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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/08/26/sunday-open-thread-46/#comment-136926</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;136779&quot;] When I see places like Wrigley Field and Fenway Park still standing despite being nearly 100 years old, I wonder why people don&#039;t put the effort out to keep other venues going.[/quote]

Have you been to Wrigley Field?  Yes, it&#039;s historic and all that, but it&#039;s not a very nice place to watch a game.  I think a lot of the time, people confuse &quot;old&quot; with &quot;good&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kyle at IU said:</p>
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 When I see places like Wrigley Field and Fenway Park still standing despite being nearly 100 years old, I wonder why people don&#8217;t put the effort out to keep other venues going.</p>
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<p>Have you been to Wrigley Field?  Yes, it&#8217;s historic and all that, but it&#8217;s not a very nice place to watch a game.  I think a lot of the time, people confuse &#8220;old&#8221; with &#8220;good&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Baute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Baute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s place the blame for logo creep where it belongs - on the sports franchises and college athletics administrations.  The major league and major college (even smaller D1 schools) don&#039;t pay retail or even wholesale for most of their gear, or they get big checks from the apparel companies for the right to be called the &quot;official&quot; whatever of MLB, NFL, NCAA, etc.  And the apparel companies only agree to forego compensation for the product because they&#039;re compensated with exposure and brand awareness through logo placement.  MLB, NFL, NCAA, etc. could have uniforms completely free of manufacturers&#039; logos if they wish, but they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s place the blame for logo creep where it belongs &#8211; on the sports franchises and college athletics administrations.  The major league and major college (even smaller D1 schools) don&#8217;t pay retail or even wholesale for most of their gear, or they get big checks from the apparel companies for the right to be called the &#8220;official&#8221; whatever of MLB, NFL, NCAA, etc.  And the apparel companies only agree to forego compensation for the product because they&#8217;re compensated with exposure and brand awareness through logo placement.  MLB, NFL, NCAA, etc. could have uniforms completely free of manufacturers&#8217; logos if they wish, but they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;136773&quot;][quote comment=&quot;136754&quot;][quote comment=&quot;136747&quot;]Do we expect Ford to spend the money to develop, engineer, and produce the F-150 or the Mustang and not put their blue oval on it?[/quote]

Here&#039;s a better analogy: Somewhere there&#039;s a company that makes the brake pedals for Ford cars. Do they put their logo on every pedal? No, because the finished car is not about them -- it&#039;s about Ford.

See?[/quote]

There was a somewhat similar situation in Formula 1 this weekend.  BBS provides wheels to Ferrari.  A few races ago, Ferrari began using wheel covers to improve the aerodynamics.  BBS was not happy that their logo was covered.  So for the Turkish Grand Prix, the wheel covers were painted to look like the inside of the wheel, complete with the BBS logo.  Standing still, they look cheesy.  At high speed, they make Oregon football uniforms look good.
http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/44015_2.jpg[/quote]

No one will probably ever read this. But your picand post about Ferrari brings up another interesting &quot;Logo&quot; tid bit. Ferrari&#039;s main sponser is Marlboro, but they can only have the logo&#039;s on the cars/uniforms for like 2 races a year. The rest of the year the team has those wierd white strip boxes in place of the cig manufacturer logo. For a few years Marlboro puts MILLIONS into the team, and for most races, their logo is not on the car...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Dane said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Paul Lukas said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Greg said:</p>
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Do we expect Ford to spend the money to develop, engineer, and produce the F-150 or the Mustang and not put their blue oval on it?</p>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a better analogy: Somewhere there&#8217;s a company that makes the brake pedals for Ford cars. Do they put their logo on every pedal? No, because the finished car is not about them &#8212; it&#8217;s about Ford.</p>
<p>See?</p>
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<p>There was a somewhat similar situation in Formula 1 this weekend.  BBS provides wheels to Ferrari.  A few races ago, Ferrari began using wheel covers to improve the aerodynamics.  BBS was not happy that their logo was covered.  So for the Turkish Grand Prix, the wheel covers were painted to look like the inside of the wheel, complete with the BBS logo.  Standing still, they look cheesy.  At high speed, they make Oregon football uniforms look good.<br />
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<p>No one will probably ever read this. But your picand post about Ferrari brings up another interesting &#8220;Logo&#8221; tid bit. Ferrari&#8217;s main sponser is Marlboro, but they can only have the logo&#8217;s on the cars/uniforms for like 2 races a year. The rest of the year the team has those wierd white strip boxes in place of the cig manufacturer logo. For a few years Marlboro puts MILLIONS into the team, and for most races, their logo is not on the car&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ThresherK</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/08/26/sunday-open-thread-46/#comment-136814</link>
		<dc:creator>ThresherK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kyle at IU

&lt;i&gt;The Florida Marlins have won two World Series and theyâ€™re about to leave town because the city wonâ€™t give them a half-decent ballpark&lt;/i&gt;

Jeffrey Loria owns this team. Can it seriously be said this snuck up on anybody?


Uni Note: US Women played &quot;Goldfinger&quot; against Finland, won 4-0. I hope they don&#039;t start thinking those jerseys are good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyle at IU</p>
<p><i>The Florida Marlins have won two World Series and theyâ€™re about to leave town because the city wonâ€™t give them a half-decent ballpark</i></p>
<p>Jeffrey Loria owns this team. Can it seriously be said this snuck up on anybody?</p>
<p>Uni Note: US Women played &#8220;Goldfinger&#8221; against Finland, won 4-0. I hope they don&#8217;t start thinking those jerseys are good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;136772&quot;]I actually dont have a problem with Rbk or whomever putting a logo on the jersey. I just wish they wouldnt put it EVERYWEAR to the point that it messes with the overall look. Its really going to hurt on those &lt;a href=&quot;http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/store/item.aspx?ItemId=4925&amp;FID=984&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eagles&lt;/a&gt; throwbacks this year. They didn&#039;t even design the original![/quote]




1980 Sugar Bowl
Notre Dame vs. Georgia

Notre Dameâ€™s White Jerseys have this huge obnoxious â€œCâ€ on the ends of the sleeves. After a quarter I see it is the Champion â€œCâ€. It was my first understanding/recognition of the LOGO CREEP.

I instinctively knew that right then that it was the true beginning of the LOGO CREEP SHIT TRAIN of USA athletes prostituted during forcibly prostituted as Shoe &amp; Apparel Store billboards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Chris said:</p>
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I actually dont have a problem with Rbk or whomever putting a logo on the jersey. I just wish they wouldnt put it EVERYWEAR to the point that it messes with the overall look. Its really going to hurt on those <a href="http://store.philadelphiaeagles.com/store/item.aspx?ItemId=4925&amp;FID=984" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Eagles</a> throwbacks this year. They didn&#8217;t even design the original!</p>
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<p>1980 Sugar Bowl<br />
Notre Dame vs. Georgia</p>
<p>Notre Dameâ€™s White Jerseys have this huge obnoxious â€œCâ€ on the ends of the sleeves. After a quarter I see it is the Champion â€œCâ€. It was my first understanding/recognition of the LOGO CREEP.</p>
<p>I instinctively knew that right then that it was the true beginning of the LOGO CREEP SHIT TRAIN of USA athletes prostituted during forcibly prostituted as Shoe &amp; Apparel Store billboards</p>
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		<title>By: Nick F</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/08/26/sunday-open-thread-46/#comment-136792</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo is right, I have been disappointed the past two weeks to see the hideous brown sock after my hopes were up from the first game.  Chuck posted a comment about Browns Beat Writer Tony Grossi not answering uni related questions, I saw that online today and I wonder why?  I don&#039;t know what he has against the subject, but the Browns uniform is a topic of conversation unlike most places, where nobody cares.  I like Grossi and really respect his opinions but I just don&#039;t get him on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo is right, I have been disappointed the past two weeks to see the hideous brown sock after my hopes were up from the first game.  Chuck posted a comment about Browns Beat Writer Tony Grossi not answering uni related questions, I saw that online today and I wonder why?  I don&#8217;t know what he has against the subject, but the Browns uniform is a topic of conversation unlike most places, where nobody cares.  I like Grossi and really respect his opinions but I just don&#8217;t get him on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Flip</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/08/26/sunday-open-thread-46/#comment-136791</link>
		<dc:creator>Flip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;136779&quot;]&lt;em&gt;[quote comment=&quot;136775&quot;]
Trust me on this one.  My school&#039;s (Indiana) basketball arena is poorly designed and feels really dated in many places.  Still, I will shed a tear when it comes down in a few years because of the memories and history involved in the place.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;It&#039;s all kinda like teams ditching a classic look for silly stripes and a red alternate...sad to see the classics get retired.[/quote]&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Indiana? Red? Silly stripes? Whadda &#039;bout those basketball warmups?  :-) &lt;/em&gt;</description>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">bj said:</p>
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<p>Trust me on this one.  My school&#8217;s (Indiana) basketball arena is poorly designed and feels really dated in many places.  Still, I will shed a tear when it comes down in a few years because of the memories and history involved in the place.</p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s all kinda like teams ditching a classic look for silly stripes and a red alternate&#8230;sad to see the classics get retired.</em></p>
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<p><em>Indiana? Red? Silly stripes? Whadda &#8217;bout those basketball warmups?  :-) </em></p>
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		<title>By: Stuby</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/08/26/sunday-open-thread-46/#comment-136783</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;136775&quot;][quote comment=&quot;136764&quot;]This has nothing to do with uniforms and everything to do with my other obsession: stadiums.  There&#039;s an MNF commercial where Chad Johnson (i believe) is running down the field...at the Orange Bowl.  Makes me a little sadder every time i see it.  Another great facility that fell victim to the money driven world of modern sports.

Has there been an announcement about a patch of some sort to celebrate the final season at the OB?[/quote]

Are you from Miami? The fact that the OB is an awful stadium is readily apparent to anyone who&#039;s stepped foot in it. There&#039;s no parking, not enough bathrooms, and it&#039;s SMALL. UM&#039;s two in-state rivals have some of the best stadiums in the nation.  The Canes couldn&#039;t even convince the city of Miami to spend the money to repaint the steel beams holding up the stadium: they&#039;re still aqua and orange from when the Phins played there...[/quote]
I thought that commercial was filmed at The Swamp in Gainesville.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">bj said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kyle at IU said:</p>
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This has nothing to do with uniforms and everything to do with my other obsession: stadiums.  There&#8217;s an MNF commercial where Chad Johnson (i believe) is running down the field&#8230;at the Orange Bowl.  Makes me a little sadder every time i see it.  Another great facility that fell victim to the money driven world of modern sports.</p>
<p>Has there been an announcement about a patch of some sort to celebrate the final season at the OB?</p>
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<p>Are you from Miami? The fact that the OB is an awful stadium is readily apparent to anyone who&#8217;s stepped foot in it. There&#8217;s no parking, not enough bathrooms, and it&#8217;s SMALL. UM&#8217;s two in-state rivals have some of the best stadiums in the nation.  The Canes couldn&#8217;t even convince the city of Miami to spend the money to repaint the steel beams holding up the stadium: they&#8217;re still aqua and orange from when the Phins played there&#8230;</p>
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<p>I thought that commercial was filmed at The Swamp in Gainesville.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle at IU</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/08/26/sunday-open-thread-46/#comment-136779</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle at IU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;[quote comment=&quot;136775&quot;][quote comment=&quot;136764&quot;]This has nothing to do with uniforms and everything to do with my other obsession: stadiums.  There&#039;s an MNF commercial where Chad Johnson (i believe) is running down the field...at the Orange Bowl.  Makes me a little sadder every time i see it.  Another great facility that fell victim to the money driven world of modern sports.

Has there been an announcement about a patch of some sort to celebrate the final season at the OB?[/quote]

Are you from Miami? The fact that the OB is an awful stadium is readily apparent to anyone who&#039;s stepped foot in it. There&#039;s no parking, not enough bathrooms, and it&#039;s SMALL. UM&#039;s two in-state rivals have some of the best stadiums in the nation.  The Canes couldn&#039;t even convince the city of Miami to spend the money to repaint the steel beams holding up the stadium: they&#039;re still aqua and orange from when the Phins played there...[/quote]
&lt;/em&gt;

Nah, not from Miami.  Just sad to see a classic go by the wayside.  You bring up a good point in that the city wouldn&#039;t do anything to keep the stadium up, and I think that&#039;s because Miami is really bad at being nice to the sports entities that bring them money.  The Florida Marlins have won two World Series and they&#039;re about to leave town because the city won&#039;t give them a half-decent ballpark (yes, I&#039;m aware of the rumor that the new park is going on the OB site...i wouldn&#039;t bet on it).  When I see places like Wrigley Field and Fenway Park still standing despite being nearly 100 years old, I wonder why people don&#039;t put the effort out to keep other venues going.

Trust me on this one.  My school&#039;s (Indiana) basketball arena is poorly designed and feels really dated in many places.  Still, I will shed a tear when it comes down in a few years because of the memories and history involved in the place.

It&#039;s all kinda like teams ditching a classic look for silly stripes and a red alternate...sad to see the classics get retired.</description>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">bj said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kyle at IU said:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/08/26/sunday-open-thread-46/#comment-136764"><p>
This has nothing to do with uniforms and everything to do with my other obsession: stadiums.  There&#8217;s an MNF commercial where Chad Johnson (i believe) is running down the field&#8230;at the Orange Bowl.  Makes me a little sadder every time i see it.  Another great facility that fell victim to the money driven world of modern sports.</p>
<p>Has there been an announcement about a patch of some sort to celebrate the final season at the OB?</p>
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<p>Are you from Miami? The fact that the OB is an awful stadium is readily apparent to anyone who&#8217;s stepped foot in it. There&#8217;s no parking, not enough bathrooms, and it&#8217;s SMALL. UM&#8217;s two in-state rivals have some of the best stadiums in the nation.  The Canes couldn&#8217;t even convince the city of Miami to spend the money to repaint the steel beams holding up the stadium: they&#8217;re still aqua and orange from when the Phins played there&#8230;</p>
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<p>Nah, not from Miami.  Just sad to see a classic go by the wayside.  You bring up a good point in that the city wouldn&#8217;t do anything to keep the stadium up, and I think that&#8217;s because Miami is really bad at being nice to the sports entities that bring them money.  The Florida Marlins have won two World Series and they&#8217;re about to leave town because the city won&#8217;t give them a half-decent ballpark (yes, I&#8217;m aware of the rumor that the new park is going on the OB site&#8230;i wouldn&#8217;t bet on it).  When I see places like Wrigley Field and Fenway Park still standing despite being nearly 100 years old, I wonder why people don&#8217;t put the effort out to keep other venues going.</p>
<p>Trust me on this one.  My school&#8217;s (Indiana) basketball arena is poorly designed and feels really dated in many places.  Still, I will shed a tear when it comes down in a few years because of the memories and history involved in the place.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all kinda like teams ditching a classic look for silly stripes and a red alternate&#8230;sad to see the classics get retired.</p>
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		<title>By: bj</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;136764&quot;]This has nothing to do with uniforms and everything to do with my other obsession: stadiums.  There&#039;s an MNF commercial where Chad Johnson (i believe) is running down the field...at the Orange Bowl.  Makes me a little sadder every time i see it.  Another great facility that fell victim to the money driven world of modern sports.

Has there been an announcement about a patch of some sort to celebrate the final season at the OB?[/quote]

Are you from Miami? The fact that the OB is an awful stadium is readily apparent to anyone who&#039;s stepped foot in it. There&#039;s no parking, not enough bathrooms, and it&#039;s SMALL. UM&#039;s two in-state rivals have some of the best stadiums in the nation.  The Canes couldn&#039;t even convince the city of Miami to spend the money to repaint the steel beams holding up the stadium: they&#039;re still aqua and orange from when the Phins played there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kyle at IU said:</p>
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This has nothing to do with uniforms and everything to do with my other obsession: stadiums.  There&#8217;s an MNF commercial where Chad Johnson (i believe) is running down the field&#8230;at the Orange Bowl.  Makes me a little sadder every time i see it.  Another great facility that fell victim to the money driven world of modern sports.</p>
<p>Has there been an announcement about a patch of some sort to celebrate the final season at the OB?</p>
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<p>Are you from Miami? The fact that the OB is an awful stadium is readily apparent to anyone who&#8217;s stepped foot in it. There&#8217;s no parking, not enough bathrooms, and it&#8217;s SMALL. UM&#8217;s two in-state rivals have some of the best stadiums in the nation.  The Canes couldn&#8217;t even convince the city of Miami to spend the money to repaint the steel beams holding up the stadium: they&#8217;re still aqua and orange from when the Phins played there&#8230;</p>
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