding “exact replica of early-era uniform”, wouldn’t the Steelers be in violation of this because of the black facemask instead of gray and the “STEELERS” instead of “STEEL” that was used on that helmet?
2. Is a team permitted to have both an alternate and a throwback? For instance, the Chargers updated the powder blue look and therefore it’s not a throwback. Would they still be permitted to wear the Lance Alworth-era style complete with numbers on the helmets if they wished?
#23 by Shane on 11.08.07 10:54 am |
Yes, getting old. I wonder if he just found the classic fit cumbersome. I think the new cut on the Nike long sleeve kits is more form fitting though. I like the fit of my Arsenal 3rd strip and I’m picky about my sleeves.
But the compression shirt just doesn’t look good. They need to at least tailor it to match the sleeve pattern on the actual kits.
#24 by Chance on 11.08.07 10:55 am |
My understanding is no. You don’t get to wear four different uniforms in the course of a 16-game season (which makes complete sense to me).
#25 by Big L on 11.08.07 10:56 am |
I didn’t see Mark May’s glove, but what caught my eye were the massively large uni numbers on the Zips uniforms
#26 by Broker75 on 11.08.07 10:57 am |
Man 0 Man, Giants in long sleeved reds, total perfection. BTW, there was an additional link that lead to the new stadium for the Jets and Gotham’s Giants. I checked them out and realized that the stadium is not going to have a retractible roof. Wasn’t that in the original plans so New York can host championships? or was I mislead. The new stadium looks too similar to their current, as per the pics on that site.
#27 by Ian on 11.08.07 10:59 am |
In regards to the Detroit Pistons uniform history video clip, one shot totally caught my attention. If memory serves me, Isiah never wore this jersey in his career. Would make for an awesome bootleg throwback, however!
#28 by tedkerwin on 11.08.07 11:03 am |
Apparently one of the reasons we Giant fans have to put up with the Red Jersey is Ernie Arcorsi. The first Giant game he saw was a game against the Eagles in Hershey PA and the Giants were wearing the red uniforms and beat the Eagles. The book GM claims Ernie made the decision for the Giants alternate to reflect that 1940’s team.
#29 by douglas on 11.08.07 11:05 am |
It’s really nice that you mention the “overlap” technique (zoom on the number). I don’t agree with Joe Hilsberg, especially on the small shop issue. The thing is you get more accuracy when placing the last layer, and you can even prepare the numbers and letters before embroidery, heatpress them together if they have adhesive backing. You can also save the inside of the gold outline and use it for the home jersey, without wasting any tackle twill.
It’s also been seen on the Suns, the Cavs or the Pistons unis.
Anyone having troubleshoot with the page 2 video?
#30 by NEO on 11.08.07 11:05 am |
Marquette University had new uniforms made by Converse (Dwayne Wade). Not sure if Paul will have this up in the ESPN Column or not so here they are
Road
http://www.jsonline....
Home
http://www.jsonline....
They have a crazy powder blue alternate too, but i cant find pics anywhere.
#31 by Paul Lukas on 11.08.07 11:09 am |
Not for this season.
#32 by Paul Lukas on 11.08.07 11:16 am |
Today’s ESPN column is up.
#33 by Chance on 11.08.07 11:18 am |
I beg to differ.
#34 by ScottyJ in WV on 11.08.07 11:19 am |
I’m not Paul, but I miss the Pitt unis from the 70s & 80s.
Growing up watching the Backyard Brawl, it just doesn’t look right nowadays.
YINZ BRING BACK THE MUSTARD!!! ;0)
#35 by possum on 11.08.07 11:21 am |
You guys should like this vintage Albany Lawmakers jersey.
#36 by todd krevanchi on 11.08.07 11:23 am |
the new flat gray home treatment for troy is awesome…
#37 by Big L on 11.08.07 11:28 am |
Are they honoring Al McGuire this year, or is that AL lettering permanent?
#38 by Kerry P on 11.08.07 11:29 am |
WHOA!!!! That’s REALLY big!!!
#39 by Shane on 11.08.07 11:36 am |
Pretty sure Louis Saha was doing the same thing.
#40 by todd krevanchi on 11.08.07 11:37 am |
any of you pittsburgh folk catch the pregame on monday night?
they had a camera outside primanti’s and then they went inside and showed a few sandwiches being made.(if youve ever eaten there, you know that the sandwich is a primanti’s, its too unique to confuse)
back to the studio and berman says something like, “making some roethlisburgers”. which kinda pissed me off because primanti’s doesnt have roethlisburgers, peppi’s does.
berman should have known better…
#41 by LI Phil on 11.08.07 11:39 am |
yeah…i had asked the same (sort of) question the other night with regard to the iggles wearing their alt-black jersey…i guess their wearing the heinous throwbacks earlier this year precluded their wearing the alternate blacks this season…and while not a fan of the alt black, it was far preferable to this
#42 by NEO on 11.08.07 11:39 am |
They have honored AL for the last few years….being a Badgers fan it looks kinda stupid
#43 by Kerry P on 11.08.07 11:50 am |
Are you talking about the Troy University Trojans? Any pictures?
#44 by Stuby on 11.08.07 11:55 am |
Read Paul’s ESPN column. Link in comment #32.
#45 by Shane on 11.08.07 11:58 am |
Also the two takes takes on the best teal-series logos and uniforms ever.
#46 by mlmintampa on 11.08.07 11:58 am |
In reference to Florida wearing the system of dress in the ESPN article…In the one game they wore the system of dress last season, they played horribly against Tennessee. Later in the season, someone asked Joakim Noah about the jerseys and he said they would never wear them again because they are bad luck. But I can’t seem to find the story to confirm this online.
#47 by Shane on 11.08.07 12:09 pm |
Rooney from yesterday.
Saha was wearing a long sleeve shirt. Can’t get a direct link but if you go here and view picture 13 you can see it clearly. Also makes me wonder if Ronaldo is simply rolling his sleeves under or if he has a 3/4 shirt custom cut.
And is there another Shane??? I may have to go FNOP. (Full name on post)
#48 by ScottyJ in WV on 11.08.07 12:09 pm |
I like those. I think the colors on the shoulders (gold-road, blue-home) are a bit unnecessary, and I don’t care for the outlining around “Marquette”, but over all, they’re good.
#49 by Joe H on 11.08.07 12:10 pm |
I say that about small shops because a lot of them still “hand cut” the letters and numbers. Not everyone can afford custom cutters and laser guided embroidery machines. Hand cutting the inside portion of the outline layer is the most difficult part, and the inside number that is left behind will not be useable in most cases because you have to make an initial cut into the number to get your scissors in there…I’ve done it.
Also “You can also save the inside of the gold outline and use it for the home jersey” is incorrect because the left over gold number would be the same size as the white portion of the home jersey number, thus making it useless as an outline layer for the home, or away jersey.
Personally I think both styles look good, but I like seeing the sewing on each color level. I don’t care for this new technique as much because I’m viewing it from a small shop workflow stance, but I can see how it can be effective for mass production.
#50 by Shane on 11.08.07 12:13 pm |
Scratch the Ronaldo speculation. He’s just pulling them up.
#51 by Hank on 11.08.07 12:18 pm |
I wondered the same about the nameplates. It was cool to see the Eagles in their Yellow/Blues but the nameplates took away from the look. If you don’t know the players on your team by their number, then you don’t know your team.
#52 by S Bennett on 11.08.07 12:20 pm |
The answer is quite simple. As a Nike-sponsored guy (many are but he’s marquee), Nike gets to advertise TWO shirts on his back at once. If he wears a long sleeve, you don’t see the compression wear until the end of the game - and only if he takes off or swaps his shirt. This way, you know he’s got two on, and Nike gets to advertise their underwear by making it outerwear.
And yes, it looks much crappier than a traditional long sleeved version of the kit.
SB
#53 by Mark in Shiga on 11.08.07 12:35 pm |
I have a game-used Boston Bruins jersey, which has gold-black-gold three-layer lettering, and it’s actually just black with a yellow outline sewn on (and painted where it’s uneven), leaving a few millimeters of black on the outside edge to make another “layer”.
My amateur Japanese team does something even more exotic. The main lettering is made up of hundreds of thin chain-stitching-like strings, and then the border is embroidered — all the way around the eight-inch numbers! There’s no second layer of twill at all. It looks great but too many washings will create gaps as individual embroidered strings come off. I’m not sure which style I like more.
#54 by Kek on 11.08.07 12:41 pm |
I never even thought of that. You really don’t need names to know your players. The Yankees and Penn State football are great examples of this.
I guess this is a case where an NFL rule would trump the replication of the uniform. In other words, because by rule you must have names on the jerseys, you have to follow that as the law of the land so to speak.
#55 by Shane on 11.08.07 12:48 pm |
I suppose, although there is no visible swoosh on the compression shirt, only when he takes off his kit at the end of the match is there a very small one just to the left of the collar.
#56 by Marc from Brooklyn on 11.08.07 12:57 pm |
Baseball GMs have decided that first and third base coaches will wear helmets (after the Mike Coolbaugh tragedy):
http://sports.espn.g...
#57 by Patrick on 11.08.07 12:59 pm |
Today’s ESPN column is a good reminder that this is generally not a good period for college basketball uniforms.
#58 by Stuby on 11.08.07 1:05 pm |
I really have no idea what Kansas is thinking with that new font. Any time I hear phrases like “standardize the brand” in relation to uniforms, my eyes kind of glaze over.
#59 by branden on 11.08.07 1:08 pm |
I may be the minority, but those new Winthrop uniforms are gorgeous.
#60 by CollinJ on 11.08.07 1:12 pm |
Paul, are you sure the Creighton jersey you linked to isn’t just a practice jersey? They played EA sports in that game and it was there only exhibition of the year. The media guide shows different uniforms.
#61 by Robert on 11.08.07 1:14 pm |
This seems like an overreaction. This is the first such tragedy in many thousands of MLB and minor league games played over the past 100+ years, and the odds of a repeat are slim.
Aren’t players in the dugout at similar risk? And there are fans in many stadiums who are as close to home plate as the base coaches, right?
I won’t swear to this, but I thought that I read somewhere that wearing a helmet would not have saved Coolbaugh because of where the ball struck him. Does anyone else remember this?
Regardless, it is interesting that the article mentions that the type of helmet to be worn has not been decided. It would be fun to see the crazy inside liners return to use.
#62 by Erik on 11.08.07 1:14 pm |
God the System of Dress is ugly. Ugly ugly ugly. Ugly.
Washington State looks pretty sharp, though.
#63 by Kek on 11.08.07 1:17 pm |
This is just like when the NHL put the nets up after the girl was killed in Columbus. Classic overreaction.
#64 by Stuby on 11.08.07 1:21 pm |
Paul, I’ve stared and stared at the Gillispie Belt Buckle you linked to and I’m just not seeing the Texas A&M logo. To me it looks like ‘KD’, whatever that means.
#65 by Adam on 11.08.07 1:21 pm |
Yes, but does it really hurt anything? If there’s a very small upside, and no downside, what’s the problem?
#66 by Carl G on 11.08.07 1:23 pm |
While I assume the throw-backs have to be generally the same, I am sure there are exceptions for current jersey requirements. Thus, even if the eagles wanted to go without nameplates to make the look “authentic”, I would assume the league requires they have nameplates.
#67 by ScottyJ in WV on 11.08.07 1:25 pm |
AAARGH!!! Post eaten! Help!
#68 by Chance on 11.08.07 1:27 pm |
I’ve got your downside - it could conceivably make a base coach complacent and less likely to watch the ball every time, increasing ever so subtly the possibility for a non-head-related injury.
Hey, the odds may be overwhelmingly against it, but so what? They’re also overwhelmingly against another base coach being seriously injured or killed by a batted ball….
#69 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 11.08.07 1:27 pm |
i was under the impression that coolbaugh was hit in the neck. if coolbaugh would have been wearing a helmet he still would have been hit in the neck and died.
his injury is no different than if the ball had been hit fair and hit the pitcher in the neck.
#70 by Chance on 11.08.07 1:28 pm |
Yes. Players are also required to wear full pads and modern helmets with their throwbacks.
#71 by Robert on 11.08.07 1:29 pm |
There would be little downside to having hitters cover themselves with protective gear from head to toe, but no such mandate is in place, and the risks to hitters are much greater than they are to base coaches.
Let the coaches decide. If they would to wear protection, that would be fine. If they do not care to do so, then that would be fine as well.
#72 by Dave on 11.08.07 1:30 pm |
I need help. I’m looking for a website where i can make customized button down baseball jerseys for my Wiffle ball team on the cheap. Yes, Wiffle ball. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
#73 by Chance on 11.08.07 1:32 pm |
Wow - great catch.
This makes it even more of an over-reaction.
#74 by Shane on 11.08.07 1:36 pm |
Looks like a Big XII logo to me.
#75 by Shane on 11.08.07 1:41 pm |
Compression-shirt-gate, part 2:
I’ve noticed at least two Bolton players sporting compression shirts under a short sleeve kit in the game they’re playing right now. Does Reebok not make a long sleeve version?
Still not a fan of this Bayern Munich black strip either.
#76 by werthj on 11.08.07 1:42 pm |
It is the Texas A&M Logo. Look for the big T in the center first, and then flank it with the smaller A and M. It’s there.
#77 by Shane on 11.08.07 1:42 pm |
How much are you looking to spend per shirt? Number of shirts?
#78 by Adrian on 11.08.07 1:43 pm |
First I have to say that I was almost too excited to see my old high school (Laconia) featured on Uni Watch. Interesting story about the logo, since its placement on the socks is the reason for the coverage.
In the mid nineties the football team changed from a generic Indian head design to one drawn by a player on the team. It was based on the newly revealed “flying Elvis” Patriot’s logo and I could probably dig up a picture if people were really interested. Anyway, in my senior year (2002) there was a crackdown on Native American mascots, and that included the “flying Sachem” logo. The explanation was that he was gritting his teeth, which made him seem angry. So a student, who just happened to be another football player, was commissioned to draw a new logo as described by the protesters. The result was, at the artist’s admission, a terrible logo that didn’t work for sports teams at all so our team switched to “Sachems” in script, a little bit like the Florida Gators. After that they went to a Michigan-style helmet (for some odd reason), then to a block L.
I was back there a few weeks ago to observe my coach for a class and I asked him about the logo since I remember him suggesting it back when I was a senior. He informed me that he had been suggesting it every year since and kept getting shut down because of the feathers, so last season he decided to just put it on the helmets and see what happened. This year it became the school’s official athletic logo.
Again, not exactly sock related, but how many more times will I have an opening like this to talk about LHS?
#79 by Big L on 11.08.07 1:48 pm |
On a uniwatch note, will the coaches don the Gaetti model, the Victorino model or the single ear flap? Glenallen Hill was a pioneer in the second half last year and postseason as he donned the no flap helmet coaching first.
#80 by Paul Lukas on 11.08.07 1:51 pm |
According to the article, they haven’t yet decided about the flaps.
#81 by Dave on 11.08.07 1:53 pm |
I need 4 jerseys and I was planning on spending no more than about 40 each.
#82 by Jason on 11.08.07 1:54 pm |
The Buckeyes have added a gray Frocks set.
Jersey
Shorts
Notice how the shorts are pretty much the football pants.
#83 by Big L on 11.08.07 1:56 pm |
Maybe a good reason for UGA to Ditch the Black
#84 by Kevin on 11.08.07 1:56 pm |
What’s with the LeBron logo on the shirt?
#85 by Robert on 11.08.07 1:58 pm |
That no-flap helmet looks so freakin’ cool. I mess those.
#86 by Big L on 11.08.07 1:58 pm |
Thanks Paul. I know you will be able to break the news on this UniWatch moment as soon as it breaks.
#87 by Broker75 on 11.08.07 2:03 pm |
Looks like the site is running smooth again..knock on wood..
#88 by Dwight on 11.08.07 2:04 pm |