Comments on: North of the Border Report, Eh http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/ The Obsessive Study Of Athletics Aesthetics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:25:38 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Matt http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-128028 Matt Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:16:05 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-128028 Odd that the football players are wearing soccer cleats. The biggest difference is that football cleats have a cleat up front, under the toe, while soccer cleats don't. Odd that the football players are wearing soccer cleats. The biggest difference is that football cleats have a cleat up front, under the toe, while soccer cleats don’t.

]]> By: James http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-127052 James Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:44:36 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-127052 For everyone knocking M&N on here and complaining that they "can't seem to get it right". They provide an incredible service to sports fans by keeping alive old jerseys and players at a level of quality you would never find from Reebok or Majestic/VF. I'm sure some errors are mistakes, some are probably related to production difficulties, and others are related to the difficulty in finding clear historical records. As to the idea that M&N would extend production outside of their license, I find that preposterous. One violation would be the end of their license with a league which would be a massive blow to their business. I think they've got way more sense than that. If it looks like a knockoff, it's a knockoff. For everyone knocking M&N on here and complaining that they “can’t seem to get it right”. They provide an incredible service to sports fans by keeping alive old jerseys and players at a level of quality you would never find from Reebok or Majestic/VF. I’m sure some errors are mistakes, some are probably related to production difficulties, and others are related to the difficulty in finding clear historical records. As to the idea that M&N would extend production outside of their license, I find that preposterous. One violation would be the end of their license with a league which would be a massive blow to their business. I think they’ve got way more sense than that. If it looks like a knockoff, it’s a knockoff.

]]> By: Korryn http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-127007 Korryn Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:19:27 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-127007 Interesting comment by Tim Keown in his recent column about recreational games in DC. In particular a team had to forfeit because their patches were screened on and not true, stitched patches. here is the story about it: http://www.tdn.com/articles/2007/07/26/top_story/news01.txt Sorry if it is a repost; I can't keep up with all of the commentary. Interesting comment by Tim Keown in his recent column about recreational games in DC. In particular a team had to forfeit because their patches were screened on and not true, stitched patches. here is the story about it: http://www.tdn.com/a...

Sorry if it is a repost; I can’t keep up with all of the commentary.

]]> By: ginsk http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-127003 ginsk Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:41:33 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-127003 [quote comment="127000"][quote comment="126984"][quote comment="126744"]check out this 1963 Ed Lopat game used jersey on ebay, why does he have his first name on the back? http://cgi.ebay.com/Ed-Lopat-1963-KC-Athletics-Game-Used-Uniform-Jersey_W0QQitemZ260143735104QQihZ016QQcategoryZ60597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/quote] After seeing this item I have real doubts about a "Certificate of Authenticity from the Grey Flannel Gallery". Note Grey Flannel Gallery is the name of the store. No way this uni is the real deal. Look closely at the Wilson tag (I think the KC A's unis were McAuliffe anyway) and you'll see it is not even made of flannel. Looks knit to me. So much for the 99.9% Positive Feedback. Any other opinions?[/quote] the link says its a spring training jersey,perhaps they are different than the regular seasion

Richard S. said:

Dom said:

check out this 1963 Ed Lopat game used jersey on ebay, why does he have his first name on the back?

http://cgi.ebay.com/...

After seeing this item I have real doubts about a “Certificate of Authenticity from the Grey Flannel Gallery”. Note Grey Flannel Gallery is the name of the store. No way this uni is the real deal. Look closely at the Wilson tag (I think the KC A’s unis were McAuliffe anyway) and you’ll see it is not even made of flannel. Looks knit to me. So much for the 99.9% Positive Feedback. Any other opinions?

the link says its a spring training jersey,perhaps they are different than the regular seasion

]]> By: DW in Tampa Bay http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-127000 DW in Tampa Bay Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:21:07 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-127000 [quote comment="126984"][quote comment="126744"]check out this 1963 Ed Lopat game used jersey on ebay, why does he have his first name on the back? http://cgi.ebay.com/Ed-Lopat-1963-KC-Athletics-Game-Used-Uniform-Jersey_W0QQitemZ260143735104QQihZ016QQcategoryZ60597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/quote] After seeing this item I have real doubts about a "Certificate of Authenticity from the Grey Flannel Gallery". Note Grey Flannel Gallery is the name of the store. No way this uni is the real deal. Look closely at the Wilson tag (I think the KC A's unis were McAuliffe anyway) and you'll see it is not even made of flannel. Looks knit to me. So much for the 99.9% Positive Feedback. Any other opinions?[/quote] Looks like it is made out of Dureene material. I think the "A" is too small and the number on the front is too high. Richard S. said:

Dom said:

check out this 1963 Ed Lopat game used jersey on ebay, why does he have his first name on the back?

http://cgi.ebay.com/...

After seeing this item I have real doubts about a “Certificate of Authenticity from the Grey Flannel Gallery”. Note Grey Flannel Gallery is the name of the store. No way this uni is the real deal. Look closely at the Wilson tag (I think the KC A’s unis were McAuliffe anyway) and you’ll see it is not even made of flannel. Looks knit to me. So much for the 99.9% Positive Feedback. Any other opinions?

Looks like it is made out of Dureene material. I think the “A” is too small and the number on the front is too high.

]]> By: Jay http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-126996 Jay Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:10:51 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-126996 <a href="http://www.thebreakaway.net/forums/showpost.php?p=155791&postcount=561" rel="nofollow"> There's a link to the post by the way. I don't know if it'll work, but at least there's evidence.

There’s a link to the post by the way. I don’t know if it’ll work, but at least there’s evidence.

]]> By: Jay http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-126995 Jay Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:08:23 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-126995 [quote comment="126954"]http://bp1.blogger.com/_r8tWGVHrjGI/Rq-jkNB0YBI/AAAAAAAAA5Y/fl3Tkl4TVH8/s1600-h/newstarsblack.jpg The best thing about NHL jersey are the crests. Every friggin' uniform (expect the Rangers) must have a crest or monogram...no exceptions Gary. It should be written in the NHL Operations Manual that NO team ever be allowed to use some wimpy practicewear lettering in its' jerseys ever again. Jesus, DALLAS??? That's all you got Reebok. Yikes.[/quote] A guy on a message board I am a member of made that when he was at work. Wanted to test out viral marketing, and gave an in depth account of how he made it. All he did was photoshop a jersey, print it out, and take a picture of it with his cell phone. TOG said:

http://bp1.blogger.c...

The best thing about NHL jersey are the crests. Every friggin’ uniform (expect the Rangers) must have a crest or monogram…no exceptions Gary.

It should be written in the NHL Operations Manual that NO team ever be allowed to use some wimpy practicewear lettering in its’ jerseys ever again.

Jesus, DALLAS??? That’s all you got Reebok. Yikes.

A guy on a message board I am a member of made that when he was at work. Wanted to test out viral marketing, and gave an in depth account of how he made it. All he did was photoshop a jersey, print it out, and take a picture of it with his cell phone.

]]> By: DW in Tampa Bay http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-126994 DW in Tampa Bay Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:03:43 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-126994 [quote comment="126881"][quote comment="126750"][quote] Also, why do you assume that Torre's #6 will be retired? Joe McCarthy's number isn't retired and he has managed more games, won more games, has a higher winning percentage, won 2 more pennants and 3 more World Series titles than Torre has and his number isn't retired.[/quote] Joe McCarthy never wore a number with the Yankees, though he does have a plaque in Monument Park which is the same thing.[/quote] No, it is not. Lefty Gomez, pitcher 1930-42, plaque dedicated August 1, 1987. His number 11 has not been retired. Allie Reynolds, pitcher 1947-54, plaque dedicated August 27, 1989. His number 22 has not been retired.

DW in Tampa Bay said:

DW in Tampa Bay said:

Also, why do you assume that Torre’s #6 will be retired? Joe McCarthy’s number isn’t retired and he has managed more games, won more games, has a higher winning percentage, won 2 more pennants and 3 more World Series titles than Torre has and his number isn’t retired.

Joe McCarthy never wore a number with the Yankees, though he does have a plaque in Monument Park which is the same thing.

No, it is not.

Lefty Gomez, pitcher 1930-42, plaque dedicated August 1, 1987. His number 11 has not been retired.
Allie Reynolds, pitcher 1947-54, plaque dedicated August 27, 1989. His number 22 has not been retired.

]]> By: Seth H http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-126993 Seth H Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:02:11 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-126993 <em>So glad you pointed that out. The worst part is that they sell jerseys and shirts with those mistakes at The Yard. The old Vertically Arched black font is classic. BTW, I was never a fan of the black Orioles font on the jersey front; glad they went back to all Orange on the front. SNY (the Mets channel) replayed Game 4 of the 1969 World Series last night (a game I attended as a 5 year old). When George Bamberger went to the mound, I could not take my eyes off of the screen. The uniform was a thing of beauty: The vertically arched “Bamberger” making nearly a full semi-circle combined with the black/white/orange striped stirrups. </em> Let me correct my own post. That should be "radially" arched, not vertically arched. So glad you pointed that out. The worst part is that they sell jerseys and shirts with those mistakes at The Yard. The old Vertically Arched black font is classic. BTW, I was never a fan of the black Orioles font on the jersey front; glad they went back to all Orange on the front.

SNY (the Mets channel) replayed Game 4 of the 1969 World Series last night (a game I attended as a 5 year old). When George Bamberger went to the mound, I could not take my eyes off of the screen. The uniform was a thing of beauty: The vertically arched “Bamberger” making nearly a full semi-circle combined with the black/white/orange striped stirrups.

Let me correct my own post. That should be “radially” arched, not vertically arched.

]]> By: Richard S. http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2007/07/31/north-of-the-border-report-eh/#comment-126988 Richard S. Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:55:18 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/?p=573#comment-126988 [quote comment="126643"][quote comment="126613"][quote comment="126593"]<a href="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1407/934677504_0c6b93c83a.jpg?v=0" rel="nofollow"> this jersey was never made by Mitchell and Ness. When we were aloud to make his jersey we only made his 1975, 1967 and vested 1964 flannel</a>[/quote] I was in Cooperstown this past weekend and got to see a million M&N throwbacks. It was nice to actually get to see them in person as opposed to just online, but I was very disappointed in how many errors there were with a lot of them....wrong size numbers, wrong style names, and wrong style numbers. I would think that there were people there sort of jersey "fact checking" these before they hit production.[/quote] They refer to loads of photos and make sure the jerseys are accurate. If you're relying solely on your memory of the uniforms to chastise them, I suggest you double check them. Chances are better that you were remembering incorrectly.[/quote] I'm not so sure of that. Most of us have excellent memories of our childhood team's unis. Most of us can spot something wrong in a heartbeat, and the most minor differences are glaring. Two M&N Red Sox unis, jumped out at me. The first, which I own, and had purchased for me at the M&N store was the '67 home. I <em>immediately</em> was disappointed that the piping on the sleves are about 3/4" above the break of the sleeve. In actuality the piping was <em>at</em> the break. I own game worn '66 pants, and the material in the pants is significantly lighter than the winter coat like flannel in the jersey. To their credit , they nailed the font. The '75 Sox collar lowers to a sharp point, but the M&N is clearly rounded. With all the gameworn flannel unis out there, one would think M&N would put their creation next to an authentic one, and see for themselves. Anthony M said:

Joe H said:

Jared Wheeler said:


this jersey was never made by Mitchell and Ness. When we were aloud to make his jersey we only made his 1975, 1967 and vested 1964 flannel

I was in Cooperstown this past weekend and got to see a million M&N throwbacks. It was nice to actually get to see them in person as opposed to just online, but I was very disappointed in how many errors there were with a lot of them….wrong size numbers, wrong style names, and wrong style numbers. I would think that there were people there sort of jersey “fact checking” these before they hit production.

They refer to loads of photos and make sure the jerseys are accurate. If you’re relying solely on your memory of the uniforms to chastise them, I suggest you double check them. Chances are better that you were remembering incorrectly.

I’m not so sure of that. Most of us have excellent memories of our childhood team’s unis. Most of us can spot something wrong in a heartbeat, and the most minor differences are glaring. Two M&N Red Sox unis, jumped out at me. The first, which I own, and had purchased for me at the M&N store was the ‘67 home. I immediately was disappointed that the piping on the sleves are about 3/4″ above the break of the sleeve. In actuality the piping was at the break. I own game worn ‘66 pants, and the material in the pants is significantly lighter than the winter coat like flannel in the jersey. To their credit , they nailed the font. The ‘75 Sox collar lowers to a sharp point, but the M&N is clearly rounded. With all the gameworn flannel unis out there, one would think M&N would put their creation next to an authentic one, and see for themselves.

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