New ESPN column today — the long-awaited prototypes installment. Here’s the link.
The prototypes column probably wouldn’t have been possible without the help of Bill Henderson, who’s just published a new edition of his MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double Knit Era (formerly known as The Double Knit Era Collector’s Reference). By any name, it’s an utterly essential reference, every bit as necessary a presence on your shelf as Marc Okkonen’s Baseball Uniforms of the 20th Century. Think of it this way: If you care enough about uniforms to read Uni Watch, you’ll totally love this reference guide.
Unlike the Okkonen tome, Henderson’s opus is available on a CD-R or as a downloadable file, not as a printed book. And it doesn’t cover the pre-1970 era. But within its stated area of coverage, it’s absolutely encyclopedic. For each MLB team, there’s list of basic rules of thumb, a chronological chart of basic styles, and then lots and lots of photos showing the progression of each team’s jersey over the past three-plus decades, with plenty of attention paid to sleeve patches, throwbacks, prototypes, BP jerseys, oddities, and the occasional bit of storytelling.
There’s also info on fabrics, undershirts, tagging, typography, and a lot more. The whole thing is over 1200 “pages” (it’s basically a massive PDF file), with over 30,000 photos. And new for this edition, Bill has added info showing what each team’s last set of flannels looked like, so we can see the transition from flannel to double-knit, along with lots of other new material.
I find myself referring to Bill’s research almost every day. Okay, so I probably have more use for it in my daily workday than you do, but you get the idea. Uni Watch’s highest rating.
In addition, Bill is generously offering a discount to Uni Watch readers. If you go to his web site, click on “Purchase,” and scroll down to the bottom of the ordering page, you’ll see a “If you received a special offer…” prompt. Click on it, and then enter the username “special” and the password “bonds” (all lowercase in both instances). This will qualify you for a price of $29.99 — five bucks off the usual price. And worth every penny.
NHL News: Two more NHL teams have unveiled their new uniforms. Let’s start with Detroit, where Reebok’s new tailoring template has forced the Red Wings to move their “C” and “A” designations to the other side of the jersey (full details here). But as Craig Barker points out, putting the designatory letters on that side is nothing new for the Red Wings. I know we’ve covered this before, but I forget the details, so can someone please provide a quick recap of the side-to-side migrations of Detroit’s “C” and “A”?
The bigger problem, it seems to me, is that rounded hemline, which hasn’t looked so bad on most other teams but is really accentuated — and not in a good way — by the Wings’ design.
Meanwhile, if you want a good laugh, take a look at this photo and then check out the headline on this article. I think I’ll let both the uniform (additional views here and here) and the journalism speak for themselves.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Really nice slideshow here, showcasing the flannel uniforms recently worn by a Russian baseball team traveling through the U.S. And although he’d be too humble to say anything, it just so happens that the Ruskies’ duds were designed by none other than our own Scott M.X. Turner. … Underbrim history may have been made last night, as Vince explains: “Last night, Indians vs. Tigers, featured perhaps the first pitching matchup ever to feature both pitchers still wearing their holograms on the underbrim of their hats. Fausto, of course, has a long documented history of this, but the kid the Tigers called up from AA for the game, Jair Jurrjens, had his hologram on also.” … Good survey of recent Cardinals throwbacks here (with thanks to Elena Elms). … Andy R. reports that his sister Kiirsta has just become a Charger Girl (aka a San Diego Chargers cheerleader), which must make Mama R. very proud. “Did you know about their Halloween tradition?” asks Andy. “For the game closest to Halloween, each girl chooses her own costume/uniform. This year, it’s the on the 28th, against the Texans. I found out, though, that they may not be the only team that does it. Also, sadly, I found out that they’re not as interested in being creative and/or different as they are in simply ‘looking hot.’” I may never recover from that stunning bit of news.
#1 by Peter Wunsch on 08.16.07 8:50 am |
In the first Charger/Halloween picture, the cheerleader on the left is wearing the Swiss flag, not the Red cross symbol.
#2 by Dane on 08.16.07 8:54 am |
http://cdn.nhl.com/i...
Please don’t tell me that the numbers on the front of the Islanders uniforms will actually be on different sides for home and road. They really wouldn’t do that… would they???
#3 by DarkAudit on 08.16.07 8:54 am |
Peter Wunsch said:
She didn’t want to be sued by Johnson & Johnson.
#4 by Robert on 08.16.07 8:56 am |
My updated edition of Bill Henderson’s “MLB Game Worn Jerseys of the Double Knit Era” arrived in the mail yesterday, making it one of the most exciting days of the year. My wife thought that I was nuts as I did a victory dance around the kitchen after opening the envelope.
#5 by CJ on 08.16.07 9:01 am |
“[. . .]and the swashbuckling vintage-inspired ties at the collar, which are a “throwback to our origins in 1972,” says Chris Botta, Islander’s vice president of communications. Team numbers, traditionally placed only on the back, have been added to the front of the jerseys as well, which may make favorite-player spotting easier,[. . .]“
A few points from these two half sentences:
1. I didn’t know hockey players could swashbuckle.
2. A throwback to the origins? Maybe if the rest of it didn’t look like juxtaposed crap.
3. On the front numbers, unless you have ice seats directly behind the net, you will see the back of a player as he skates down the ice.
That was the worst piece of journalism I’ve read in a while.
#6 by alan chewning on 08.16.07 9:01 am |
Maybe it’s because I’m still half-asleep, but I dig those Islanders sweaters–especially the white one.
#7 by Joe Drennan on 08.16.07 9:03 am |
alan chewning said:
[sarcasim] Everybody is entitled to their own opinions even if they are bad opinions [sarcasim]
#8 by Eric on 08.16.07 9:04 am |
The Old Time Baseball Game was played yesterday in Cambridge MA. The big feature is the old time unis. Link is to the pic gallery.
#9 by Ken on 08.16.07 9:06 am |
Dane said:
Thats the first thing i noticed too, did they do it just for the sake of having the picture read 07 08 or are they actually going to do that, because that would be absolutely ridiculous. Talking about the red wings switching sides with their Cs and As this year, the Islanders would be switching every few games
#10 by John O'Hare on 08.16.07 9:13 am |
I’m one of the few remaining Islander fans (True Blue since ‘72), but these uni’s are HORRENDOUS! Ehat the hell were they thinking? The Fish Sticks jersey was better that this thing. At least it had some character. This is just a mess! And until they get close to winning Cup #5, they should delete those 4 stripes. Argh!
#11 by Robert on 08.16.07 9:19 am |
Has Teebz already placed an order for the new Islanders jersey?
#12 by Brian Erni on 08.16.07 9:23 am |
I’m one of the few remaining Islander fans (True Blue since ‘72), but these uni’s are HORRENDOUS! Ehat the hell were they thinking? The Fish Sticks jersey was better that this thing. At least it had some character. This is just a mess! And until they get close to winning Cup #5, they should delete those 4 stripes. Argh!
i’m with ya, john. i was a resident of section 111 for 10 years and this jersey makes me want to vom a little bit. if you really want a good laugh, go to the team’s website (newyorkislanders.com) and look at the reebok brand praise on all five of the news tabs. ughhhhh. to be fair to the isles, some tweaks and a toned down approach may have worked, but this really doesn’t
#13 by Johnny O on 08.16.07 9:24 am |
I don’t know if it has been done before, but I think there should definitely be an article focusing on current NFL Cheerleaders uniforms. Or maybe a ranking perhaps? I know one thing for sure… the Packers would be real far down on the list. The Pack don’t have cheerleaders per say. Since 1988 the Cheerleaders from St. Norbert College (my alma mater) and UW-Green Bay swap every other week on the sidelines of home games. The outfits they do have are pretty basic, and definitely old school.
#14 by Matt B on 08.16.07 9:27 am |
Also, sadly, I found out that they’re not as interested in being creative and/or different as they are in simply ‘looking hot.’â€
Nothing new there.
#15 by Chris on 08.16.07 9:28 am |
I think I will have to subscribe to NHL Radio next year……
#16 by Ken on 08.16.07 9:29 am |
The is a worse view of the islanders new uniform
#17 by E Ro on 08.16.07 9:30 am |
am i seeing this right? no arm numbers on the isles sweater?
No sir i don’t like it.
#18 by Drew on 08.16.07 9:31 am |
The New NHL….”Welcome to Crappy Jersey Central”
#19 by E Ro on 08.16.07 9:31 am |
oh nevermind, i just saw ken’s picture
i still don’t like them
#20 by Ken on 08.16.07 9:34 am |
There are arm numbers on the islanders jerseys
#21 by Ken on 08.16.07 9:34 am |
haha never mind you already noticed it
#22 by Randy on 08.16.07 9:41 am |
Well if that second jersey shot (of the guy going surfing in his Isles jersey?) is correct then the “opposite side numbers” thing was just a stunt to read “07-08″. Thank God.
#23 by Johnny O on 08.16.07 9:44 am |
Chris said:
Just subscribe to XM Satallite Radio. 170 channels of listening pleasure for around $10-14/month. I have it and it is the greatest thing in the world All MLB, NHL, ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10, SEC, PGA Tour events… and I think Indy Car is thrown in there as well.
And putting my two cents into the new Islanders jersey… I know I am in the minority, but I actually kind of like them. They are different… sure maybe in a bad way, but I personally like teams who go against the grain a little. I am not an Islanders fan, nor do I know a lot about their uni history. Could some die hard fans go into detail and explain why they don’t like them so much? I would just like to hear their opinions.
#24 by Stuby on 08.16.07 9:47 am |
Another hockey sweater with way too much flair. Again, alot of these jerseys are the sartorial equivalent of Minute Maid Park in Houston – a bunch of random crap thrown together for no particular reason.
#25 by Aram on 08.16.07 9:51 am |
Is there anywhere where one can find one of those Team Russia throwbacks? I really, really want one. It’s not often you see a really great Team Russia jersey for something that isn’t a CCCP throwback…
#26 by johnt on 08.16.07 9:51 am |
Ken said:
At least with this view we miss the logo creep
http://cdn.nhl.com/i...
#27 by Joe H on 08.16.07 9:52 am |
Robert said:
I am eagerly awaiting mine!!! I can’t wait!
#28 by Alan #44 on 08.16.07 9:52 am |
As a Ranger fan, I am happy to say, “HA HA!” (in Nelson from the Simpsons voice)
#29 by Ben on 08.16.07 9:52 am |
I’m in complete agreement with some of these postings. The fisherman jersey for the Isles is by far a better design than the new crap that these guys came up with. This is proof of the crap that the Isles have become over the years ever since Milbury took over.
#30 by Harry on 08.16.07 9:54 am |
Peter Wunsch said:
I’ve never heard of a cheerleader being neutral but anyway here’s a pic of the Vikings cheerleaders last Halloween
#31 by Shaftman on 08.16.07 9:55 am |
The Islanders have finally done it. After 30 years of following this team (with waning interest in the last 5), I am officially out!!! How the hell could this orginization not have learned their lesson?!!! They tried a radical change once and the fans (except for Teebz) spoke out and said “Why change a perfect jersey?”. So, they do the right thing and bring it back (albeit with some minor tweaks). Now they go and create a monstrosity that, except for the logo, rivals the Panthers and the Predators and the worst unis in Hockey…not the NHL, but all of freakin’ hockey.
Now to top it all off, my hometown paper, that I read every day apparently had a major chemical explosion in their headquaters; because retinal burns are the only way you can explain this headline.
I’m OUT!!! Goodbye NHL!!!
Let’s Go JETS!!!
#32 by Jason G. on 08.16.07 9:56 am |
johnt said:
Is it me or are those numbers huge?
#33 by Seth H on 08.16.07 9:58 am |
Could some die hard fans go into detail and explain why they don’t like them so much? I would just like to hear their opinions.
It looks like they took a bunch of scraps and threw them together. It is a uniform of “pieces” that do not mesh into a coherent whole.
On a historical note, the Islanders booted a chance to go back to the color blue they wore in their glory days.
Oh, well. As a Ranger fan this will just give me another topic to goof on the Islanders all year.
#34 by Shaftman on 08.16.07 10:00 am |
Paul or Vince, could you restore my post please? Thanks.
#35 by Anthony Verna on 08.16.07 10:00 am |
A quick improvement on the Isles jerseys would be to take the number off the front (it’s just terrible) and to remove the piping in the shoulder area and to have the collar be the main color of the jersey.
#36 by Marty Met on 08.16.07 10:01 am |
Alan #44 said:
As a Devils fan, I have to say the Rangers have the second best uniforms in the area. Which must be comforting because they also have the second best team.
#37 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 10:03 am |
wow! the link is live…
earliest ive ever seen it on pg 2!
#38 by hot rodd on 08.16.07 10:04 am |
i was just going to mention that
#39 by Chance on 08.16.07 10:09 am |
I hate to say it, but this reference is just plain wrong.
Looking at those Brewers uniforms, he has drawn some incorrect inferences based on jersey tagging. In the early 1970s the Brewers, like many clubs, recycled jerseys from year to year. The jerseys with blue and gold piping on the neck and sleeves were actually from 1971, even though many still bear the original “1970″ tagging.
Shame, because I love this resource. But that has to be corrected.
#40 by johnt on 08.16.07 10:11 am |
Jason G. said:
I thought the same, but maybe the short name and the way he is sitting is adding to the effect
#41 by Aaron on 08.16.07 10:16 am |
todd krevanchi said:
Holy crap, check out that prototype 76ers logo. That thing is sweet, although more suited to like a high school team. The 76 in the sword? Awesome!
#42 by Stuby on 08.16.07 10:17 am |
Carry over from yesterday and the stars on Texas uniforms:
Dallas Stars: yes, a big one.
Dallas Cowboys: uh, yeah.
Dallas Mavericks: back of jersey, above the name
Texas Rangers: Texas state flag patch on sleeve and on logo
FC Dallas: crest on jersey
Houston Astros: jersey and hat.
Houston Texans: helmet
Houston Rockets: No
Houston Comets: in the logo
Houston Dynamo: crest on jersey
San Antonio Spurs: only if you count the ’spur’ itself as a star.
San Antonio SilverStars: about a hundred of them
So there you have it. It makes so much sense when you break it down scientifically. Texans LOVE their stars.
I’m sure there are also many minor league teams in Texas that also sport a star either on either their logo or jersey.
OK my curiosity is now satisfied.
#43 by Paul Lukas on 08.16.07 10:24 am |
As some of you have apparently discovered already, today’s ESPN column is up.
#44 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 10:37 am |
links to the entire uni unveiling for the iron pigs
http://www.wfmz.com/...
#45 by Orange and Blue on 08.16.07 10:37 am |
I have always divided my NHL loyalties between the Islanders and the Blackhawks. These new uniforms have now made me a one-team man.
LET’S GO BLACKHAWKS! (assuming they don’t desecrate their uniforms too)
#46 by CJ on 08.16.07 10:41 am |
Orange and Blue said:
I’m pretty sure they desecrated them pretty thoroughly with their play the last few years.
#47 by Sammy on 08.16.07 10:44 am |
The Wings jersey looks about as good as it can under the new design, and still one of the best in the league, but I know that the collar and white crescent at the bottom are going to bother me. The online shop pictures make it look like the bottom stripe is even, as always. I’ll wait until their on the ice, I guess.
RE: Stars on Texas uniforms: Isn’t it ironic that the Rockets, one team that could legitimately put stars on it uniform, are the only team that doesn’t have stars?
#48 by Orange and Blue on 08.16.07 10:45 am |
I’m pretty sure they desecrated them pretty thoroughly with their play the last few years.
CJ, Good point…I can’t argue with that. Argh, I am just so devastated by these monstrosities the Islanders unveiled….Didn’t they learn their lesson in 1995????
#49 by Christopher on 08.16.07 10:46 am |
CJ said:
Agreed. As a (former) Chicagoan, I’d much prefer if they DIDN’T wear the uniform that once went to the playoffs 28 years straight.
#50 by Purple Brigade on 08.16.07 10:47 am |
Awesome ESPN article.
I can now go back to work.
#51 by Terry Mark on 08.16.07 10:48 am |
The Islanders really whiffed on a opportunity blend traditional and contemporary stylistic elements. The blue-and-orange color scheme is such a good combination that I don’t think it would have taken much to devise a great-looking jersey. The color blocking is just so sad — just awful.
On the Russian baseball uniforms, I think they look fantastic as I’m a big fan of the heathered gray look. Are those unis really flannel or just made to look that way? In any event, I wish some MLB team would adopt a textured gray look over the flat gray all have now. I think it would instantly upgrade most teams’ road unis without changing any other stylistic elements.
One last thing: I saw a couple references to IU’s “Hep” patch in comments on Wednesday and wanted to chime in that I think the football players did very well in coming up with a classy looking memorial to their dearly departed coach. It’s been hard to spot a photo on the helmet decal but I found one blurry glimpse on the IU Web site, http://www.iuhoosier.... It looks to me like it’s a round white decal on the back of the crimson helmet with the words “Don’t Quit” arched in the top half of the decal and the number “13″ in the middle, all in crimson. The “13″ is a reference to IU’s mission/mantra to “play 13″ — 12 regular season games and a bowl game.
#52 by ThresherK on 08.16.07 10:48 am |
CJ said:
Only if they’re the old Lake Charles Ice Pirates. No word if they played with parrots on their shoulders.
#53 by Mets Fan in Chicago on 08.16.07 10:51 am |
Seth H said:
Agreed – the panels may work well as a form/fit/function aspect, but do teams really need to accentuate them with different color piping and/or panels? Witness the Bruins new sweater – at least they had the good sense to make the shoulder portion look retro and integrate it seamlessly into the overall design, unlike what my beloved Isles have done.
#54 by Robert on 08.16.07 10:52 am |
I am sad that my Reds prototype didn’t make the cut. Alas.
http://i62.photobuck...
#55 by Mets Fan in Chicago on 08.16.07 10:53 am |
ThresherK said:
Avast! Have ye seen the new pirate movie that was jsut released? It’s rated “ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR”
#56 by CJ on 08.16.07 10:53 am |
Christopher said:
The responses to my last comment show exactly how bad it has gotten in Chicago.
However, it’s ain’t exactly greener here in Philly. Years of close but not quite and last year’s team that lost the ability to form coherent sentences.
Hopefully, the Flyers won’t botch their uniforms. I can’t wait to be there and either throw things or sigh in relief.
#57 by Kenny on 08.16.07 10:59 am |
This guy looks like he’s bent over grabbing his ankles with a Canadian flag sticking out of his arse
#58 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 11:01 am |
more coaches should be like this…
http://cbs.sportslin...
first, earn your helmet logo sticker,
next earn your name on your jersey (if the college uses names).
#59 by Dan King on 08.16.07 11:01 am |
my favorite part of the Islanders article is:
Head coach Ted Nolan believes the new look “bodes well” for the season. “When you look good and feel good you work better and play better.”
or the fashion designer calling the neckline a little kids shirt with the laces.
but my own opinion about them? i like the white better than the blue, doesn’t mean i like them but… and so far the original 6 have remained classy
#60 by Purple Brigade on 08.16.07 11:04 am |
Kenny said:
My God, man. You have a sick mind. You have to really be looking for something like that to find it.
#61 by Don on 08.16.07 11:09 am |
I did not read yesterday’s comments, so I don’t know if it was posted. Yesterday it was announced that New Mexico State’s football team will wear pink socks for their Sept 29th game.
#62 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 08.16.07 11:10 am |
Johnny O said:
As long as it doesn’t look like a basketball warm-up, I am a fan! It actually kind of looks like a hockey jersey…
#63 by Don on 08.16.07 11:10 am |
http://sportsillustr...
I guess I am link challlenged. Here is a link to the article.
#64 by Teebz on 08.16.07 11:12 am |
Robert said:
Hell no. I hate the Islanders. I only love the Fisherman jersey. :o)
#65 by BCrisp on 08.16.07 11:13 am |
Stuby said:
Texas is the Lone Star State
#66 by Stuby on 08.16.07 11:16 am |
BCrisp said:
No kidding. Really?
#67 by possum on 08.16.07 11:18 am |
I think the Isles jerseys are terrible. And whoever wrote that article for the paper up there is smoking the dank. The one shining ray of cool is the orange lace on the blue jersey. I’ve never seen that before, I think the contrast looks pretty neat.
#68 by Teebz on 08.16.07 11:19 am |
Sammy said:
The on-ice and replica uniforms are made differently. The replicas will be like last season’s jerseys, while the official on-ice ones will be form-fitting and have the curved hems.
#69 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 08.16.07 11:21 am |
Sammy said:
Not at all… because a stupid Hollywood movie type designed the stupid logo and hasn’t a clue! That rocket won’t even fly, it would spin around in a loop.
#70 by Timmy B on 08.16.07 11:22 am |
I’ve been behind the Isles since the late 70’s…looks as if I’m in the minority here…the sleeves may take a little getting used to, but I don’t mind the way the new jersey’s look. Just have to get past those sleeves somehow…
#71 by joe on 08.16.07 11:27 am |
CJ said:
at least you had close but not quite. The Hawks can’t even claim close.
#72 by Chris on 08.16.07 11:27 am |
Johnny O said:
I was just pointing out that at least on the radio I won’t have to watch these uniforms in action. Just a total disregard to the history of the game.
#73 by joe on 08.16.07 11:30 am |
Purple Brigade said:
what the hll is that ottawa logo supposed to be?
#74 by Big Mac Hold the Pickle on 08.16.07 11:33 am |
I only know this because I work for the Flaming Thumbtacks, I’m a Bills fan that still holds a grudge (lateral my ass), but the Titan’s cheerleaders have worn Halloween outfits the last two years at least. Not only have they done Halloween, but Christmas as well. Uni Watch vets will realize that these links are from ESPN. PL maybe you should talk to Easterbrook when it comes time to do a piece on NFL cheerleaders.
#75 by DJ on 08.16.07 11:34 am |
what the hll is that ottawa logo supposed to be?
The Peace Tower, located on Parliament Hill, IIRC.
#76 by Stuby on 08.16.07 11:35 am |
I like the idea of the SF Giants using the orange lettering, but it would probably look alot better on home whites, like back in the 70s.
I am probably in the minority among Giants fans, but I can’t stand the cream colored home unis. I know, I know, they harken back to the NY days, but they probably looked alot better when they were made of wool.
#77 by possum on 08.16.07 11:37 am |
Hot shit, I made the ESPN column!!! Wow, thanks for posting my freak jersey pics Paul!
matt
#78 by GoTerriers on 08.16.07 11:38 am |
Timmy B said:
I’m with you . . .I don’t mind the overall treatment. The sleeves bother me and the number on the front chest has got to go!!! (Note to Buffaslugs). But other than that it’s okay.
I like the lace-up collar and the piping on the shoulder isn’t terrible. On a totally arbitrary scale, I’ll give it a 75 out of 100.
#79 by DJ on 08.16.07 11:38 am |
I am probably in the minority among Giants fans, but I can’t stand the cream colored home unis. I know, I know, they harken back to the NY days, but they probably looked alot better when they were made of wool.
Giants owner Peter Magowan said that he wanted the uniforms to look like they did in 1958, when the Giants arrived in San Francisco (of course, with modern tailoring and fabric). Hence, the cream-colored home uniforms.
#80 by joe on 08.16.07 11:42 am |
GoTerriers said:
I think the lace up looks good, but not when its uselessly placed on the new jerseys. Since the drop neck is filled in having the lace there is stupid. If they didnt have the NHL logo and fabric there it would be excellent.
#81 by jsdryden on 08.16.07 11:45 am |
DJ said:
This is Canada’s equivalent to the Capitol Dome in Washington.
#82 by Robert on 08.16.07 11:45 am |
Teebz said:
I just figured that the new one might be sufficiently ugly for you to bite. I did not realize that your passion for arguably unattractive Islanders jerseys was limited to the fisherman.
#83 by Stuby on 08.16.07 11:46 am |
DJ said:
And by modern tailoring, he means this? Magowan should worry a little more about quality control.
#84 by Taha on 08.16.07 11:51 am |
Question about Paul’s Page 2 Column:
What’s with the PetroCanada patch on the sleeve of the 20th anniversary Expos jersey? Did this become a gas station giveaway?
http://farm2.static....
#85 by Johnny O on 08.16.07 11:53 am |
Chris said:
I gotcha… good call
#86 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 11:54 am |
PL,
any link to your interview from the other day for those who missed it?
#87 by steve on 08.16.07 11:55 am |
From the Chicago Suntimes:
“New Cubs left-hander Carmen Pignatiello — a Chicago-area native, no less — finally got a nameplate on his clubhouse locker stall on his second day on the job. His name was spelled ‘Tignaitello.’”
Oops!
#88 by Beats in Buffalo on 08.16.07 12:00 pm |
The number on the front chest of NHL jerseys is a trend that is not only expanding but here to stay. From the Isles website “In order to keep pace with the new times, the Islanders followed in the footsteps of the extremely popular Buffalo Sabres jerseys by including the players’ numbers on the front of the jersey. The Islanders, along with four other teams, feature numbers on the front, with more likely to follow in the coming years”
#89 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 12:00 pm |
steve said:
lemme guess
berman will be calling him carmen pignatiello “on the donkey”
#90 by Greg on 08.16.07 12:00 pm |
excellent ESPN column today Paul.
the pics of the Tampa Bay Bucs rejected helmets show some drawings of jersey mock-ups. wow. now those are some ugly jerseys. we should all thank the uni-gods they never saw the light of day.
#91 by GoTerriers on 08.16.07 12:14 pm |
Beats in Buffalo said:
Trends are not always a positive thing . . .I think the whole number on the front of the jersey thing fails Paul’s “Is it good or is it stupid” test.
Numbers on the back – good; Numbers on the sleeve or shoulder – good (easier to read on TV). Numbers on the front, upper chest – stupid (when a player is in a skating posture, the number is difficult, AT BEST, to even read!)
#92 by Teebz on 08.16.07 12:16 pm |
Robert said:
The new jersey is horrific. It’s a visual crime. It doesn’t even have the same caché.
I like the Fisherman jersey because it’s unique and has great appeal when it’s completely customized. It’s also huge for conversation starters when I walk into a bar or lounge to watch a game.
#93 by Christopher on 08.16.07 12:17 pm |
Greg said:
What’s the link? Can’t find it…
#94 by Tim on 08.16.07 12:19 pm |
Since just about everyone is focusing in on the negatives of the isles jersey(albeit there are quite a few) I’d just like to focus on 1 positve. Unlike the last 2 unvielings it does not look as if they will be going to a BBQ which i have to say is a relief
#95 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 08.16.07 12:21 pm |
Oh my god, the Astros prototype is so sweet!
#96 by Stuby on 08.16.07 12:26 pm |
SWC Susan (aka Tex) said:
That black and gold makes a really nice looking uni, kinda Saints-ish.
#97 by Paul Lukas on 08.16.07 12:30 pm |
Robert said:
I talked to several people (collectors, mostly) about that design, and the consensus was that it was probably not a true Reds prototype, but rather a stock item that had been modified to look Reds-ish. So I didn’t include it in the column. Sorry.
#98 by Teebz on 08.16.07 12:31 pm |
Tim said:
That’s the only thing that could have made them worse.
Or half-elbow stripes. I hate those too.
#99 by Dave A on 08.16.07 12:34 pm |
Ken said:
In the picture above of the two unis on hangars, the number is on the left side on the blue one, but in this picture, the number is on the right. WTF?
#100 by Paul Lukas on 08.16.07 12:34 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
Not sure which interview you mean, but there’s about 10 minutes of me chatting about hockey uniforms in the August 8th link on this page.
#101 by Teebz on 08.16.07 12:39 pm |
Dave A said:
The jerseys on hangers was done for the photo only. The numbers will appear on both jerseys on the right side during the season.
#102 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 12:41 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
didnt you say there was an interview to be broadcast at 1pm the other day? a baseball site?
#103 by Luke Larson on 08.16.07 12:41 pm |
ThresherK said:
don’t forget… these guys. one could make an argument for these dudes also.
#104 by Purple Brigade on 08.16.07 12:44 pm |
joe said:
It’s a cyclops.
They’re very popular in canada.
#105 by ScottyJ in WV on 08.16.07 12:48 pm |
Teebz, I’ve always liked the Fisherman jersey too.
#106 by Paul Lukas on 08.16.07 12:53 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
Oh right, that. It was on the Midday Show at baseballchannel.tv. I’m too busy right now to find the exact link, but poke around on their site and you’ll probably find it.
#107 by Joe on 08.16.07 12:53 pm |
I contacted the Phillies yesterday on trying to make a switch in uniforms in either getting a totally different design or getting an alternate jersey. Because for being a Phillies fan for as long as I have seeing them wear the same thing constantly gets pretty annoying. But after contacting them they sent me a email back which stated, Mr. Fetko,
In terms of an alternate uniform, you most likely will hear some information about 2008 after our season has concluded.
Thanks,
The Phillies * One Citizens Bank Way * Philadelphia PA 19148
So I say look for something different for next season.
#108 by BCrisp on 08.16.07 12:56 pm |
Joe said:
I’m betting they’ll jump on the red alternate jersey bandwagon. On behalf of Astro’s fans everywhere, welcome.
#109 by Stuby on 08.16.07 12:58 pm |
Purple Brigade said:
That logo made me think of Terence & Phillip from South Park for some reason. Blame Canada!
#110 by William Harrison on 08.16.07 1:02 pm |
Those Isles unis would not be so bad, if they removed the piping from the shoulders, and the numbers from the front. Would be sort of a orange & navy Red Wings look, except for those horrible angled elbow stripes.
BTW, New Canucks unis look to be leaked from EA, according to Team1040 in Vancouver:
http://www.team1040....
http://www.team1040....
Only thing is that they look like the “template” that was out there way back, so take it with a grain of salt.
#111 by Mike on 08.16.07 1:03 pm |
BCrisp said:
As a Pirates fan I too welcome you to our own private Hell.
#112 by DJ on 08.16.07 1:06 pm |
And by modern tailoring, he means this? Magowan should worry a little more about quality control.
No, less baggy cuts. A couple of this year’s throwbacks not only had the old colors and lettering, but were very baggy in the shirts and pants.
If a player wants to look sloppy and wear his pants down to below the soles of his shoes, it shouldn’t necessarily be put at management’s doorstep. Have a league-wide uniform policy similar to the NBA, and enforce it.
#113 by Orange and Blue on 08.16.07 1:09 pm |
A couple of things from Paul’s column:
Giants: In 1994, the Giants changed their road jersey design from a simple “SF” logo
That was a mistake by the Giants. They should go back to the “SF” jersey logo. It was simple, classy, and different.
Seahawks: When the Hawks unveiled their new helmet logo in 2002, they presented two versions of the helmet and let their fans vote on which one would be the keeper. The blue version was the overwhelming winner
In that case, the Seahawks have soon pretty idiotic fans. The Seahawks went from having one of the best uniforms/helmets to one of the worst.
Angels: The origins of this prototype design, from the team’s Disney-owned era…
The Disney-era Angels uniforms really grew on me. I initially despised them, especially since they came immediately after the absolutely perfect “CA” caps and uniforms of the early-mid 1990s.
Just my two cents…
#114 by mark on 08.16.07 1:11 pm |
I dug that Phillies prototype in Paul’s column.
As far as changing their uniforms, I’m for it. I long for the return of the blue roads and the fat ‘P’. Is their some rule against the powder blue road uniforms?
Anyway, I’d like to see them shed the pinstripes as well, and maybe get a uniform that has the logo instead of the team name on it. The Philadelphian in me longs to steal the the elephant from the A’s and recreate this
#115 by jesse on 08.16.07 1:13 pm |
Last Friday we discussed whether or not Penn State’s jerseys have a small PSU logo on them. While I still believe that they did at one point, I recieved my “game worn” jersey in the mail today and I can confirm that they do not anymore.
#116 by F. Jones on 08.16.07 1:19 pm |
[sarcasim] Everybody is entitled to their own opinions even if they are bad opinions [sarcasim]
Apparently everyone is entitled to spell sarcasm wrong when mocking someone else.
#117 by AB on 08.16.07 1:23 pm |
Kenny said:
I have to admit it, once he said I see it too…
And why is all that stuff on the Buc’s prototypes locked out? Cant see it here…any other links to it please?
#118 by possum on 08.16.07 1:24 pm |
William Harrison said:
That’s supposed to be a fan-based mockup from what I’ve heard.
#119 by F.Jones on 08.16.07 1:31 pm |
A couple of days back when talking about hidden logos I am not sure it anyone mentioned this
Anyway, the The entire logo is an M (Montreal) the red portion is an e(Expos) and blue portion is a b(baseball). Altogether it is Montreal Expos Baseball.
#120 by ScottyJ in WV on 08.16.07 1:32 pm |
Here’s an interesting link from MIT about testing done there on hockey uniforms.
In the article it says the overall drag difference from old to new was 5%, and the thermal profile reduced by 10%.
Now, I’m all for moving forward and improving performance, but at what cost?
Here’s the problem I’ve got with the direction some of the uniform suppliers are taking…..to sell marginally better products, they have to sell a huge load of bunk along with them.
Reebok has gone on and on and on about how much better the new hockey uniform will perform. I don’t call making 100% uglier jerseys to reduce the drag by 5% a great improvement.
Same thing goes for Nike, New Era, etc. They tout all of these HUGE improvements which actually turn out to be quite minor, and they turn away from fan opinion,tradition and style.
Progress indeed.
#121 by CJ on 08.16.07 1:36 pm |
F.Jones said:
Also forms C and D for Club du Baseball Montreal.
#122 by Joe on 08.16.07 1:38 pm |
mark said:
I too are for the phillies losing the pinstripes and putting a “P” logo on it. It for me is boring as hell watching them wear the same uniform time and time again. N i swear to god if they give us a uniform like the pirates red, sry, but i dont know how i could watch their games without shooting myself
#123 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 1:43 pm |
nice interview…
that host was brutal though…
he gave me a headache…
how many times did he need to interrupt you or speak over you with his stupid jokes
link to here
http://mlb.mlb.com/m...
then choose the Paul Lucas link… (they couldnt get that right either…
#124 by possum on 08.16.07 1:47 pm |
Joe said:
I was at the bar with my Phillie-loving friend and the Pirates were on with their hideous red vests. We were talking about how the Philthies wear classic unis with no crazy alternates. Unfortunately this sounds like they’re about to go the way of the Burgh. Of course, they’ll still finish behind the Braves every year so its cool. ;)
#125 by Adam on 08.16.07 1:52 pm |
ScottyJ in WV said:
I’m probably in the minority here, but I think almost any minor improvement that helps the quality of play is probably a good improvement. True, sometimes teams or manufacturers use new inovations as an excuse to make major design changes that are sometimes bad, but that’s a separate issue. Uniforms have always been evolving, seems to silly to stop just because of tradition.
#126 by Robert on 08.16.07 1:53 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
That’s very interesting. I wonder what the reasoning would be for doing such a thing.
#127 by Mark in Shiga on 08.16.07 1:54 pm |
I love those all-graphite Toronto outfits! It’s too bad the league refused them; they would have looked really distinctive. The idea that they would have been “too hot” (it’s not thatmuch darker than regular gray) seems like an flimsy excuse.
Also, in this White Sox 1990s uniform, I think Dressed to the Nines has the number font wrong. The “1″ didn’t have a base on it.
#128 by Chance on 08.16.07 1:54 pm |
“Helps the quality of play” is a rather arbitrary statement.
To discard traditions for some ill-defined and uncertain benefit seems silly to me.
#129 by John Baranowski on 08.16.07 1:55 pm |
“I love that it’s more fitted. Skinny is definitely a menswear trend and very hot. Hated, hated, hated the tie on the neckline,” said Nina Garcia, Elle Magazine’s fashion director and the very vocal and sometimes tough judge on Bravo hit show, “Project Runway.” “I don’t really get it unless there’s some functional reason for it. It looks like a little boy’s shirt. I love the numbers on the front and some of the color blocking. Other than that I think they should have left it alone. It’s overly designed and too busy.”
ok, let’s get this straight right here and now, fashion designers have no freaking clue about sports apparel. they’ve tried, it doesn’t work. that’s how we got the blue, black and bronze of the caps. so all of the fashion designers, sit down and shut up.
lace-up collars are the stirrups of hockey. nobody else does laceup collars. there might be a few throughout history, but none are around today that i know of.
skinny? numbers on the front? F#%& YOU!
that said, i don’t think the isles jersey is all that bad. granted, it’s worse than what they had. personally, i’m reminded of these, and actually the isles jerseys are a little bit less busy. The shoulder outline is interesting, and doesn’t seem to be all that crazy. And they acutally have hemline stripes that aren’t pencil-sized!!! think of how bad it could’ve been! all things considered, this is one of the better jerseys we’ve seen so far.
#130 by Mark in Shiga on 08.16.07 1:56 pm |
Robert said:
Maybe an amateur team? The “1″ looks a bit off here too.
#131 by Teebz on 08.16.07 2:05 pm |
ScottyJ in WV said:
Sweet! The more, the merrier! Glad to have you aboard, ScottyJ! :o)
#132 by FEZ on 08.16.07 2:05 pm |
I had hoped for a 1948 Phillies uniform with the new stadium.
I’m sure the 2008 alt jersey will be something unique… like their stadium that ISN’T like every other new stadium.
#133 by John Baranowski on 08.16.07 2:08 pm |
Paul or Vince, could you rescue a post for me? it was eaten by the spam filter
#134 by Broker75 on 08.16.07 2:08 pm |
Red Wings jersey is fine. And the Islanders jersey? just don’t know. It looks ugly, but their logo still rocks. A little too much orange. If any of the players are getting hooked by another player it’s gonna separate all of the material that was sewn together. Looks like they found some material on the floor and sewd on the scraps. Front number is horseshit. I don’t like it. What a letdown, from one of the best to probably the worst..so far.
#135 by jesse on 08.16.07 2:12 pm |
Robert said:
Itlooks like a Reds jersey, but you can bootleg it without getting sued.
#136 by Teebz on 08.16.07 2:14 pm |
I have posted, on my article today, the new Senators logos that were found on the Canadian Intellectual Property Office website. Minor tweaks to both the side profile and alternate logos.
All in all, I like the Senators’ updates more than I liked the Sharks’ updates.
#137 by Talon Lardner on 08.16.07 2:14 pm |
… I didn’t think the Islanders jersey was THAT bad. It’s busy, yes, but in my opinion, I don’t think it crosses into “bad” territory.
#138 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 2:20 pm |
i often refer back to this site…
http://members.tripo...
#139 by Joe Drennan on 08.16.07 2:24 pm |
ScottyJ in WV said:
[sarcasm] As a hockey player I am so happy MIT has studied the problems with the hold hockey sweaters. I can’t tell you how many times I had to be taken out of a game becasue my sweater was slowing me down or over heating me. Thank goodness those few percentage points will save them game and keep many a hockey players from beeing rushed to the ER with fatigue and other injuries due to the old sweaters. [sarcasm]
Overall interesting read though.
#140 by Stuby on 08.16.07 2:28 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
Wow, the 1948 unis even make Mitch Williams look somewhat respectable.
#141 by SWC Susan (aka Tex) on 08.16.07 2:34 pm |
John Baranowski said:
Like the fashion industry is big on function… wtf?
#142 by Teebz on 08.16.07 2:35 pm |
SWC Susan (aka Tex) said:
I can assume that Nina Garcia has never played hockey, let alone worn a jersey over pads. Her ignorance has to be bliss for her to say something as ridiculous as that.
#143 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 2:40 pm |
Great ESPN article, Paul. I love several of those prototypes, starting with the Saints’ black helmet. LOVE it. Also, the Blues, the silver on the Red Sox unis (but the gold shows up better), and the jag-u-ar stretching on the helmet.
P.S. Any Brits out there? I will be visiting London and Cambridge (mostly Cambridge), and I want to know what I should see. I am not the typical tourist (in other words, I don’t give a rat’s ass about Buckingham Palace), so if you’re out there, give me some hidden gems.
#144 by Teebz on 08.16.07 2:41 pm |
Minna H. said:
Check out a footy game, Minna! There’s nothing like it! :o)
#145 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 2:48 pm |
Teebz said:
Man, I want to. Which team should I root for?
*Ducks as she starts a futbol war*
#146 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 2:49 pm |
Oh, and Teebz, I kinda like the nauseating fisherman, too.
#147 by Joe Drennan on 08.16.07 2:51 pm |
Minna H. said:
Me too. I actualy bought one of those jerseys (note I didn’t call it a sweater as that’s an insult to sweaters) and wore it as my practice jersey in high school as I was a goalie.
#148 by Broker75 on 08.16.07 2:56 pm |
Minna H. said:
The ‘nauseating fisherman’ is a site for eyes compared to what BARF, er RBK did to their new and improved RBK-barf jerseys. I actually feel anger towards the jersey, is that normal??
#149 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 3:01 pm |
Broker75 said:
It’s all right, Broker75, we
#150 by John Baranowski on 08.16.07 3:01 pm |
Teebz said:
i said it once and i’ll say it again.
Lace-Up Collars are the Stirrups of Hockey
sure their function isn’t mandatory anymore, sure there are other ways of doing it. but if you had to pick one thing on a hockey jersey that no other sport does (if there’s a sport that does it, it either went away long ago, or i don’t know about it). it’s definitely THE old-time hockey thing, and i hope more teams adopt it
#151 by Ryan on 08.16.07 3:01 pm |
I don’t know why everyone hates the Isles’ new sweaters (or “shirts” as one enlightened journalist likes to call them) so much. I think they’re very classy. They remind me of the sweaters the Penguins wore during their Cup years.
The only thing I’m not crazy about is the blue shoulder outline on the aways.
#152 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 3:02 pm |
Broker75 said:
It’s all right, Broker75, we’ll hold you.
todd k., you are correct that the host on mlb.com is an idiont. Too bad because Paul was his usual erudite self. Paul, you have a really sexy voice. Just thought I’d throw it out there.
#153 by Dan on 08.16.07 3:07 pm |
Ryan said:
Wow…I hadn’t noticed the similarities in the sleeve striping to the old Pens. It is close. I definitely don’t think they’re as bad as everyone is saying…I’d still drop them into the bottom 1/3 of the league…but not worse than the Panthers!
#154 by Joe Drennan on 08.16.07 3:07 pm |
Minna H. said:
Is that a pass at Paul Minna? :)
#155 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 3:10 pm |
Joe Drennan said:
That’s for me to know….
How many people here have a fisherman’s jersey/sweater? I don’t, but now I’m curious.
#156 by Teebz on 08.16.07 3:13 pm |
Dan said:
Um, maybe it’s my eye for a good jersey design (Penguins) versus one I hate (new Isles), but the stripes on Lemieux’s sleeve are far different than the blocks and stripes on Witt’s sleeve.
#157 by Dan on 08.16.07 3:15 pm |
Teebz said:
Right…definitely not identical…but similar. Ask this…if it didn’t have the front chest numbers…would people be turning out in droves to “burn the witch!” (she turned me into a newt once….I got better).
#158 by Stuby on 08.16.07 3:20 pm |
Teebz said:
Teebz, your pic of Lemieux made me think of something. Where are teams that have the front jersey number going to place a Stanley Cup patch? I don’t see anywhere on the new Isles jersey where it could go.
#159 by Anthony Verna on 08.16.07 3:23 pm |
Minna H. said:
There is no war. There are three Americans at Fulham. You root for Fulham.
0=)
#160 by Teebz on 08.16.07 3:27 pm |
Dan said:
I would. Compare the new jerseys to last season’s model and the Fisherman model. Which is best?
Why mess with something that looked so good before the new template was introduced? Is Reebok calling the shots here as to the way the jerseys look, or are the individual teams?
#161 by Broker75 on 08.16.07 3:27 pm |
Dan said:
Without front numbers = good. And the breakup of orange from the elbow to shoulder is hilariously stupid. A full extension of the dark blue for the sleeves would be better, the bottom of the sleeve looks ok as is, it’s the bicep section thats pissing me off, then I’d be almost happy.
#162 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 3:27 pm |
Thanks, Anthony V.! Since you are a lawyer, I trust you….
Any dissenters out there?
#163 by Banker Bill on 08.16.07 3:29 pm |
Minna H. said:
Conspiracy theorists abound!! TEEBZ designed the new Islander monstrocity to gain favor for his “so awful it’s awesome” fisherman’s (I’ll assume “KASPARAITIS”) jersey!
#164 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 3:31 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Banker B! Good to see ya. I like your theory about Teebz being behind the new Islander jersey (which, in all fairness, I neither love nor hate). Got any proof?
#165 by Orange and Blue on 08.16.07 3:33 pm |
Minna H.,
“How many people here have a fisherman’s jersey/sweater? I don’t, but now I’m curious.”
I have one (It was a gift)…I also have the jersey with the fisherman pattern (but without the fisherman, which I happened to think was a pretty snazzy looking sweater.
#166 by Paul Lukas on 08.16.07 3:36 pm |
How damn great is it to have Minna back on the site? (And not just because she likes my voice, although that’s a nice bonus.)
I’m off to Coney Island, where, among other things, I’ll be watching tonight’s Brooklyn Cyclones game. Everyone play nice while I’m gone.
#167 by John Baranowski on 08.16.07 3:41 pm |
Stuby said:
shoulder, like here or here
buffalo might be screwed though…it’s alright, they’ll never need to put that patch on!!!
#168 by Mike from Queens on 08.16.07 3:41 pm |
possum said:
That article was written by someone who never appears in the sports section of Newsday. I get it and read it every day, and I don’t remember ever seeing by-line featuring her name. So, they must have outsourced it to some fashion moron.
I definitely think the Isles-reaction in the beginning of the comments is way overboard. It’s not very good, but it’s not exactly worse than the Fisherman. Teebz has it right when he says that the Fisherman had some pizazz, but it had that spunk because it was comically awful. This is not comically awful. It’s just kind of tedious and showy. The blue piping around the shoulder yoke? Awful. The multi-colored sleeves? Terribly unfortunate. And what is the deal with that white strip beneath the elbow? I liked the numbers on the front for the Sabres, and I still like it. I also like the numbers on the sleeves. If you take out the piping, change the yoke to blue, and get right of the orange in the sleeves, you’re in good shape.
Minna H. said:
Not only do I have one… but mine says Fichaud on the back. I think I was 12 or 13, and he was just coming up for the first time. Way more exciting than Tommy Soderstrom. Greatest uni decision of my life. It makes me smile every time I see it.
#169 by Brandon T. on 08.16.07 3:41 pm |
Has anyone ever seen cleat cutting like this before? I wonder if the Titans are the only team who does this or what…I’ve never seen it done before.
BT
#170 by Banker Bill on 08.16.07 3:43 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
I’ve seen the commercials Paul, the Cyclones ARE Brooklyn! Have fun!
#171 by Teebz on 08.16.07 3:44 pm |
Banker Bill said:
I actually like this conspiracy idea. Perhaps I can revive the Fisherman? And Kasparaitis was the only player there for the longest time that I could like.
Todd Bertuzzi? He was/is terrible.
Travis Green? He has never been good.
Mathieu Schneider? At that stage of his career, no.
Trevor Linden? Not on your life.
Kirk Muller? Wayyyy past his prime.
#172 by Joey Guns on 08.16.07 3:44 pm |
Paul, none of the Tampa Bay Bucs pics are working on the ESPN.com article. Is anyone else having an issue opening them? I didn’t see any comments from anyone else……
#173 by Mike from Queens on 08.16.07 3:49 pm |
Brandon T. said:
Kerry Rhodes of the Jets does it. Says he got it from Wayne Chrebet.
I’m not sure why this interests me enough to mention it, but there’s a guy on the radio in New York whose first name is Brandon—he calls himself BT also.
#174 by todd krevanchi on 08.16.07 3:50 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
say hi to doug heffernan for me…
#175 by Broker75 on 08.16.07 3:56 pm |
Let’s see what Tampa Bay and the Flames will do.
#176 by Teebz on 08.16.07 3:57 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
You never know what you’ve got until it’s gone. And having Minna back is like the first ray of sunlight breaking over the dark horizon in the morning – peaceful and refreshing. :o)
Flattery has to get me somewhere.
#177 by Kerry on 08.16.07 3:57 pm |
Joey Guns said:
I did….but that’s because of the Internet blocker I have here at work. If anyone can see the pics and wouldn’t mind putting them on another site, I would GREATLY appreciate it.
#178 by tc on 08.16.07 3:58 pm |
Mike said:
The difference is that red is the Phillies primary color and has been for the better part of 125 years. Their BP jerseys were red for a number of years. I hope the Phillies don’t make any stupid changes. I like how they’ve got a “modern classic” look. The only change I wouldn’t mind is a “Philadelphia” jersey.
#179 by A.J. on 08.16.07 4:01 pm |
Mike from Queens said:
I can’t find a good pic of it, but I remember Ed McCaffrey of the Broncos used to do this. He used to wear his shoulder pad, cleats, etc. as small as possible to cut down on weight and perform better. He cut an ‘x’ at the toes of his shoes to let his big toe poke through.
#180 by Duckstyle187 on 08.16.07 4:04 pm |
I realize there’s not a lot of soccer fans here but has anyone been reading about the proposed MLS franchise in St. Louis? They’ve now put up a website with their proposed stadium and pretty crappy looking team crest. A teams crest/shield is meant to be official and regal looking, this saint on a horse thing looks ridiculous. Not to mention the lame fleur-de-lis that’s way out of place on the bottom. http://www.stlouisso...
#181 by Stuby on 08.16.07 4:06 pm |
I would love to see Jose Offerman try to charge the mound on this guy. I don’t think Jose would have been walking to the police car after that.
#182 by DJ on 08.16.07 4:09 pm |
A teams crest/shield is meant to be official and regal looking, this saint on a horse thing looks ridiculous
It’s the statue of Saint Louis that is located in downtown St. Louis.
#183 by Stuby on 08.16.07 4:15 pm |
DJ said:
I don’t think the crest looks that bad but ‘St. Louis Soccer United’? Are you kidding me?
#184 by Kerry on 08.16.07 4:16 pm |
DJ said:
Yeah, I wouldn’t think that to be a proposed team crest.
One thing that did stand out was that apparently St. Louis has long been known as the “Soccer Capital of America”. Who knew?
#185 by Perry on 08.16.07 4:16 pm |
Minna H. said:
I’m not a Brit, but just spent two weeks there visiting my girlfriend’s family. Did some tourist things (British Library, National Gallery, Tate Modern), but my favorite was Charles Darwin’s house in the village of Downe, Kent. It’s been maintained pretty much as it was when he lived in it, and I got a real charge out of standing in the very room and seeing the very desk and chair where he wrote The Origin of Species. Another favorite was the display room in the British Library with everything from the Magna Carta to Shakespeare’s First Folio to Jane Austen’s journals to Beatles’ lyrics scrawled on backs of envelopes by John and Paul.
#186 by Perry on 08.16.07 4:28 pm |
Kerry said:
Yeah, it’s always been huge there — lots of tight-knit European immigrant communities/neighborhoods. SLU used to be a college power too, I think. I think the crest is okay — it’s based on a statue of St. Louis (King Louis IX) that’s in front of the art museum, in Forest Park. So how could it be more “regal looking” than to be an actual king? Also, the fleur-de-lis is the symbol of the city and appears on the city flag, so that’s appropriate.
#187 by steve on 08.16.07 4:34 pm |
Orange and Blue said:
I voted for the silver helmet!
#188 by Brad on 08.16.07 5:34 pm |
A couple of things from Paul’s column:
Seahawks: When the Hawks unveiled their new helmet logo in 2002, they presented two versions of the helmet and let their fans vote on which one would be the keeper. The blue version was the overwhelming winner
Actually, if I remember right, the Seahawks were going to go with a road and home helmet (much like the WSU Cougars) but the NFL said no. That’s what I remember reading somewhere so the vote took place. I don’t have a source, though.
#189 by Dave A on 08.16.07 6:30 pm |
possum said:
Me too.
#190 by Chuck Ryals on 08.16.07 6:56 pm |
Astros early 90’s prototype jersey is AWESOME! how did this not get picked up?
#191 by Priest on 08.16.07 6:58 pm |
I feel like the Islanders jersey is so close to great yet so very, very far. Ignoring the crappy quality of my editing, isn’t this much better than this? All they had to do is take out that awful piping at the top, and not make the sleeves so orange. It literally took me 3 minutes to do that.
#192 by Brandon T. on 08.16.07 7:00 pm |
Mike from Queens said:
I live in Nashville, but it’s interesting to hear there’s another (of a goldzillion) BT.
BT
#193 by RefUni on 08.16.07 7:03 pm |
CJ said:
Isn’t it an e, d and b for Equipe du Baseball Montreal?
There ain’t no “c” in that logo anywhere from what I can see, and you can make up a lot of stuff from that logo :)
#194 by DenverGregg on 08.16.07 7:07 pm |
Perry said:
The crest could look great if it didn’t have quite so many colors. The statute and the lily both fit.
#195 by DenverGregg on 08.16.07 7:07 pm |
. . . .although I’ve long thought that St. Louis should have some team called the Archers.
#196 by John Baranowski on 08.16.07 7:27 pm |
http://assets.espn.g... dumb question, why are the bills using throwback helmets in training?
and i agree, the St. Louis Archers would be SWEET!
#197 by Priest on 08.16.07 7:33 pm |
Minna H. said:
[Raises Hand] Road. No name and number.. I was going to get Kenny Jonsson, but I was young and had no money for it. Anyone know of somewhere that would still do it? (keeping in mind the crazy numbers).
#198 by timmy b on 08.16.07 7:36 pm |
regarding nhl radio…the last few seasons it was available from nhl.com for FREE. hoping it’s still that way this season. and the audio quality is pretty good.
#199 by 5w50 on 08.16.07 7:38 pm |
RefUni said:
Some say the E D B is also for Elizabeth D. Bronfman, daughter of the team owner Charles Bronfman, he of the booze [Seagram's] fortune.
#200 by Frankie on 08.16.07 7:53 pm |
I kind of like the new Islanders sweaters.
#201 by Johnny O on 08.16.07 7:55 pm |
The Brewers did something interesting today to try and help their slump they have going on…
” The Brewers have tried dabbling in the trade market, shuffling their lineup — anything to shake them out of their recent slump.
They tried something new before Thursday’s game, with almost every player and coach submitting to a buzz cut administered by Kevin Mench, J.J. Hardy and Claudio Vargas in the home clubhouse.
About six or seven players had shaved their heads on Wednesday, but most of the players resisted the new team haircut until Matt Wise and Corey Hart, two of the players with the longest locks, agreed to it.
“You always try to find stuff to get you going,” Hart said.
Part of their reluctance could be attributed to their wives’ disapproval. Hart’s wife, Kristina, grudgingly let him cut his hair, but not before protesting that “you have such pretty hair.”
Wise’ wife, Amy, was a little more forceful in her disapproval, sending him a text message expressing her skepticism.
At least Hart wasn’t going home with a mullet. The hairdressers at first chopped off the locks on top of his head but left a wave of hair flowing down the back of his neck. Hart paraded through the clubhouse for a few minutes with that look, to his teammates’ delight.
“That’s going to get us some wins!” Bill Hall yelled triumphantly.
Some members of the team nonetheless refused to cave in to the pressure, including hitting coach Jim Skaalen.
“Give me a week, and my hair will all fall out and I’ll look like that anyway,” Skallen said.”
#202 by Richard Craig on 08.16.07 8:11 pm |
Has anyone else noticed that in the Braves-Giants game currently in progress that Jeff Francoeur’s name is misspelled on the back of his jersey? Somebody needs to get a screen grab of this. It’s spelled FRANCOUER, which is how sports writers sometimes misspell it.
#203 by Brandon on 08.16.07 8:36 pm |
That “Philadelphia” road jersey looks great. I wish they would have gone with that. And the possibility of them getting an alternate both excites and scares me. On one hand I’d be happy to see another jersey in their set, but on the other, I would hope not to see something like the Angels did with the all red.
#204 by concealed78 on 08.16.07 8:45 pm |
Joe said:
As a White Sox fan, I understand your pain. I am quite bored with the same look and color scheme since ‘91. Even the black alternate hasn’t gone through any real changes since like ‘93. I need some color in my life.
#205 by Scott on 08.16.07 8:50 pm |
I have a feeling that Johnny O (POST #85) must work for XM Radio.
#206 by Richard Craig on 08.16.07 8:58 pm |
Richard Craig said:
Okay, he must have changed jerseys, because it’s spelled right now. Either that or I’m losing my mind…
#207 by joe on 08.16.07 9:29 pm |
Teebz, you mention on your site that the wings moved teh C/A to avoid teh seams. Look at the pic though it goes right over the right seam now.
#208 by Aaron Scholder on 08.16.07 10:22 pm |
Coyotes and Sharks new jerseys leaked. . .kinda:
http://www.yavin4.co...
Looks like the yotes removed the horizontal striping. And, if thats SJ’s new jersey, I like.
#209 by Aaron Scholder on 08.16.07 10:23 pm |
http://www.yavin4.co...
And you can kinda see Edmonton’s new jersey in the bottom pic.
#210 by Aaron Scholder on 08.16.07 10:24 pm |
^^^^^^
And you can kinda see Vancouvers also, the back at least.
#211 by Aaron Scholder on 08.16.07 10:26 pm |
Here’s a blow-up look of Edmonton’s new jersey (lotta white): http://i29.photobuck...
#212 by TD on 08.16.07 10:27 pm |
Ted Ginn: still in the kicker facemask tonight, but no shield at all. Weird.
I remember when Trent Dilfer wanted to wear Terry Bradshaw’s old narrow 2-bar Dungard classic and the league quashed the idea because it wasn’t enough protection. Players are always trying to cheat masks for visibility, but this is the first pro instance I’ve seen where a position player has been allowed to wear a kicker mask.
#213 by Brian on 08.16.07 10:28 pm |
If they didnt mess with the angle and just changed the colors and removed the baseball on this, itd be sweet.
#214 by Brian on 08.16.07 10:29 pm |
#215 by Johnny O on 08.16.07 10:31 pm |
Scott said:
No dice Scott. I am but a humble golf pro from Wisconsin. I have had XM Radio for over a year now. When I used to be a sales rep for Titleist I traveled a lot, and it was the only way I could listen to Brewers games in Chi Town, Michigan, or Minnesota. It is just simply a great product that everyone should try. And with a merger of Sirius Radio.. it should be even better
#216 by Brian on 08.16.07 10:31 pm |
I can get the link to work, but its the old browns logo with the state of St. Louis and the baseball on it.
#217 by ChrisN on 08.16.07 10:37 pm |
I clicked on the Henderson “typography” link in today’s post and discovered that my “official” Braves John Smoltz road jersey, purchased by my Dad from the Braves clubhouse store, is using the wrong number typography. Sewn on numbers, red over navy, and certainly close to the real thing, but not quite right. #$%&!
#218 by =bg= on 08.16.07 10:55 pm |
Stuby said:
Offerman was an awful-fielding SS. I remember someone said, “how to you spell Offerman?” “One O, 2 ff’s, and 43 E’s.”
#219 by Brian Smith on 08.16.07 10:55 pm |
Anyone notice that the Chiefs were wearing AFL logo patches on their jerseys tonight? I don’t remember ever seeing that before.
#220 by Minna H. on 08.16.07 11:06 pm |
Paul Lukas said:
Ah, Paul, I blush at your enthusiastic welcome back. However, it is because you are a host par excellence that I always read your site (even when I do not post). As long as you keep bringing it strong, I will be faithful.
Teebz, you are the cream in my coffee (or would be, if I weren’t lactose-intolerant) and my Dorito connection (hook me up!). I had to laugh, though, because I am certainly not peaceful–though I may be refreshing. Yes, flattery will get you something–depending on what you want.
Perry, thanks for the suggestions. Libraries and museums are favorites of mine, so on the list they go.
I have decided that I will root for the team that has the best uniforms, probably black. That’s how I choose my secondary teams.
Finally, I saw Ed Hochuli reffing for the first time (Vikes game). It is always good to see his guns back in action.
#221 by Kwik on 08.17.07 12:05 am |
Brian Smith said:
It’s the memorial patch for Lamar Hunt.
#222 by simonsdaddy on 08.17.07 12:20 am |
Just a random tidbit, but after looking at a video today I realized Bobby Crosby wears real stirrups
#223 by simonsdaddy on 08.17.07 12:21 am |
P.S. Sorry if it was already mentioned…
#224 by Teebz on 08.17.07 12:39 am |
Priest said:
River City Sports will do it, but be prepared for a ridiculous cost. The last time I called them, the cost of the customizing was nearly the same price as a brand-new jersey.
#225 by adr on 08.17.07 12:44 am |
Aaron Scholder said:
Ugh. I’m desperately hoping the piping is just for placement to help the developers.
But there’s not much hope, is there?
#226 by andy on 08.17.07 12:59 am |
On the topic of logo prototypes, I remember seeing a Buffalo Bills prototype logo a few years back. I vaguely remember a charging buffalo making a red and blue ‘B’. Anyone else seen this?
#227 by JM Rempt on 08.17.07 1:29 am |
Orange and Blue said:
I often defend the old A-wing uniforms to other Halo fans, as I thought they were kinda cool. Those mid 90’s interlocking CA uniforms were and are my all-time favorite for the Angels, though.
#228 by John Baranowski on 08.17.07 1:41 am |
http://www.yavin4.co...
full pic of that oilers vs canucks nhl08 game. canucks jerseys look pretty good if that’s real
#229 by JP on 08.17.07 3:04 am |
Priest said:
The coloring in that top panel on the arms and ditching the piping only gets us halfway. They also would need to:
#1 – fix the sleeve stripes to this.
#2 – restore the thickness of the stripes at the bottom to this
In fact, All you have to do, is show Reebok that Bossy picture, and say “make THAT, only without the stripe on the pants.”
I do like the string collar. While “unnecessary, it is a traditional, throwback look and makes the NHL logo seem less obtrusive.
as an Islanders fan, I should be more pissed about the jerseys. But pretty much every decision since trading Glen Healy has been a disaster, so I’m kinda numb to it. If they can trade Roberto Luongo for Oleg Kvasha, fashion sense never had a shot in hell of making our roster.
#230 by JM Rempt on 08.17.07 3:41 am |
Stuby said:
as far as minor league team logos go:
Round Rock Express: Stars in team logo(sharp looking unis too,actually.. http://www.roundrock...)
Corpus Christi Hooks: Star in logo
San Antonio Missions: Star in logo
Midland Rockhounds: no star that I could find.
Frisco RoughRiders: Texas flag sleeve patch
Coastal Bend Aviators: no stars
El Paso Diablos: star in logo
#231 by JM Rempt on 08.17.07 3:54 am |
continued unnecessary study of texas minor league teams…
Ft Worth Cats..no star present
Bay Area Toros: no star, but they do feature the ubiqutious bull_or steer, or longhorn..etc)
Lewisville Lizards: no star present
Tarrant County Blue Thunder: no star
Amarillo Dillas(which is a horrifically bad name): No star
Edinburgh Coyotes: Star(very small)in team logo
Laredo Broncos and Rio Grande Valley White Wings: no stars
#232 by Adam on 08.17.07 9:33 am |
concealed78 said:
Nah, I’d have to say the current White Sox uniform is one of the best they’ve ever had, far better than anything in the preceeding few decades. The White Sox have never really stuck with the same uniform for a long time, it’s nice to see them keeping one (and I can’t see it changing, especially after winning a world series in it). One thing that might be nice is wearing the 50’s home jersey as an alternate, it looked great when they did it as a throwback in 2005 – not TOO different, but you get some color.
#233 by Ryan on 08.17.07 11:59 am |
The new Isles jerseys look like cheap fake versions of their traditionals ones that somebody’s mom would buy them at sears in sixth grade.
#234 by Brian from Short Island on 08.17.07 12:49 pm |
Anthony Verna said:
I’m a Spurs supporter (they’re up in N17, down the proverbial block from the red-and-white scum), but Craven Cottage is very cool, and you should be sure to try to see a (Fulham) match there. I always support my American boys (but f****** Tim Howard styming my Spurs for Everton).
But seriously, Spurs, Fulham, Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham (premiership), Charlton, Watford (sort of), Queens Park Rangers and Crystal Palace (championship) are all London teams in the top two tiers, so be sure to see what you can. Spurs and Arsenal tickets can be very expensive and very hard to come by, but try anyway. Chelsea’s Stamford Bridge is a library, Fulham’s Craven Cottage is like Wrigley, and Spurs’ White Hart Lane has, if I do say so myself, the best fans going.
Enjoy your trip, and COME ON YOU SPURS!
#235 by ScottyJ in WV on 08.17.07 2:16 pm |
simonsdaddy said:
…..and they are awesome!!! I’ve always dug the yellow sanis and green stirrups look.
#236 by Jason on 08.17.07 2:35 pm |
In the middle of this picture of quarter machine football helmets from the 60’s and 70’s, one is of the Cleveland Browns with the “CB” helmet decal.
#237 by nastykjn on 08.17.07 7:14 pm |
Harry said:
First, where can I get one of Scott M.X. Turner’s Russian Baseball Hats? The winged version was awesome.
Second, I believe that this is a much more realistic picture of the Vikings’ cheerleaders.
#238 by Aram on 08.17.07 9:05 pm |
nastykjn said:
I really want one of the jerseys… really, really want one of the jerseys.
#239 by lemonverbena on 08.18.07 11:24 am |
great column on the Protos. one other note on the Seahawks’ never-worn silver helmets… they had originally planned to wear both versions, with the loser of the fan vote being an alternate, but the No Fun League nixed it. they let Miami wear construction-crew tops but the Hawks can’t run out a silver helmet? psshaw.
#240 by Monte on 08.19.07 6:18 pm |
It seems like, just off the top of my head, the NHL is letting the traditional teams keep it somewhat sedate (NYR, Boston, Detroit) while other teams are being encouraged to be a little more progressive (garish IMO).
The Isles jersey just has way too much going on.
I actually saw them at the Islanders team store and in person are not as hideous.
Still way too busy.
It might be more tolerable if they nix the numbers on the front.
#241 by George on 08.22.07 2:43 pm |
http://www.shoppittp...
Slight jersey tweaks for Pitt football this year.