Another university is doing a public service by putting its visual history on the web. Reader Dan Hardin has the details:
Texas A&M has an ongoing project to digitize historic pictures related to the university. Many are of athletic teams, and touch on some of your favorite uni-related items:
• From pre-1900s baseball, here are some interesting collars and pants.
• Here’s another early baseball shot, with some players with pointed collars and some with turtlenecks, a couple wearing ties, and oh my, the socks! [The “AMC” insignia refers to the school’s original name, Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas. And yes, this baseball team sure looks football-ish, but note the bats and gloves in the foreground. — PL]
• In 1923, the team name was on the placket. This isn’t the greatest picture, but it’s more notable for who’s included — in the back row, second from left, is King Gill, the original A&M “12th Man.” And in the middle of the back row, the tallest one, that’s Pat Olsen, a former major leaguer for whom the A&M baseball stadium is now named.
• The football team of the 1970s featured some interesting stripeage.
• These 1943-44 basketball uniforms, however, were much more unfortunate, at least in my view. [I beg to differ. — PL]
This is just a sampling. You can access the entire collection here.
The archive is a friggin’ gold mine, whether you’re into baseball (look here, here, here, and here), basketball (here, here [those sneakers!], here, here [love those matching striped kneepads], and here [is that the most amazing jersey design ever or what?]), or football (here, here [note the refs in jackets and bow ties], here, here [ref now in slacks and broadcloth shirt], here, here, here [rear pants striping!], here, here, and here).
Sorry, got a little carried away there, but that’s how good this material is. And there’s a lot more where that came from. Lots of little anomalies, too — two different members of the 1938 football team, for example, were photographed while wearing a No. 57 jersey, and both of them had mismatched numbers on their helmets.
Kudos to Texas A&M for documenting its own history, and thanks again to Dan for the tip.
Duck L’orange L’jaune: By now we’ve all seen the yellow Oregon helmet shown at right. But until yesterday, I hadn’t seen anyone actually wearing the damn thing. That changed last night, when Uni Watch Omaha bureau chief Bryan Redemske sent me a trio of pics that went out over the AP wire but somehow never circulated on the web. Take a look here, here, and here.
They look kinda like motorcycle helmets, no? Fortunately, I already have plans for Thursday night (gonna be attending the annual holiday fish fry at the completely wonderful Sunny’s Tavern, hosted by the even more wonderful Sunny Balzano), so I won’t have to watch the horrid spectacle of the Las Vegas Bowl.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Logo Creep Alert from Travis McGuire, who writes: “I found this photo on the Arena Football web site promoting their new video game. The funny thing is, the Russell Athletic logo on the sleeve is quite large, but it doesn’t appear on this version of the photo, which is on the Chicago Rush home page.” … “Anquan Boldin looks like he needs a belt,” observes Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek, who also sent along this circa-1950 photo of a primitive facemask being worn by Brown goalie (and future U.S. Olympian) Don Whiston. … Yesterday’s post about outdoor basketball prompted several readers to mention that basketball was played on a clay court at the 1936 Olympics (the first year it was a medal sport). Brian Jackson turned up this photo (which doesn’t really show the court, but at least you can tell it’s outside) and a booklet digitized in this PDF file, which includes a player’s recollections of the court (go to the 18th page of the document, which is page 14 of the booklet itself). … Amusing blog entry here about the Redskins’ cheerleaders. There’s also a mention of the now-defunct Steelerettes, who clearly had the best cheerleader unis of all time (further details on them here, but you might wanna hit your mute button first; tip courtesy of Neal Shaffer, who also sent along a page of great Iowa high school patches).
December Call-Up: Attentive readers (which means, y’know, all of you) have undoubtedly noticed my recent references to Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek, who scored the trivia quiz and has been helping me out lately with photo research. Tomorrow he joins the active roster, as I’m turning over the blog’s main entry to him for a day. Not gonna tell you what he’s writing about, but I’ll give you a hint: Vince lives just outside of Cleveland, and his debut entry definitely reflects his locale.
Finally, I’m not gonna be around for most of today (Uni Watch hedge fund analyst Jenny Strasburg and I are gonna go see this and this, and then check out what we’re gonna cook for dinner!). So talk amongst yourselves today, treat Vince right tomorrow, and I’ll be back on Friday.
#1 by Ethan R on 12.20.06 8:36 am |
Paul got this one posted early! Good morning everyone!
#2 by Harry on 12.20.06 8:37 am |
Tons of pics of vintage cheerleaders in this group.
And here are pics and stories of the Redskin cheerleader uniforms through the years
#3 by DJL on 12.20.06 9:01 am |
I am glad to hear that Vince is from Cleveland. Northeast Ohio has produces a fair share of Uni Watchers.
Plus, the more I see of this guy, the better.
#4 by dilbert719 on 12.20.06 9:07 am |
Motorcycle helmet? Not a bad way to describe them. Frankly, to me, they make the players look like round-tip highlighter pens.
Liking the X-men Aggies jerseys; it’s interesting, to say the least. The kneepads have to go, but the rest I think is kind of neat.
Also absolutely love the shoulder to shoulder striping on the 70’s football jerseys. That’s a fantastic look.
Not so much, though, the AggTies jersey. Everything is perfect with it except they need to pick either the T or the “Aggies,” and get rid of the other.
I’m wondering which of the AFL football game covers will be coming out. Somehow I’m not surprised that the Rush are on the cover, seeing as they won the Arena Bowl, but the logo creep? Wonder how much that’d cost Russell. On a completely unrelated note, here’s to hoping that Tony Graziani’s pimping the Soul jersey on the third game. ;-)
And don’t worry, Paul, we’ll be good to Vince, I’m sure!
#5 by Bo class of '91 on 12.20.06 9:12 am |
Allright, some Aggie love!
Doesn’t maroon and white look better than that t.u. orange?
#6 by Nolan on 12.20.06 9:16 am |
The other day someone was talking about jaw protection in the NHL. I was looking for a specific one and came up with all of these
Benoit Hogue
Phillipe Boucher
Bill Guerin ignore the jersey…please
Another Joe Sakic
John MacLean
Richard Matvichuck
That’s only from looking at the Dallas Stars photos. I can only assume this means the jaw protection is more common than you might think.
The picture I was looking for and can’t find is of Blake Sloan. There were a few games where he wore a Riddell Kra-Lite face mask on his normal helmet. I’m so pissed there is no record of this.
Any help?
#7 by drjwtexas on 12.20.06 9:18 am |
Also link the extra set of numbers.
And the ties on the two guys in thre front row.
Take Care
Dennis
#8 by Burrill on 12.20.06 9:20 am |
I, too, am not sold on the AggTies jersey. It sounds like a description of a formal event or something. Some places hold black tie events; TAMU holds aggtie events. Or something like that.
That reminds me: every time I see the modern TAMU helmets with the ATM logo, I can’t help but call them the Money Machines.
#9 by Jordan on 12.20.06 9:22 am |
As a uni fan, I’d have to say I like the AggTies jersey, but as a Longhorns fan, I have to say it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.
#10 by ed gaug on 12.20.06 9:22 am |
paul, enjoy the design exhibit, i had the chance to see a bunch of kid robot’s new stuff at an opening show in new haven.
#11 by Chris on 12.20.06 9:29 am |
First off, the basketball jerseys are awesome, the belts fit well. Second, I still don’t get it Ducks and Flames????
#12 by Tim on 12.20.06 9:30 am |
From that one photo, I’m more impressed with the player names. Some great old-time baseball names.
Manor Puckett, Lefty Rogers, Petey Wilson, Bugs Morris, Horace Griffin, King Gill, Pud Johnson and Homer Womack.
#13 by Kenny on 12.20.06 9:30 am |
Sounds like it was pretty miserable to play basketball in the ‘36 Olympics
#14 by Steve C. on 12.20.06 9:30 am |
My favorite part of the Texas A&M photo collection was the fact that in the first baseball picture (the pre-1900s one), four or five of the players had to write the team name on the front of their jerseys in chalk. That’s devotion.
One question: what do the yellow flames have to do with a team named the Ducks?
#15 by Kerry on 12.20.06 9:43 am |
Wow, I’m surprised that no one else has mentioned the suddle logo creep found ON THIS PICTURE.
#16 by Micah on 12.20.06 9:45 am |
Wow, if you look closely on the Oregon helmet, you can even see a Swoosh engraved on the little rubber tab on the facemask…..now that is a little bit gratuitous….
#17 by Micah on 12.20.06 9:46 am |
Kerry, ya just beat me to that when I was typing..LOL.
#18 by Kerry on 12.20.06 9:52 am |
HAHAHAHAAAAAAAA! My evil planned is working…..actually, I was surprised that no one had mentioned it. Usually when I see things like that someone has already mentioned it once I get down to the comments section.
#19 by DVG on 12.20.06 9:57 am |
Wow, if you look closely on the Oregon helmet, you can even see a Swoosh engraved on the little rubber tab on the facemask…..now that is a little bit gratuitous….
Above that, on the faceshield, you can even make out a Nike-based URL:
www.nikevision.com
Subtle is Nike’s middle name?
#20 by Dave on 12.20.06 9:57 am |
DJL, here’s your guy on Troy Smith last night
http://photo.the-ozo...
#21 by Dave on 12.20.06 9:59 am |
Actually its not your guy DJL
Who is that guy, I know he was wearing a Browns jacket
#22 by Pat on 12.20.06 9:59 am |
I saw that, I guess I just wasn’t too surprised. Nike puts that swoosh everywhere. When I was younger I had a pair of Nike basketball shoes and on the soles was one HUGE swoosh. I thought it was so cool at the time because I had Nikes. They will literally put it anywhere.
Anybody know what the “ADAMS” written on his straps means? I checked their roster and didn’t see an Adams anywhere.
#23 by Jason on 12.20.06 10:01 am |
All I could think of when I saw that lead picture was “Degeneration X”. And I’m stopped watching wrestling 10 years ago. What’s wrong with me? Also that looks like some damn fine meat there, Paul. Enjoy!
#24 by joe on 12.20.06 10:02 am |
I’m not opposed to the premise of flames on a helmet, but the flames on the Oregon helmet (like every other part of their uniform) seems poorly executed. That, and I don’t see how you could get flames (or steel diamond plate for that matter) from a Duck mascot. The whole uniform reminds me of a Honda Civic with cheap plastic add-ons purchased from K-Mart - it looks terribly disjointed and un-uniform.
Why don’t they just put some Chinese symbols on the helmet sides (a la Navy) and maybe some gothic script like “Pimpin’ Ain’t Easy” on the jersey nameplates - it would be no more tasteless.
#25 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:07 am |
In other facial protection news, I believe Herb Raglan of the 1991 Quebec Nordiques wore a half cage on his helmet that covered his eyes only. I am looking for a picture, and I know I have it on a hockey card at home. If anyone has a card and wishes to scan the hockey card, please do so.
The half-cage visor has not been work since, to the best of my knowledge.
#26 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:10 am |
“Not been used since” rather than “not been work since”.
Some get me a large double-double. Yes… I know the Americans on here won’t get that. Yes, I’ll gladly explain if someone asks.
#27 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:11 am |
Holy Toledo! “Someone”. I’m now banned until I have a cup of coffee. See you in five minutes.
#28 by Anthony Verna on 12.20.06 10:12 am |
Being a Case Western grad and being in Cleveland when the Browns left, I’m curous about tomorrow’s post now. I still have a fondness for the Indians teams of the time (even though I’m a dyed-in-the-wool Philadelphian).
(Could there be any mention of the rumors of light bulbs that used to be sold from Jacobs’ Field after they burned out? The rumor was that the Tribe slapped the Chief Wahoo logo on the bulb and then mount it.)
#29 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 10:17 am |
To continue yesterdays topic about indoor games played outdoors, turns out the Maple Leafs are interested also.
#30 by Tony Edwards on 12.20.06 10:18 am |
ADAMS manufactures chinstaps.
#31 by Joe Hilseberg on 12.20.06 10:18 am |
The Redskins Cheerleader article has some false info. The Baltimore Colts, not the Steelers, were the first NFL team to have cheerleaders in 1953.
There go the deadskins again…trying to take something else from B-More.
#32 by austin on 12.20.06 10:20 am |
It’s an Adams chinstrap
#33 by specs on 12.20.06 10:20 am |
Is that a Tim Horton’s reference?
#34 by DJL on 12.20.06 10:21 am |
Dave, I actually posted that jacket last Friday. The stiffarming Elf is my favorite interpretation of the Brownie.
For the Cleveland Uni Watchers, there is a place in Rocky River called GPS Gift Gallery on that specializes in products adorned with the Brownie Elf. The Web site sucks, but the store itself is pretty cool. Lots of autographed memorabilia as well.
#35 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:22 am |
Yes. And another subtle hockey reference. :o)
#36 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 10:24 am |
That’s a brand of chinstrap
#37 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:26 am |
Herb Raglan with a half-cage.
See? That coffee does help.
#38 by Miguel on 12.20.06 10:31 am |
That’s quite a chain on Mr. Smith! I thought he wasn’t accepting money from boosters anymore?
#39 by Rich on 12.20.06 10:36 am |
wow, 19-8. What a barn-burner! They couldn’t dribble? That must’ve been a sight. So I guess the traveling rule wasn’t invented yet!
#40 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 10:47 am |
Teebz :) that’s easy, (I spend a lot of time in Canada) you’re talking about Timmy’s -I know, someone beat me to it- but I had to give a shout out to a good coffee franchise, and ex-NHLer. You got a pic of Tim Horton?
#41 by BCrisp on 12.20.06 10:47 am |
Not to steal Dan Hardin’s thunder or anything, but I brought up the Texas A&M Cushing Library site a long time ago.
Chain Letter
Look at comment #5
I guess Dan made a better presentation of it than I did.
No sour grapes here though. It is a great site and most of my destops come from there.
Gig ‘em
#42 by Haze on 12.20.06 10:49 am |
Found this link that shows a prototype of the “smartshirt”, an exoskeleton, and something called liquid body armor
#43 by Patrick McAvoy on 12.20.06 10:57 am |
I read in today’s Arizona Republic that the Coyotes practiced in the new Reebok jerseys set to be unveiled next month. Defenseman Keith Ballard liked the tighter socks but didn’t like the tighter jersey due to lack of freedom of movement. He also said it breatehd less than he was expecting.
I’m assuming other teams have started practicing as well… any spy shots out there?
#44 by Teebz on 12.20.06 11:02 am |
Tim Horton
That unauthorized biography that was just released makes Tim sound like a raving lunatic when it came to running his business.
#45 by Pat on 12.20.06 11:08 am |
Anybody think that this idea will go over as badly as the new ball in the NBA? Seems like the same approach David Stern and company used to introduce the new ball. Introduced it at the all-star game the previous year. Allowed each team to practice with the ball over the offseason and then introduced it very first thing the next season. I think all the hub-bub about the ball was stupid and am kind of upset they are going back to the old ball in the first place. I wonder how hockey players, reporters and fans will react to the new uniform design?
#46 by Ian K on 12.20.06 11:09 am |
two different members of the 1938 football team, for example, were photographed while wearing a No. 57 jersey, and both of them had mismatched numbers on their helmets.
This has Aggie joke written all over it. But from a Texas outsider’s perspective (non-UT or A&M, and non-TX native), Texas A&M holds their traditions more reverently than any school I’ve seen.
#47 by Teebz on 12.20.06 11:11 am |
It is bad for hockey. Period.
At least they aren’t tucking the jerseys in, though. That’s a huge relief.
#48 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 11:13 am |
awesome
#49 by drjwtexas on 12.20.06 11:17 am |
Again from the A&M web site.
Check out the “Gig Em” symbol on the girl socks.
#50 by drjwtexas on 12.20.06 11:25 am |
Nice shin guards.
Dennis
#51 by joe on 12.20.06 11:29 am |
http://www.gamewornh...
I stumbled across this. Its not the same as the side-link Game-Worn Hockey Jersey Museum. Enjoy.
#52 by Doug Healy on 12.20.06 11:31 am |
Not a fan at all of the Aggie basketball jersey. Am I the only one that sees it as a nod to the Confederacy? In that respect, it makes them more interesting, but for all the wrong reasons, like the Frito Bandito.
#53 by Tim on 12.20.06 11:39 am |
I don’t know how many times I’ve driven past that place, as my sister lives in the area. I guess now I have a reason to stop and have a look.
#54 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 11:50 am |
Ok, what does “Gig Em” mean?
#55 by Kerry on 12.20.06 12:00 pm |
Um…..in a word, “Yes.”
#56 by Seattle Matt on 12.20.06 12:07 pm |
Here’s a picture with the outdoor basketball clay court.
Mexico vs Phillipines
#57 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 12:08 pm |
Found an article to answer my own question.
#58 by UwantRadie on 12.20.06 12:22 pm |
I was watching “Rudy” the other night and I noticed that he is the only one that isnt wearing his name on his jersey.
a few questions…
1)Did ND ever really have naems on their jerseys?
2)Was it common practice for players that werent sonsistant players to not have their name on their jersey?
By the way, ona side note, my boss is an ND alum and has met the real Rudy. He says the guy is a total douchebag. Just a note.
#59 by Greg Riffenburgh on 12.20.06 12:24 pm |
Note that the Duck in this picture has a six point chin strap hookup (one on top, two on the bottom) but doesn’t have them all connected. I wanted to bring this up yesterday because I distinctly remember some linemen wearing six point chinstraps. But I couldn’t find any photo evidence. Anyone?
#60 by Greg Riffenburgh on 12.20.06 12:24 pm |
Sorry, this picture.
#61 by Matty L. on 12.20.06 12:34 pm |
I don’t see how that’s a good idea as a) BMO is getting a bubble over it in winter so it won’t be outdoors. And b) it’s hardly any bigger then the ACC. They should hold it in the Rogers Centre with the lid open if they want a huge crowd.
On the subject of outdoor sports gone wrong, a charity hockey game that got held in Hamilton during the lockout, “Our Game to Give” was played in a largely empty Ivor Wynne Stadium in a driving rain.
The highlight of the game was Mike Vanderjagt switching from skates to cleats during the second intermission and trying to kick a 30-ish yard field goal from the ice. Unsurprisingly he slipped and fell and the kick was no good.
#62 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 12:56 pm |
Not only the cage - but behold the majestic beauty that was the Nordiques road uni - loved the fleur-de-lis and even the logo - like the logo on the pants too.
#63 by John from KY on 12.20.06 1:01 pm |
Notre Dame did have names on their jerseys from sometime toward the end of the Ara Parsegian (sp?) era in the early 1970s through the Gerry Faust era in the 1980s. When Lou Holtz came (in 1986 IIRC) he took the names off.
Considering that universities didn’t have these huge equipment contracts like today where they not only get free equipment but get paid to wear a brand, it would make sense that those practice squad walk-ons who only dressed for the final home game would get left-over jerseys without names, etc.
In fact, ND always appeared to be kind of tight regarding recycling uniforms, as I remember them still wearing pants with nylon (not spandex, but the backpack/tent type of nylon) front/knit back in the era when virtually every other team was wearing all knit pants (in those pre-spandex days).
#64 by Philly Bill on 12.20.06 1:07 pm |
I’ve read that a few teams have been using them in practice, including Nashville and, I think, Colorado. Does this photo depict the “new style” practice jersey? I can’t tell: http://www.nashville...
Also, A.I. will continue to wear #3 with the Nuggets, as mentioned deep in the bowels of this article:
http://www.denverpos...
#65 by Teebz on 12.20.06 1:12 pm |
100% with you on that, Banker Bill. One of the best jerseys ever in hockey.
#66 by Jay Palmer on 12.20.06 1:17 pm |
#67 by Peter on 12.20.06 1:27 pm |
I saw this picture on sportsline yesterday during the Iverson hoopla, and I noticed the shoulder pattern. What was the occasion for this jersey? And where can I buy one?
#68 by Peter on 12.20.06 1:28 pm |
Sorry, here’s the link to the picture of AI in his jersey.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp...
#69 by Teebz on 12.20.06 1:33 pm |
Those are the Reebok “Slim-Fit” practice jerseys. You can see more of them here. This is a better view of how they look. Notice that the logo is tiny compared to game jerseys.
The old practice jerseys that were made by CCM and had the JOFA label on them looked like this.
#70 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 1:34 pm |
Several NBA teams played preseason games overseas. To commemorate this, most of the teams worked the colors of the host nation’s flag into their jerseys. The Sixers played against a club team in Barcelona. Red and Orange are the colors of the Spanish flag. http://s389.nxs.nl/f...
Full Story: http://www.nba.com/n...
#71 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 1:36 pm |
Did I say orange? Damn I need coffee. I meant red and gold are the colors of the Spanish flag.
#72 by James on 12.20.06 1:46 pm |
is it just me or does troy smith look exactly like reggie bush
#73 by Ben on 12.20.06 2:07 pm |
I like the new Oregon helmets.
I think they’re pretty damn cool.
And despite what Paul and other posters have been endlessly bleating and shrieking, they aren’t going to cause the world to end or for Nike to take over the world and install Phil Knight as worldwide dictator for life.
Nike spent a good bit of money developing and designing the helmets and I have no problem with Nike making that fact now by putting the swoosh in a prominent position on the helmet, in fact it’d be horrible from a business and marketing standpoint if they didn’t.
As I said in my Saturday Open thread post, this is what the majority of helmets in college and the pros will look like inside of ten years. The trend towards this started a few years back when teams switched to metallic paint on their helmets.
And I find it really hypocritical of Paul to continually bemoan the Logo creep on unis etc, and yet he has said nothing about how every square inch of the boards in every NHL hockey arena has advertising plastered on it so you can barely see the puck anymore.
#74 by al on 12.20.06 2:11 pm |
I prefer the home jersey, predominantly white with similar flor de lis and such, and I remember the nord logo to be small?
I also loved the away Cleveland Barons’ and home North Star’s jerseys. Also dug the KC Scouts’ logo.
#75 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:20 pm |
Ben, firstly I’m not sure that anyone on this board, let alone Paul is worried Nike will take over the world. There is nothing wrong (at least in my opinion) of Nike or any other manufacturer putting their logo on a piece of equipment or apparel that they manufacture. But rather it’s HOW they do it. But a uniform is much more than just apparel. It’s the connection between a fan and their team (which itself is an increasingly harder concept to realize as athletes continue to make more and more money and act like they are above the game they play and the team they play for).
I don’t pretend to speak for Paul, but I think the majority of people who dislike Oregon’s new helmet do so simply because it’s ugly. Alsothe majority of people would think so if the design originated with Nike, Reebok, Adidas, or some Joe Schmo in Anytown, USA. Someone asked it earlier: what exactly do flames have to do with a team that’s nickname is the Ducks?
And if you don’t think logos can get out of control, they can: http://oilerfan64.tr...
#76 by Steve C. on 12.20.06 2:23 pm |
This is what most pro and college football helmets will look like in ten years??! Uh oh. Well, Congress is already involved in steroids in baseball, so maybe we could get them to pass a law stating that all football teams must immediately switch to helmets that look like Penn State’s.
Speaking seriously, you’re probably right about the Oregon helmets being trend-setters, though that doesn’t mean I can’t still pine for the days of the old Patriots helmets!
#77 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:23 pm |
Ok, that logo creep photo didn’t work, so hopefully this one will: http://216.92.65.7/i...
#78 by Pat on 12.20.06 2:26 pm |
A little bit, but I’m still going to say it’s just you.
Troy.
Reggie.
On second thought… I think they do look a lot a like. Troy looks a lot like an unpolished Reggie Bush.
#79 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 2:31 pm |
Corporate logos in stadiums have never been the focus of anti logo creep. Those are ads. The main issue is the manufacturer of the equipment/uniform putting their logo on it. As Paul has said before, I want to root for my team not the company that made their uniforms. That being said, unadorned stadiums are gone forever. I actually think the subtle logo on the facemask is neat in that it is unobtrusive. I also like that they left the bumper for the school logo unlike Riddell, Schutt, et al.
#80 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:37 pm |
Unadorned stadiums are gone forever, but some stadiums have successfuly resisted or even pushed back some levels of advertising.
Wrigley Field has, I think someone pointed out here over the summer, some of the smallest amount of advertising of any stadium in sports. It’s also worth mentioning that the Green Monster did not become known as such until after WW II when it was painted green. Prior to that it was covered in advertisements. You can see that here:http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/al/fen700.jpg
and here: http://www.ballparks...
#81 by Teebz on 12.20.06 2:37 pm |
Since the boards on a hockey rink are rarely considered anyone’s jersey or apparel, I think you had better realize what board you’re on. Uniforms can be billboards (Nike), but billboards cannot be uniforms.
And since you fail to take into account that the money generated from the sale of space around the boards to businesses who have a relationship with the teams who advertise them, perhaps you wouldn’t mind NHL teams charging you $300/ticket to sit in the nosebleed section? Since corporate America pays to have their logo on the board, the team, in turn, can use that money any way they feel fit, whether they sign new players, lower ticket prices, or whatever.
Revenue from advertising helps the consumer in this case. If you, Ben, buy any products from anyone who ever advertised on the boards of an NHL rink, shame on you. That would make you, Ben, hypocritical to your own cause.
#82 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:40 pm |
And here’s the history of Wrigley Field:
http://www.ballparks...
#83 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 2:56 pm |
I wonder if Wrigley Field or the Cubs would make more money if they did in fact build a new stadium. Wrigley only cost $250,000!!, but that was way back. Unless the taxes are killing them, the Cubs franchise must be making a lot of $$. But they don’t seem to spend it wisely. Although Mark Prior and Kerry Wood were shit for luck draft picks.
#84 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 3:02 pm |
Actually, come to think of it, didn’t the Cubs just sign Soriano? Pinella I know of. Derek Bell didn’t work out, Clemens would look good in a Cubs uni. Alfonso Soriano is gonna make a difference (I hope) it’s about time they win.
Cubs vs Yankees early World Series prediction. That would be lovely for Mr. Nielson, and me :)
#85 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 3:08 pm |
You had to suffer through Derek Bell too? As an Astros fan we had to deal with his ‘tude for several years. He had one good year and a couple of decent (but not outstanding) years and suddenly he was walking around like he owned the city of Houston and that the Astrodome should be renamed Derek Bell’s Plaza of Greatness.
Any Pirates fans out there remember “Operation Shutdown”? I’m so glad that guy’s out of baseball.
I’m no financial expert, but I’m willing to bet that $250,000 in 1914 dollars is a little bit higher in 2006 dollars. Any financial services folks care to do that conversion?
Last thing, on that website (http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/), you can look back at past ballparks as well. It’s interesting to see how much quicker it was to throw together a stadium back in the day. Even Cleveland’s “Mistake by the Lake” with it’s 75,000 person capacity, only took a little over a year to build.
#86 by Mel H. on 12.20.06 3:20 pm |
Hey I was watching an old NBA Films show on ESPN, and saw that Isaiah Thomas had both his first and last names on the back of his jersey. Is he the only guy who did that? It’s really odd…
#87 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 3:27 pm |
#88 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 3:28 pm |
Somehow the tags didn’t close…
#89 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 3:30 pm |
Derek Bell left his stench on the Mets as well - I don’t think ANYONE wore their uniform sloppier than Derek Bell.
#90 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 3:34 pm |
#91 by Deron Steinke on 12.20.06 3:36 pm |
Since this is a Schutt helmet and the paint color and design was Nike’s imput, Schutt does leave the bumper available for schools, additionally most schools cover both brands with stickers of their school name or mascot.
Also Schutt has to make blank bumpers for the NFL as Riddellhas hte exclusive right to advertising on helmets which is also why you won’t see an Adams chinstrap labeled as such in the NFL.
#92 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 3:40 pm |
I can’t believe it took the Minnesota Twins how long?, to finally figure out that they were lacking this important feature.
#93 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 3:41 pm |
#94 by UwantRadie on 12.20.06 3:42 pm |
Dont forget the constant pushing of his stickers. No offense to a guy trying to make a buck but isnt it a bit ironic that someone that hates logo creeps wants us to buy stickers with HIS logo? What are the stickers for? One would assume so that you could stick them somewhere as a bit of free advertising (technically better then free as we have to buy the stickers). Wouldnt that make us all logo creeps?
Nothing against you Paul, I love your site and your work, just calling a spade a spade.
#95 by Teebz on 12.20.06 3:44 pm |
Absolutely not. European hockey is not financed by billionaires and a league that uses corporate advertising to build a world-class league. The reason they have advertising on their jerseys is so the games remain affordable for the fans who don’t live and die as their teams go. The games in the Japanese Ice Hockey League have tickets as low as $12 for games. The Russian SuperLeague has no tickets that I’ve seen for more than $25 US.
In the case of MoDo in Sweden, perhaps the most famous of the elite European league teams, they are owned by a paper mill. This paper mill is hardly a multi-billion dollar factory. The team, however, gives each of its players an apartment rent-free, a vehicle payment-free, and pay throughout the season. How can they afford this? Advertising all over their jerseys. They already sell the space on their boards, and generate more revenue by allowing teams to outbid each other for a logo on their jerseys.
This goes back to my “uniforms can be billboards, but billboards can’t be uniforms” explanation.
#96 by Teebz on 12.20.06 3:46 pm |
“and generate more revenue by allowing teams to outbid each other for a logo on their jerseys”
That should read “and generate more revenue by allowing businesses to outbid each other for a logo on their jerseys”. Sorry… got a little ahead of myself there.
#97 by E.T. on 12.20.06 3:51 pm |
with all the helmet talk today, it hough this pic is interesting
Vic Emery of the 64 Canadian bobsled team holding what looks like a football helmet with a 2 bar cage. Anyone have an idea if this was the norm back then.
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#98 by UwantRadie on 12.20.06 3:56 pm |
Well, in the movie “Cool Runnings’, I am pretty sure that Doug E. Doug wore a football helmet when they were practicing bobsledding in Jamaica
#99 by Teebz on 12.20.06 4:10 pm |
That is correct. I don’t know if it was the norm, but Vic Emery was the driver. In this picture, a man in the bottom right is holding a helmet as well. It appears to be close to a football helmet.
The Italians from the Innsbruck Games wore other types of helmets, as seen here.
I would guess that the Canadian team picked whatever helmet that his team figured would provide the most protection. Since football p