I could probably do an entire entry just on this photo. Where to begin? The upturned collar, the number on the sleeve, the vertical placket insignia, the amazing crest, the off-center belt buckle, the striped undersleeves — it’s a visual feast.
That shot (along with this one, which shows the same player with a different uni number) was turned up by reader Jeff Lindquist, who found it while poking around the Library of Congress’s George Grantham Bain Collection, a mother lode of old news agency pics. I’ve always meant to spend more time exploring the LoC’s archive, but it’s a daunting task, because the collection is so big that it can seem overwhelming. So it’s nice when someone else sifts through everything and comes up with some gems, as Lindquist has done. Here are some more pics he turned up:
• Another great vertical insignia here.
• Always good to see more shots of the Giants’ plaid uniforms from 1916.
• Here’s a player from the St. Louis Terriers, one of the early Federal League teams. Note the Federal League logo on the sleeve — “kinda reminds you of a recently redesigned logo from some other league, doesn’t it?” notes Lindquist. Interestingly, the league logo was similar to the team’s logo, which is visible on this sweater. Not sure if all the other Federal League teams had similar logos.
• Speaking of sweaters: As many of you know, I have a serious thing for old baseball sweaters, so I’m totally drooling over this, this, this, and this.
• I’d previously seen this Cubs logo in the Dressed to the Nines templates but never in an actual photo — nice.
• Here’s something from our old uniform cameo project: Babe Ruth as a New York Giant, from an off-season exhibition.
• Check out the American flag patch that the Dodgers wore in 1917, to support the war effort.
• The Yankees didn’t start wearing pinstriped uniforms until 1912, but they appear to have had a pinstriped jacket of some sort in 1909.
• Here’s a Chinese baseball team, from 1910. Almost looks like they’re wearing conventional collared business shirts.
• Bizarre shots here of the Yankees and Tigers doing drill exercises — with rifles!
Uni Watch News Ticker: I’ve recently made the acquaintance of the thoroughly enjoyable Susquehanna Industrial Tool & Die Co., whose frontman, Michael McMahon, was kind enough to loan me a pair of gorgeous vintage baseball pants (which didn’t have that big grass stain when he last saw them — oops), complete with nice side piping, even nicer belt tunnels and flap pockets, and — my favorite detail — gold braid on the inner waistband. I paired the pants with a chromatically compatible vintage jersey for my Sunday softball game, where my buddy Joel Wilhelmi snapped some fore and aft shots. The grass stains were the result of two sliding catches in left field (one of which shouldn’t have necessitated a slide — I got a really bad jump). … Reader Ryan Goldstein, who plays club tennis at Georgetown, recently asked me for advice about having an “MEJ” notation added to the club’s shirt sleeves, in memory of former teammate MIke Jurist. Since Georgetown is in DC, I put Ryan in touch with Baltimore’s Joe Hilseberg, who fixed them up right. “We were able to wear them at a tournament two weekends ago in NYC at the National Tennis Center, as well as last weekend at the University of Maryland Invitational,” writes Ryan. … The family that plays together stays together — especially if they’re wearing stirrups. That’s the message from Paul Wiederecht, who sent along a veritable family albums of pics of his father (here and here), his brothers (here, here, and here), and himself (here and here). … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: The Reds played a pants prank on Norris Hopper the other day. … Also from yesterday: Scott Player’s famously loose-bolted single-bar facemask (which has resulted in a good nickname) was seriously askew on the last play of Sunday’s Browns/Raiders game (something that’s happened to him before). … Eric Westover was at Utah/UNLV game the other day and got a shot of Eddie Wide III, whose nameplate includes a roman-numeral ordinal. … Rob Montoya notes that DeSean Jackson had his jersey tucked into his belt the other day. … Laura Frye reports that the Missouri women’s soccer team wore pink jerseys (for breast cancer research) and black wristbands (in memory of former teammate Meggie Malm, who’d been killed in a car accident the night before) on Friday. … LSU will be wearing special Katrina uniforms on Saturday against Tulane (which will mark their first use of white helmets since the 1997 Independence Bowl). Lots of additional images here, full details are here, and there’s a video report here. … According to a small entry buried on this Q&A page, the Patriots will ditch their silver alternate jersey in 2009 and go with a red throwback jersey instead (with thanks to Ryan Van Buskirk). … I’m going to be visiting the ESPN mother ship up in Bristol for most of today, so talk among yourselves and play nice. Meanwhile, I have something very special planned for tomorrow — see you then.
#1 by Monte on 09.25.07 8:54 am |
More complaints about the Reebok NHL jerseys
This is from the Calgary Flames
#2 by Monte on 09.25.07 8:54 am |
Link didn’t take
http://calsun.canoe....
#3 by BJ on 09.25.07 8:56 am |
I kinda dig the Katrina jersey. Not too bad by the Nike folks….(Crap! Did I just type that?)
#4 by Cathy on 09.25.07 8:58 am |
Meanwhile, I have something very special planned for tomorrow — see you then.
TEASE!
#5 by Dane on 09.25.07 8:59 am |
I received the shop.NHL.com catalog in the mail yesterday. Please enjoy the following marketing drivel:
NEW 2007 Rbk EDGE Authentic Jerseys
These jersey authenticate the on-ice player-worn Pro-cut jersey in fabric, trim and team design lines and feature a four-way stretch body material with Bead Away, a water repellent treatment.
“Authenticate”???? So am I buying the jersey the players wear on the ice, or something that kinda sorta resembles it? And if I’m not buying the on-ice product, then why are you charging me $250!!!
#6 by Matt B on 09.25.07 9:01 am |
Top “visual feast” image has got to be a Knights of Columbus team.
#7 by Chi-town Joe on 09.25.07 9:02 am |
Paul - Simply awesome hat you have there. I love throwback hats but they are never in the right style as yours is there. Where’d you get that?
#8 by Original Jim on 09.25.07 9:06 am |
Paul, about those gold braids inside the pants…were they rubbery or otherwise textured?
I think those braids are just there to help keep the jersey tucked in. I have those in the pants I wear to officiate baseball and basketball.
#9 by Paul Lukas on 09.25.07 9:13 am |
That hat, oddly enough, was a giveaway at a chocolate-tasting event I attended two yrs ago. I have absolutely no idea why it was included in the goodie bag — maybe because it’s brown..? Anyway, yes, it is very nicely retro-styled. It’s made by this company.
Not rubbery. A bit raised/textured. And yes, I think they may have been intended to provide a bit of anti-untuck friction.
#10 by Morgan Doninger on 09.25.07 9:18 am |
I read that in last night’s Devils/Flyers preseason game that Jay Pandolfo of the New Jersey Devils took a shot to his helmet that knocked the numbers off of it. Was the game broadcast in Philly? Are there any pictures of this?
#11 by JJD on 09.25.07 9:21 am |
According to a small entry buried on this Q&A page, the Patriots will ditch their silver alternate jersey in 2009 and go with a red throwback jersey instead
That is fantastic. I ::heart:: Pat the Patriot.
#12 by My name is not Earl on 09.25.07 9:23 am |
Those LSU jerseys would look better if they didn’t have those “fragments” of their usual shoulder stripes. Either have the full stripes and put the patches elsewhere or just have a plain jersey.
I suppose this means Tulane will be wearing white at home.
#13 by Adam on 09.25.07 9:27 am |
I don’t know offhand where to find it, but I’ve seen shots of the White Sox doing drill exercises with rifles as well. Guess it was a common thing during the first world war.
#14 by Ellen on 09.25.07 9:29 am |
As a knitter, I was especially taken with the baseball sweaters. They remind me of the greatest hockey fan sweater of all time, shown here: http://www.yarnharlo...
#15 by Jason on 09.25.07 9:32 am |
They would also look better if they weren’t on those frightening looking mannequins. Seriously, I can’t be the only one freaked out a little by those, can I?
#16 by Peter Wunsch on 09.25.07 9:33 am |
Last nights Ranger-Islander game featured a goalie fight with both goalies losing their jerseys. Is this ther fault of the new jerseys or do gaolies not wear the fight strap?
#17 by Jason on 09.25.07 9:33 am |
P.S. Was the eye-black really necessary?
#18 by Joe Drennan on 09.25.07 9:38 am |
Questions on the actual authentic RBK Edge jerseys actualy being just like the ones players wear raises questions with me. Someone mentioned yeterday some authentic jerseys don’t have the fight strap. In previous models, it was that fight strap that made the jersey authentic, that and the NHL sheild next to the CCM logo and the patches actualy being sewn on instead of heat applied.
If there is no fight strap, no reason to spend the extra money for the authentic.
Side note - as a goalie I wore my fight strap simply to keep my jersey from tucking into the back of my breezers. I love the fight strap, if anything just because of the name.
#19 by Jon L on 09.25.07 9:40 am |
I’m sure you own it, but if you don’t, you ought to check out this book. It has a lot of great old baseball pictures. The Game That Was
#20 by Jason on 09.25.07 9:42 am |
Saw this while reading an article and thought you would be interested. Here is the link: http://www.philly.co...
New-look Phils
David Buck, the Phillies’ senior vice president of marketing and advertising sales, confirmed that the team would have an alternate home uniform next season. It is expected to have a throwback look with a modern touch. Expect the uniform to be unveiled before the end of the year
#21 by Boston Nick on 09.25.07 9:44 am |
Absolutely…I was commenting on another message board on Sunday how ugly those silver Pats unis are. Combined with the Bills blue-on-blue (or really, any combo of the current Bills unis that doesn’t include the throwback), it was a truly ugly game for us Uni Watchers on Sunday.
Hopefully with the throwback thirds, we’ll be able to get a couple good hat styles with Pat the Patriot on em.
#22 by Duckstyle on 09.25.07 9:44 am |
Anyone if there are any companies that make old-school baseball cleats as well. I friend of mine just brought it up in passing that having an old-timey pair of cleats to wear for softball games would look pretty sweet. Now here I am spending all last night online searching for a site that sells something that look older than mid-eighties. Any ideas?
#23 by Graf Zeppelin on 09.25.07 9:44 am |
Regarding the Patriots’ plans to don red retros in 2009…
I was just pondering recently, during an interminable morning drive, that 2009 will be the 50th Anniversary of the AFL (i.e., 50th season of football for the 8 original 1960 franchises). On the 25th Anniversary in 1984, each of the 8 teams wore commemorative patches on their jerseys with the AFL logo and the team’s current helmet design; the NFL didn’t start wearing “throwbacks,” really, until the Jets did it for one game in 1993 and then the whole league went retro for the 75th Season in 1994.
Clearly, as I get back on point, the 2009 season will present a grand opportunity for some serious retro styling. The Jets are already dressing up as the Titans this year; the Bills have their mid-’60s throwbacks and we saw a few others in 1994. Might we see the Bills go all the way back to silver helmets and light blue jerseys? The Broncos in brown and gold with vertical-striped socks? The Raiders in black helmets with gold trim and rounded numerals? The Chiefs with the state of Texas on their helmets, the Chargers with thick block numerals on theirs, and the Patriots with 18th-century headwear on theirs? And will the Titans break out those excellent 1960 Houston Oilers duds they wore in ‘94?
#24 by Chi-town Joe on 09.25.07 9:45 am |
#25 by JeffB on 09.25.07 9:47 am |
That Reds “tight pants” prank is the funniest one I’ve heard in a long time. Has anyone ever heard of that one being pulled before? Sheer genius.
#26 by Stuby on 09.25.07 9:52 am |
That “WIDE III” Reminds me of Acie LAW IV. I wonder if Law will be allowed to do that in the NBA.
#27 by Hank on 09.25.07 9:56 am |
Rbk Jerseys: Watched the Flyers/Devils game last night. Didn’t see the hit where the helmet number flew off, but those jerseys do appear to restrict movement, no matter how ’stretchy’ they may claim to be. As for the sweating problem in the Calgary Sun article, I have a couple of tee-shirts that are made with this water/stain repelent fabric and I find that it prevents as much perspiration from being wicked away as repelling moisture.
#28 by Dane on 09.25.07 9:57 am |
Allow me to quote more from the Book of ShopNHL:
Authentic: “An authentic tie down ‘fight’ strap is attached inside the lower back of the jersey.”
Authentic: “Name and numbers are sewn-on multi-layer tackle-twill.”
Premier: “Name and numbers are heat-pressed multi-color single-layer screen-printed twill.”
Authentic: front and shoulder crests are a combination of direct stitched embroidery and twill applique.
Premier: front crest is a combination of direct stitched embroidery and twill applique; shoulder crests are single-layer screen-printed tackle twill sewn directly onto the jersey.
Also, the Premier will have that rectangular Rbk size tag on the bottom left.
#29 by Bojangles on 09.25.07 10:00 am |
I took a look at the authentics in the Bruins team store last weekend, and they did have the fight strap.
#30 by Pat on 09.25.07 10:00 am |
I really dislike teams “throwing back” to the same uniforms they have already “thrown back” to. I’d rather have a brand new alternate jersey for the Pats than yet another Pat Patriot throwback like they did a few years ago (which didn’t even come close to matching the beauty of the one actually worn during the time period they are actually “throwing back” to).
Unless they are going to switch back full time (which I would welcome with open arms) I say throw back to another era. That’s why I loved the Eagles this past weekend. At least they were doing something different instead of wearing some 70s or 80s throwback like every other team does.
Why can’t the Pats throw back to this helmet. The uniform was basically the same as the Pat Patriot era. Or check out this uniform from the Boston Patriots era. Or this one.
I know there is some natural instinct for teams to go for the same old throwback that people love for marketing reasons but the Eagles showed some balls this past Sunday and wore something different. I know the Eagles were throwing back for their 75th anniversary but couldn’t the Pats think about doing the same thing.
Hell, I’d even take this as a throwback as something different. No one would have seen that coming.
#31 by Mark in Shiga on 09.25.07 10:02 am |
Paul, what year is that Denver photo from? It looks like it could be from before the major leagues’ introduction of uniform numbers in 1929. Didn’t Cleveland have numbers on the sleeves in 1915 or 1916 or thereabouts? Is this photo notewprthy for more than just the look?
#32 by Matt O. on 09.25.07 10:05 am |
This is my first post here, but I’ve had some thoughts about the new Rays jersey that I wanted some input on that I haven’t seen anyone else comment on yet.
It seems to me that the oodles of dollars that they paid whatever company to come up with what amounts to a rather bland copycat logo might have gone toward helping ease the way into a move. In addition to eliminating the city name from the away jersey…
A) Changing the name from Devil Rays to Rays allows them to claim a larger part of the Sunshine State (hence the much-maligned sunburst in the new logo). They keep the fish on a sleeve patch to make the transition more gradual.
B) The name Tampa Bay Rays is just clunky. “Tampa Bay Devil Rays has the same cadence (order of stressed syllabes) in both halves (stressed-unstressed-somewhat stressed). The new name does not have this symmetry. However, Orlando Rays has a unstressed-stressed unstressed-stressed cadence that sounds much more pleasing to the ear.
Put these alongside the exploratory games in Orlando this season and the fact that MLB has all but demanded that the Rays find a new place to play by 2010 (or is it after 2010?) and this is doesn’t look to good for the city of Tampa and it’s surrounding area, unless you count unloading a perrineal loser.
Sorry for the long post and the tangential-at-best nature of this to uniforms, I couldn’t think of a better group of folks to get input from. Thanks!
#33 by ScottyJ in WV on 09.25.07 10:05 am |
Those Philadelphia sweaters are great!
#34 by Pat on 09.25.07 10:06 am |
On another note, those two Boston Patriots cards I linked to are confusing. Could they be pictures from guys wearing another teams uni? I got them from this site which has a bunch of wierd colors in the pictures. I still say they should do something different, but I could be off with my suggestions.
#35 by todd krevanchi on 09.25.07 10:06 am |
a. in the early part of last century, mlb players and managers wore woven sweaters over their jerseys. in todays post PL shows a lot of examples.
over time fabrics and textiles have changed, but players and managers still wear garments over their jerseys, be it a jacket, fleece pullover, or hoody (all three seen here)
another thing that has changed over time is what they call these “over garments”. official supplier majestic calls them jacket, fleece and sweatshirt. why? because they arent sweaters anymore.
i just cant agree with calling hockey jerseys, “sweaters” especially now, with performance textiles and fabrics. its not a sweater.
b. M&N would have a field day with some of the above apparel. those sweaters, and especially that yanks jacket are really sharp.
c. from the hat website, i thought this was somewhat interesting… and appropriate to the site…
d. from yesterday, the chicago simeon high school player was ben wilson whose number is honored.
#36 by Joe Schmeltzer on 09.25.07 10:08 am |
Now for something completely different:
This is obviously old news but has anyone heard the story about how Ron Wolf almost changed the Packers uniforms in 1994? Apparently, it was just a signature away from happening, but he decided that new people on the field is what he really needed (I read it here) Here is the website author’s interpretation of what it would have looked like.
I am thinking that it would have ended up looking something like this or this.
So I am wondering, what do a bunch of People That Get It think of this? Personally (and I say this as a hardcore lifelong Packer fan) I think it would be an improvement. I never liked the Packer’s color combination (Sorry Paul).
Also, do any of you think this will happen any time soon. I didn’t think there was a chance in hell, but then I was reminded of this and thought, “Where’s the yellow?” It just kind of makes me wonder…
#37 by scott d on 09.25.07 10:10 am |
Yep. That was my first thought as well.
#38 by todd krevanchi on 09.25.07 10:12 am |
whoops,
http://www.goorin.co...
#39 by Graf Zeppelin on 09.25.07 10:13 am |
I think those cards show the men in their college uniforms. Some card mfrs used to do that for rookies before they had a photo of the player in his pro uniform, and it was harder to airbrush in the new team’s colors without making it look fake.
#40 by Jason G. on 09.25.07 10:17 am |
Blasphemy.
#41 by Chance on 09.25.07 10:18 am |
Thanks for linking to my site - hope you like it.
I would have welcomed the change, and still would. That proposed uniform would have bridged the gap between the two great Packer eras, reflecting a little bit of Vince Lombardi and a little bit of Curly Lambeau. Plus it has the added benefit of getting rid of the last remnants of Forrest Gregg’s “improvements”.
I don’t think it’ll happen. They could have done it then, when the Packers were mired at the end of decades of futility. But change the uniform Brett Favre wore? Not unless and until we have a couple decades of bad football in our future.
#42 by BCrisp on 09.25.07 10:18 am |
Hey Pual, nice soccer cleats. I love my Copas. I think I’ve been wearing the same pair for about 5 years now.
#43 by Chance on 09.25.07 10:20 am |
No. Not going to happen - the city of St. Petersburg, who hold the lease, are not going to let the Rays out of it.
Should they move? Absolutely. But the only thing that keeps them in Florida at all - the dome’s lease - keeps them locked to St. Petersburg.
#44 by Orange and Blue on 09.25.07 10:21 am |
Wow…That Calgary Sun article indicates these new sweaters are a real debacle….
#45 by Stuby on 09.25.07 10:24 am |
Welcome to the Party, Matt O.
I find it hard to believe that if a team was thinking about relocating that they would telegraph the move by taking the city/state/region off the road jersey. I mean, the hat still says ‘TB’. Most likely a team wouldn’t move in during the season, so they would most likely have time to produce new road unis.
And the total syllables of ‘Tampa Bay Devil Rays’ has nothing on the Philadelphia 76ers or San Francisco 49ers. I agree, though, that ‘Tampa Bay Rays’ is just a bad moniker and doesn’t flow as well as the original.
#46 by Stuby on 09.25.07 10:26 am |
If so, were those players from Minnesota and LSU? I’ll go check and report back.
#47 by Graf Zeppelin on 09.25.07 10:27 am |
What about “Indianapolis Colts?” I always thought “Indiana Colts” would have been much more pleasing to the tongue and ear.
#48 by Stuby on 09.25.07 10:29 am |
Yep. Minnesota & LSU. Nailed it.
#49 by J excel on 09.25.07 10:30 am |
For some more photos of vertical lettering, as well as upturned collars with lettering even- here’s my contribution take out of my mitchell and ness closet this morning:
White Sox 1911 and 1912
::john
#50 by BCrisp on 09.25.07 10:34 am |
I’ve known Paul loves old sweaters, but I never thought to show him my own. Each year the Fightin’ Texas Aggie Band Juniors receive a varsity cardigan. They’ve doen this for a long time, and the design has not changed. Here is the class of 2007 getting theirs.
Here’s a closer look at an older one.
Yes they still wear these to class in uniform. I have mine hung up in my house. It is beautifuly made, and has my name stitched on the inside.
#51 by GCap on 09.25.07 10:38 am |
any chance that the nhl would go back to the old style of jersey like the nba went to the old basketball midseason last year?
#52 by tape on 09.25.07 10:39 am |
Frankly, if the Packers implemented those changes (specifically changing the “athletic gold”, i.e. yellow, to “metallic gold”), it would suck all of the soul out of their look and the team. The Green Bay Packers uniforms have existed in their current form (except for what amounts to variations in striping patterns) since 1959, and are ingrained into the mind of every football fan. Those uniforms are part of the iconography of sports in much the same way as the Yankees, Celtics or Canadiens uniforms are. To change them for something completely different would be sacrilege.
#53 by zorro on 09.25.07 10:43 am |
Note the Federal League logo on the sleeve — “kinda reminds you of a recently redesigned logo from some other league, doesn’t it?” notes Lindquist.
So now the new NFL logo must be amazing, right? ‘Cause it’s really a throwback to the early 20th Century. And everyone here knows that everything old is automatically and unquestionably “classy”, right?
#54 by Adam on 09.25.07 10:43 am |
That seems unlikely to me, just because so many teams have new designs that are made just for the new type of uniform. Changing uniforms for an entire league mid-season would be much more difficult than changing a ball.
#55 by Mark in Shiga on 09.25.07 10:44 am |
And order all new jerseys in mid-season? I doubt it.
I could see them changing back next year, though. Are players wearing sweat-absorbent undershirts to counteract the sweat-repelling sweaters? It would be interesting to find out how the guys who don’t like these jerseys are dealing with them.
#56 by Matt on 09.25.07 10:48 am |
As to the Federal League stuff, distant replays has some of their uniforms. Here are a couple
#57 by Matt on 09.25.07 10:49 am |
that didn’t work because I’m dumb but if you search teams like Chicago Whales or Brooklyn Tip Tops you can see them on distantreplays.com
#58 by Chance on 09.25.07 10:50 am |
When you have nothing substantive to say, take a swipe at your fellow posters….
#59 by Joe Schmeltzer on 09.25.07 10:51 am |
Those were almost my exact thoughts about bridging the gap! I knew some people would think it heresy for me to suggest that a change would be better, because the pack has been green and “gold” for so long, but I think the casual fan doesn’t realize the origins in blue and (actual) gold and later to green and (actual) gold.
Great site, by the way!
#60 by possum on 09.25.07 10:51 am |
Earlier this year the Braves followed Pittsburgh into some city (Cincy maybe?). The Pirates were getting cleaned up in the locker room to leave when the visiting clubhouse manager was putting out the Braves jerseys. Adam LaRoche, who got traded last year, cut the crotch out of all the Braves’ pants. There’s a link out there somewhere, but I’m at work.
#61 by Chance on 09.25.07 10:52 am |
I cannot agree (especially since the only constant of the Packers’ first forty years was change), but Ron Wolf eventually came around to your way of thinking.
#62 by Joe on 09.25.07 10:52 am |
Interesting article here linking the problems with the new NHL unis and similar business process failures.
#63 by Vince DeMarco on 09.25.07 10:54 am |
Not to get too far off topic, but why do all sports teams from the City of Tampa go by “Tampa Bay” - a geographic feature, and not a city? We don’t call them the Detroit River Tigers.
It seems to have started with the Bucs, who may have been going for some sort of Green Bay thing, no? (After one year in the AFC, the Bucs were moved to the old NFC Central, which led to (the late) Pete Axthelm’s “Bay of Pigs” moniker to describe a Packers-Bucs matchup.)
#64 by Perry on 09.25.07 10:55 am |
Unlike WW II, during WW I the government wanted to shut baseball down for the duration. Baseball had to make several concessions to keep operating, including a Sept. 1 end to the season. Players who weren’t yet drafted were also required to do regular military drill.
#65 by Teebz on 09.25.07 10:56 am |
… and I weigh in with hockey-related items.
1) The fighting strap must be secured for every player on the ice, including the goalie. Failure to secure the strap and is caught by the officials is an automatic game misconduct regardless of the situation. Rule 24A, part (e) reads as follows: “Jerseys must be ‘tied down’ properly at all times.”
Rule 56 states as follows:
“A player who deliberately removes his sweater prior to participating in an altercation or who is clearly wearing a sweater that has been modified and does not conform to Rule 24A — Players’ Jerseys, shall be assessed a minor penalty for Unsportsmanlike Conduct and a game misconduct. This is in addition to other penalties to be assessed to the participants of an altercation.
A player who engages in fisticuffs and whose sweater is removed (completely off his torso), other than through the actions of his opponent in the altercation or through the actions of the Linesman, shall be assessed a game misconduct penalty.
A player who engages in fisticuffs and whose sweater is not properly “tied-down” (sweater properly fastened to pants), and who loses his sweater (completely off his torso) in that altercation, shall receive a game misconduct.
A player who is involved in an altercation, when the opponent has been identified as an instigator, shall not be assessed a game misconduct if his sweater should be removed by an opponent or an Official in the discharge of his duties.”
In the case of both goalies, they should have been issued game misconducts for improperly securing their jerseys.
2) On the flip side, maybe they were just too hot and needed to strip down? :o)
#66 by dm00n on 09.25.07 10:56 am |
Was at the Detroit Tigers game last night.
Pudge Rodriguez has gone from this (Friday, Sept. 21, 2007) to this (Monday, Sept. 24, 2007).
A good step, but as we can see in this photo, third base coach Gene Lamont wears some almost completely obscured stirrups. They are in the clubhouse somewhere, Pudge.
#67 by Chance on 09.25.07 10:57 am |
Thanks again.
I’ve long felt like a voice in the wilderness about a change. Heck, in 1994 I suggested that the Packers ought adopt the throwback blue and golds full-time….
But as I said, I think the moment has passed. The only way I can see them changing now is if Favre plays at least one more year and he can inaugurate the new uniforms. Once he retires, the Packers’ uniforms are set in stone for at least another decade.
#68 by possum on 09.25.07 10:59 am |
Teebz (and other hockey nuts), did you notice how ridiculous they look when fighting? I’ve gotta say I’m surprised at how fast Montoya got his arm free and how fast DiPietro got his off altogether. This is the first video I’ve seen of the new shirts in action. They look absurd fighting in those jerseys.
#69 by BCrisp on 09.25.07 10:59 am |
Is all that void because they are not wearing sweaters? :)
#70 by Teebz on 09.25.07 11:02 am |
No, since Rule 24A refers to the uniforms as jerseys. That is the rule on which Rule 56 is based. ;o)
#71 by sj32 on 09.25.07 11:03 am |
About the Yankees and Tigers drilling with rifles, in 1917 the presidents of the American and the National Leagues ordered all players who were not drafted into the armed forces to undergo military training. They usually used bats instead of rifles, but each team was assigned a military instructor to teach them close order drills. At the end of the season, the teams were graded by Army officers with the St. Louis Browns taking home the prize of $500. I found this page from here” rel=”nofollow”> The Cleveland Indians Encyclopedia describing this.
#72 by Sean on 09.25.07 11:03 am |
I know it’s been mentioned that the San Francisco Giants have the worst uni dept. in the bigs, so it should be no surprise that Closer of the Week Tyler Walker was missing his Rod Beck memorial patch last night. I don’t have any screen grabs. Does anyone else? Anyone? Anyone?
#73 by sj32 on 09.25.07 11:05 am |
I can never get the links on this page to work. The article is here:
http://books.google....
Cut and paste at your discression.
#74 by DenverGregg on 09.25.07 11:06 am |
Per the Bain collection’s search engine (querying on “Denver baseball”), the pic is from 1913. So perhaps, like the cheeseburger, uni numbers are a hometown invention!
#75 by Joe Schmeltzer on 09.25.07 11:07 am |
Anyone notice a resemblance? Strange.
#76 by MikeB on 09.25.07 11:08 am |
It is an attempt, from a marketing perspective, to make the team a regional entity as opposed to representing just a single city. It helps to broaden the potential fan base and the area from which the team can solicit potential sponsors. It isn’t an uncommon practice in sports (i.e. New England Patriots, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim), but makes particular sense in Tampa’s case considering the proximity of St. Petersburg (especially considering the Rays actually play in St. Pete).
#77 by Stuby on 09.25.07 11:10 am |
I bring this up every few weeks because it really bugs me. I’m really pissed that the Giants have chosen to observe the passing of Rod Beck, but have made no effort to honor Jose Uribe, who died in Dec. ‘06.
I tried to find out from the team but got nowhere.
#78 by cliff rancho on 09.25.07 11:11 am |
So Norris Hopper wore that joke uniform for 5 innings and none of the photographers there got a picture of it? serious?
#79 by dgc on 09.25.07 11:15 am |
Yeah, it sounds like one of those marketing “rules” that have no basis in reality. Did anyone ever think “Gee, they’re the California Angels, I live in California, I’ll be an Angels fan!” No, you following winning sports teams.
#80 by Randy Miller on 09.25.07 11:17 am |
I believe I have read that the first Tampa Bay franchises — the NASL Rowdies and the NFL Buccaneers — were named Tampa Bay to honor the support of St. Petersburg and Clearwater in making those bids. In the 1970s, Tampa alone was not large enough to support a professional franchise.
And as I said before, my St. Pete friends just seethe whenever some ESPN anchor uses Tampa instead of Tampa Bay.
#81 by Joe Schmeltzer on 09.25.07 11:22 am |
I have wondered that before also - is it perhaps because of the team names chosen? Buccaneers, being seafaring folk, would have a connection with the bay as apposed to the city. Likewise with a Devil Ray - it would be pretty rare to see one in the city of Tampa, I’m sure they prefer the bay. Perhaps a stretch, but that’s how I always thought of it in my head.
#82 by Josh on 09.25.07 11:22 am |
We do that to make St.Pete and Clearwater feel like they are a part of the team (which they really are not). Silly little cities those two…