It’s hard to think of a group that was less well served by athletic apparel than early women’s basketball players. While the men got to wear shorts or at least bare arms, the mores of the times forced the women to stay covered up — sometimes in exceedingly unathletic attire.
I’ve occasionally linked to early women’s hoops photos in the Ticker, but I’d never seen so many of them in one place until Chris Burris recently directed me toward Women’s Basketball Online, a fairly comprehensive resource that includes a timeline with dozens of photo links. Among the highlights:
• This is the 1904 Fort Shaw Boarding School team, which was comprised of Native Americans and played at the St. Louis Worlds Fair. The striped shirts and “F” and “S” initials on the collars are much more uniform-ish than what most other women’s teams were wearing around this time. (A similar set of initials can be seen here, as worn by the 1907 Central Park Congregational team.)
• Here’s the 1904 Florida State College team. Note the handwritten school insignia — unbelievable.
• A major find here: a 1904 vide clip from Missouri Valley College. All the women are in dresses.
• Some women got to wear bloomers instead of dresses, like these girls (who played at a Chicago athletic club in 1905) and these (Chicago again, 1907).
• These shots (Chicago, 1905) show one team in skirts and the other in bloomers.
• According to the timeline, 1908 was when “Agnes R. Wayman, a member of the Women’s Basketball Rules Committee, [suggested] that coaches emphasize the feminine traits of their players on and off the court,” and also when “[m]any parents [began] to forbid their daughters playing basketball, fearing its bad influence.” Despite these negative developments — or maybe because of them — 1908 appears to be when women’s hoops uniforms really started looking like uniforms. Some of them began wearing their team names, like the Hull House and Spalding squads (both from Chicago). Others wore graphic symbols, like the Christian Temple team (Chicago yet again) and this Arizona club. And check out the sleeve insignia on the the University of Texas team.
• Hard to tell for sure, but it looks like the 1909 Austin Methodist Episcopal team wore left-sleeve armbands of some sort.
• 1909 also appears to be when most of the women’s uniforms went from dark to light.
• Another 1909 trope: the sudden appearance of male coaches, as seen these shots from Milton High School in North Dakota and Miller High School in Nebraska. (As you can see in that last shot, it was common for early women’s teams to pose for team portraits while lying down — the better to look all cutesy and unthreatening.)
And that’s just the pre-1910 stuff. There’s a lot more on that timeline page. Eventually the puffy designs give way to things like this, but it took a while to get there. It’s amazing the gals persevered that long.
Uni Watch Road Trip: I’m gonna be in Boston on December 6th and will probably be convening a Uni Watch party around 8:45 that evening. Details to follow shortly.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Speaking of basketball history, there’s a fantastic story here about how the Black Fives crew did all kinds of historical research to resurrect the logo of the old Independent Pleasure Club — highly recommended. … Yesterday I linked to this photo, which showed Joe Torre’s monogrammed cuffs. That prompted a note from, of all people, Giants equipment director Joe Skiba: “The maker of Torre’s shirts is actually a friend of one of our equipment managers.” Here’s an actual Torre monongram swatch, from a cuff repair that had to be done on one of his shirts. … Skiba also confirms that the Jints will indeed be wearing their red alts this weekend (which means I’m gonna go to the movies or something, because I just can’t watch that). … A reader who didn’t give his full name checked in yesterday with a tantalizing question: “Years ago, back in the mid-’90s, the Cowboys were unveiling some new throwback or alternate uniform (I think it was the ‘triple star’ jersey) and, here’s the kicker, Jerry Jones himself modeled it in full pads, with a helmet under his arm. I recall it was a sideline interview and I think it was the home game before the Thanksgiving game (they were going to unveil the new uniforms on Thanksgiving). I swear on my life I saw this with my own eyes.” Anyone know more about this? …. Another no-name reader sent along this photo, which must surely set the record for the most logos on an ice rink. It’s for the WHL’s Red Deer Rebels. … Nike has developed a high-visibility soccer ball (with thanks to Paul Berggren). … According to this article (forwarded by Todd Hawes), Oregon wideout Jaison Williams had an expletive written on one of his gloves on Saturday. Anyone know more about this? … Not uni-related, but it’s worth mentioning that No Mas’s Dave “Large” Larzelere continues to write the most compelling sports analysis on the web. His take on the World Series is dead-on, and his essay on the Calzaghe/Kessler fight is the kind of boxing writing that qualifies as literature. Time and again, he’s able to articulate things that I had intuitively grasped but had failed to flesh out into fully formed ideas, and I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve thought “Damn, wish I’d written that” while reading his stuff. Don’t miss. … Yesterday I asked when the Rangers started using nameplates instead of direct-sewn lettering. Kurt Zwald provides a probable explanation: “Generally, the Rangers wear a preseason set with screened-on nameplates and then bring out the regular-season sets with letters sewn directly onto the back. However, beginning in 2005-06, the Rangers recycled that preseason set into their first regular season set — they’d cover up the screened-name nameplate with a sewn nameplate. This practice was implemented before the inception of the Edge jersey.” … Chris Markham notes that the Patriots’ rear-helmet uni numbers are usually split down the center of the helmet. But Dante Stallworth’s numerals are tighter together and maybe even shifted to the left side, presumably because he’s wearing one of those new Schutt helmets, which don’t have a center ridge. … That SDSU helmet decal for the San Diego firefighters — referenced in the Ticker last week — ended up looking like this (with thanks to MarcZ). … Not uni-related but still plenty interesting. … My favorite link of the day: Justin Kadis has found a site devoted to pencil design. Look at all those logos! Click on any of them for pics of various pencils made by that brand, and then click on any of those pics for a closer view. Surprisingly addictive.
#1 by LI Phil on 11.07.07 8:55 am |
looking at this pic, all i could think was “NOT IN MY HOUSE!”
http://memory.loc.go...
#2 by Robert on 11.07.07 9:01 am |
Good stuff on the World Series/interleague play issue. I am a big hypocrite when it comes to interleague play. I despise it with a passion, yet I go to as many of the games as possible. Why? I live in an A.L. city, but far prefer the N.L. game and want to see N.L. teams play.
I am a bad man.
#3 by John O'Hare on 11.07.07 9:02 am |
Damn, I went to the jarrypark.com site featured on No Mas, and all I got was a stinkin’ wrestling site! No fair, Mo Mas! I wanted the old ballpark, not a bunch of steroid stocked assholes fakking a sport!
#4 by Elena E on 11.07.07 9:04 am |
I love the photos of the women’s basketball unis. My aunts were star high school basketball players in Texas in the late 30’s-early ’40’s, and wore the middy blouse and shorter bloomer style uniforms, though sadly, I have no photos. We still had remnants of the bloomer in our gym uniform when I was in high school ['68-'72], with the shorts having a buckle at the hem that could be tightened to make them blouse, or loose for a straighter leg. In a beautiful kelly green twill with a white camp shirt, the Ballard Bombers colors.
#5 by Elena E on 11.07.07 9:09 am |
I hated the original concept of interleague play but thought, at least I’ll get to see the Cardinals play in Baltimore, the closest MLB city to me. But they still have never played there and won’t in 2008 even though supposedly NL Central plays AL East. Just get rid of it, or cut it down to 1 home and 1 away series.
#6 by Greg on 11.07.07 9:11 am |
One good thing about those old women’s basketball unis… no Nike swooshes!
#7 by GoGoSox on 11.07.07 9:14 am |
The flubs playing a World Series at Comiskey wasn’t totally unprecedented. I believe they played there in 1918 as well because of the larger capacity. Can’t beat those profits.
#8 by Paul P on 11.07.07 9:14 am |
Alright, finally Paul’s coming to Boston and hosting a UniWatch party. Can’t wait!
#9 by Thomas on 11.07.07 9:17 am |
Robert said:
So… you like bad baseball teams?
#10 by Ian on 11.07.07 9:17 am |
i noticed the link to the hi-vis ball…I find it a little odd because in the english they have been using them for a few year and its realy not that new
#11 by odessasteps magazine on 11.07.07 9:21 am |
I wonder if Lee Corso has that pencil site bookmarked on his computer.
#12 by DenverGregg on 11.07.07 9:22 am |
I vaguely remember the Jerry Jones prototype thing myself. It was a topic of much laughter on Jim Rome’s radio show (probably 93, but maybe 94 or 95).
#13 by Pat on 11.07.07 9:24 am |
So I was watching one of those stupid “Best Damn 50…” countdown shows last night. It was the one about the Best Sports Blowups. Kind of dumb, I know, but very addicting.
I saw something I hadn’t seen before and, for some reason don’t remember seeing back in those days. It was when Tim Hardaway, then a member of the Nuggests, was kicked out of a game and on his way out tossed a TV camera onto the floor. While he was talking off the court they showed a front view of him and he had an “A” on his shirt, like an alternate captain would have on his shirt in hockey. I know we’ve seen captain “C” patches on shirts in the NBA before, but I didn’t remember ever seeing a mention of the “A” patch.
Anybody know anything about this? I mean, Hardaway was only a member of the Nuggets for 14 games during the 2001-02 season, if it was for being an alternate captain how in the world did he gain that status in 14 games?
I couldn’t find any pictures of it since I can’t imagine he took that many pictures during stint in Denver especially since he probably spent most of that time suspended.
#14 by Jonathan on 11.07.07 9:25 am |
The Hi-Vis ball made its debut in 2004 in a US vs Jamaica match and the English Premier League has used it since that same year for winter and night matches. I believe the Spanish Primera League uses it as well.
#15 by Pat on 11.07.07 9:26 am |
Above that should say “while he was WALKING off the court” not “talking off the court.”
#16 by tedkerwin on 11.07.07 9:27 am |
Blaming interleague play on the lack of interest in the World Series is too simplistic. Free Agency took away the mystique of American League players facing National League players, before Free Agency the stars were one team, one league players for the most part. Furthermore, blaming the expansion of the playoffs for the lack of interest fails to acknowledge that 12-16 teams had a reason to play in September and people had a reason to go to the ballpark. The fact of the matter is that baseball is local, I could not watch baseball after the Mets collapsed this year, but when they were eliminated in August every year I was recovered in time to watch the playoffs and world series. Clearly the expansion of the playoffs and interleague have only helped grow baseball where it really matters at the local level, attendance is up, revenues are up and overall the sport is healthy. If the World Series did not meet your expectations how did your summer go? I enjoyed it up till September.
#17 by LI Phil on 11.07.07 9:29 am |
LI Phil said:
it was a “GLAAD” support patch
#18 by brett on 11.07.07 9:31 am |
I don’t know if it’s been posited here before, but is it plausible that Randy Moss’s upside down 8 isn’t part of a new Boston-based 8 usage and is instead upside down to suggest he’s wearing a reversed and flipped 18?
#19 by andy on 11.07.07 9:31 am |
Looking at the Rangers hemmed jerseys, it looks like they just flipped up the back and sewed them to the inside of the jersey instead of cutting the coat tail off and creating a smooth hem.
A really good picture is the second pic in the Islanders photo gallery.(look at the back of Marian Hossa #81)
http://islanders.nhl...
#20 by Pat on 11.07.07 9:39 am |
brett said:
I’m pretty sure it’s just because you could very easily get the 8’s top and the 8’s bottom mixed up. He’s worn it both ways this season so I’m pretty sure it’s not a well thought out plan or conspiracy involving Donte Stallworth (the real 18).
#21 by Pat on 11.07.07 9:46 am |
andy said:
Hemming is always done this way. When you hem a pair of pants you fold the bottoms up and sew them so that they are a little shorter. They are doing something similar with their jerseys.
#22 by dm00n on 11.07.07 9:47 am |
Stop the madness:
dm00n said:
I still think what might be worse than black jerseys (at least Georgia has black in their colors) is the phrase “________ Nation.” Oh, were it to die.
#23 by Mike on 11.07.07 9:47 am |
tedkerwin said:
September was great, yes. But the World Series was a snoozer. Red Sox-Indians, and Indians Yankees were great series too. This would be extremely controversial, but, what if we just got rid of the league playoff format and have a NCAA-like, seeded tournament. This might have resulted in the best teams (Red Sox-Indians?) in the World Series, no?
#24 by Seth H on 11.07.07 9:50 am |
Looks like the fourth picture in the first paragraph of the main entry is netball, not basketball.
#25 by dm00n on 11.07.07 9:59 am |
Points for honesty:
dm00n said:
#26 by john on 11.07.07 9:59 am |
Pat said:
Reebok probably had a say in how their jersey could be modified. I’m guessing they had a fit when the Rags said they’d cut them.
And that’s MARCEL Hossa. MARIAN plays for Atlanta (for now).
#27 by dm00n on 11.07.07 10:03 am |
Bolts in powder again:
dm00n said:
#28 by Graf Zeppelin on 11.07.07 10:20 am |
As far as I can recall, those Schutt/Air/Bike helmets have never had center ridges like the standard Riddell helmets have. However, teams who have single center stripes on their helmets, e.g. the Raiders and Giants, still split the numerals on the back in the same fashion regardless of the form factor of the helmet shell. It would be interesting to look at the teams that use or have used helmet numerals like this (centered, vs. off to one side) but had no center stripes, such as the Jets during the green-helmet era, to see how they attached the back numerals on Schutt/Air/Bike helmets. (IIRC, the Jets did the same thing the Patriots do, i.e., put the numerals closer together.)
Also: When I played in high school, the Maxpro helmets at my school had wider center ridges than the Riddells; maybe 1-1/2 to 2 inches wide, whereas Riddell center ridges are 1 inch wide. Anyone else use these?
#29 by Graf Zeppelin on 11.07.07 10:22 am |
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As far as I can recall, those Schutt/Air/Bike helmets have never had center ridges like the standard Riddell helmets have. However, teams who have single center stripes on their helmets, e.g. the Raiders and Giants, still split the numerals on the back in the same fashion regardless of the form factor of the helmet shell. It would be interesting to look at the teams that use or have used helmet numerals like this (centered, vs. off to one side) but had no center stripes, such as the Jets during the green-helmet era, to see how they attached the back numerals on Schutt/Air/Bike helmets. (IIRC, the Jets did the same thing the Patriots do, i.e., put the numerals closer together.)
Also: When I played in high school, the Maxpro helmets at my school had wider center ridges than the Riddells; maybe 1-1/2 to 2 inches wide, whereas Riddell center ridges are 1 inch wide. Anyone else use these?
#30 by Graf Zeppelin on 11.07.07 10:22 am |
[Oh, COME ON!!!!!!!!!!]
As far as I can recall, those Schutt/Air/Bike helmets have never had center ridges like the standard Riddell helmets have. However, teams who have single center stripes on their helmets, e.g. the Raiders and Giants, still split the numerals on the back in the same fashion regardless of the form factor of the helmet shell. It would be interesting to look at the teams that use or have used helmet numerals like this (centered, vs. off to one side) but had no center stripes, such as the Jets during the green-helmet era, to see how they attached the back numerals on Schutt/Air/Bike helmets. (IIRC, the Jets did the same thing the Patriots do, i.e., put the numerals closer together.)
Also: When I played in high school, the Maxpro helmets at my school had wider center ridges than the Riddells; maybe 1-1/2 to 2 inches wide, whereas Riddell center ridges are 1 inch wide. Anyone else use these?
#31 by GCap on 11.07.07 10:27 am |
stallworth’s number is only closer together because its a schutt helmet, i think the eagles helmets are like that too where the number is farther apart on the riddell and closer on a schutt helmet
#32 by Cosmo Kramer on 11.07.07 10:32 am |
I can’t recall the year, but I vividly recall Jerry Jones’ sideline interview in what he called the “special event” uniforms. It was the Navy blue jersey with the big star on the shoulder. He looked ridiculous. It was indeed before a Thanksgiving Day game.
#33 by Ash on 11.07.07 10:34 am |
Ash said:
A-freaking-men.
#34 by Claude on 11.07.07 10:40 am |
Lil Phil, at first I thought you were referring to the headline photo and saying, “no one’s gonna wear anything like that in my house!” I wonder if that’s the first ever photo of a “no-no-nooooo-no” and if she wagged her finger after.
#35 by Kyle O. on 11.07.07 10:43 am |
Justin Kadis-
Are you by any chance from Cleveland?
#36 by Big L on 11.07.07 10:58 am |
Ash said:
Seconded. Easily one of the most overused phrases today.
#37 by Lutter on 11.07.07 11:03 am |
I am sure most of you guys (and girls) have seen this but this is a great site to waste some time at work. A lot of really cool ideas for NCAA schools.
MG’s Helmets
#38 by Hank on 11.07.07 11:09 am |
I’m leaning towards Larzelere’s take on the almost irrelevancy of the World Series. I am not a fan of interleague play and all it has done is waterdown MLB even more than it is due in part to expansion, etc. The creation of false rivalries is laughable.
For example. My hometown Phillies’ AL-designated rival(s) is Baltimore and/or Boston. Baltimore would be logical from a geographic sense, except that goes out the window with the Nats now in DC. Red Sox? No. There is no commonality or rivalry with either of them.
#39 by Marty Met on 11.07.07 11:15 am |
Walt Frazier was sporting purple shoes (with a navy blue suit and black and white check tie) during last night’s Nuggets/Knickerbockers game last night. Anyone have a screen grab?
Mike Breen: Clyde. purple shoes?
Walt Frazier: Hey I’m Clyde.
#40 by steve on 11.07.07 11:16 am |
Hank said:
Seattle Mariners v San Diego Padres, the classic!
#41 by dgc on 11.07.07 11:16 am |
Hank said:
I think interleague is okay. The stupid “natural rivals” series are useless. Let’s face it, it’s just an excuse for FOX to cram Yankees/Mets down our throats. Let those two play a couple of extra series and leave the other teams alone.
#42 by Justin on 11.07.07 11:25 am |
Marty Met said:
Walt Frazier: “No play for Mr. Gray”
#43 by Quint on 11.07.07 11:27 am |
Mike said:
Red Sox/Indians wasn’t a great series. A series isn’t great just because it goes 7. Every game except game 3 was a blow-out, and there was very little suspence outside of games 2 and 3.
It’s really only coincidence that this year’s playoffs weren’t very exciting. Keep in mind only 2 games separated the 4 AL playoff teams. With 4 teams having such similar records, you would expect some exciting series. It just didn’t work out. Meanwhile in the National League, what’s not exciting about 1 team looking to end a historic post-season drought, another team that’s looking for only it’s second championship in over 120 years, a third team that had to win virtually every game for the final month of the season just to make it, and a fourth made up of a bunch of exciting young players who nobody expected anything from, yet became the best team in the NL?
It’s not like a lot of sweeps in consecutive years is something that’s unheard of. The Yankees have swept back-to-back series 3 different times, which must have been as boring in 1927-28 and 1938-39 as it was in 1998-99. Between 1913 and 1916, 3 series went only 5 games and another was a sweep. Sweeps happen.
And what good would an NCAA type tournament do? That would actually make it more likley we had upsets and the best teams were elimated before making it to the end. A bad team has a better chance of beating a good team in one game than in a best of 7. Since when has the Series been about crowning the best overall team in the league anyway? If that were the case, why even play it? Just award a title to the team with the best record (in a balanced schedule) and be done with it.
The Series haven’t been boring because Interleague play has made things uninteresting, or because everyone’s fatigued after already playing 2 playoff rounds. They just happen to have ended in sweeps, which has occured every now and then over the last 100 years.
#44 by Lee on 11.07.07 11:43 am |
http://www.tennessea...
Carrie Cecil wife of Titans Coach Chuck Cecil has a weekly column and has a bit on the equipment manager this week
#45 by Philly Bill on 11.07.07 12:04 pm |
The “you’ve always loved the details” ad song that Large wrote about is an interesting case. It’s based very closely on a song by M. Ward, to which Sharp tried to buy the rights. When Ward refused to license it, musicians were hired to create a new song just dissimilar enough that there’d be no grounds for a lawsuit.
Big L said:
It’s all the more abhorrent given that the Red Sox stole it from the Raiders.
Editorial housekeeping dept.: Paul, Stallworth’s first name is spelled “Donte”, not “Dante”. (Spelled to mirror his mom’s name, Donna.) Actually, it has an apostrophe at the end of it, but I refuse to acknowledge it.
Pat said:
I also think it’s deliberately upside-down, but to give Moss a more superheroic shape — broad about the shoulders and what-have-you.
#46 by lemonverbena on 11.07.07 12:08 pm |
the Pencil Logo link reminded me of one of my earliest uni-ish obsessions: NFL pencils. when i was a kid growing up in Bellevue, WA, my elementary school had pencils in NFL colors, with the team name stamped in block letters, in the team’s secondary color if i remember correctly. finding a blue pencil with SEATTLE SEAHAWKS in green was a rare commodity, since the team was local and new, but there was high competition for the COWBOYS and STEELERS as well.
does anyone else remember these? it would be pretty cool to find some site with a fetish for these long-forgotten items.
#47 by Philly Bill on 11.07.07 12:12 pm |
lemonverbena said:
I have a few of these in my desk drawer. No use for ‘em, no value whatsoever, but I’ve had ‘em for years.
#48 by John Ekdahl on 11.07.07 12:25 pm |
lemonverbena said:
I do, and I had completely forgotten about it. My second grade math teacher used to sell one for 10 cents, but two for 25 cents. I think she was trying to teach us something about paying attention to math. Took us a week to figure out we were getting scammed.
#49 by Patrick on 11.07.07 12:28 pm |
lemonverbena said:
As a third grader, I prized nothing more highly than my red Atlanta Falcons pencil.
#50 by Robert on 11.07.07 12:33 pm |
I still think what might be worse than black jerseys (at least Georgia has black in their colors) is the phrase “________ Nation.” Oh, were it to die.
A-freaking-men.
I don’t know who invented “______ Nation,” but everyone else needs to stop with it. It is even more aggravating when some college acts like they thought of the idea and builds a big-dollar marketing scheme around it. Barf.
#51 by andy on 11.07.07 12:34 pm |
Pat said:
I know what hemming is. I was making the point that the jersey was not cut in a strait line like a normal jersey or shirt and sewn down. The coat tail was left on, flipped and sewn down. Creating an arch in the hem.
sorry about the wrong Hossa, the radio waves here in Atlanta are bombarded with Marian Hossa.
#52 by Burt on 11.07.07 12:34 pm |
If I’m not mistaken, I think that Dallas uniform was eventually used in the movie Little Giants. I think only the jersey made it on the field.
#53 by Joey Guns on 11.07.07 12:40 pm |
Interesting NASCAR article:
http://sports.aol.co...
Merchandise bearing Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s future sponsor, Mountain Dew Amp, and car No. 88 have hit the market within the past month, thanks to a groundbreaking agreement he reached with his departing sponsor Anheuser-Busch.
Veterans of the NASCAR licensing industry say they can’t remember a future sponsor selling merchandise while the driver remained under contract with his old sponsor.
#54 by al on 11.07.07 12:41 pm |
Marty Met said:
He’s right…. He’s Clyde, it’s his world, we just live in it.
#55 by Chris M on 11.07.07 12:53 pm |
I did a little more research on the Number Spacing on Helmet topic with teams that do not have a stripe on the back of the their helmet:
Teams that space out numbers:
Jaguars – Riddell vs Schutt
Chargers: Riddell vs Schutt
Cardinals: Riddell vs Schutt
Teams that do not space out numbers:
Patriots: As seen in column.
Eagles: Riddell vs Schutt
Falcons: Riddell vs Schutt
Panthers: Riddell vs Schutt
#56 by odessasteps magazine on 11.07.07 1:02 pm |
I think they still make those NFL pencils. I recall seeing them in the not-too-distant past.
#57 by Robert on 11.07.07 1:05 pm |
Joey Guns said:
I attended last week’s NASCAR race at Texas Motor Speedway, and I saw several people wearing shirts and hats with Dale Jr.’s new sponsor and number.
Meanwhile, there were three semi-trailers selling his old stuff at deep discounts, and each had VERY long lines of people waiting to make purchases. The prices were so reasonable that I would have bought a hat or two if not for the lines.
#58 by Mike on 11.07.07 1:06 pm |
dgc said:
Oh, c’mon, there are some crap “rivalries”, but theres plenty of good ones too. It’s always fun to see White Sox-Cubs, and if you get past the east coast bias the Giants-A’s is actually a pretty heated rivalry. I just like interleague cause its a chance for teams to play different teams. 162 games against the same 14 or so teams? The monotony!
#59 by Chris ATL on 11.07.07 1:08 pm |
From wikipedia: 1994, the NFL celebrated their 75th Anniversary and the Dallas Cowboys celebrated their back-to-back Super Bowl titles by unveiling the white “Double-Star” jersey on Thanksgiving Day. This special jersey was used on Monday Night Football and throughout the season’s playoffs.
Sorry for the small pics
#60 by Rick on 11.07.07 1:15 pm |
http://www.amazon.co...
I seem to have lost my previous post. The link above is for NFL pencils on Amazon.
#61 by Perry on 11.07.07 1:18 pm |
Robert said:
____ Nation sort of makes sense if it’s a team with a large fan base that goes well beyond its own city. Red Sox nation was the first I heard, and I think it qualifies, since they have always had fans all over New England and now all over the US. Cardinal Nation (the title of a coffee-table book I own), ditto — not quite so much since expansion, but historically, thanks to KMOX’s 38-state range their fan base extended throughout not only a huge part of the midwest and south, but down as far as Oklahoma and Texas. Raider Nation I don’t get — do they have a significant number of fans outside the Oakland area? In general, I agree it’s a term that’s way, way overused now.
#62 by steve on 11.07.07 1:22 pm |
Rick said:
Those are new.
The original post was about these
#63 by steve on 11.07.07 1:22 pm |
These
#64 by steve on 11.07.07 1:24 pm |
Or these
#65 by Mike on 11.07.07 1:36 pm |
Perry said:
Colbert Nation! The only true nation.
#66 by dgc on 11.07.07 1:36 pm |
Mike said:
Well, I won’t deny that there are other rivalries that make sense, but are they so great that we need to see them every year, or would a rotation every three years be enough? Seems like ESPN and Fox broadcast one Cubs/White Sox game, but otherwise try to cram as many Yankees/Mets games into their broadcasts.
Perhaps it’s time for every team to play every other team at least for one series, but of course, that would cut the number of Red Sox/Yankees games and the networks would never agree to that either.
#67 by lemonverbena on 11.07.07 1:39 pm |
steve said:
nice! thanks for that. in the back of my mind i did think the Seahawks pencil was green with blue lettering, but for some reason i didn’t trust it. maybe it’s scarcity hampered my young memory. that thing was like the holy grail…
#68 by Shaftman on 11.07.07 1:42 pm |
Chris ATL said:
Here is a better pic of the Navy Double Star Jersey.
#69 by Robert on 11.07.07 1:45 pm |
Adding some more criticism to the “_______ Nation” catchphrase, is anyone upset that it was stolen from the American Indians?
http://www.cherokee....
#70 by LI Phil on 11.07.07 1:46 pm |
LI Phil said:
that’s cuz yankee nation demands it!
#71 by rc on 11.07.07 1:47 pm |
Jonathan said:
English football has been using a high vis ball for over a decade now. Before Nike, Mitre was the official ball of the EPL, and they made thier Ultimax model in a neon yellow for winter play. Not sure why Nike thinks thier high vis ball is so revolutionary.
#72 by josh's twin on 11.07.07 1:51 pm |
I think interleague is okay. The stupid “natural rivals” series are useless. Let’s face it, it’s just an excuse for FOX to cram Yankees/Mets down our throats. Let those two play a couple of extra series and leave the other teams alone.
Oh, c’mon, there are some crap “rivalries”, but theres plenty of good ones too. It’s always fun to see White Sox-Cubs, and if you get past the east coast bias the Giants-A’s is actually a pretty heated rivalry. I just like interleague cause its a chance for teams to play different teams. 162 games against the same 14 or so teams? The monotony!
Well, I won’t deny that there are other rivalries that make sense, but are they so great that we need to see them every year, or would a rotation every three years be enough? Seems like ESPN and Fox broadcast one Cubs/White Sox game, but otherwise try to cram as many Yankees/Mets games into their broadcasts.
Perhaps it’s time for every team to play every other team at least for one series, but of course, that would cut the number of Red Sox/Yankees games and the networks would never agree to that either.
This “natural rivalry” nonsense in inter-league play completely negates league rivalries. As a White Sox fan, I think the Cross-town classic has become completely boring, and the fact that the Sox now play more games against the Cubs every year than the play against the Yankees or Red Sox bears a huge flaw in the present system.
#73 by Graf Zeppelin on 11.07.07 1:51 pm |
Chris M said:
A couple of those labeled Schutt appear to be Riddell Revolution shells, but the principle is probably the same since those do not have the Riddell standard center ridge either.
#74 by Jeff Ingalls on 11.07.07 1:53 pm |
http://www-lib.ou.ed...
Is it just me or do all these chicks look like Elaine Benis from Seinfeld?
#75 by Chance on 11.07.07 1:55 pm |
rc said:
It’s got 9% less drag!
#76 by Burt on 11.07.07 2:05 pm |
#77 by Mike W. on 11.07.07 2:36 pm |
Anybody have a pic of this guy’s jersey?
http://scores.espn.g...
He plays for Alabama State, but transferred from Stetson. Do either of these schools put last names on their jerseys?
#78 by Christopher on 11.07.07 2:39 pm |
Mike W. said:
His full name is actually:
Grlenntys Chief Kickingstallionsims
#79 by Christopher on 11.07.07 2:42 pm |
Mike W. said:
Actually, I found this tidbit:
“Thrilled to get a response from Stetson assistant coach Jon Coffman regarding our query of how the Hatters solved the dilemma of putting the name of center Chief Kickingstallionsims on the back of a jersey. Indeed, Stetson has gone retro and put the first name ‘Chief’ on the back of the jersey, which qualifies as nothing less than awesome. If only there was a way for Stetson to start marketing this jersey now, we think the school would have a serious source of income but, alas, we’re pretty sure NCAA rules still prohibit selling jerseys with a player’s likeness or name on them. Too bad. “
#80 by tom on 11.07.07 2:43 pm |
Jeff Ingalls said:
lol it does
#81 by Mike W. on 11.07.07 2:46 pm |
Christopher said:
I guess we add him to the First NOB List.
#82 by Mike W. on 11.07.07 2:47 pm |
Mike W. said:
Or would that be Middle NOB?
#83 by Kek on 11.07.07 2:55 pm |
Regarding the “nation” talk, I always thought it was cool to refer to a legion of fans as a Nation. I guess I’m partial because I’m a Steeler fan. With the Steelers though it makes sense because so many western PA natives have moved away but remain loyal to the team. It kills me when TV announcers talk about “how great the Steelers travel” to away games. maybe to Cleveland or Cincy but when those games are in Arizona, San Diego, etc, those are locals that moved away. it’s not as if people are flying out of Pittsburgh en masse every Steeler away game.
Another “nation” I’m ok with is in Johnstown PA: Trojan Nation [God, what a SHAMELESS plug by me!)
I loved the pencil talk. This was one of my earliest hobbies, collecting unsharpened pencils (predates my PEZ and Hot Wheels collections). Those 70s style NFL pencils were like my prized possessions. When I was getting stuff together when we moved this summer I can across a tackle box filled with pencils. I’m going to have to snap some photos.
#84 by Broker75 on 11.07.07 3:00 pm |
My computer is not allowing me to open the Cubs|interleague link included in the ticker, however interleague games draw huge numbers in attendance, and myself being from an American League city who enjoys National League ball look forward to teams like the Brewers to come to town, also the Giants, Pirates, Dodgers (in a uniform sense). Interleague can stay, just cut the regular season games down to 100, 110.. I’m not sure how many times a year teams play eachother from other divisions but for example, teams like Detroit playing the A’s 6 or 9 times a year sound pointless, or the Marlins vs D’Backs too. I know what I am getting at, but it seems to be coming out on paper “confusingly”..
#85 by ScottyJ in WV on 11.07.07 3:16 pm |
Lutter said:
Love the Van Halen helmet!
#86 by Jason G. on 11.07.07 3:18 pm |
Mike W. said:
Forgive my ignorance and I apologize if this is offensive in any way, but I always thought Chief was a title not a name. Kind of like Sargent in the military. Am I incorrect in thinking this?
#87 by Matthew S. on 11.07.07 3:21 pm |
Jason G. said:
In this case, I do believe it is his name. My favorite college sports names are still this: http://baylorbears.c...
and this: http://deadspin.com/...
#88 by Chris ATL on 11.07.07 3:21 pm |
Mike W. said:
ASU Hornets are NOB
#89 by todd krevanchi on 11.07.07 3:23 pm |
Christopher said:
is this a real person?
7 feet tall 245 lbs? is it keith closs?
pics anyone?
the only nation is…
http://farm3.static....
#90 by Rick on 11.07.07 3:31 pm |
Rick said:
You mean how ‘Major’ is a rank and not a first name?
#91 by ScottyJ in WV on 11.07.07 3:34 pm |
Uni-related news out of Morgantown, WV.
Coach Rod, on his radio show last night, said that for this Thursday night’s contest with Louisville, the Mountaineers are going gold on gold.
[sarcasm]That oughtta look nice.[/sarcasm]
#92 by Jason G. on 11.07.07 4:04 pm |
Rick said:
Right, I think. Major is a first name though (Major Applewhite).
#93 by tedkerwin on 11.07.07 4:08 pm |
Giants Red Jersey Explanation
#94 by Matt Powers on 11.07.07 4:09 pm |
Don’t you remember “Spaceballs”?
“Major _ _ _hole”
http://datacore.scif...
#95 by steve on 11.07.07 4:24 pm |
Matt Powers said:
Comb the desert!
We ain’t found S***!
#96 by Joey Guns on 11.07.07 4:40 pm |
tedkerwin said:
It looks like the Giants are having a “RED OUT” this weekend against Dallas. They’re asking all fans to wear red.
http://assets.giants...
#97 by Dane on 11.07.07 4:42 pm |
Mike said:
Not available in South Carolina.
#98 by Chris ATL on 11.07.07 4:56 pm |
Chris ATL said:
Sorry should have been NNOB
#99 by Husker E10 on 11.07.07 5:08 pm |
Nothing earth shattering here…but I was just going to Iowa State’s Athletic Webiste and noticed their web background was a mesh jersey.
http://www.cyclones....
Any other websites like this?
#100 by Perry on 11.07.07 5:15 pm |
Kek said:
I don’t know about that. I happened to be in the Atlanta airport one Sunday evening last year when the Steelers had played there, and there sure were a lot of people in Steeler jerseys. I was impressed, and I’m a Browns fan.
#101 by Perry on 11.07.07 5:17 pm |
Jason G. said:
And don’t forget Major Major Major Major from Catch-22.
#102 by Matthew S. on 11.07.07 5:34 pm |
Perry said:
Ah yes, they promoted him to Major straight from Lieutenant because someone felt the joke was too good to pass up. Great book.
#103 by Jason G. on 11.07.07 5:54 pm |
Anybody seen this site.
The Clover Farms uniform on this page is awesome.
Sorry if this is a repost.
#104 by Minna H. on 11.07.07 6:33 pm |
And now, women wear next to nothing when they play some sports (i.e., volleyball). Man, are we (women) held hostage to the fashion demands of the times or what.
Hey, Paul, Giants are wearing red this weekend? I’m there! (I’m not your complete bitch yet).
#105 by Johnny O on 11.07.07 6:41 pm |
Chris ATL said:
Does this count?
IrvinSmith
#106 by Kevin F on 11.07.07 6:45 pm |
It doesn’t look like anyone’s posted anything about this — several companies have had high-vis soccer balls for several years. They’re used, especially in the German Bundesliga, for winter games where it’s hard to see the ball against the white snow on tv. Here’s a picture.
#107 by noonan on 11.07.07 6:54 pm |
Does anyone know why the hand writing on the LOC pictures is reversed, but the pictures themselves are not?
#108 by DJ on 11.07.07 7:15 pm |
close up of wake’s ribbon patch for skip:
http://img252.images...
#109 by =bg= on 11.07.07 7:54 pm |
The story on the Cowboys jerseys. Back in like 89 or so, the Cowboys hooked up with APEX. I think it was Jimmy Johnson cutting his own deal. Then the whole team went with Apex. The Cowboys came up with the Double Star uni without league knowledge. Then Apex folded, and the Cowboys went a season with no markings…and signed a deal with Nike, again outside the league…and Nike had to uni affiliation (yet) with the NFL.
#110 by Stuby on 11.07.07 8:28 pm |
Pat said:
This last week, I’m pretty sure the front, back and shoulders were upside down. I tend to agree with the upside down ‘18′ theory.
#111 by Matt Lesser on 11.07.07 8:39 pm |
Columbus Blue Jackets and Chicago Blackhawks in Chicago. Chicago in white, Jackets in blue. Odd, yet somehow right.
ITS JACKETS TIME!
#112 by Drew on 11.07.07 8:44 pm |
CALIFORNIA IS GETTING NEW FOOTBALL UNIS NEXT YEAR. FOR PROOF, IF YOU ARE A SUBSCRIBER TO SPORTS ILLUSTRATED CHECK OUT THE ISSUE WITH TOM BRADY THAT SAYS ‘YES, THAT GOOD.’ GO TO THE ARTICLE IN THE BACK WITH THE HS RECRUIT THAT IS A WR, AND READ IT. THE RECRUIT SAYS THEY ARE A COMBINATION OF OLD SCHOOL AND NEW SCHOOL. THOUGHTS?
#113 by Stuby on 11.07.07 8:50 pm |
Robert said:
I think the first two that I recall hearing were ‘Sooner Nation’ and ‘Raider Nation’. It’s apparent in sports, like in Hollywood, that there are no original ideas. Like all the guys that put their damn area code on their eye-black or that year when every baseball team played that insipid “Who Let the Dogs Out?” after a win.
If I hear the phrase ‘Red Sox Nation’ again, I’m gonna barf.
#114 by MLB2PDX on 11.07.07 9:05 pm |
Drew said:
I doubt they’d change the helmet, but I always thought it’d look cool if they used either of these logos instead of the script “Cal”. Still keep the yellow on blue though.
(I’m sure there are better examples out there)
#1
#2
#115 by Stuby on 11.07.07 9:47 pm |
MLB2PDX said:
I think the Golden Bear in profile on a navy helmet would be pretty cool.
#116 by Robert on 11.07.07 9:53 pm |
Perry said:
Ah yes, the greatest book every written. Good call.
#117 by Sammy on 11.07.07 9:58 pm |
Matthew S. said:
I wasn’t sure if I was going to be the only one to come up with that. Good job.
I am too young to remember MLB before Interleague, but it seems natural to me, as the NBA, NHL, and NFL all play between the leagues evenly. I don’t mind it at all. It’s not the fault of interleague games that the World Series isn’t exciting; until last year, only once had teams played during the season, last year, the Tigers swept the Cards during the season, but were demolished during the Series.
#118 by Mike Engle on 11.07.07 10:06 pm |
Robert said:
How about Animal Farm? That had a character Old Major.
#119 by Stuby on 11.07.07 10:07 pm |
Sammy said:
So, you probably don’t remember the year the World Series was cancelled or playoffs without a wildcard team either? Wow, I feel really old right now.
#120 by LI Phil on 11.07.07 10:14 pm |
Stuby said:
not only that…the D-Rays have ALWAYS been in the league
holy crap i feel old too
#121 by Mike Engle on 11.07.07 10:22 pm |
LI Phil said:
I was 8 when Interleague was introduced. I distinctly remember liking it at first because history was being made every game (first ever regular season game between teams and what not). I started getting annoyed with it soon after, though. I remember asking my dad in 2000, “How awesome would the Yankees/Mets World Series have been without Interleague?”
#122 by Dave A on 11.07.07 10:38 pm |
Patrick said:
Whenever I go to an out-of-town baseball game, I try to pick up a team pencil. Most teams have them, especially in the minor leagues. I probably have 40 or 50.
#123 by Dusty on 11.07.07 10:45 pm |
Sabres were in white at home tonight. The way it should be.
#124 by =bg= on 11.07.07 10:53 pm |
Johnny O said:
that first one, that’s exactly it. a sneak attack by jerry jones. i had an actual aikman game jersey one of those.
#125 by Kim on 11.08.07 12:03 am |
Regarding the Hi-Viz ball. Various European leagues use a high visibility (yellow/orange) ball during the winter months. Since a white ball on white snow can be difficult to see. It used to be that they’d only switch if needed, but in recent years (and sponsorship money) they’ve switched full-time during the winter.
I remember seeing Bundesliga (Germany) games in the seventies with these types of balls.
My high school had them in the 80’s.
Nike is just promoting the high visibility edition of their latest ball, not the advent of high visibility balls in general.
#126 by Jordan on 11.08.07 12:11 am |
I loved those old Cowboy ‘double star’ jerseys. I think they would be sweet if they used that design for their seldom used blues. (The Whites are fine). In the movie “Little Giants,” the Cowboys wear a similar style (if not the same).
#127 by Jordan on 11.08.07 12:13 am |
Here is a picture from Little Giants in case nobody knows what I am talking about…
http://www.childreno...
(not sure how to format it, so just copy and paste into your browser).
#128 by Ben on 11.08.07 12:20 am |
steve said:
Oh man, memory lane! I loved those things!
#129 by Ben on 11.08.07 12:31 am |
=bg= said:
Looks like they wore the true silver pants and not the “green-silver” pants with the white version of that jersey. Wonder if they’ve worn silver and white any other time?
#130 by dm00n on 11.08.07 12:46 am |
Matt Lesser said:
There was a good discussion of the uniforms during the Red Wings game tonight. It started with a promo for this box (third ad box down in the right margin) on the Detroit Red Wings website:
dm00n said:
Ken Daniels then asked Mickey Redmond what he preferred and he said that he wouldn’t mind them seeing them play home games in each uniform for half the year. The other guy in the booth said he likes white at home so you can see all the other teams in full colors. Daniels agreed that a lot of the road teams look the same coming through in white. Then they all agreed that the Wings didn’t screw up their uniforms with the changes. (There was some talk about teams dropping the horizontal stripe, but they didn’t single out Nashville).
Watching the game in HD, you could tell how thin the new jerseys are. You could see the blue of the Preds pants through their white jerseys.
#131 by dm00n on 11.08.07 12:50 am |
How is a darkish yellow (or any yellow) ball high visibility for low light conditions? Seems to me that white would stand out on a green playing surface more than yellow in any lighting, especially low lighting. When the link called it a high visibility ball, i was expecting something like those day-glo green golf balls.
#132 by Helen on 11.08.07 12:59 am |
Glad you enjoyed the timeline — had NO idea there were such fans of uniforms…. was intrigued by the analysis of the uniforms. If you’re bored and wish to work your way through the years, the timeline has some notes on rule changes related to uniforms.. front and back… logo….etc.
Hmm… reminds me I need to update it and check out the bad links.
#133 by dm00n on 11.08.07 1:25 am |
noonan said:
Probably someone wrote on the negatives.
#134 by john on 11.08.07 8:46 am |
andy said:
What’s really cool about the Hossa borthers is the inverted numbers, Marian with 18 and Marcel with 81.
#135 by ScottyJ in WV on 11.08.07 9:25 am |
Ben said:
Me too, Ben!! I had TONS of those!
#136 by EK on 11.08.07 8:48 pm |
Boy, the Devil Rays new uniforms sure suck (unveiled tonight). In 06 they wore sweet Tampa Tarpons throwbacks, and this year they wore even awesomer St Pete Saints throwbacks. So it’s not like they don’t know how to make uniforms that don’t totally blow.
Anyhoo, if anyone can find a picture of video of Jerry Jones in uniform and pads, you will have my eternal gratitude.