[Editor's Note: Today's entry marks the blog debut of Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek. Please join me in congratulating him on his fine work. -- PL]
If you’ve been watching any of the Browns’ recent games, you may have noticed that many of the players were sporting sideline ponchos with the “Brownie the Elf” logo on the back.
Here at the Uni Watch Intern Department, we think they look particularly snazzy. So with Christmas fast approaching and elves holding a treasured and storied place in holiday lore, this seems like an appropriate time to take a deeper look at the history of the Brownie logo and its association with Cleveland football.
The story begins long before the Cleveland Browns adopted the little creature as their logo — long before the team even existed, in fact. “Brownies” date back to folklore, where they were elf-like creatures who helped out with household chores as long as you left them little goodies to eat (further background is available here, here, and here, and the cover illustration from a children’s tale entitled “Brownie and the Cook” can be seen here). Palmer Cox was one of the first artists to illustrate Brownie on a consistent basis in his cartoons. Here’s an example from an 1896 comic he produced for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Cox is also credited with being one of the first to realize the Brownies’ immense commercial appeal. He began drawing and using the elves in advertising work that he produced for different companies, including Kodak, Luden’s, and Brownie soda.
All of which brings us, finally, to the Cleveland Browns.
The association of the elf and the gridiron Browns begins in the late 1940s with Arthur McBride, who was the team’s owner at the time. During a string of four incredibly successful seasons from 1946-49 (each of which resulted in an All American Football Conference championship), McBride sought to make his team more recognizable and marketable with music, parades, marching bands, and so on. He also asked for submissions for mascot logos, and after careful consideration chose Brownie as the new face of the team.
Brownie got an update around 1950 and looked like this until 1969. Alternate logos included an orange elf from 1950-69, and a halfback elf from 1960-69. After the Browns won the NFL title in 1964 (yes, it was that long ago, Cleveland fans), Brownie was often depicted with a crown signifying the team’s achievement.
Even representatives from the Cleveland Browns are befuddled as to the exact origin, date, and key figures in the creation of the logo (which made its first appearance in an ad for tickets to the 1946 opening game against the Miami Seahawks). However, many of the earliest versions of the elf are credited to Dick Dugan, who became the sports cartoonist for the Cleveland Plain Dealer and often depicted Brownie in battle against the team’s opponents, like the Broncos and Redskins (although the scenarios he sketched took on a sort of gallows humor when the Browns stunk).
Cleveland fans loved the athletically inclined little creature with pointed shoes, whose image could be seen adorning various publications and advertisements (from both the team and the public), such as in this 1961 Browns schedule, and the 1949 Media Guide.
So, what do you do with a logo that the fans love?
Well, if you’re Art Modell, you get rid of it. Apparently, Modell, who became the team’s owner in 1961, was completely embarrassed by the elf and hated it so much that in the mid-1960s he began to phase it out. Yes, in addition to taking the team from Cleveland, Modell also was responsible for putting the lovable Brownie on the unemployment line.
Thankfully, when the Browns were resurrected in 1999, Brownie got a new lease on life. New owner Randy Lerner has made a big push to use the elf logo more and more for the organization. “I think it’s a great anchor for our tradition and for the look and feel of the Browns,” he has said. “But I also understand that there is something to freshening up the act, so I think that’s a balancing act we’re having right now.”
As you can see from the team’s sideline ponchos, the organization is using Brownie in more ways than just for merchandise sales (although it’s clearly evident from the hats and shirts and fleeces that there is a definite push in that direction too). In fact, the Browns have used the elf logo on the 2006 Training Camp Patch celebrating the franchise’s 60th anniversary, and a throwback elf logo appears on the front of their 2006 Media Guide (here’s a close-up view). Fans have embraced Brownie, too — one guy even put the elf on his RV, and another has gotten a more permanent reminder of his allegiances.
As many of you may have noticed in yesterday’s comment section, Ohio State QB Troy Smith was even seen reppin’ an elf throwback jacket at Tuesday night’s OSU basketball game.
While Brownie’s revival is welcome news, there’s one place that the elf should never appear (and thankfully, Lerner agrees). Paul Brown actually proposed this idea in 1953, but dismissed the idea after seeing mock-ups created by then trainer Leo Murphy. Good thing too, because the only thing that should ever be added to the team’s helmets are uniform numbers, like the ones the team wore with for its recent throwback game against the Bengals.
We’re generally pleased with Brownie’s reappearance. It adds a great traditional aspect to the team’s imagery, which meshes nicely with the more recent addition of the “Dawg” logo (but please, let’s not have them mesh like this or this, ideas that belong in the same graveyard as this one).
Three other Brownie items of note:
• Brownie was also pressed into mascot duty by the St. Louis Browns baseball team just prior to their move to Baltimore (where they became the Orioles). During this brief run, Brownie appeared on the team’s jersey sleeve, on the cover of the team’s 1952 schedule, and even on the door to owner Bill Veeck’s office.
• “Elf Brownie” is also the name of a typeface.
• Need a last-minute Christmas gift? Live near northeastern Ohio? You can get plenty of Brownie-related merchandise at the GPS Gift Gallery in Rocky River, Ohio, the self-proclaimed “Home of the Brownie Elf.”
Meanwhile, as far as the logos and designs of sideline ponchos go, the Uni Watch Intern Department and a group of elves will be working earnestly on this topic in the coming weeks, so stay tuned.
#1 by Miguel on 12.21.06 8:50 am |
Very impressive!
Keep up the great work, Vince
#2 by Brian W on 12.21.06 8:56 am |
Well done, Vince!
I love the Brownie logo. I ALMOST wish I could sport one in public, but as a Steeler fan, that’s just not possible.
#3 by My name is not Earl on 12.21.06 8:58 am |
In light of the uproar over the Wisconsin logo, a school in the New Orleans area had better hope that the Tar Heels don’t find out about the logo they’ve been using.
http://www.nola.com/...
#4 by Cathy on 12.21.06 9:02 am |
Nice Job. I’m a Redskins fan, but love the throwback jacket Troy Smith is wearing…I’d wear that anyday!
#5 by Ed on 12.21.06 9:03 am |
Excellent job, Vince – and best wishes from a Cleveland area native.
ed
#6 by Frank on 12.21.06 9:05 am |
I love the return of traditional sideline ponchos, and the Brownie logo is a great symbol. Lots of history.
#7 by Tim on 12.21.06 9:14 am |
Just visited GPS last night and got some Brownie items for Xmas gifts.
#8 by Stan The Man on 12.21.06 9:14 am |
The Cleveland Browns have done a great service to all of competative sports by returing to their roots…such tradition and history in seeing “Brownie” returned to the sidelines!!! If only the rest of the NFL would pay homage to their past and return to “classic” uniforms, and get rid of the “modern” crap that I see in NFL games…(Vikings, Cardinals, Broncos, Patriots, Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, any of the newer teams…are you listneing???)
Great site, as always, and a Merry Christmas to my fellow Uniform Fanatics in cyberspace!!!
#9 by redhotfro on 12.21.06 9:17 am |
Good work Vince.
#10 by Richard on 12.21.06 9:18 am |
Not bad for your first post, Intern. Keep up the good work, and maybe Paul will let you inform us some more.
#11 by Kel on 12.21.06 9:19 am |
Great work, Vince. :) I actually found the hsitory lesson fascinating, and I don’t even like Cleveland. (I’m a die-hard Steelers fan, so while I will eat brownies, I will not wear them!)
I do hope they never put the elf on the helmet though. That would put the Browns at an unfair advantage, as they could easily score while the other teams were laughing at them!
#12 by Jeff on 12.21.06 9:21 am |
Great post, Vince. You’ll shed that “intern” label in no time.
#13 by Timmy B on 12.21.06 9:25 am |
GREAT work, Vince! Maybe we’ll bump into you with the other 20,000 or so who actually make it down this Sunday.
HERE WE GO BROWNIES, HERE WE GO! WOOF! WOOF!
#14 by Rich on 12.21.06 9:26 am |
Those St. Louis Brownies look like some sort of space aliens…
#15 by DJL on 12.21.06 9:28 am |
Nice job Vince. Now all we have to do is finagle discounts at GPS Gift Gallery for all the free publicity. Those cornhole sets they have are pretty expensive.
Also, alums of the west side all-boys Catholic high schools will be happy to know they have plenty of St. Ed’s and St. Ignatius gear.
#16 by Clevo on 12.21.06 9:28 am |
Nice one Vince. The Brownie is one of those things, that growing up in Cleveland I always wondered about and never sat down to research it.
I will go on record and state that I absolutely hate the dog logo. I was so glad that they don’t have them in the endzones anymore. (related note: how great do the script logos look in the endzones? I hope they stick with those)
This is all coming from someone that hasnt cared about the NFL since the Browns bolted for Baltimore, but I will always love those orange and brown unis.
#17 by Andy on 12.21.06 9:31 am |
NICE write up!!!!! VINCE!!!! You ROCK like Kiss on the ‘Hotter than hell’ tour in 74!!!!!
#18 by tessa on 12.21.06 9:36 am |
An interesting subject, and well written. Thanks for the information. And thanks to Paul for putting himself at risk to be Wally Pipped. I hope to hear more from the Intern Department soon!
#19 by Dave on 12.21.06 9:38 am |
Browns alternate all-brown pants (see this year’s Madden alternate uni which is baed on NFL uniform catalog) have Brownie Elf on each hip. . . .although the team isn’t planning on wearing them.
#20 by Pat on 12.21.06 9:40 am |
I gotta say, I really don’t like that dog logo all that much. Give that one up and bring back the Brownie full time. What does the dog have to do with the Browns anyway? Doesn’t make all that much sense.
#21 by Pittsburgh Gunny on 12.21.06 9:41 am |
Great article Vince and I don’t even follow the NFL!
#22 by jam on 12.21.06 9:41 am |
Am I the only one that thinks that elf looks incredibly stupid. The elf needs work.
#23 by Stuby on 12.21.06 9:44 am |
Good job Vince.
With all the Iverson footage being shown over the past few weeks, I was reminded of how bad some of the Sixers unis have been over the past 15 years. The exception was the kit from 1994-97 here. The white home unis (not shown) looked really sharp.
I never got why they went away from these after such a short time.
#24 by Kenny on 12.21.06 9:47 am |
Very solid first post…good history on the elves and their connection
I’m actually surpised how many people don’t like the dog logo…isn’t it used all over in Cleveland?
NOW GO GET ME SOME COFFEE INTERN!!!!!
#25 by Lou on 12.21.06 9:48 am |
Excellent job. I always liked Brownie. I always thought the baseball team used him first; never realized it was the other way around. Excellent history lesson!
#26 by Kenny on 12.21.06 9:49 am |
Stuby said:
This and this are my favorite Sixers unis
#27 by DJL on 12.21.06 9:51 am |
Clevo said:
I agree wholeheartedly. The logo was nothing more than a bullshit way to capitalize on the new, about-as-rowdy-as-the-doctor’s-office “Dawg Pound.” While the dog logo linked to by Vince wasn’t that bad, the first “Dawg Pound” logo was absolutely fugly. As was the football “B” logo.
The marketing team was trying way too hard to find a logo. Thankfully, they went back to the Brownie.
#28 by Matt B on 12.21.06 9:56 am |
As you can see from the team’s sideline ponchos….
Are those Sears ponchos or are they Mexican ponchos?
#29 by BtotheE on 12.21.06 10:02 am |
jam said:
I agree.
#30 by AMS on 12.21.06 10:06 am |
I love the Brownie logo. I ALMOST wish I could sport one in public, but as a Steeler fan, that’s just not possible.
I wholeheartedly concur with this sentiment. I saw that t-shirt, and thought about it for just a second… Old football logos are often great, including the old Steelers logo of the steelworker punting. Nice stuff.
#31 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 10:09 am |
I know you’re a Browns fan, but I have to use the Colts reference because it’s appropriate. If Paul is our Peyton Manning, nice to see that Vince is his Marvin Harrison – the guy he can faithfully throw it to knowing that the ball won’t be dropped. Excellent work Vince. As someone who has been to Cleveland on business a few times, I have always enjoyed my experiences there. I have seen the new stadium (during off season) and it really is nice. I like Brownie as a logo – but I agree not to put him on the helmets. That would be like Notre Dame putting the pugilistic leprechaun on the helmets.
(Minna – pugilistic is for your vocabulary builder today!!)
#32 by Paul Lukas on 12.21.06 10:13 am |
Dave said:
No they don’t. Maybe they do in Madden, but not in the official NFL style guide.
#33 by Robert on 12.21.06 10:26 am |
Stan The Man said:
I wholeheartedly agree.
Awesome job, Vince. Long live Brownie.
#34 by Mark on 12.21.06 10:32 am |
vince,
from a life-long Bengals fan and Browns hater, excellent article!
#35 by Shane on 12.21.06 10:35 am |
Well done, Vince! Those old cartoons are great.
#36 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 10:37 am |
I love the Browns, they ain’t my favorite, but I love’em. They got a swift kick in the nuts when buddy moved them out of town to Baltimore (which by the way, should’ve been named different than the Ravens, I would’ve picked the Stallions, just cause of the old Baltimore Colts). But you don’t just move a tradition based team, in pretty well where football is a religion. Depressingly, doesn’t look too good for another town based on hockey tradition, with #66 making the Penguinsa legendary team in the NHL.
#37 by Kim on 12.21.06 10:38 am |
Not to get off track from the great Brownie story, but there was some interesting NHL equipment info in last night’s Red Wings/Blue Jackets game.
Columbus goalie Fredrik Norrena started the game with this stick. Notice the blue butt end (the wad of tape at the top of the stick). This picture is from the Dec 18th game, I can’t find one from the 20th.
He was then told to switch to this, the TSN broadcast explained that the rules stipulate that a goaltender can only have a white butt on his stick. To avoid any confusion for the goal judge of any black circular object that may enter the net.
#38 by John in Athens on 12.21.06 10:39 am |
Nice job!
Although the title reminded me of an unfortunate incident involving those brownies, the Dead, and an added ingredient at Bonnaroo a few years ago…
#39 by Teebz on 12.21.06 10:42 am |
Broker75 said:
The “Baltimore Stallions” name is owned by the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes. The CFL had a huge battle with the Indianapolis Colts over being called the Baltimore Colts when the CFL set up shop in Baltimore. It was settled when the owners of the Baltimore CFL franchise backed off the “Colts” name and went to the Stallions. Years later, the Stallions would leave town and move to Montreal where they became the Alouettes.
As for the Penguins, nothing is known about their future for another 4-6 weeks. The Island of Capri can file an appeal. I wouldn’t write off the NHL in Pittsburgh yet. I have a feeling that Bettman and Cuban/Marino may end up with a deal.
#40 by Seth H on 12.21.06 10:45 am |
A post from late yesterday mentioned the facemasks in this photo: http://sportsillustr...
The facemasks are impressive. Note that there are two different types, plus a goalie mask. But there are also many other items of interest in the picture.
1) When I first saw it, I wondered why the US Women’s team was playing a team from “McDonalds.” Talk about logo creep! You have to look carefully to see that it is the Japan national team. The Japanese flag is clearly secondary to the advertisement and is about the same size as the uni manufacturer logo.
2) Note the numbers on the shorts/skirts of the teams.
3) Armbands around biceps.
4) Some of the women are wearing earrings and/or bracelets.
Much of this is clearer in the two page spread in the magazine.
#41 by Teebz on 12.21.06 10:47 am |
Kim said:
Good call on that, Kim. I watched that game last night, and here is the wording of the rule:
“Rule 19 – Sticks
a) The sticks shall be made of wood or other material approved by the Rules Committee, and must not have any projections. Adhesive tape of any color may be wrapped around the stick at any place for the purpose of reinforcement or to improve control of the puck. In the case of a goalkeeper’s stick, there shall be a knob of white tape or some other protective material approved by the League. This knob must not be less than one-half inch (1/2″) thick at the top of the shaft.
Failure to comply with this provision of the Rule will result in the goalkeeper’s stick being deemed unfit for play. The goalkeeper’s stick must be changed without the application of a minor penalty.”
I assume that Norrena hadn’t got league approval for the blue tape, thus forcing the officials to make him switch sticks.
#42 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 10:51 am |
Teebz said:
Let’s just say the Pens are done in Pittsburgh (hypothetically of course)…where are they moving to? I keep hearing Kansas City and Houston…with Las Vegas as a long shot. Teebz, and other puckheads, give me your ideal team names for all those locations.
Kansas City – got to go back to tradition and use Scouts, but with the Native American inference, I doubt they’d do that.
Houston – If it weren’t for Edmonton, I’d go with Oilers…but that ain’t happening either. I have a tough time with Houston
Las Vegas – I’d go with the High Rollers – but I’m an idiot.
#43 by Vince Grzegorek on 12.21.06 10:52 am |
Hey all-
Thanks for all the well wishes. I really appreciate it (and thanks to Paul for giving me the chance to write for the blog.)
Some notes…
1. I read on a message board somewhere that the Browns actually petitioned the NFL to create brown pants with the elf logo on each hip, but after Randy Lerner saw the mock-up he didn’t like it and ditched the idea (much like Paul Brown ditching the helmet idea.) However, that is all by way of hearsay.
2. The dog logo isn’t bad, but I wish they would have left it for the fans who showed up dressed like dogs and barked in the stands instead of making it an official alternate logo for the organization. Should have stayed a nickname in my opinion.
3. The updated dog logo (done in 2002) was actually designed by Paul’s friend Todd Radom who used his own bulldog as a model. There’s a Uni Watch interview with Todd in the espn archives.
4. The old cartoons were perhaps the most interesting thing for me to look through.
#44 by Feel the Steel on 12.21.06 10:54 am |
Great work. I feel the pain of the Steeler Fan in distress about actually liking a product of the city by the lake. However, the Steelers had a logo of a steel worker punting a ball on a beam, before they went to the current SteelMark logo with the hypocycloids.
#45 by Burrill on 12.21.06 10:55 am |
Teebz, you have an immeasurable wealth of knowledge. Seriously. I am constantly amazed.
Anyway, I hope you’re right about the Penguins staying in Pittsburgh. If they move, I will be severely bothered. I’m tired of franchises moving.
Also, on a different subject, this talk of Dawgs reminded me that I forgot to post the photo of Chelsea’s Top Gun-style warmups. I thought it was actually kind of a fun idea.
But it’s only recently that Chelsea has started calling its teams “Dawgs” and “Bulldawgs,” and I don’t really care for it.
#46 by Dave on 12.21.06 10:55 am |
When Cleveland got the Browns back in ‘99, the league supposedly designed a few different sets of new uniforms for them. The Browns of course said no to all and went with the traditional look.
Does anyone have any info or pics of what those “other” uniforms looked like?
#47 by Pittsburgh Gunny on 12.21.06 10:58 am |
Teebz said:
The Penguins sadly are now done in Pittsburgh, I have zero faith in any “Plan B’ put together by the crooked politicians. The Pirates got their new stadium even though they have no intention of ever being competitive ever again and the Steelers, who could have paid for their own new stadium and didn’t even need one, got their’s, so the Pens get screwed and the only team I care about in this crappy town is now going to leave, nuts.
#48 by Kim on 12.21.06 11:01 am |
Teebz said:
Something like that is rarely noticed by the officials, it’s usually called to thier attention.
I’d bet the Wings mentioned it at some point. Especially since they had played just two days before, and were likely looking at game video.
#49 by Teebz on 12.21.06 11:04 am |
Banker Bill said:
Las Vegas didn’t work for the IHL, and it certainly wouldn’t work for an NHL team, so I’m not even considering it. People don’t go to Las Vegas to watch a hockey game, and there are strict rules on gambling on LV-based teams. Las Vegas is a bad idea.
Houston has a long tradition of hockey thanks to their WHA days as the Aeros. The IHL and AHL have come along as picked up the city of Houston, and even expanded the market with teams in Dallas (Stars), San Antonio (Rampage – AHL), Fort Worth (Brahmas – CHL, who have suspended operations this season), and a pile of other teams. Another NHL team in Texas isn’t a good idea, especially when it comes to dealing with Tom Hicks.
If you move Pittsburgh to Kansas City, you have to go to the name of Scouts. If they have the Chiefs, they can have the Scouts. Kansas City is practically chomping at the bit to get a team due to their new arena. The problem is that one of Nashville or Columbus then has to move to the Eastern Conference, and there has to be juggling thanks to Pittsburgh’s Atlantic division placement. Nashville could work as an Southeast division team, and move Washington to the Atlantic division, but shuffling teams is bad for business with their current scheduling system.
Honestly, leaving the team in Pittsburgh is good for Pittsburgh, good for the NHL, and good for hockey in general. Pittsburgh has great rivalries with Washington, New Jersey, Philly, NYR, and the NYI. Trying to develop a rivalry between Dallas-Kansas City or KC-St. Louis would take years to do.
#50 by Teebz on 12.21.06 11:10 am |
Kim said:
That may be the case. Scotty Bowman was famous for noticing little things to throw a player off. Mike Babcock is the same style of coach. I wouldn’t doubt that he noticed it on game film. And clearly, it worked in throwing Norrena off his game. :o)
#51 by Dave on 12.21.06 11:24 am |
Paul Lukas said:
Righto. . . but per my inside source, the Brownie Elf was going to be handstitched on each hip.
#52 by Jeremy on 12.21.06 11:24 am |
Awsome Job Vince!!! It sounds like you have been doing this for awhile. Even though I am a Steelers fan I can still appreciate the history of one of our rivals. I am definitally looking foward to another article from the uniwatch intern department.
#53 by Matt on 12.21.06 11:25 am |
if the Penguins move to Houston take the AHL name of the Aeros…
hopefully they will stay in Pittsburgh though…
#54 by Kevin from Ohio in Virginia on 12.21.06 11:27 am |
Vince,
Great job! Of course, that is to be expected – you are a Clevelander, and Clevelanders are good at everything… except professional sports.
I too wish the “Dawg” logo would go away. “Big Dawg” and the other knuckleheads in the Pound should have been where it ended.
Any word on if the Browns will sport the brown pants in the course of the last two weeks of the season? I’m waiting to pass judgment until I see them on the field.
#55 by Shane on 12.21.06 11:29 am |
Move ‘em to Hartford! I may be a Bruins fan, but I miss the Whalers.
#56 by Phil on 12.21.06 11:30 am |
Teebz,
Don’t worry about Nashville or Columbus, move the Red Wings back to the East. They need to play Toronto more than once a year, and avoid those early round playoff trips to Edmonton and San Jose.
#57 by Teebz on 12.21.06 11:35 am |
Phil said:
You lose out on the Colorado-Detroit rivalry then. Since they would only play against each other once a year, that’s a rivalry they can’t miss out on. Besides, do I really want to watch Detroit hammer Toronto every fourth weekend on Hokcey Night in Canada? :o)
#58 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 11:39 am |
eh Teebz. i forgot to thank’ya for yestaday
Tim Horton
#59 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 11:43 am |
Shane said:
I love the idea – but the Whalers name will never come back – and Hartford has done very well with their AHL team – plus the Wolf Pack have a great logo!
I too dismissed Las Vegas instantly – but I keep hearing it, so I thought I’d mention it. I agree another team in Texas isn’t a great idea (The only ice there is in the drinks!)
I hope they stay in Pittsburgh honestly. The Penguin is a great name. If they do go to KC, the re-alignment would be a major pain, but I’d definitely do the Caps to the Atlantic (as a Ranger fan, I’d get to see Ovechkin more).
ESPN had a great article on other teams that need to move before the Pens…they mentioned the Panthers, the Preds, and the Caps…all based on lousy attendance figures. It’s a good read.
#60 by Burrill on 12.21.06 11:44 am |
Teebz said:
It seems like the Colorado/Detroit rivalry has died down quite a bit the last few years. At least that’s what it feels like to me. It was a serious frenzy around the whole Draper/Lemieux incident, but I haven’t felt that much of a frenzy in a while.
But since I don’t have my finger on the pulse of the NHL, I may just be missing it.
#61 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 11:44 am |
jam said:
WHAT?! ehhh, come on now
#62 by KP on 12.21.06 11:46 am |
Forewarning for everyone watching the Las Vegas Bowl tonight: source tells me the Ducks will be wearing their black unis with the yellow helmets.
#63 by Stuby on 12.21.06 11:50 am |
KP said:
So, they’re going to look like the Colorado Buffs?
BRILLIANT!
#64 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 11:52 am |
Kim said:
kewl
#65 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 11:55 am |
Teebz said:
I thought the CFL owned the rights to the team, but wasn’t sure, huh.. Baltimore should’ve cut a cheque to the league for the Stallions name.
#66 by Matty L. on 12.21.06 11:56 am |
On the
Teebz said:
“Years later” isn’t that accurate of a term, if my memory serves me correctly the Baltimore FC/CFLers/Stallions only existed for something like 2 seasons…along with the rest of the terrible US expansion.
#67 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 11:58 am |
Teebz said:
bloody well hope they do, Pittsburgh without the Penguins?, come on. but hey, Cleveland was without the Browns. It’s almost like, who gives a shit about the fans, geez.
#68 by Kerry on 12.21.06 11:58 am |
Great job today Vince. I LOVE hearing the history behind these teams and their logos. I’m really glad that so many sports teams are starting to embrace their older logos, they had so much more character than today’s logos created by some marketing firm 1,000 miles away.
Also, it made me think about THIS OLD SAINTS LOGO that seems to be making a comeback!
Good Stuff!!!
#69 by Jerry on 12.21.06 11:59 am |
Teebz said:
Milwaukee is also a possibility
#70 by Pat on 12.21.06 11:59 am |
By the way, after looking through SIs “This Year’s Most Interesting Pictures” gallery I decided that I wanted to nominate this photo as Uniwatch photo of the year. Did Djay Jones take Tyler Grisham’s head off? Was it because of his uniform? As a devoted uniwatcher I say yes.
#71 by anthony giaccone on 12.21.06 12:02 pm |
Great article.
As a graduate of the school of visual arts and a big sports uniform fanatic, it was great to read a comprehensive story about one of the more unusual – yet fitting – sports logos in American popular culture.
I would love to see more stories about franchise logos, their histories, and where they came from.
Happy Holidays
#72 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:02 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Nice, Banker B. I’m throwing in bellicose and pugnacious. Great job, Vince the Intern. Erudite and enlightening.
#73 by Stuby on 12.21.06 12:04 pm |
Pat said:
I see those weird knee bands everywhere in sports. Even see them on arms sometimes. What the heck is the purpose?
Nice, i guess that he got them color coded to that Clemson monstrosity.
#74 by Kerry on 12.21.06 12:04 pm |
Kerry said:
Here’s a BETTER LOOK at the old Saints logo.
#75 by Dane on 12.21.06 12:06 pm |
Great job, Vince. Yet another Steeler fan who hates all things Cleveland, but it was a well-written, well-researched article.
And who’s this “Paul” guy that keeps getting mentioned? It’s Vince’s site now, right? (smirk)
The problem with the Penguins moving to KC/LV/Hou is the lack of any potential buyers from those markets. The only two buyers on the radar are (1) Cuban/Marino and (2) Steelhead Brewery in Canada. Group 1 has obvious Pittsburgh ties, and and Group 2 has stated the team belongs in Pittsburgh.
If they do move, I hope there is a name change and the black/gold Penguins sweaters get mothballed before they ever become RBK form-fitting disasters.
T minus 8 hours to flaming Oregon helmets. Hope it’s in HD.
#76 by Essteess on 12.21.06 12:12 pm |
Is Brownie any relation to Coily the Spring Sprite?
#77 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 12:14 pm |
Regarding the Penguins potential move, as a current KC resident, I’d love it if they moved here. I grew up in Boston loving the Bruins, and it would be great to catch some hockey here. I work a couple of blocks from the sprint center site, and it’s gonna be a nice venue, and with other entertainment going up in the immediate area surrounding the arena, I think the penguins would do well here.
#78 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:14 pm |
Banker Bill said:
KC KFC
Las Vegas Showgirls/Gamblers
Houston Steers/Shotguns
M. Scrooge, puckhead-in-training
#79 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:24 pm |
Better yet, how about the Penguins move to MN and become the North Stars reincarnated? That would be nirvana.
And that should be the KC KFCs in my last post.
#80 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 12:29 pm |
T minus 8 hours to flaming Oregon helmets. Hope it’s in HD
I’ll tune in just to see – it’s kind of like when the “Faces of Death” videos first came out – you had to see a little of them even though you knew it would scar you for life.
#81 by Big Green on 12.21.06 12:30 pm |
I was browsing through the photo gallery of VY on ESPN.com, and noticed that Vince can’t seem to make up his mind about how he wants to wear his sleeves. In college, he clearly wore the elastic style sleeve.
#82 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 12:31 pm |
Minna H. said:
As long as Dallas is still the Stars, that sadly will never happen. I always thought Dallas should go with the Lone Stars, team with the Cowboys and use a blue and silver uni. Not enough of a difference for merchandising I know, but MAN I miss the North Stars…and the Nordiques…and even the Winnipeg Jets.
#83 by Metsfan AZ on 12.21.06 12:32 pm |
Minna H. said:
And slyly sliding in “erudite”. I honestly have to look that up. I’m asking U of A for my money back.
#84 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:37 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Sigh. I know. I agree that Dallas should be the Lone Stars if anything.
You know how I feel about the North Stars? It’s like the true love who got away. I have a hot new boyfriend (the Wild!) whom I love dearly, but I would dump him in a second if my old boyfriend (the North Stars) came back to me. Sad, but true.
#85 by Original Jim on 12.21.06 12:37 pm |
Minna H. said:
I’m still stuck on decolletage from the other day…
:D
#86 by Jeremy on 12.21.06 12:40 pm |
stetson was wearing their green road uni’s at florida last night. i noticed that stetson had a white nameplate (with green letters) on their green uni. it looked terrible. it looked like they had just pulled the nameplate off the home white uni’s and put it their road uni’s.
#87 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:42 pm |
Metsfan AZ said:
MetsfanAZ, don’t feel bad about it. I used to read the dictionary (I’m not joking) when I was a kid. My brother said I informed him when I reached the letter ‘I’. I also read alot of real books, and I am happy to drop a little of my vocab skillz on my crew.
#88 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:46 pm |
Original Jim said:
Original Jim, yead, I bet you are. It’s a good word on which to be stuck, no? am reading third Soos’ baseball mystery book. The front cover is great with a pic of Wrigley back in the day and of lettering on the plackets. You were the one who read the series, right?
#89 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 12:48 pm |
Essteess said:
Noooooooo!
(What memories.)
#90 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 12:48 pm |
Minna H. said:
Kentucky Fried Chicken has nothing to do with Kansas City, Missouri. I’m confused about your team name suggestion…
#91 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:50 pm |
Minna H. said:
Sigh. What good does it do to have a big vocabulary when I can’t freaking type? Yeah, not yead.
#92 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 12:52 pm |
Phil Pereira said:
Phil, yeah, I know. I was just being snarky because the initials were close. Sorry for the confusion.
#93 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 12:57 pm |
Minna H. said:
Ah ok, my snarky detector isn’t working today lol
As for an actual KC team name, I really have no clue what would be good. There was a minor league team called the outlaws and I thought it was lame. Scouts is a cool name, but native american imagery is something that sort of bothers me. I’ll have to think this over lol
#94 by Stuby on 12.21.06 12:58 pm |
Minna H. said:
There has got to be a KC Masterpiece tie in somehow. BBQ colored jerseys, shoulder patches in the shape of soppin’ bread, etc.
#95 by Stuby on 12.21.06 12:59 pm |
Stuby said:
Even better…the KC Stengels!
#96 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:02 pm |
Original Jim said:
If you’re stuck on the decolletage, Minna needs to use different glitter. Besides, wasn’t it Jerry Seinfeld who said cleavage is a lot like direct sunlight – a quick glance now and again is OK, but if you stare right at it, you can cause yourself great harm.
I used to read the dictionary too Minna – that’s why I have a lot of fun with the English language.
#97 by Dave A on 12.21.06 1:02 pm |
Kerry said:
It looks like Snoopy wearing a Saints helmet.
#98 by Jay Palmer on 12.21.06 1:04 pm |
Let’s honor Buck, and all of the past players…
KC Monarchs.
#99 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:04 pm |
Stuby said:
That’s CLASSIC!! Post of the day!
#100 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:06 pm |
Jay Palmer said:
I love Buck – but I doubt he was much of a hockey player…and having the Kings and the Monarchs in the same conference – especially since Manchester (the Kings AHL team) is the Monarchs. Besides – I thought the original KC team was the Clowns in the Negro Leagues…or am I wrong?
#101 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 1:07 pm |
lol I was thinking BBQ theme, but the best BBQ that I’ve had locally is Arthur Bryant’s. If LA didn’t have the kings, that would be a cool name (I know there was an NBA kings here in KC before moving to CA). I have a feeling whatever they come up with will be lame, unless somehow we can start a grassroots effort to create and develop an identity for the team.
#102 by Dave A on 12.21.06 1:08 pm |
Stuby said:
I was going to go with the KC Sunshine Bands, but the Stengels is a brilliant suggestion!
#103 by Burrill on 12.21.06 1:08 pm |
Minna H. said:
Minna, my brother used to read encyclopedias when he was younger. (I’m not sure which letter he reached.) I can believe the dictionary thing. And really, there are many worse things to read.
Plus, a little more vocabulary is good for everybody.
#104 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 1:09 pm |
I really dont think calling the team the monarchs would honor the negro league players, it would be a disservice and capitalizing off a name they really couldn’t, if that makes any sense. But I haven’t lived in KC long enough to know what gives this town its identity
#105 by Tape on 12.21.06 1:09 pm |
Matt B said:
hm. no foolin’.
#106 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:09 pm |
Dave A said:
Equally brilliant (the Guiness commercial is in my head now).
Has to be some kind of “cat” name – so they can be nicknamed the Kansas City Kitties.
#107 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 1:11 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Kansas City Millionares / Houston Trappers
Las Vegas Scorpions or SandTraps or $Benjamins$ haha, this is fun
But the Penguins belong in Pitt. Florida’s gotta go. And bring back the WHALERS!
#108 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 1:15 pm |
Feel the Steel said:
Does the awesome Steeler logo represent something in the city of steel? just interested..
#109 by Burrill on 12.21.06 1:15 pm |
And all this talk of a KC hockey team name is all well and good, but here’s my question: what color scheme should a KC hockey team have? The same as the team’s former location, or a new look?
#110 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 1:16 pm |
Banker Bill said:
I have you hyp-motized! I used the darkest glitter I could find—a deep, purple/blue. Put some in my (black) hair, too, to make it all shiny.
Glad to know I am not alone in my love of words. Wait until you see the vocab builder I’ll be throwing at you tomorrow.
#111 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 1:20 pm |
Burrill said:
Burrill, your brother was more ambitious than I! I only wanted to learn new words. As for worse things to read—I have probably read those, too. I am a prolific reader with a voracious appetite.
#112 by John on 12.21.06 1:20 pm |
Broker75 said:
mmmmmmmm donuts….
#113 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 1:22 pm |
Kevin from Ohio in Virginia said:
The Browns helmet would look splendid with numbers on them,..just on one side though.
#114 by Andy from KC on 12.21.06 1:23 pm |
Phil Pereira said:
I agree with you about Bryant’s, and I sure wouldn’t pick KC Masterpiece as the franchise to name a team after, with their embezzling and bankruptcy and whatnot.
The only name I could think of to suggest was the KC Strip Steaks, but that has a rather, ah … homoerotic connotation. If (and it’s a big-ass “if”) KC gets a team, I’d either leave the Penguins name as-is or go back to the Scouts. Failing that … “the Stengels” sounds great to me!
#115 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 1:23 pm |
Burrill said:
It really depends on the name that is chosen I think. Now if we can come up with a cool name, we could develop a color scheme and look. It could be a fun uniwatch project. Whether ownership will even look at a public contribution is the big question.
#116 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 1:24 pm |
Phil said:
whoa, did I just read more Detroit Red Wings-Toronto Maple Leafs matchups? :-D, double whoa
#117 by Teebz on 12.21.06 1:24 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Since both Winnipeg and Quebec City are smaller than any of the current NHL cities. Hartford is in the same boat in terms of being a small market. Would it be nice to have a team back in Hartford? Yes. Will it happen? Not likely.
Before we get crazy with a naming convention and poll and a mascot design contest, let’s look at this rationally.
Kansas City is minutes away from Lawrence, Kansas, the home of the University of Kansas. I know in Nebraska that the largest “city” in Nebraskas is the Cornhuskers stadium when the Huskers play at home. Is it the same for Kansas football? More importantly, is it similar to Duke or North Carolina for basketball? If so, you’re pulling potentially 100,000 people away from pro hockey in Kansas City if they are as college-crazy as other fans seem to be.
Kansas City had an NHL team for 2 years in the 1970s. There was no support then. They had an IHL team from 1990-2001 that played in front of sparse crowds. Is it wise going back to a city where hockey seems to be an afterthought to most residents?
The Penguins belong in Pittsburgh where they average 14,000 per game in the hole known as Mellon Arena. They will get a new arena. At whose expense is all that needs to be decided.
#118 by Tape on 12.21.06 1:25 pm |
Shane said:
too bad the Hurricanes own (and have locked up in a vault) the rights to the Whalers name/logo/etc.
Hartford would go NUTS if they got the Whalers back. about a year ago, I was in a mall in West Hartford, and there was this guy walking around in a sweet kelly green satin Whalers jacket, Whalers cap and blue Whalers sweatpants. and a lot of other people wearing Whalers caps or t-shirts.
Hartford is a case of a city that really, really misses its team.
(probably because there’s nothing else in Hartford worth caring about)
#119 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 1:25 pm |
Teebz said:
Go Leafs Go!
#120 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 1:30 pm |
The KC Mississippi Rivers. Blue, white and silver.
The KC Calicos. Black, white and orange.
The KC Fountains (City of Fountains). Blue, white and silver.
The KC Heartbreakers (Heart of America). Red, white and orange.
The KC Stockers (known for stockyards). Brown, black and green.
#121 by dchis on 12.21.06 1:30 pm |
Banker Bill said:
The Kansas City Cheetah’s?? Could use the cheetos guy?
#122 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 1:31 pm |
Teebz,
I’ve only lived here a couple of years, so I have little to no room to comment on local culture. But I would definitely support the NHL here in KC. I work a few blocks away from the arena site and would definitely stroll over after work to catch a game, and I think a lot of downtown workers would, especially with the entertainment district being built around the arena. I’ve only been to Kemper once, but it’s in the middle of an industrial rundown area that wouldn’t attract anyone for regular games. I think a solid NHL franchise would do pretty well given the current circumstances of economic development in the city.
#123 by Mike on 12.21.06 1:32 pm |
I just hope the Brownie logo gets used in the propper context, that it’s just not thrown on stuff that looks modern and looks completely out of place.
Sort of like Mr. Redlegs with the Cincinnatti Reds unis. If the jerseys had an actual old school looking type face, then Mr. Redlegs would look good. But it’s too much of a mix of modern and old (the modern part is ruinning it) so it doesn’t look good.
#124 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 1:32 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Florida Panthers 100% for sure, Nashville’s building something in that state, and Washington!, geez, who is ruining that franchise?, need new ownership, the Capitals are as valuable to the NHL as the Penguins are. Wasn’t it Washington vs Pittsburgh that went like into 5 playoff OT’s like 10 or 15 years ago?, I know the Capitals were involved, but I’m not sure if it was the Penguins or not, maybe the Islanders?..You got the link to that article Banker Bill?
#125 by Tape on 12.21.06 1:35 pm |
Jerry said:
I am making this my new default non-sequiteur reply.
“In light of the recent tax cuts, do you believe abolishing the tolls on the bridges would be a good idea?”
“Milwaukee is also a possibility.”
#126 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 1:35 pm |
Kansas City Blues would be cool if St. Louis didn’t already have it, given this city’s connection to music. Kansas City Jazz might be an option, even though there’s the NBA team with the same name.
#127 by Teebz on 12.21.06 1:39 pm |
Broker75 said:
It was the Isles.
April 18, 1987 – Pat LaFontaine scores at 8:42 of quadruple overtime as the Islanders beat the Washington Capitals 4-3 in Game Seven of the Patrick Division semifinals.
#128 by Stuby on 12.21.06 1:39 pm |
And if the Pens do move to Texas, they can be the Houston Nutts. Thank you, my work here is done.
#129 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:40 pm |
Broker75 said:
I can try…
#130 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:41 pm |
#131 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:43 pm |
If that didn’t work – and it probably won’t because I am a complete MORON as far as links go – go to espn.com and click NHL – it’s the banner story.
#132 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 1:44 pm |
Phil Pereira said:
Pdil, I was thinking about this vein , too. How about the KC Charlie Parkers? Or the KC Trumpets? How about the KC Rhythm? Then they can have a concept for a name like the Wild!
#133 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 1:44 pm |
See – I got it to go – and have no idea how.
#134 by Ed on 12.21.06 1:49 pm |
Banker Bill said:
It was the Indianapolis Clowns.
ed
#135 by ToasterPoodle on 12.21.06 1:49 pm |
“Years later” isn’t that accurate of a term, if my memory serves me correctly the Baltimore FC/CFLers/Stallions only existed for something like 2 seasons…along with the rest of the terrible US expansion.
If it were two seasons, it would have to be years later wouldn’t it?
#136 by Ryan from Ohio State on 12.21.06 1:49 pm |
Article in question:
#137 by Ryan from Ohio State on 12.21.06 1:50 pm |
sorry html skills needs work
(does the link button not work?)
http://sports.espn.g...
#138 by todd krevanchi on 12.21.06 1:54 pm |
a. i havent been able to find this t shirt in the browns store. its a must have based on the size, simplicity and retro feel of the logo.
http://www.cleveland...
b. i dont know how ANY browns fan can say anything bad about the “dawg” logo. that logo represents YOU THE FAN! without the fan there would never have been the dawg logo.
#139 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 1:55 pm |
bellicose and pugnacious
bless you.
#140 by Minna H. on 12.21.06 1:57 pm |
Minna H. said:
Phil! sheesh. I am using a different typing system (Dvorak) with the h by the d.
Tape, I am stealing your non-sequitur response.
Teebz, you might not want to read the article Banker B. linked. You won’t like what he says about the Nordiques leaving Quebec. I didn’t like what he said about the North Stars (though I see his reasoning).
#141 by Dan The Man on 12.21.06 2:01 pm |
Great Job Vince! Your post was one of the few things that went right for my beloved Browns this season! Love the Brownie. GO BROWNS!
#142 by Teebz on 12.21.06 2:03 pm |
Minna H. said:
No, what Burnside said is true. After a decade of losing seasons, no one supported or cared about the Nordiques. The Stastneys were the only reason people cared early on. In their last season in Quebec when they were thought to be a Cup favorite, people started showing up. However, it was far too late at that point.
#143 by Nolan on 12.21.06 2:04 pm |
Ryan from Ohio State said:
So, to sum up…The Penguins had a group lined up that would build a stadium for free. The local Gov. gave the gaming rights to another company who wants to build near Heinz and PNC, but, and this kills me, the Steelers and Pirates don’t want it.
What the Hell is going on in Pittsburgh politics?
#144 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:05 pm |
Minna H. said:
keep dropping Minna, (even though I can’t pronounce the words), I mumble them when I’m reading your posts, s’all good
#145 by Nolan on 12.21.06 2:07 pm |
Nolan said:
This actually comes from this ESPN article
#146 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:13 pm |
Broker75 said:
oh and how could I’ve forgotten, Minnesota was without the North Stars, sorry Minna. keep your chin up, and yours eyes on the ball at all times (i dunno, it’s Christmas week, and I’m drunk) hiccup/stumble
#147 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:18 pm |
Dave A said:
or Jay Leno
#148 by Matt on 12.21.06 2:19 pm |
another rumored place for the Penguins to move is Hamilton, ON… wow, having Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo all that close… that could be some crazy rivalries…
#149 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:22 pm |
Burrill said:
same as the Chiefs
#150 by Teebz on 12.21.06 2:24 pm |
Matt said:
Both the Leafs and Sabres would block that move. That’s a no-brainer if I’m MLSE or Golisano.
#151 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:25 pm |
Minna H. said:
are the words gonna be any longer than firetruck, phew, that took a lot outta me. break time, now i’m nervous
#152 by mg12 on 12.21.06 2:26 pm |
All this talk of Kansas City and the possible new NHL team names made me think of the Kansas City T-bones. The T-bones are a minor league baseball team (not even sure what level). They incorporate the BBQ identity with being so literal.
http://www.tbonesbas...
http://home.kc.rr.co...
The mascot they have walking around the stadium is named “Sizzler”. You gotta love it.
http://www.sugarscos...
#153 by Matthew S. on 12.21.06 2:27 pm |
Minna H. said:
If they did move to Houston, Gamblers would also work as a nice homage to Houston’s USFL team. The logo was kick ass: http://www.mghelmets...
That being said, Houston isn’t really a hockey town. Houston is a football town through and through. The Astros and Rockets have made deep inroads (going to a World Series and winning back to back NBA Championships will do that), but the city remains football oriented and I just cannot see an NHL franchise surviving, let alone becoming prosperous, there.
#154 by mg12 on 12.21.06 2:27 pm |
On second thought, it is pretty literal.
#155 by buckeyebrain on 12.21.06 2:28 pm |
Teebz said:
There was a 5OT game in (I think) 2000: Penguins vs. Flyers.
#156 by Smail on 12.21.06 2:29 pm |
Minna H. said:
Call me a stickler for authenticity, but the KC Mississippi Rivers colors should be brown and baby poop green. At no point in its path is the river blue.
#157 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:32 pm |
John said:
yeah donuts (boston cream for me please), a little off topic, but if the Leafs are gonna alter their Maple Leafs logo, the one Timmy is wearing on the jersey looks perfect.
#158 by Stuby on 12.21.06 2:34 pm |
Smail said:
Nor does it come anywhere near Kansas City…
#159 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:37 pm |
The only name I could think of to suggest was the KC Strip Steaks,
well,..you can count out the vegetarians supporting the team :-’
#160 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 2:43 pm |
The Kansas City Tumbleweed? (You’d think with my being a trademark lawyer, I’d be able to make up good names. No chance.)
The ESPN article on teams moving mentioning the Devils reminded me of a Flyers-Devils game I went to back in March. I’m from Philly (mow living in Northern NJ and working in NYC), so I was expecting a raucous crowd like I experienced at Madison Square Garden or at the Nassau County Coliseum. Nope. It was silent and quiet; as if you were watching hockey in a museum.
#161 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 2:45 pm |
Phil Pereira said:
ownership taking the public into consideration? I’d love to say they would Phil, but they don’t care. ie’s North Stars, Browns,
#162 by Nael Masood on 12.21.06 2:46 pm |
Wow, nice job Vince. Interesting little history on Brownie there.
Since we’re on the topic of the NHL here in the commants, my local paper (the San Jose Mercury News) was in on the San Jose Sharks trying out the new uniforms the NHL plans to try at the All-Star Game and roll out for next season. They wrote an article featuring some of the Sharks’ reactions on the new uniforms – and despite Gary Bettman’s claims to the contrary, there were a number of Sharks players who didn’t like the uniforms.
I can’t wait for the league-wide roll-out of these unis next season; hopefully it’ll have a similar result to the synthetic ball fiasco the NBA’s had this year.
#163 by Kerry on 12.21.06 2:46 pm |
Smail said:
Well, if that’s the case…it should be the KC MISSOURI Rivers since the Mississippi River is on the other side of the state in St. Louis.
Personally, I vote for the KC Chefs…they could have the same colors as the Chiefs and all fans have to do is cover the “i” when going to watch some puck-slapping!
Great Googily Moogily!
#164 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 2:48 pm |
Kansas City Tornados? lol might not sit well for people who had their house destroyed by one though
#165 by Phil Pereira on 12.21.06 2:50 pm |
Kerry said:
And don’t forget, the Kansas River meets up with the missouri river here in the city!
#166 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 2:51 pm |
Kerry said:
As funny as the commercial is, I’m sure it was done with the blessing of the NFL and the team (though I’m only guessing). I can’t imagine that another sports team with similar colors and a similar name would be accepted.
As I told I client once, “I love that idea. Too bad it won’t work. I’ll give you points for creativity.”
#167 by Teebz on 12.21.06 2:51 pm |
buckeyebrain said:
Also correct. Keith Primeau scored on Ron Tugnutt to end that game. “On May 5, 2000, Primeau scored the game-winning goal in the longest game in modern NHL playoff history”. That game lasted 152 minutes and one second. Only two games have been longer, one in 1933 and the other in 1936.
#168 by Kerry on 12.21.06 2:53 pm |
Anthony Verna said:
Awwwww…BOOOOOO!!!
But yeah, that was a GREAT commercial. I’m not too sure that they neede the NFL’s permission…they never said “Chiefs” in the ad nor did they show the logo as far as I can recall.
#169 by Matthew S. on 12.21.06 2:55 pm |
Anthony Verna said:
Calling them the Chiefs would also be a great reference to one of the funniest hockey movies ever: Slapshot.
http://www.imdb.com/...
#170 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 2:59 pm |
Kerry said:
True. You’d be surprised how well trademarks are protected today from parody, though. (And commercials aren’t considered parody, since they’re commercial use.) So I was guessing that the Snickers ad was done with someone’s blessing. But it’s just a guess.
#171 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 3:07 pm |
Teebz said:
that’s what I call Game Seven Heaven, thanks Teebz
#172 by WVU Tom on 12.21.06 3:08 pm |
Teebz said:
Wow, I’m not a big hockey fan, but I remember that game well. I was in college and my two room-mates were Flyers and Pens fans, respectively. We were all planning on going out to a bar that night to celebrate the end of the semester, but we had to wait until the game ended–if I recall, we never made it out, but that was one hell of a game.
#173 by Teebz on 12.21.06 3:11 pm |
Matthew S. said:
The Johnstown Chiefs actually exist. They are an ECHL team. They are the only team that hasn’t changed their name since joining the league. The Chiefs play their home games in the Cambria County War Memorial Arena in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where most of the hockey scenes in Slap Shot were filmed. The team colors are black, gold and white due to an affiliation with the Bruins, and the Chiefs’ road uniforms are based on 1970s Bruins jerseys. They are now part of the Tampa Bay Lightning system.
However, I didn’t know this: “The owners originally wanted to name the team the Jets in honor of a team that had played in Johnstown from 1950 to 1977, mostly in the Eastern Hockey League. However, the old Jets’ former owners still held the trademark for the name and refused to allow the new team to use it. Fortunately, they had a second choice. The hockey cult movie Slap Shot had been filmed in Johnstown, and featured a minor league team called the Charlestown Chiefs. The owners readily jumped on the tie-in, and the Johnstown Chiefs were born. It is the only original ECHL franchise still based in its original city.”
#174 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 3:13 pm |
Banker Bill said:
trying..thanks $Banker Bill$ – geez, get OFF of me links
#175 by Kim on 12.21.06 3:14 pm |
WVU Tom said:
I’ve got a t-shirt the Flyers made after that game. It has the relavant stats. Score, time, # of drinks, # of pizzas ordered, etc.
#176 by WVU Tom on 12.21.06 3:23 pm |
Nolan said:
In reference to the “Moves we’d make” section of this article, let me say this for the Caps. As a resident of the DC metro area, I’d have to guess one of the biggest reasons for low attendance at Caps games (and other DC teams) is the horrible traffic congestion the area faces.
I only live about 30 miles outside of DC in virginia, I would love to get to some more games, but it sometimes takes me more than 2 hours to get into the city! Add to that the time it takes to get on trains or find parking, and it gets to the point where you pretty much need to take half a day off work if you want to get there in time for the face off. So I prefer to just watch most games on TV.
#177 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 3:23 pm |
Kim said:
I went to the game played after that one, where the defenseman. . . what was his name . . . scored a goal seconds into it to start his hat trick.
#178 by maximumK on 12.21.06 3:29 pm |
That ESPN article on the hocky team edition of musical chairs has the situation in washington somewhat wrong. The reason people don’t go to caps games is because…oh…maybe because they don’t WIN. Sure, they have the most exciting player in the league, but they still haven’t put together a consistent season since maybe 2000. Also, I’m not so sure anyone in DC likes Ted Leonsis. Not only did he go Dan Snyder-style by hiring a bunch of high-priced guys who weren’t an actual team (not to mention the fact that he runs AOL. THAT will make anyone popular…).
With the drop in attendance at hockey games, does anyone think the NHL might do what a lot of MLS teams are doing and build smaller arenas? That trend in the MLS has led to some really nice, comfortable, and intimate stadiums which provide a nice environment for watching sports. Plus, when you have an 11,000-seat stadium, an attendance of 11,000 certainly looks a lot better.
#179 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 3:29 pm |
Teebz said:
wasn’t that one of the games that the NHL wanted to get away from? hence the reason for bringing shootout (which I like, but not in the playoffs)I’m not 100% for the shootout, but it seems to be a good addition thus far. the point system is screwed, the winner should get three points, and the loser only one, or two for the winner, and none for the loser, right now it’s 2 for the winner and 1 for the loser.
#180 by maximumK on 12.21.06 3:31 pm |
Oh yeah…I forgot to congratulate Vince on making it into the big leagues. Congrats, and great post.
#181 by Teebz on 12.21.06 3:34 pm |
Anthony Verna said:
Andy Delmore… currently playing for the Springfield Falcons, Tampa Bay’s AHL affiliate.
#182 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 3:36 pm |
Broker75 said:
I like the shootout in the regular season – but you HAVE to have overtimes in the playoffs. I like soccer, but having the World Cup decided by penalty kicks is completely asinine. You can’t have any kind of championship determined by a practice exercise. Imagine – game 7, World Series, tie score…nope no extra innings – let’s have a home run derby determine the winner.
#183 by Frank on 12.21.06 3:38 pm |
Reference the KC Scouts debate. Although the original logo was an Indian Scout, you could easily change this to a US Cavalry Scout (Vicinity to Fort Riley).
Colors would naturally be:
Light Blue Pants
Dark Blue Sweater with Gold accents
Black helmets (to mimic stetsons)
#184 by Joe on 12.21.06 3:39 pm |
Brian W said:
A lifelong Bengal fan, I’m sworn to hate the Browns. But Brownie is the best NFL logo. Now if they turn him into a ‘rioded up super brownie; I will burn Cleveland to the ground
I wish Oregon State would leave Benny Beaver alone. Old Benny: yea!! http://www.sportslog...
Sonic the Hedge-Beaver: Boo!
http://img.search.co...
#185 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 3:41 pm |
Speaking of shootouts – puckheads, again I ask your opinions..
In overtime, when a goal is scored, the goal and assists are counted in the players stats. In a shootout, the goalie for the winning team is credited with a win, yet nobody is given credit for the goals scored. If NOTHING else, shouldn’t the winning goal scorer be credited with a goal – on the official NHL score sheet, they list who scored the winning goal, yet it is never added to the statistics.
Whattaya think folks?
#186 by Ravens Fan on 12.21.06 3:42 pm |
Maybe the Browns should incorporate more mythology into its tradition, like pixies, fairies, unicorns, and the prospects of winning another NFL championship.
#187 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 3:46 pm |
Banker Bill said:
I agree, good point
#188 by Teebz on 12.21.06 3:49 pm |
Broker75 said:
Not at all. The playoffs will always remain with a winner and a loser. The shootout is for regular season only. OT in the Stanley Cup playoffs is as dramatic is a bottom-of-the-9th-inning, game seven walk-off homerun in the World Series or a 55-yard field goal in the Super Bowl with no time remaining. It is the defining moment in the playoffs of the NHL, especially when it means so much in terms of momentum.
#189 by Teebz on 12.21.06 3:54 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Overtime is considered regulation time, meaning that all points and PIMs are recorded. Since the shootout is played outside of regulation time, the points are not awarded.
#190 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 3:55 pm |
I think the state of Wisconsin should get an NHL team, it’s got hockey ingredients: snow, cold weather, rabid fans and lots of BEER!
#191 by Teebz on 12.21.06 3:58 pm |
Frank said:
You mean like the Barney Rubble Hairpieces uniforms, but with a black helmet?
#192 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 3:58 pm |
Teebz said:
you can’t compare field goals to overtime winners, or bottom of the ninth dingers.
#193 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 4:00 pm |
Teebz said:
I understand that, but I can’t see how the goalie gets credit for the win – that is a goaltender statistic – shows in his record. How can one player have a benefit to their statistics based on their performace in a shootout when other players can’t? Doesn’t it seem a little unfair to the skaters? I know some people will say “It’ll inflate the goal scorers stats.” Unless you have a 20-something round shootout, nobody can score more than 1 goal in a shootout. I just want equality for the Marek Maliks of the world that score these beautiful goals and get nothing but a worthless ESPY award for them.
#194 by DJL on 12.21.06 4:01 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
No offense TK, but I completely disagree.
The Dawg Pound came about organically, specifically from two Browns team members and thereafter adopted by the fans in a certain section.
By the time the Browns were leaving in 1995, the Dawg Pound theme was getting a bit worn out as the team little resembled the Browns defenses that inspired the moniker. What kept it going was the fans in that specific section who brought it to life.
A lot of those original guys that started barking in 1984 have given up their tickets or have been replaced by friends and family members. Nowadays, being in the Dawg Pound is just a license to be a little louder, drunker and crazier than other sections. But it’s nothing like the old Dawg Pound.
The aforementioned logos were not developed to celebrate the fan, but to capitalize on fans that wanted to pretend they sat in those bleacher seats at old Municipal Stadium. Because the team had no identity or players until late in 1999, the team used the Dawg Pound logo on everything as a way to sell merchandise.
Sorry, for the soapbox rant, I don’t mean to keep bringing this up.
#195 by Teebz on 12.21.06 4:02 pm |
Broker75 said:
Yes, you can. They end the game, just like OT goals do, and result in one team winning and one team losing. How are they different?
#196 by maximumK on 12.21.06 4:06 pm |
Interesting note buried deep in an article on washingtonpost.com about the Caps practicing on an outdoor rink.
“The Capitals had accepted an invitation from Chevy Chase Club to hold a practice at its private rink. And although the ice surface was smaller than regulation and the mid-morning sun forced goaltender Olie Kolzig to use eye black, everyone seemed to enjoy the experience, even if it didn’t help them forget about the Lightning loss.”
I’m on the lookout for pictures of this.
#197 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 4:08 pm |
Teebz said:
OK – here’s another flaw in that logic/rule…players are penalized in regulation time or overtime and have to serve their penalties. Shootout is not considered “regulation time” – say a Brendan Shanahan got a game misconduct earlier in the game. By that theory, regulation time is over and he could come back for the shootout. Lots of holes in the NHL shootout, don’t you think?
#198 by Monkeysandwich on 12.21.06 4:08 pm |
Do you think Troy Smith dropped $480 of his own coin on that Brownie Throwback jacket? THe NCAA rules cops don’t need an excuse to bust heads.
#199 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:10 pm |
Teebz said:
they’re definenately (
#200 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 4:10 pm |
Teebz, talking hockey with you gets me through my day. Wish we could meet at a sports pub and drink a few cold ones and discuss all things puck.
I actually want to open a hockey themed sports bar – call it the Penalty Box and have all my bartenders wear referee jerseys.
#201 by Minna H on 12.21.06 4:11 pm |
Broker75 said:
Ha! You funny, Broker75. This and your other post about mumbling…I hope you’re not doing that at work!
#202 by Jay Palmer on 12.21.06 4:14 pm |
Banker Bill said:
you should call it “the sin bin”.
My $0.02
#203 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:14 pm |
Broker75 said:
what the hell was that??? computer brain freeze I guess. What I meant was field goals aren’t as exciting is all
#204 by Teebz on 12.21.06 4:15 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Goalies’ win-loss stats are recorded exactly the same way that wins and losses are recorded in the NHL for teams. When Ron Tugnutt got pulled in favour of Kari Lehtonen during a shootout, he got a no decision, even though he played the entire game. Lehtonen lost the shootout and was credited with the loss. Why? Because the goaltender is the only player on the ice for the entire game, including the shootout. Even though, he wasn’t responsible for the goals scored during the game, Lehtonen becomes responsible for his team in the shootout.
#205 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:16 pm |
Banker Bill said:
I’ll support ya, only if the female bartender and waitress’ sport a “meshed” referee jersey.
#206 by Banker Bill on 12.21.06 4:18 pm |
I still don’t like it…
By the way – Ron Tugnutt is THE GREATEST OALIE NAME IN HISTORY!
You can’t have a playmaking center with the last name “Tugnutt”.
#207 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:19 pm |
Minna H said:
ahhh,..yes, I live in a fantasy world, and I’m living it(TM)
#208 by Philly Bill on 12.21.06 4:21 pm |
Nice one, Teebz, comin’ up with Andy Delmore there. Still the only rookie defenseman to score a hat trick in an NHL playoff game.
Broker75 said:
You are correct, sir! (Hihoooo!) Ten years after that Caps/Isles marathon, on April 24-25, 1996, the Caps went four overtimes against the Penguins, until Petr Nedved scored at 2:22 a.m.
I still remember that Pens/Flyers 5-OT game. Primeau got around Darius Kasparaitis and scored that goal at 2:35 a.m. — exactly 7 hours after the game started.
Now, check out what I found on eBay. I don’t even know what to think about this — one of the all-time great logos slapped onto a sartorial atrocity:
http://i3.ebayimg.co...
#209 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:21 pm |
Jay Palmer said:
in which currency, this matters eh.
#210 by Teebz on 12.21.06 4:22 pm |
Banker Bill said:
A game misconduct is the removal of the player from the game until its completion. The game is not over at the end of regulation time if the game is still tied. The shootout is considered part of the game because the game can not remained tied by today’s rules.
#211 by Stuby on 12.21.06 4:25 pm |
Eeeyah!! The Great Pumpkin!!
#212 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:25 pm |
Teebz said:
sounds similar to MLB with relief pitchers taking the loss in relief, doesn’t it? Also, Lehtonen was in net for the deciding goal.
#213 by Teebz on 12.21.06 4:27 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Totally. That would be my HNIC hangout. “The Sin Bin” is a cool name, but could be mistaken for for another kind of bar, especially with those mesh waitress uniforms. ;o)
#214 by todd krevanchi on 12.21.06 4:30 pm |
todd krevanchi said:
still waiting…
Broker75 said:
Here’s a BETTER LOOK at the old Saints logo.
It looks like Snoopy wearing a Saints helmet.
or Jay Leno
i thought this was a dead on ringer for snidely whiplash (after an online shopping spree at helmet hut’s gridioronmemories.com)
http://www.geocities...
#215 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 4:30 pm |
Philly Bill said:
That was a great call. Andy Delmore. You know, a friend of mine used to have Springfield Falcons season tickets.
As for the uniform. . . . YEEEEEEEACK! Though, it’s always good to see the Nords logo. I bought my sister some Nords stuff when I visited Quebec back when I was in high school (I had a pen pal there and stayed with her family for a week). To this day, she still has the boxer shorts (go figure, the gag gift has lasted).
#216 by Kenny on 12.21.06 4:31 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Little bit of irony if he pulls a groin
#217 by Ian K on 12.21.06 4:32 pm |
Broker75 said:
In Fort Worth, we have a divey sports bar called “The Penalty Box”. Not much hockey talk – it takes a backseat to football talk around here unfortunately. Feel free to open a franchise though!
#218 by Kenny on 12.21.06 4:34 pm |
Joe said:
Not to mention he looks scared out of his mind after being flung through the air by a three-man sling shot.
#219 by Teebz on 12.21.06 4:39 pm |
Andy Delmore was hated by me for years after that game. He and Primeau basically killed the Penguins in that series. He was almost as hated as David Volek was in 1993. That 1993 loss to the Isles almost killed me. A small part of me died that afternoon. I remember exactly where I was when the Islanders eliminated the Penguins.
Funny how the brain works like that. :o)
#220 by STUBZ(Dennis Abrams) on 12.21.06 4:41 pm |
Stuby said:
The 76ers do have some bad jerseys. For a team with a patriotic name, their logos are disappointing in their lack of any obvious patriotic theme. Their color combinations are upsetting. I never liked their road jerseys and the alternates make me want to wash my eyes out with soap. I’d like to see any jersey with PHILA across the front and the red/white/blue combo.
Also, when and why was this worn?
#221 by Kenny on 12.21.06 4:41 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Just make sure they were these and not these, but these will be a little classier than mesh
#222 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:42 pm |
#223 by Teebz on 12.21.06 4:45 pm |
Broker75 said:
Gotcha. However, a 50-yard kick to win the Bowl is still pretty exciting if you like the NFL, especially if it’s your team.
Personally, not my thing.
#224 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:45 pm |
Kenny said:
you my dear, are hired!
#225 by Broker75 on 12.21.06 4:48 pm |
Do we ever run out of “the codes” that are required to post? like the e4f3 things? Paul? Vince? Mr.Gates?
I think we’re gonna break 300 if this keeps up, what is the record anyways?
#226 by My Name is Not Earl on 12.21.06 4:50 pm |
Tornadoes would be a good name for a team in Kansas City. The whole “offensive to the people who live there” argument doesn’t work. The Carolinas have been hit by hurricanes numerous times, and yet the hockey team is named the Hurricanes. And when the south Louisiana parish of Plaquemines was devastated by a hurricane, necessitating the merger of three of the parish’s high schools, what mascot was chosen? Not one of the three old mascots, but a new one: Hurricanes
#227 by Philly Bill on 12.21.06 4:50 pm |
STUBZ(Dennis Abrams) said:
This has been asked many times on this board. They wore ‘em for a couple of exhibition games in Europe before this season, I think in Spain. (Are the shoulder graphics the colors of the Spanish flag? I’m colorblind.)
#228 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 4:53 pm |
I really liked the Sixers jerseys from my childhood (those would be the 78-91 jerseys). Simple and classy.
Notice how the copy worn by Iverson doesn’t have the same font thickness as the originals do.
I was highly disappointed in the Pat Croce-era redesign (though the blue jerseys don’t bug me like they do everyone else). I was really disappointed in Charles Barkley’s number being retired with the new logo. The old logo didn’t have a patriotic theme – only because there are more than 13 stars.
STUBZ(Dennis Abrams) said:
#229 by Matthew S. on 12.21.06 4:56 pm |
STUBZ(Dennis Abrams) said:
Someone asked exactly the same question yesterday, but I have no problem answering it again. Several NBA teams played preseason games in Europe in October. To commemorate this, most of the NBA teams incorporated the colors of the host nation’s flag into their uniforms. The Sixers played a club team in Barcelona. Spain’s flag is is red and gold: http://s389.nxs.nl/f...
Full story is here: http://www.nba.com/n...
Nothing like showing off a little flag knowledge to stroke the ego.
#230 by Metsfan AZ on 12.21.06 4:58 pm |
#231 by Minna H on 12.21.06 5:04 pm |
Man, are we a loquacious, vociferous, boisterous and obstreperous bunch today. MY BAD for the Mississippi faux pas—obviously, geography was not my thing.
We’ve hit 260 before in comments—I think we will break that today.
Hey, Banker B., if the female wait staff is wearing mesh or snug tops (with glitter on their decolletages), then I want the men to be topless and wearing tight jeans. With Ed Hochulis’s guns.
Broker75, you really did get in the holiday spirits early, didn’t you? Ditch the dial-up. I switched about eight months ago, and I can’t imagine going back.
#232 by Teebz on 12.21.06 5:09 pm |
Minna H said:
I’m voting both those ideas down. I say the wait staff has to wear an NHL jersey of some sort. Since there will be games playing every night there’s NHL hockey on, it would be great to have staff outfitted in jerseys. Besides, what better way to introduce yourself:
“Hi, I’m Teebz, and I’ll be cheering for Pittsburgh while I’m serving you tonight.”
#233 by ACC (the Brain) on 12.21.06 5:13 pm |
Anthony Verna said:
Those royal blues are the only current Sixers unis I do like.
I can never tell if their darker unis are navy or black. I say – no Iversen means new era – change the logo back to the ball with 13 stars or go back even further to the PHILA years.
#234 by Minna H on 12.21.06 5:15 pm |
Teebz said:
Yeah, that. Much better idea. Of course, I would be the obnoxious one saying, “Hi, I’m Minna, and I’ll be cheering for the North Stars—I mean, the Wild! while I’m serving you tonight.”
#235 by Matthew S. on 12.21.06 5:19 pm |
Matthew S. said:
Now that I think about it, those shoulder stripes are probably meant to represent the flag of Catalunya, which is the province that Barcelona is in. Catalunya is to Spain kind of like what Texas is to the rest of the U.S.: almost like a whole different country. Catalan culture is a mix of Spanish, French, and Basque and people from this part of Spain have always been proud of how different they are from the rest of Spain. Catalan language and culture, including the flag were heavily suppressed under the dictatorship of Francisco Franco, but has reemerged since his death.
Sorry if any of that came across as showing off, anyway, here’s the flag of Catalunya: http://p.vtourist.co...
#236 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 5:20 pm |
ACC (the Brain) said:
If you take a look, the old logo has more than 13 stars. Oy.
As for the blue, Pat Croce (back when he was in charge) said that it was officially called Chamberlain Blue. (I can’t find any reference to that, though.)
#237 by Metsfan AZ on 12.21.06 5:21 pm |
Minna H said:
Can we go back? I vote for decolletage!
#238 by Teebz on 12.21.06 5:30 pm |
Metsfan AZ said:
Mr. Hochuli will be here to take your order momentarily, Mr. Metsfan AZ. :o)
#239 by Austin Gray on 12.21.06 5:35 pm |
Monkeysandwich said:
There is one legal way he could have done it. If you are likely a first-round draft pick and about to gain a signing bonus in the neighborhood of $10 million, there are banks that are willing to loan you massive amounts of cash in advance, against what you will likely get for a bonus.
#240 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 5:37 pm |
Teebz said:
After reviewing the play, the receiver caught the ball, kept one foot in bounds. However, his momentum was going at 3 kg m/s towards the end zone when the defender hit him at 9 kg m/s towards the white sideline. The player’s impetus changed the momentum, causing the second foot to minutely scrape the periphery of the field boundary. The ruling on the field stands. Incomplete pass.
#241 by Teebz on 12.21.06 5:43 pm |
Anthony Verna said:
“Great call on that play, Ed, but you forgot to tell him what the specials were. And you didn’t even get a drink order!”
Oh man, I can’t stop laughing at the thought of Ed Hochuli getting reprimanded by an Applebee’s-like manager. :o)
#242 by Metsfan AZ on 12.21.06 5:47 pm |
Teebz said:
On second thought sweaters aren’t bad. Sweater tidbit – when i worked in Rutherford, NJ there was a little dry cleaning place that did the Devils sweaters. They would hang them in the window, kind of neat to see them there.
#243 by Shane on 12.21.06 5:47 pm |
Here’s my question. Why haven’t the Pens considered Seattle? They already have three other major sports teams, and I’m pretty sure that the T-Birds get decent numbers, even if they’re just a WHL team.
#244 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 5:47 pm |
Teebz said:
Ed. . . I have to talk to you about your flair. . .
#245 by Metsfan AZ on 12.21.06 5:51 pm |
Teebz said:
And then knocking down said manager with an emphatic lefthanded FIRST DOWN signal.
#246 by Chuck Ryals on 12.21.06 5:52 pm |
great article on the Brownie Elf! One thing overlooked though is the fact that the Brownie looks remakably like Paul Brown! Anyone agree with me on this?
#247 by Minna H on 12.21.06 6:00 pm |
Metsfan AZ said:
Hi, Ed. I’ll take one of you to go….
#248 by dchis on 12.21.06 6:01 pm |
Minna H said:
And a safety from Pittsburgh!!!!
#249 by dchis on 12.21.06 6:03 pm |
Anthony Verna said:
“But, boss, I have the minimum. Don’t my guns count as flair?”
#250 by Minna H on 12.21.06 6:08 pm |
dchis said:
dchis, now you’re talking my kind of menu.
#251 by My Name is Not Earl on 12.21.06 6:12 pm |
Seattle? Why would the Penguins abandon one dumpy arena for another? Maybe you missed the part about the SuperSonics trying to leave the Key.
#252 by Dane on 12.21.06 6:18 pm |
Nolan said:
Keep in mind, the group that decided on the groups that received the casino licenses were the PA Gambling board, not elected officials. They were supposed to make their selections based upon the best applicants to run the casino, and best locations for their construction. Sports arenas, Civil War museums and other promises were not (supposed to be) part of the process.
There would be a twinge of irony if a casino decision causes the Penguins to move to Las Vegas.
#253 by MikeR on 12.21.06 6:36 pm |
Vince – Great stuff! Let’s hope this isn’t just a “cup of coffee”
#254 by Anthony Verna on 12.21.06 6:55 pm |
I could use a cup of tea right now.
Where’s Ed? Is Ed taking my order?
MikeR said:
#255 by Natron on 12.21.06 7:19 pm |
Oregon update:
I just saw a live spot from the Las Vegas Bowl on ESPN News, and the Ducks are wearing the “flame” helmets during helmets with green jerseys.
They look a lot more green on tv than they did in the pictures here, but it might just be that goofy-ass paint reflecting weird.
#256 by Natron on 12.21.06 7:23 pm |
Natron said:
Yikes – I should proofread… That should have read:
“the Ducks are wearing the “flame” helmets during warm-ups with green jerseys.”
#257 by redemske on 12.21.06 7:26 pm |
I just saw that, too. We’ll see how this turns out …
#258 by redemske on 12.21.06 7:30 pm |
No ‘O’ decal, though.
#259 by dirtydust on 12.21.06 7:36 pm |
They do have the “O” on the back of the helmet.
#260 by Bob A on 12.21.06 7:42 pm |
The Texans have designated this coming Sunday’s game as Steel Blue Day, meaning the monochrome blue look, helmets, pants, jerseys. As a charter season ticket holder I have to ask… Haven’t I suffered enough?
#261 by Bill on 12.21.06 7:43 pm |
Oregon is wearing black jerseys with green shoulder.
#262 by Andrew on 12.21.06 7:54 pm |
When it comes to moving the Pittsburgh Penguins, how about moving them out here to the West Coast. Oregon has a pretty good hockey base, and their dub’ attendance is pretty high. I have a buddy who plays for the Portland Winterhawks, and he says they have some pretty crazy fans. Its not like Portland has any good teams to watch anyways, so a pro hockey team could work there. Or Washington, just tear down Key Arena, sell the Sonics and move them to a new state, and build a new arena where Key is. Or last step, bring them up here to Vancouver. If Alberta and Ontario can have 2 teams, why cant we? :)
#263 by schuby on 12.21.06 7:55 pm |
I think its a shame that Oregon won’t have the O. that was the only thing that would make the helmet look kinda cool.
#264 by maximumK on 12.21.06 7:58 pm |
That’s certainly….a different look
#265 by My Name is Not Earl on 12.21.06 7:58 pm |
Davie just said “motorcycle helmets.” Damn those things are bright.
#266 by maximumK on 12.21.06 8:02 pm |
I wish the ducks could’ve used white numbers. For some reason, that yellow with that crazy font really bothers me. Of course, it could just be me since the reflection off the helmets is making me blind.
#267 by Ryan on 12.21.06 8:03 pm |
Those helmets look good.
#268 by patrick on 12.21.06 8:03 pm |
i dont think they’re that bad…. definitely not as bad as the pictures would suggest. I like the fade to green in the back and the O
#269 by Ryan on 12.21.06 8:17 pm |
I just have standard def, do the knee pads and shoulder pads with the diamond pattern look solid white to everyone else?
#270 by J-Rob on 12.21.06 8:22 pm |
the shoulder pads and knee pads have a reflector effect causing it to look white from a distance.
#271 by schuby on 12.21.06 8:22 pm |
Bob A said:
I hope they don’t make it a habit like the Broncos or Seahawks. Something different would be the Battle Red tops with the Steel Blue pants. I wanna see how that works out.
#272 by maximumK on 12.21.06 8:23 pm |
Ryan said:
Yeah, from the press box camera. It’s actually kinda neat in that it offsets all the darkness. Now that I’ve gotten used to them, the helmets aren’t bad at all.
#273 by GoMac on 12.21.06 8:30 pm |
The shoulders and knees do look very white from far away..
But believe it or not..the helmets actually look pretty cool…everyone’s looks a little different because they change colors as the players move..
They go from green to bright yellow as the light changes..
I’m just not sure if I like the O logo on the back yet..or if it woulda looked better on the sides..
#274 by Jeff P. on 12.21.06 8:30 pm |
Yea my TV has the same reflector effect. I kinds reminds me of huge shoulder patches. Much like Mt. Union and Michigan during the Rose Bowl
#275 by ToasterPoodle on 12.21.06 8:31 pm |
After all the hoopla, I dig the new helmets. The accent on the front and the “O” logo on the back look good.
But I do have one question:
Why are the Ducks shoulders and knees glowing like the hockey puck on the old Fox Broadcasts?
#276 by GoMac on 12.21.06 8:31 pm |
Oh and…is this like the most comments a post has ever gotten?
Uni Watch is hitting it big!
#277 by Rene on 12.21.06 8:55 pm |
good to see you old timers likin oregon’s unis….those things are sweet as hell, of course they’re not ur classic uni but its oregon, no need to be classic, i like the fact they have some onions to do futuristic things and LOOK AT ‘EM, those things kick ass!!!
#278 by schuby on 12.21.06 8:58 pm |
Kerry said:
The Kansas City Slapshots! YEA!!!!!!!
#279 by matt1977 on 12.21.06 8:59 pm |
Great topic. As a die hard Browns fan, I love the Brownie (glad to see it being used more lately) and hate the “Dawg” (as do most Browns fans I know. The article mentions marching bands in the 40’s…I always thought this was sweet…Check Out The Drum
#280 by schuby on 12.21.06 9:04 pm |
this may be a little bit old but what’s with the Nuggets alternate jerseys they wore during the game vs. the Knicks? Are those supposed to be throwbacks or just something the team came up with at the last minute? They really don’t look very good.
#281 by Shane on 12.21.06 9:11 pm |
Wow, Oregon looks like a mix of really good and really ridiculous. I like the green and black jersey with the yellow helmet, but the reflecty bits and the pants are horrible.
#282 by Jeff E. on 12.21.06 9:12 pm |
Hey, ESPN is showing “Starship Troopers” tonight. Oh, wait…that’s the Oregon Ducks playing. I acutally dig those helmets, but the unis leave a lot to be desired.
#283 by Super Mario on 12.21.06 9:14 pm |
ToasterPoodle said:
seriously, the shoulder and knee area are just so bright, especially in hd. from far away they look like a car’s headlights are right in front of the players, but when the camara is close it really doesn’t have the same effect. the helmets are alright, pretty cool, but the flames are non-existant when you see them on tv. they should have worn different uni’s though. the black ones look rediculous.
#284 by Shane on 12.21.06 9:15 pm |
On the other hand, I like BYU’s unis a lot. White with blue striping, blue pants..and especially the helmets covered in merit stickers.
#285 by schuby on 12.21.06 9:15 pm |
it looks as though Oregon has more of the diamond pattern than usual. It does look white at first look
#286 by MikeR on 12.21.06 9:38 pm |
The Oregon/BYU game signifies everything that’s wrong (UofO) and everything that’s right (BYU) with college football unis. Those Oregon unis are atrocious.
#287 by Tyler on 12.21.06 9:56 pm |
Interesting facemasks at the Women’s Field Hockey World Cup.
#288 by Original Jim on 12.21.06 10:01 pm |
Minna H. said:
Yes, I read the Soos books. It was so long ago though, that IÂ can’t even remember which one of the Rawlings mysteries that I haven’t read.
#289 by TX Ken on 12.21.06 10:54 pm |
I was wrong: The Oregon helmets really don’t look that bad. Its the Jerseys and the diamond-plating on the shoulders that look bad (terrible).
I was right: The Oregon unis make BYU look good! (Also Oregons pourous defense and an amazing passing game make BYU look good).
#290 by bg on 12.21.06 11:03 pm |
those little markings on the shoulder pads are silly looking. heck, the whole thing is. they look like they are wearing shorts. i dont mind the helmets like i thought i would but where’s the “O?”
And is it me, or does the BYU logo look like “Yahoo!”
http://yhoo.client.s...
#291 by TX Ken on 12.21.06 11:04 pm |
Is there anything that generates as much talk on this site as Oregon unis? Does Paul kneel down every night and thank heaven for U of O?
#292 by Kenny on 12.21.06 11:08 pm |
Teebz, Lawrence, Kansas is not minutes away from KC. It’s more like an hour away from KC (45 minutes depending on where you live). I think KC should honor Lamar Hunt by naming the NHL team the Kansas City Hunters. After all, Hunt honored Mayor Bartle by naming his team the Chiefs.
#293 by TX Ken on 12.21.06 11:09 pm |
I think that would be the Yahoo logo looking like the BYU logo! They have worn that “Y” since 1978.
http://www.nationalc...
#294 by Shane on 12.21.06 11:19 pm |
The guys in the booth are talking about tearaway jerseys..I’m guessing it was a couple of years before my time?
#295 by Nolan on 12.21.06 11:26 pm |
Shane said:
The thing that gets me about the shoulders is the way the jersey is constructed, the panel with the reflectors sits weird. The jersey only looks “right” from the front view. Any other angle and the reflectors look random at best. I see the same thing with other teams that have that cut of jersey. Michigan, Michigan State, OU, etc. but with them, the shoulder numbers don’t sit on the outside of the shoulder but because of the stretch of the fabric they are more on the front. Clearly Nike needs to rethink graphics on those shoulder panels.
#296 by Nolan on 12.21.06 11:31 pm |
Classic line from Rich Eisen on NFL Network:
“As you can see quite a bit of history here at Lambeau Field, this place reeks of history. The Home Depot Post Game Show is on the air…”
Yep, nothing reeks of history like the Home Depot Post Game Show.
#297 by Al on 12.21.06 11:55 pm |
mg12 said:
I dig the logo. Good name on the mascot as well, think of all the great promotions they could offer: bikini wrestling in A-1 sauce, steak eating contests… the opportunities are endless.
Oh, and Milwaukee is a possibility.
#298 by Minna H on 12.22.06 12:00 am |
Man, what a boring game. I think the white unis are the best of the lot for the Vikes, but they can’t hold a candle to the Packers’ unis.
Those ref outdoor unis? They have GOT to go. I looked ten times better watching the game, and I’m wearing my gray (no black available) UniWatch (TM) sweatshirt and black sweats with the ass sewn up. In other words—I’m no fashion-plate.
#299 by Bill on 12.22.06 12:06 am |
Gonzaga wore their red jerseys tonight.
#300 by Minna H on 12.22.06 12:12 am |
Vince the Intern, take a bow for writing the entry that prduced the most comments EVER! Woo-hoo!
Of course, Milwaukee is always a possibility.
#301 by Teebz on 12.22.06 12:31 am |
#302 by Teebz on 12.22.06 12:34 am |
Kenny said:
It didn’t look that far on the map I was examining. That wasn’t my point, though. Do people flock to the University of Kansas like they do at UNC or Duke or Nebraska for sporting events?
#303 by Al on 12.22.06 12:56 am |
Jay Palmer said:
Any establishment named the ’sin bin’ should have feature topless waitresses, or is that a waitstaff showing ample decolletage? How’s that, Minna?
#304 by Manzell on 12.22.06 1:35 am |
Hey… Oregon wore those kind of mediocre yellow helmets (they sure didn’t “change color” to me), check out these old ones.
#305 by Minna H on 12.22.06 1:40 am |
Al said:
Very nice use of the word decolletage, Al. However, if the women are topless, then the men have to wear thongs. How does that sound, Mr. Hochulis?
#306 by Chris on 12.22.06 1:56 am |
Nice job Vince, congrats on moving up in the Uni world.
Oregon’s helmets… couldn’t see the flames, but then you couldn’t see the flames in Pauls origional post about them.
I think that if the 49ers need a win this weekend, they should wear their throwbacks, it would comply with the NFL’s 2 times rule as it would the the second time plus they are undefeated with them on (last year they beat Tampa Bay and this year they beat Minnesota… all by field goals). Plus they are still in the Playoff hunt, they just need to win out as well as Seattle lose out… it can happen!
#307 by Kenny on 12.22.06 3:02 am |
Teebz said:
No, you’re right-they don’t normally flock to KU for sporting events although ever since the KC Kings left KC in 1985 for Sacramento, the KU Jayhawks have sort of become KC’s basketball team. I know some die-hards who live in KC who attend every Jayhawks’ home game… Granted, they are mostly KU grads.
Speaking of KU, it’s a shame that they don’t retire numbers. Seeing Jeff Boschee wear Wilt Chamberlain’s #13 nearly made me puke. And it was just as bad to see Michael Lee wear Danny Manning’s #25. At least Brandon Rush is worthy of wearing that number.
#308 by Kevin from Ohio in Virginia on 12.22.06 7:47 am |
Broker75 said:
The Steeler logo incorporates 75% of the old Steel Service Center Institute logo, substituting one of the hypercycloids for the word “Steelers,” seen here. I’m not sure of the connection, though there clearly is one. This may be a “chicken or the egg?” situation.
#309 by CubsFanBudMan on 12.22.06 7:55 am |
Nice job, Vince. Very interesting stuff.
#310 by Stan The Man on 12.22.06 9:09 am |
MikeR said:
Alas…a properly uniformed team (BYU) defeated a hideously attired team (Oregon)…JUSTICE IS SERVED!!!
#311 by The Management on 12.23.06 3:10 pm |
Great research, even beter writing. Any idea where I can get more of those Dick Dugan drawings?
Keep up the awesome work – you’ve been a great addition to the UniWatch… by the way, were the hell did Paul find you?
#312 by KT on 12.29.06 3:19 pm |
jam said:
I couldn’t agree more. I don’t even like him that much really. I love the dawg and the “B” logo! Seems like the Browns are only interested in pleasing the older generations. What about the younger and future fans? Don’t get me wrong. I think it’s a great idea to go back and and pay proper respects to the classic uni’s and logos, but come on Cleveland. Lightin up a little. I’m a huge Browns fan and I’m right here in Cleveland. No one under 30 in my family is a Browns fan, but me. My Dad and his brothers “brain washed” me when I was a kid. If my Browns don’t want to update anything. I could live with that, but for all that is good and pure at least change the primary logo from the helmet logo to the dawg or the “B” logo. For merchandise sake. I grow old of just the helmet on all my merchandise. The dawg and the “B” are on a few things, but not hardly enough. Keep the helmet logo around as the third logo for the older generations, since they love it so much.
#313 by Waldo on 12.31.06 8:03 pm |
Just wanted everyone to know that they have some awesome Brownie stuff @ GPS Gift Gallery. I got a huge Brownie wall plaque. He said if you mention the Uniwatch site you’ll get 10% off.