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06.05.07

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I had a houseguest over the weekend and barely touched my computer, so I’m a day late in covering the details of the weekend’s big uni-related story. With apologies to those for whom this is already old news, here’s the scoop:

During Game 3 of the Stanley Cup finals on Saturday night, Ottawa’s Jason Spezza, who normally wears No. 19, had his jersey badly torn during a tussle with Anaheim’s Sammy Pahlsson (you can see part of the rip here). Both players were penalized for roughing, but Spezza immediately removed his torn jersey and scampered off to the locker room to get a new jersey while another Ottawa player sat in the penalty box in his stead.

Nothing so unusual there — it happens. The weird part was when Spezza returned a minute or two later: Instead of wearing a new No. 19 jersey or a repaired version of his original jersey, he was wearing No. 44. That number is usually worn by Patrick Eaves, who was a healthy scratch for the game. The penalty hadn’t yet expired, so Spezza took his place in the sin bin wearing Eaves’s jersey. When the penalty expired, Spezza skated onto the ice and played until the next whistle, at which point he skated to the bench and switched to a proper 19 jersey.

A few of the details are still fuzzy. Some reports said that Spezza’s original torn jersey was repaired while he was in the penalty box, and that he eventually put it back on; others said that the equipment staff eventually found a new 19 jersey for him to wear. And according to the fourth paragraph of this article (alertly forwarded by Brent Bollmeier), “[S]ince the Sens equipment staff quickly stapled Spezza’s name on the back of Eaves’ jersey, it would not have been illegal for him to go on the ice wearing a different number, in this case 44 rather than his own 19″ — an interesting factoid, except for the fact that the Sens staff didn’t staple Spezza’s name onto the 44 jersey. Anyone know more about that?

The announcers had plenty of fun with all this, which you can hear for yourself, because whole thing has already been immortalized in two short YouTube videos, available here and here.

Blowout Chatter: The Cubs had a rare laugher on Saturday, which gave announcers Len Kasper and Bob Brenly a chance to ignore the play-by-play proceedings and concentrate on more important matters, like uniforms. The discussion began when they noted that one of the Cubbies’ clubhouse managers was in uniform and serving as a batboy (apparently one of the team’s standard methods of trying to break a losing streak, something I guess the Cubs have had lots of opportunities to perfect over the years). That led Kasper to wax expansive about a recent chat he’d had with one of the other clubhouse guys:

Kasper: I had a great talk with Tim Hellmann, who works in the home clubhouse, and was talking about the jerseys and taking care of the uniforms and the new synthetic polyester-blend caps. He was telling me that most dirt and grass stains require hand-washing, to keep them nice and clean. And the pants get replaced much more often, for obvious reasons. If you’re wondering, the uniforms are made out of polyester, and they’re washed in warm water. Are you writing this down?

Brenly: No.

Kasper: See, I’ve been saving this story for a long time. Just felt like today was the day. [Camera shows Felix Pie in the Cubs dugout with a lot of dirt on his jersey.] Felix Pie’s uniform might require a bit of hand-washing. I asked Tim if they ever iron the uniforms — sometimes you see a bit of a wrinkle. I guess it’s rare that they have to iron. He said at one time the uniforms were washed in hot water and quickly packed — sometimes had to be touched up with an iron. So it does happen on occasion. Now, as a catcher, you probably went through more pairs of pants than any other position. Do you have any idea how many pairs of trousers you averaged in a big league season?

Brenly: Well, y’know, back in the day we were on a strict budget there in San Francisco. We used to patch our uniforms frequently. It wasn’t unusual to see a guy with three or four layers of patching, especially on your sliding knee, and for me that was my left knee. They just continued to patch ’em until they couldn’t patch them anymore, at which point they were put in a box and sent to the minor leagues for those guys to deal with. You don’t see a lot of patching going on nowadays — if a guy tears his pants or slides so many times that he gets a bare spot on the knee of his pants, they just get him a new pair.

(Special thanks to AJ Favorite for tipping me wise to this highly riveting bit of uni banter.)

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Membership Update: Continued thanks to the very enthusiastic and generous folks who’ve signed up for a Uni Watch membership. Everyone who signed up through yesterday is now listed on the membership roster, where, in most cases, you can see the name/number style that everyone’s chosen for the backs of their cards (which, I think you’ll agree, looks pretty damn cool). Have fun checking out the roster — it’s worth reading it just to see why Mark Emge chose No. 12.

If you signed up prior to yesterday and don’t see your name on the roster, or if there’s an error in your roster listing, let me know and we’ll make things right. If you’re on the roster and want to send me a photo of yourself that can be linked to your name, go ahead and e-mail it to me (or, if you want to link to a photo that’s already no the web, just send me the URL). Also, if you’d rather have your name linked to your e-mail address, so other readers can get in touch with you, let me know and I’ll set up the link.

The actual laminated cards, along with other membership benefits, will start shipping out later this week. It’ll probably take me a few weeks before I get fully caught up — thanks in advance for your patience.

Meanwhile: Terry Mark, I have a question regarding your membership order and am having trouble e-mailing you — please shoot me a note.

Uni Watch News Ticker: An inside MLB source reports the following: “Next year MLB is getting new dugout gear. The jackets will be made of new fabric — think North Face material, but not the fleece kind. The half-zip pullovers will also be kinda weird — more windbreaker-like, but with zip-off sleeves. Also, looks like the negative feedback on this year’s BP gear is falling on deaf ears. The jerseys, at least, will be used again next year.” … Dynamite article here about the uniforms used in the Ernie Davis movie (with thanks to Mike Alper). … More minor league shenanigans, this time from the Frederick Keys, who wore NASCAR jerseys on Saturday night (as forwarded by Tim Phelps). … Succinct analysis by Morris Bird, who says, Let’s hope this logo evolves quickly.” Details here. … Peter Angelos briefly addresses the situation regarding the Orioles’ road jersey insignia in the middle of this interview (just do a search on “uniform”). … Kurt Hiester notes that Dustin Pedroia wears his shin guard unusually high while batting. … Good note from Scott Merzbach, who writes: ” When I was in Lynchburg, Virginia, last weekend for a minor league baseball game, I recalled that the last time I attended a Hillcats baseball game in 1999, the opponents had left their caps at home and were forced to wear generic hats when they took the field. I found a newspaper clip that confirmed my recollection: ‘The (Kinston) Indians were forced to play the game in all-blue adjustable hats they bought at High Peak Sportswear because their regular caps were accidentally left in Kinston.’ ” … Several readers noted that after Michael Barrett’s scuffle with Carlos Zambrano (which resulted in some nasty-looking stitches), he has switched from wearing a conventional mask to a hockey-style model. … Remember Manny Ramirez wearing Oakley Thumps? He was wearing them again last night (with thanks to Michael Milici). … I could do a whole column on Don Cherry’s suits, but for now I’ll just pass along Dustin Pomprowitz’s observation that Cherry was wearing little Canadian flag cufflinks last night.

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I think Don Cherry may have outdone himself in this video. My monitor here at work isn’t the greatest, but if I’m not mistaken, I believe Don is wearing a carnation sportscoat.

Remember Manny Ramirez wearing Oakley Thumps? He was wearing them again last night (with thanks to Michael Milici).

The Red Sox played Oakland last night. That shot must be from last weekend, May 25-27, when Boston played Texas.

Remember Manny Ramirez wearing Oakley Thumps? He was wearing them again last night (with thanks to Michael Milici).

The Red Sox played Oakland last night.

That shot must be from last weekend, May 25-27, when Boston played Texas.

Oops, nevermind. My bad. The other pic was from him last night in Oakland.

Hopefully someone can hlep me out with this: I want to have name and numbers stitched onto a blank Seattle Mariners jersey. Is there anyplace in New York that I can bring/mail the jersey to that would be able to stitch authentic Mariners’ name and numbers onto it?

Hopefully someone can hlep me out with this: I want to have name and numbers stitched onto a blank Seattle Mariners jersey. Is there anyplace in New York that I can bring/mail the jersey to that would be able to stitch authentic Mariners’ name and numbers onto it?

I belive each mlb’s team shop via their website does it…

Hey Paul,
You sure that’s not Len Kasper and Bob Brenly? Pat Hughes is a radio guy, Brenly’s a TV guy. I’m pretty sure it was Len Kasper on Sunday.

The Mariners use the same block font that the Mets use (different colors, of course, and no shadows) for both the names and numbers, so if you see a place that letters real Mets jerseys, they could probably do the Mariners too.

I had a blue Cubs road jersey as a kid and never looked into getting numbers on the back because I was worried that they’d use the dull block font and not the cool curved one that the Cubs actually use.

Barrett’s mask may be Koyie Hill’s mask. Hill just got called up and wears that style.

Gerry Cosby at the garden can do that Seattle jersey.

It was definitely Len Kasper and Bob Brenly (note spelling). I watched the game. Pat Hughes works with Ron Santo on the radio and he does a daily uniform update, describing in detail what the players for both teams are wearing for the radio listeners in the early innings … “The Cubs are wearing their home white pinstriped tops with matching pants, blue shoes, blue caps and blue socks…”

Hey Paul,
You sure that’s not Len Kasper and Bob Brenly? Pat Hughes is a radio guy, Brenly’s a TV guy. I’m pretty sure it was Len Kasper on Sunday.

My bad — I’ll fix.

Here’s a little tidbit on changing jersey numbers in the NBA……

The NBA jersey change rule requires players who are not changing teams and who wish to change numbers at will to have their current number for a period of four seasons or longer and inform the league more than six months in advance.

Kurt Hiester notes that Dustin Pedroia wears his shin guard unusually high while batting

That is pretty normal, some guys foul balls off of their feet or inside of their ankle, while some have a tendency to foul it off of the inside of their knee (guess it depedns on your normal flight of the bat and contact point???). Anyway, speaking from experience, the ball off the inside of the knee is one of the most painful things I ever experienced - but I had a tendency to foul it off of the inside of my ankle more often than not, so I wore my guard down there.

And the Cubs ‘laugher’ game was Sunday, not Saturday. Not sure which day this exchange took place. I must have slept through it, as I usually do when I try to watch a Cubs game.

Have to give a shout-out to Barry Zito, who always wears his uniform properly, including the high socks. He is the founder of “Strikeouts for Troops,” an organization that helps wounded soldiers and Marines. On the website, Manny Ramirez is listed as one of the participants. I guess now I have to forgive him for his uniform transgressions! Kudos to these guys who support causes like this.

Paul,

You could do an entire blog based on the stylings of Don Cherry.

Looks like the white Arsenal kit is confirmed through this pic.

I dreaded this change at first but now I kind of like it, especially the socks. Although it looks like Gilberto got short changed in the socks area.

Thanks for the “shout out” Paul.

No one ever has a better argument for chosing the number 12. You just can’t argue with science and logic.

speaking of hockey, is it me or do the Duck’s and Sen’s jerseys have the hugest numerals in the history of ever?

Don Cherry’s suit last night was incredible! The off-white pinstripes, black polka dotted tie, and red boutonnière. Amazing!

Looks like the white Arsenal kit is confirmed through this pic.

I dreaded this change at first but now I kind of like it, especially the socks. Although it looks like Gilberto got short changed in the socks area.

Damn, those stripes really show how skinny his legs are.

It was definitely Len Kasper and Bob Brenly (note spelling). I watched the game. Pat Hughes works with Ron Santo on the radio and he does a daily uniform update, describing in detail what the players for both teams are wearing for the radio listeners in the early innings … “The Cubs are wearing their home white pinstriped tops with matching pants, blue shoes, blue caps and blue socks…”

Michael Kay, when he was on the radio for the Yankees used to do the same thing. Unfortuanetly, that, and any sense of dignity left with him after he moved to TV. I, just like many Yankees fans, will turn the radio back on once the Yankees fire Suzyn Waldman and/or John Sterling.

speaking of hockey, is it me or do the Duck’s and Sen’s jerseys have the hugest numerals in the history of ever?


It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

Hey Vince, Where are you from in cleveland? When did you graduate from high school. I graduated in 2001 and was big into the soccer scene there. From your posts it appears as if you might have been too.

Re: this ridiculous London logo.

It looks like Lisa Simpson giving head. You’ve been warned.

Re: this ridiculous London logo.

It looks like Lisa Simpson giving head. You’ve been warned.

Did I miss something?!?! Are we back in the 1980’s?

Hey Vince, Where are you from in cleveland? When did you graduate from high school. I graduated in 2001 and was big into the soccer scene there. From your posts it appears as if you might have been too.

Grew up in Hinckley, Strongsville, Midd. Hts., Cleveland Hts., and Berea. Went to St. Ignatius, but didn’t play soccer there. Played traveling soccer for Brunswick through middle school.

Parnell’s next to Cedar Lee is the best place in Cleveland to watch soccer, by the way.

Anyone else notice the Pirates tend to be mismatch their undershirts? They are supposed to have the pirate patch on their arm, as two of the guys in this picture do http://news.yahoo.co...

..as you can see Freddy Sanchez did not get the memo. Last year a number of guys wore the “pox” shirts….meh….

Sorry… Ignatius— ‘00 and Case ‘04

Hey Vince, Where are you from in cleveland? When did you graduate from high school. I graduated in 2001 and was big into the soccer scene there. From your posts it appears as if you might have been too.

Grew up in Hinckley, Strongsville, Midd. Hts., Cleveland Hts., and Berea. Went to St. Ignatius, but didn’t play soccer there. Played traveling soccer for Brunswick through middle school.

Parnell’s next to Cedar Lee is the best place in Cleveland to watch soccer, by the way.

Ignatius. Okay, I went and played for Hawken. I was the goalie on the team and graduated in 2001. I was good friends with a few guys on Iggy’s team, David Mayers, Mettin (spelled wrong) and a few others)

I do enjoy the Cleveland bias on here when you write. Its about time Cleveland does well in sports. Keep up the good work.

Looks like the white Arsenal kit is confirmed through this pic.

I dreaded this change at first but now I kind of like it, especially the socks. Although it looks like Gilberto got short changed in the socks area.

i hate the gunners hate them with a passion, but i got to admit that that kit is WAY better looking (the soxs are very cool) then my hotspur 07/08 kit.

I would so love to see a column on Cherry’s suits.

Looks like the white Arsenal kit is confirmed through this pic.

I dreaded this change at first but now I kind of like it, especially the socks. Although it looks like Gilberto got short changed in the socks area.

Gunners are just trying to imitate the greatest football team in the world, Tottenham! Come on you Spurs! I’ll bet Arse-nal wears these kits when they play Spurs at Emirates, just to screw with Tottenham and make them wear their change kits.

i hate the gunners hate them with a passion, but i got to admit that that kit is WAY better looking (the soxs are very cool) then my hotspur 07/08 kit.

Spurs’ new kits for ‘07-’08 might be kind of plain and simple, but God knows we need more of that in sports these days. I happen to like everything they’ll be wearing, with the exception of the half-blue, half-white shirt which they’ll thankfully only be wearing for one game.

read the Angelos interview. amazing. this guy is complaining that his ticket price is lower than boston’s and thats why he can’t compete.

he says that he’s got 46,000 seats at $22 and the red sox have 36,000 at $45 average ticket price…

idiot. if the Red Sox had 46,000 seats there’s no way they could get away w/ a super high average ticket price. its supply and demand. there’s very little demand for Orioles tix (except from NY and Boston fans) so they can’t charge a lot. The red sox have sold out over 300 games in a row. they can charge whatever they want as long as they win or are competitive.

angelos is not a good owner. proven, again and again.

he did talk about maybe changing the uniforms of the orioles, though, and that’d be cool. i love the old smiling penguinish oriole.

Re: this ridiculous London logo.

It looks like Lisa Simpson giving head. You’ve been warned.

Did I miss something?!?! Are we back in the 1980’s?

Seriously, I’m surprised they didn’t screen it on a t-shirt and have Vanilla Ice wear it for the unveiling along with a huuuuuge gold chain, Nike high tops and baggy pants.

Angelos would make a good politician. Feh.

By the way, where in the hell is Scranton, Ohio??!!? Double feh.

Paul,

You could do an entire blog based on the stylings of Don Cherry.

My wife will begrudgingly watch hockey with me. (She loves going to the games…jsut hates it on tv…and here in Washington, when I watch the Caps, we get Craig Laughlin, whos voice makes her want to put a knife in her ears to stop the sound). So she had no CLUE who Don Cherry was. She walks in, while I’m watching Ducks/Sens last night and it was Intermission… “Oh my god! They have pimps in Canada!?” she asks! Awesome! Watching him further…she said, he’s like a white, Canadian version of Michael Irvin! (Good stuff!)

read the Angelos interview. amazing. this guy is complaining that his ticket price is lower than boston’s and thats why he can’t compete.

he says that he’s got 46,000 seats at $22 and the red sox have 36,000 at $45 average ticket price…

idiot. if the Red Sox had 46,000 seats there’s no way they could get away w/ a super high average ticket price. its supply and demand. there’s very little demand for Orioles tix (except from NY and Boston fans) so they can’t charge a lot. The red sox have sold out over 300 games in a row. they can charge whatever they want as long as they win or are competitive.

angelos is not a good owner. proven, again and again.

he did talk about maybe changing the uniforms of the orioles, though, and that’d be cool. i love the old smiling penguinish oriole.

I was at the Terps/Florida State basketball game last season @ UM. Cal Ripken and Steve Biscotti were sitting together, courtside…I’ve seen them hanging out on several occasions, catching a Ravens game, Terps game, golfing…It would be AWESOME if they were working on coming up with a buy-out for Angelos. If Cal owned the Os…oh, man. Forgetaboutit!

Here’s a little tidbit on changing jersey numbers in the NBA……

The NBA jersey change rule requires players who are not changing teams and who wish to change numbers at will to have their current number for a period of four seasons or longer and inform the league more than six months in advance.

What happens when a younger guy who’s been in the league for three years or less wants to offer his number to a veteran who’s joining the team? He can’t do it?

This seems a little unusual. In the NBA there are no bizarre numbers as long as you stay with the “no digit over 5″ rule (not like in baseball, where an implementation of this rule would mean that rookies called up late in the year would be stuck with their 57s and 61s), so I guess they’re just doing it to stop teams giving stars new numbers suddenly so that they can sell new jerseys.

Have to give a shout-out to Barry Zito, who always wears his uniform properly, including the high socks.

The socks are fine, but for Zito to truly wear is uniform properly, he needs to subtract at least 26 from that monstrosity on his back!

Re: this ridiculous London logo.

It looks like Lisa Simpson giving head. You’ve been warned.

I AM AT WORK! I’ve never laughed out loud at something posted on here before, but this did the trick. You’re killing me…stop it or I’ll be unemployed!

That is now the only thing I can see in the logo.

Actually, I would kill to see someone with PhotoShop skills turn that into an animated GIF.

Hmmmm sp*rs, don’t seem to recall them being a football team.

C’MON YOU GUNNERS! LOL!

Here’s a little tidbit on changing jersey numbers in the NBA……

The NBA jersey change rule requires players who are not changing teams and who wish to change numbers at will to have their current number for a period of four seasons or longer and inform the league more than six months in advance.

What happens when a younger guy who’s been in the league for three years or less wants to offer his number to a veteran who’s joining the team? He can’t do it?

This seems a little unusual. In the NBA there are no bizarre numbers as long as you stay with the “no digit over 5″ rule (not like in baseball, where an implementation of this rule would mean that rookies called up late in the year would be stuck with their 57s and 61s), so I guess they’re just doing it to stop teams giving stars new numbers suddenly so that they can sell new jerseys.

Have to give a shout-out to Barry Zito, who always wears his uniform properly, including the high socks.

The socks are fine, but for Zito to truly wear is uniform properly, he needs to subtract at least 26 from that monstrosity on his back!

The NBA does not have a “no digit over 5 rule” Rodman wore numbers in the 90’s, Drew Gooden wears 90 right now. The NCAA does have a “no number higher than 5″ rule though. The highest diget allowed is 5 so that the referees can show with their fingers the number of the player who committed the foul. Therefore the highest possible number in college is 55

It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

I have gone over this many times. Hockey sweaters were sweaters when they were made of wool. They are now made of polyester, and are referred to as “sweaters” or “jerseys” due to their polyester nature.

Both terms are completely acceptable. Why split hairs over a word that means the exact same thing to hockey fans everywhere? I am a traditionalist when it comes to hockey, but I call them jerseys because they are no longer sweaters in the sense of a wool sweater. They don’t fit like a wool sweater. They don’t feel like a wool sweater. They don’t keep you warm like a wool sweater.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.

read the Angelos interview. amazing. this guy is complaining that his ticket price is lower than boston’s and thats why he can’t compete.

he says that he’s got 46,000 seats at $22 and the red sox have 36,000 at $45 average ticket price…

idiot. if the Red Sox had 46,000 seats there’s no way they could get away w/ a super high average ticket price. its supply and demand. there’s very little demand for Orioles tix (except from NY and Boston fans) so they can’t charge a lot. The red sox have sold out over 300 games in a row. they can charge whatever they want as long as they win or are competitive.

angelos is not a good owner. proven, again and again.

he did talk about maybe changing the uniforms of the orioles, though, and that’d be cool. i love the old smiling penguinish oriole.

I was at the Terps/Florida State basketball game last season @ UM. Cal Ripken and Steve Biscotti were sitting together, courtside…I’ve seen them hanging out on several occasions, catching a Ravens game, Terps game, golfing…It would be AWESOME if they were working on coming up with a buy-out for Angelos. If Cal owned the Os…oh, man. Forgetaboutit!

I believe the term you are looking for is “Fuggedaboutit“.

It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

I have gone over this many times. Hockey sweaters were sweaters when they were made of wool. They are now made of polyester, and are referred to as “sweaters” or “jerseys” due to their polyester nature.

Both terms are completely acceptable. Why split hairs over a word that means the exact same thing to hockey fans everywhere? I am a traditionalist when it comes to hockey, but I call them jerseys because they are no longer sweaters in the sense of a wool sweater. They don’t fit like a wool sweater. They don’t feel like a wool sweater. They don’t keep you warm like a wool sweater.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.


I’m sorry I disagree, and so do most Canadians. It’s called a sweater and will always be regardless of what material it is made of. I we were to follow your logic then hockey fans could call a goal tender a goal keeper. Just because other sports call it a jersey doesn’t mean it’s correct to call a hockey sweater that.

Paul,

You could do an entire blog based on the stylings of Don Cherry.

My wife will begrudgingly watch hockey with me. (She loves going to the games…jsut hates it on tv…and here in Washington, when I watch the Caps, we get Craig Laughlin, whos voice makes her want to put a knife in her ears to stop the sound). So she had no CLUE who Don Cherry was. She walks in, while I’m watching Ducks/Sens last night and it was Intermission… “Oh my god! They have pimps in Canada!?” she asks! Awesome! Watching him further…she said, he’s like a white, Canadian version of Michael Irvin! (Good stuff!)

Dan, you should be taken out back and beaten with a puck bag for comparing Don Cherry with that eyesore Michael Irvin. J/K

Paul,

You could do an entire blog based on the stylings of Don Cherry.

My wife will begrudgingly watch hockey with me. (She loves going to the games…jsut hates it on tv…and here in Washington, when I watch the Caps, we get Craig Laughlin, whos voice makes her want to put a knife in her ears to stop the sound). So she had no CLUE who Don Cherry was. She walks in, while I’m watching Ducks/Sens last night and it was Intermission… “Oh my god! They have pimps in Canada!?” she asks! Awesome! Watching him further…she said, he’s like a white, Canadian version of Michael Irvin! (Good stuff!)

Dan, you should be taken out back and beaten with a puck bag for comparing Don Cherry with that eyesore Michael Irvin. J/K

The suit speaks for itself!!! Don’t shoot the messenger! lol.

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I’m not talking about Don Cherry as an announcer…although he is quite loud, as well…just going purely on haberdashery!

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Not sure if this was mentioned…but Vandy went with the throwbacks in their loss last night

It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

I have gone over this many times. Hockey sweaters were sweaters when they were made of wool. They are now made of polyester, and are referred to as “sweaters” or “jerseys” due to their polyester nature.

Both terms are completely acceptable. Why split hairs over a word that means the exact same thing to hockey fans everywhere? I am a traditionalist when it comes to hockey, but I call them jerseys because they are no longer sweaters in the sense of a wool sweater. They don’t fit like a wool sweater. They don’t feel like a wool sweater. They don’t keep you warm like a wool sweater.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.


I’m sorry I disagree, and so do most Canadians. It’s called a sweater and will always be regardless of what material it is made of. I we were to follow your logic then hockey fans could call a goal tender a goal keeper. Just because other sports call it a jersey doesn’t mean it’s correct to call a hockey sweater that.

Um, I am a Canadian, and if you own polyester sweaters, that’s your business. Are you willing to speak on behalf of “most Canadians” because I’m going to say that “most Canadians” wouldn’t care one way or another.

Do you call sweatshirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call long-sleeved T-shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call button-up shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of cotton and polyester and fit like a sweater.

My opinion is not right, nor have I ever said it was. My opinion is just that: an opinion.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.

I’m sorry I disagree, and so do most Canadians. It’s called a sweater and will always be regardless of what material it is made of. I we were to follow your logic then hockey fans could call a goal tender a goal keeper. Just because other sports call it a jersey doesn’t mean it’s correct to call a hockey sweater that.

Oooh, Teebz - he is questioning your Canadian-ness. Clearly he has never heard you say “pokecheck.”

We had this argument on Saturday’s Open Thread. I considered quoting myself from that discussion, but I will refrain. Fact is, both terms are acceptable. “Sweater” is a more traditional term, but no more correct than jersey. It is a matter of preference. Finally, it is interesting to note that the NHL Rulebook (rule 9.3 and 9.4) refers to it as a “jersey.”

i hate the gunners hate them with a passion, but i got to admit that that kit is WAY better looking (the soxs are very cool) then my hotspur 07/08 kit.

Spurs’ new kits for ‘07-’08 might be kind of plain and simple, but God knows we need more of that in sports these days. I happen to like everything they’ll be wearing, with the exception of the half-blue, half-white shirt which they’ll thankfully only be wearing for one game.

i liked the chocolate kit last year… THAT was a great color. i know theres no brown in our colors but its the 3rd kit i can be any color.

Hmmmm sp*rs, don’t seem to recall them being a football team.

C’MON YOU GUNNERS! LOL!

i piss on arsenal. althought i would give my kidney, actually both for henry.

It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

I have gone over this many times. Hockey sweaters were sweaters when they were made of wool. They are now made of polyester, and are referred to as “sweaters” or “jerseys” due to their polyester nature.

Both terms are completely acceptable. Why split hairs over a word that means the exact same thing to hockey fans everywhere? I am a traditionalist when it comes to hockey, but I call them jerseys because they are no longer sweaters in the sense of a wool sweater. They don’t fit like a wool sweater. They don’t feel like a wool sweater. They don’t keep you warm like a wool sweater.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.


I’m sorry I disagree, and so do most Canadians. It’s called a sweater and will always be regardless of what material it is made of. I we were to follow your logic then hockey fans could call a goal tender a goal keeper. Just because other sports call it a jersey doesn’t mean it’s correct to call a hockey sweater that.

As a Canadian, I think jersey is fine.

read the Angelos interview. amazing. this guy is complaining that his ticket price is lower than boston’s and thats why he can’t compete.

he says that he’s got 46,000 seats at $22 and the red sox have 36,000 at $45 average ticket price…

idiot. if the Red Sox had 46,000 seats there’s no way they could get away w/ a super high average ticket price. its supply and demand. there’s very little demand for Orioles tix (except from NY and Boston fans) so they can’t charge a lot. The red sox have sold out over 300 games in a row. they can charge whatever they want as long as they win or are competitive.

angelos is not a good owner. proven, again and again.

he did talk about maybe changing the uniforms of the orioles, though, and that’d be cool. i love the old smiling penguinish oriole.

I was at the Terps/Florida State basketball game last season @ UM. Cal Ripken and Steve Biscotti were sitting together, courtside…I’ve seen them hanging out on several occasions, catching a Ravens game, Terps game, golfing…It would be AWESOME if they were working on coming up with a buy-out for Angelos. If Cal owned the Os…oh, man. Forgetaboutit!

You want to charge $45 for ticket fine–I’ll gladly pay it when we have a team that consistantly wins, participates in the playoffs, and just basically keeps me exicted and not looking forward to football season by mid May/early June. It has nothing to do with the size of the venue; if Fenway Park held 60,000 they would probably still be selling out and be able to charge whatever they want because they put a quality product on the field–hell, the Boston fans travel to Baltimore every series and practially sell out our ballpark. Considering the cost of travel and accomidations, that has to cost more than $45.

Angelos seems to have the whole “chicken and the egg” thing confused–they [the Orioles] MUST do something to produce a product that fans want to see! That’s how you get asses in the seats!–don’t give me “if we had more ticket revenue, then we could afford a better team”. Even if that’s true, it’s doesn’t work that way.

“If you build it, they will come.” Not, “If people come, you should build it.”

If the Baltimore fans want a uni change (and trust me, this isn’t just a wish by few uni enthusiasts), it’s the least they can do as an organization to show fans that thier support is appreciated.

whats the complaint with the spurs kits from this year? the yellow is class, the white is class, the 1886 one is class, i dont particularly like the navy one, but 3 out of 4 aint bad. they all are inspired/copies of kits in years past. can be mad about that.

besides, its not like we chose the color of our rival. now what idiot club would do somthing like that?

Do you call sweatshirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call long-sleeved T-shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call button-up shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of cotton and polyester and fit like a sweater.

My opinion is not right, nor have I ever said it was. My opinion is just that: an opinion.

In fact, I’ll even carry this farther. Do you know why they are called sweaters in the first place? It’s not because they’re made of wool. If you don’t know why they are/were called sweaters, should you be endorsing the word?

“Le chandail de hockey” should be enough to get you started. The French never had a word for “jersey”. Since “le chandail” translates into English as “the sweater”, the hockey sweater was born. Technically, unless you’re French, you don’t wear a hockey sweater, but I digress. Since the birthplace of hockey has been designated as Windsor, Nova Scotia (originally a French settlement named Pesaquid), would the term “le chandail de hockey” carry across the ocean with the French settlers? Presumably, the name of
today’s hockey has also French roots because ‘hoquet’ is the French term for a shepherd’s curved stick used in the Middle Ages. The Irish called the game “hockie”… which looks quite a bit like today’s word for the game, and resembles the French word as well.

As it is with most English words, we got lazy and stole the phrase and words from another language.

Do you call sweatshirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call long-sleeved T-shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call button-up shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of cotton and polyester and fit like a sweater.

My opinion is not right, nor have I ever said it was. My opinion is just that: an opinion.

In fact, I’ll even carry this farther. Do you know why they are called sweaters in the first place? It’s not because they’re made of wool. If you don’t know why they are/were called sweaters, should you be endorsing the word?

“Le chandail de hockey” should be enough to get you started. The French never had a word for “jersey”. Since “le chandail” translates into English as “the sweater”, the hockey sweater was born. Technically, unless you’re French, you don’t wear a hockey sweater, but I digress. Since the birthplace of hockey has been designated as Windsor, Nova Scotia (originally a French settlement named Pesaquid), would the term “le chandail de hockey” carry across the ocean with the French settlers? Presumably, the name of
today’s hockey has also French roots because ‘hoquet’ is the French term for a shepherd’s curved stick used in the Middle Ages. The Irish called the game “hockie”… which looks quite a bit like today’s word for the game, and resembles the French word as well.

As it is with most English words, we got lazy and stole the phrase and words from another language.

In other words, most Canadians probably don’t care one way or the other.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.

I’m sorry I disagree, and so do most Canadians. It’s called a sweater and will always be regardless of what material it is made of. I we were to follow your logic then hockey fans could call a goal tender a goal keeper. Just because other sports call it a jersey doesn’t mean it’s correct to call a hockey sweater that.

Oooh, Teebz - he is questioning your Canadian-ness. Clearly he has never heard you say “pokecheck.”

We had this argument on Saturday’s Open Thread. I considered quoting myself from that discussion, but I will refrain. Fact is, both terms are acceptable. “Sweater” is a more traditional term, but no more correct than jersey. It is a matter of preference. Finally, it is interesting to note that the NHL Rulebook (rule 9.3 and 9.4) refers to it as a “jersey.”

And that the NHL website store calls themjerseys as well (top left link)

http://shop.nhl.com/...

It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

I have gone over this many times. Hockey sweaters were sweaters when they were made of wool. They are now made of polyester, and are referred to as “sweaters” or “jerseys” due to their polyester nature.

Both terms are completely acceptable. Why split hairs over a word that means the exact same thing to hockey fans everywhere? I am a traditionalist when it comes to hockey, but I call them jerseys because they are no longer sweaters in the sense of a wool sweater. They don’t fit like a wool sweater. They don’t feel like a wool sweater. They don’t keep you warm like a wool sweater.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.


I’m sorry I disagree, and so do most Canadians. It’s called a sweater and will always be regardless of what material it is made of. I we were to follow your logic then hockey fans could call a goal tender a goal keeper. Just because other sports call it a jersey doesn’t mean it’s correct to call a hockey sweater that.

Um, I am a Canadian, and if you own polyester sweaters, that’s your business. Are you willing to speak on behalf of “most Canadians” because I’m going to say that “most Canadians” wouldn’t care one way or another.

Do you call sweatshirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call long-sleeved T-shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of polyester and fit like a sweater. Do you call button-up shirts “sweaters”? They’re made of cotton and polyester and fit like a sweater.

My opinion is not right, nor have I ever said it was. My opinion is just that: an opinion.


When I go home to Mississauga I never hear anyone say jersey. Yes I realize that it is not technically a sweater anymore. But it is correct and traditional to say sweater and not jersey. And it will always be that way, even when those silly new Reebok things come out next year.

I think the sp*rs brown kit was very appropriate, crap color for a crap team.

Anyways, in hockey I usually say sweater but may also use jersey, I agree with Teebz. In hockey it is called a goaltender or goalie in football it is always a goalkeeper.

whats the complaint with the spurs kits from this year? the yellow is class, the white is class, the 1886 one is class, i dont particularly like the navy one, but 3 out of 4 aint bad. they all are inspired/copies of kits in years past. can be mad about that.

besides, its not like we chose the color of our rival. now what idiot club would do somthing like that?

navy lovely. white looks like a t shirt with screen print (but i’ll deal), yellow looks like a banana kit, and i know the blue and white is tradition and its only going to be worn once… but are you fing kidding me!? that thing is fugly.

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Don Cherry on during the Intermission of last nights Ottawa v. Anaheimm game was amazing. He was calling out NBC and the NHL during an NBC broadcast of an NHL game! Awesome!

Even more amazing than Don’s pledge for keeping Fighting in Hockey, was how far Brett Hull had his nose up Don Cherrys ass. He was like a giggling school girl. They really need to have Don Cherry on more U.S. game broadcasts.

Also, Michal Iriving is the black american Don Cherry not the other way around. Hell, Michael Iriving is more suited as the black american Barry Melrose.

By the way, I didn’t mean to come across as condescending in my history lesson there.

Marty Met, I apologize to you as it sounds like I did. This community is a great one, and I’d never want to sound like “Mr. Know-It-All”. I apologize profusely for my written tone. It was never meant to be that way.

Are we cool? Sweater vs. jersey? I’m cool with both. :o)

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

This place got real quiet real fast.

speaking of hockey, is it me or do the Duck’s and Sen’s jerseys have the hugest numerals in the history of ever?


It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

“Kit” or “Strip” refers to the FULL soccer uniform—Shirt, shorts and Socks. When you go to the store, you buy the replica shirt. They also sell the replica kit for kids as one package, or you can build your own full kit.

Here’s a little tidbit on changing jersey numbers in the NBA……

The NBA jersey change rule requires players who are not changing teams and who wish to change numbers at will to have their current number for a period of four seasons or longer and inform the league more than six months in advance.

What happens when a younger guy who’s been in the league for three years or less wants to offer his number to a veteran who’s joining the team? He can’t do it?

This seems a little unusual. In the NBA there are no bizarre numbers as long as you stay with the “no digit over 5″ rule (not like in baseball, where an implementation of this rule would mean that rookies called up late in the year would be stuck with their 57s and 61s), so I guess they’re just doing it to stop teams giving stars new numbers suddenly so that they can sell new jerseys.

Have to give a shout-out to Barry Zito, who always wears his uniform properly, including the high socks.

The socks are fine, but for Zito to truly wear is uniform properly, he needs to subtract at least 26 from that monstrosity on his back!

Mark in Shiga, I think the operative phrase is at will–meaning, for no apparent reason. I am willing to bet trading with a weteran is ok. I highly doubt the NBA would do anything to put the kibosh on more income.

As for the whole hockey jersey vs. hockey sweater debate, I’ve taken to using this: hockey sweater/jersey, thereby either pacifying or pissing off both sides.

Boy, Teebz, you sure know how to clear a room! Kidding. I found your hockey lesson fascinating.

Brian from S.I., thanks for the explanation of kit–that makes more sense than calling the shirt a kit.

Anyone have a game shot of Manny wearing the Oakely thumps last night? Looks to me in the reflection in that photo that it was in the dugout, not on the field. Too late to watch that game here on the east coast.

Paul… an idea for a column… I was watching a Pawtucket Red Sox-Columbus Clippers game on Thursday and noticed that the Clippers (formerly a Yankee farm team) have changed their logo to match with their current affiliation with the Washington Nationals. Many teams do this. The Portland Sea Dogs switched from Marlins colors to Red Sox Colors a few years back. All of the Yankees farm clubs (Tampa, Trenton, Scranton-Wilkes Barre, now have pinstriped uniforms.) It could be interesting to note some of the changes that have been made recently as teams have switched affiliations.

Boy, Teebz, you sure know how to clear a room! Kidding. I found your hockey lesson fascinating.

I’m taking that at face value. Why? Because a history lesson can be boring. See Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off as an example. ;o)

It seems like we have most folks using the correct soccer term of kit. So why do people INSIST on calling a hockey sweater a jersey. It’s called a sweater. Just ask Don Cherry

I have gone over this many times. Hockey sweaters were sweaters when they were made of wool. They are now made of polyester, and are referred to as “sweaters” or “jerseys” due to their polyester nature.

Both terms are completely acceptable. Why split hairs over a word that means the exact same thing to hockey fans everywhere? I am a traditionalist when it comes to hockey, but I call them jerseys because they are no longer sweaters in the sense of a wool sweater. They don’t fit like a wool sweater. They don’t feel like a wool sweater. They don’t keep you warm like a wool sweater.

Honestly… sweater or jersey is like “toe-MATE-toe” or “toe-MAH-toe”. Neither is wrong.


I’m sorry I disagree, and so do most Canadians. It’s called a sweater and will always be regardless of what material it is made of. I we were to follow your logic then hockey fans could call a goal tender a goal keeper. Just because other sports call it a jersey doesn’t mean it’s correct to call a hockey sweater that.

I always just call them a goalie. Does that make me un-correct and thus not a true hockey fan? Because if it did, I would probably cry.

By the way, I didn’t mean to come across as condescending in my history lesson there.

Marty Met, I apologize to you as it sounds like I did. This community is a great one, and I’d never want to sound like “Mr. Know-It-All”. I apologize profusely for my written tone. It was never meant to be that way.

Are we cool? Sweater vs. jersey? I’m cool with both. :o)

We’re Cool. Thank You.

Boy, Teebz, you sure know how to clear a room! Kidding. I found your hockey lesson fascinating.

I’m taking that at face value. Why? Because a history lesson can be boring. See Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off as an example. ;o)

Teebz, as you know, I am never facetious. Ha! However, I was being truthful this time. I love learning things, which is one reason this is a great site.

By the way, I didn’t mean to come across as condescending in my history lesson there.

Marty Met, I apologize to you as it sounds like I did. This community is a great one, and I’d never want to sound like “Mr. Know-It-All”. I apologize profusely for my written tone. It was never meant to be that way.

Are we cool? Sweater vs. jersey? I’m cool with both. :o)

We’re Cool. Thank You.

You’re welcome. Glad to have another hockey lover onboard too. :o)

Boy, Teebz, you sure know how to clear a room! Kidding. I found your hockey lesson fascinating.

I’m taking that at face value. Why? Because a history lesson can be boring. See Ben Stein in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off as an example. ;o)

Teebz, as you know, I am never facetious. Ha! However, I was being truthful this time. I love learning things, which is one reason this is a great site.

I was just pulling your leg, Minna. Besides, I started the “Bueller” comment above a la Mr. Stein, so I thought I’d go full-circle with the joke.

It was definitely Len Kasper and Bob Brenly (note spelling). I watched the game. Pat Hughes works with Ron Santo on the radio and he does a daily uniform update, describing in detail what the players for both teams are wearing for the radio listeners in the early innings … “The Cubs are wearing their home white pinstriped tops with matching pants, blue shoes, blue caps and blue socks…”

Michael Kay, when he was on the radio for the Yankees used to do the same thing. Unfortuanetly, that, and any sense of dignity left with him after he moved to TV. I, just like many Yankees fans, will turn the radio back on once the Yankees fire Suzyn Waldman and/or John Sterling.

When Michael Kay first moved to TV, he called the games like he was still on the radio, with the uniform descriptions and all. In recent years, he stopped.

It still saddens me that the Yankees diluted their strong broadcasting team by separating Sterling and Kay. I think they should be reunited, even if its to host the “Batting Practice” show (which has very few minutes of actual batting practice).

It was definitely Len Kasper and Bob Brenly (note spelling). I watched the game. Pat Hughes works with Ron Santo on the radio and he does a daily uniform update, describing in detail what the players for both teams are wearing for the radio listeners in the early innings … “The Cubs are wearing their home white pinstriped tops with matching pants, blue shoes, blue caps and blue socks…”

Michael Kay, when he was on the radio for the Yankees used to do the same thing. Unfortuanetly, that, and any sense of dignity left with him after he moved to TV. I, just like many Yankees fans, will turn the radio back on once the Yankees fire Suzyn Waldman and/or John Sterling.

When Michael Kay first moved to TV, he called the games like he was still on the radio, with the uniform descriptions and all. In recent years, he stopped.

It still saddens me that the Yankees diluted their strong broadcasting team by separating Sterling and Kay. I think they should be reunited, even if its to host the “Batting Practice” show (which has very few minutes of actual batting practice).

Fire Suzyn Waldman?! OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! LOL!

I’m unclear on something: why do Yankees’ fans need to have their uniform described to them? It’s not like there is a plethora of alternate combos. I could see with the Cubs, because they could be sporting the blue alt. Or the White Sox since they have a jersey, vest and black alt.

I would think, if you’re a yanks’ fan, you know damn well what the team is wearing.

It was definitely Len Kasper and Bob Brenly (note spelling). I watched the game. Pat Hughes works with Ron Santo on the radio and he does a daily uniform update, describing in detail what the players for both teams are wearing for the radio listeners in the early innings … “The Cubs are wearing their home white pinstriped tops with matching pants, blue shoes, blue caps and blue socks…”

Michael Kay, when he was on the radio for the Yankees used to do the same thing. Unfortuanetly, that, and any sense of dignity left with him after he moved to TV. I, just like many Yankees fans, will turn the radio back on once the Yankees fire Suzyn Waldman and/or John Sterling.

When Michael Kay first moved to TV, he called the games like he was still on the radio, with the uniform descriptions and all. In recent years, he stopped.

It still saddens me that the Yankees diluted their strong broadcasting team by separating Sterling and Kay. I think they should be reunited, even if its to host the “Batting Practice” show (which has very few minutes of actual batting practice).

Fire Suzyn Waldman?! OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! LOL!

I’m unclear on something: why do Yankees’ fans need to have their uniform described to them? It’s not like there is a plethora of alternate combos. I could see with the Cubs, because they could be sporting the blue alt. Or the White Sox since they have a jersey, vest and black alt.

I would think, if you’re a yanks’ fan, you know damn well what the team is wearing.

Good point…but remember there is another team that probably has many options. Besides, it’s a great way to start a broadcast.

The Mariners use the same block font that the Mets use (different colors, of course, and no shadows) for both the names and numbers, so if you see a place that letters real Mets jerseys, they could probably do the Mariners too.

I had a blue Cubs road jersey as a kid and never looked into getting numbers on the back because I was worried that they’d use the dull block font and not the cool curved one that the Cubs actually use.

I was thinking about that, but then I thought about it some more, and remember seeing someone with a throwback Gary Carter jersey (from the 1986 team), and the back had the current Met font, with the dropshadow. If they can’t do their own throwbacks properly, then I’ll probably pass. I don’t want to give them the jersey and get back a Mariners jersey with orange and blue numbers with black dropshadows……

If I understand correctly, the Mets Clubhouse uses the people that stitch the Mets jerseys, so I’m thinking that they do Mets jerseys and colors only.

Not sure if this was mentioned already, but White Sox hitting coach Greg Walker was unable to attened Saturday’s game against the Blue Jays due to his daughter’s graduation. A.J. Pierzynski had the day off, and prior to the game declared himself the hitting coach for the day. He even borrowed Walker’s #29 jersey for at least some of the game.

No screenshots, but I’ll see what I can dig up.

Anyone have a game shot of Manny wearing the Oakely thumps last night? Looks to me in the reflection in that photo that it was in the dugout, not on the field. Too late to watch that game here on the east coast.

You’re right. That pic is on Yahoo Sports, and it says he “looks on”, so he’s clearly in the dugout.

ESPN’s homepage shows a good shot of the CoolBase jerseys. I would post the link but the filter no longer lets me post links. It gets really annoying.