Another university is doing a public service by putting its visual history on the web. Reader Dan Hardin has the details:
Texas A&M has an ongoing project to digitize historic pictures related to the university. Many are of athletic teams, and touch on some of your favorite uni-related items:
• From pre-1900s baseball, here are some interesting collars and pants.
• Here’s another early baseball shot, with some players with pointed collars and some with turtlenecks, a couple wearing ties, and oh my, the socks! [The "AMC" insignia refers to the school's original name, Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas. And yes, this baseball team sure looks football-ish, but note the bats and gloves in the foreground. -- PL]
• In 1923, the team name was on the placket. This isn’t the greatest picture, but it’s more notable for who’s included — in the back row, second from left, is King Gill, the original A&M “12th Man.” And in the middle of the back row, the tallest one, that’s Pat Olsen, a former major leaguer for whom the A&M baseball stadium is now named.
• The football team of the 1970s featured some interesting stripeage.
• These 1943-44 basketball uniforms, however, were much more unfortunate, at least in my view. [I beg to differ. -- PL]
This is just a sampling. You can access the entire collection here.
The archive is a friggin’ gold mine, whether you’re into baseball (look here, here, here, and here), basketball (here, here [those sneakers!], here, here [love those matching striped kneepads], and here [is that the most amazing jersey design ever or what?]), or football (here, here [note the refs in jackets and bow ties], here, here [ref now in slacks and broadcloth shirt], here, here, here [rear pants striping!], here, here, and here).
Sorry, got a little carried away there, but that’s how good this material is. And there’s a lot more where that came from. Lots of little anomalies, too — two different members of the 1938 football team, for example, were photographed while wearing a No. 57 jersey, and both of them had mismatched numbers on their helmets.
Kudos to Texas A&M for documenting its own history, and thanks again to Dan for the tip.
Duck L’orange L’jaune: By now we’ve all seen the yellow Oregon helmet shown at right. But until yesterday, I hadn’t seen anyone actually wearing the damn thing. That changed last night, when Uni Watch Omaha bureau chief Bryan Redemske sent me a trio of pics that went out over the AP wire but somehow never circulated on the web. Take a look here, here, and here.
They look kinda like motorcycle helmets, no? Fortunately, I already have plans for Thursday night (gonna be attending the annual holiday fish fry at the completely wonderful Sunny’s Tavern, hosted by the even more wonderful Sunny Balzano), so I won’t have to watch the horrid spectacle of the Las Vegas Bowl.
Uni Watch News Ticker: Logo Creep Alert from Travis McGuire, who writes: “I found this photo on the Arena Football web site promoting their new video game. The funny thing is, the Russell Athletic logo on the sleeve is quite large, but it doesn’t appear on this version of the photo, which is on the Chicago Rush home page.” … “Anquan Boldin looks like he needs a belt,” observes Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek, who also sent along this circa-1950 photo of a primitive facemask being worn by Brown goalie (and future U.S. Olympian) Don Whiston. … Yesterday’s post about outdoor basketball prompted several readers to mention that basketball was played on a clay court at the 1936 Olympics (the first year it was a medal sport). Brian Jackson turned up this photo (which doesn’t really show the court, but at least you can tell it’s outside) and a booklet digitized in this PDF file, which includes a player’s recollections of the court (go to the 18th page of the document, which is page 14 of the booklet itself). … Amusing blog entry here about the Redskins’ cheerleaders. There’s also a mention of the now-defunct Steelerettes, who clearly had the best cheerleader unis of all time (further details on them here, but you might wanna hit your mute button first; tip courtesy of Neal Shaffer, who also sent along a page of great Iowa high school patches).
December Call-Up: Attentive readers (which means, y’know, all of you) have undoubtedly noticed my recent references to Uni Watch intern Vince Grzegorek, who scored the trivia quiz and has been helping me out lately with photo research. Tomorrow he joins the active roster, as I’m turning over the blog’s main entry to him for a day. Not gonna tell you what he’s writing about, but I’ll give you a hint: Vince lives just outside of Cleveland, and his debut entry definitely reflects his locale.
Finally, I’m not gonna be around for most of today (Uni Watch hedge fund analyst Jenny Strasburg and I are gonna go see this and this, and then check out what we’re gonna cook for dinner!). So talk amongst yourselves today, treat Vince right tomorrow, and I’ll be back on Friday.
#1 by Ethan R on 12.20.06 8:36 am |
Paul got this one posted early! Good morning everyone!
#2 by Harry on 12.20.06 8:37 am |
Tons of pics of vintage cheerleaders in this group.
And here are pics and stories of the Redskin cheerleader uniforms through the years
#3 by DJL on 12.20.06 9:01 am |
I am glad to hear that Vince is from Cleveland. Northeast Ohio has produces a fair share of Uni Watchers.
Plus, the more I see of this guy, the better.
#4 by dilbert719 on 12.20.06 9:07 am |
Motorcycle helmet? Not a bad way to describe them. Frankly, to me, they make the players look like round-tip highlighter pens.
Liking the X-men Aggies jerseys; it’s interesting, to say the least. The kneepads have to go, but the rest I think is kind of neat.
Also absolutely love the shoulder to shoulder striping on the 70’s football jerseys. That’s a fantastic look.
Not so much, though, the AggTies jersey. Everything is perfect with it except they need to pick either the T or the “Aggies,” and get rid of the other.
I’m wondering which of the AFL football game covers will be coming out. Somehow I’m not surprised that the Rush are on the cover, seeing as they won the Arena Bowl, but the logo creep? Wonder how much that’d cost Russell. On a completely unrelated note, here’s to hoping that Tony Graziani’s pimping the Soul jersey on the third game. ;-)
And don’t worry, Paul, we’ll be good to Vince, I’m sure!
#5 by Bo class of '91 on 12.20.06 9:12 am |
Allright, some Aggie love!
Doesn’t maroon and white look better than that t.u. orange?
#6 by Nolan on 12.20.06 9:16 am |
The other day someone was talking about jaw protection in the NHL. I was looking for a specific one and came up with all of these
Benoit Hogue
Phillipe Boucher
Bill Guerin ignore the jersey…please
Another Joe Sakic
John MacLean
Richard Matvichuck
That’s only from looking at the Dallas Stars photos. I can only assume this means the jaw protection is more common than you might think.
The picture I was looking for and can’t find is of Blake Sloan. There were a few games where he wore a Riddell Kra-Lite face mask on his normal helmet. I’m so pissed there is no record of this.
Any help?
#7 by drjwtexas on 12.20.06 9:18 am |
Also link the extra set of numbers.
And the ties on the two guys in thre front row.
Take Care
Dennis
#8 by Burrill on 12.20.06 9:20 am |
I, too, am not sold on the AggTies jersey. It sounds like a description of a formal event or something. Some places hold black tie events; TAMU holds aggtie events. Or something like that.
That reminds me: every time I see the modern TAMU helmets with the ATM logo, I can’t help but call them the Money Machines.
#9 by Jordan on 12.20.06 9:22 am |
As a uni fan, I’d have to say I like the AggTies jersey, but as a Longhorns fan, I have to say it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.
#10 by ed gaug on 12.20.06 9:22 am |
paul, enjoy the design exhibit, i had the chance to see a bunch of kid robot’s new stuff at an opening show in new haven.
#11 by Chris on 12.20.06 9:29 am |
First off, the basketball jerseys are awesome, the belts fit well. Second, I still don’t get it Ducks and Flames????
#12 by Tim on 12.20.06 9:30 am |
From that one photo, I’m more impressed with the player names. Some great old-time baseball names.
Manor Puckett, Lefty Rogers, Petey Wilson, Bugs Morris, Horace Griffin, King Gill, Pud Johnson and Homer Womack.
#13 by Kenny on 12.20.06 9:30 am |
Sounds like it was pretty miserable to play basketball in the ‘36 Olympics
#14 by Steve C. on 12.20.06 9:30 am |
My favorite part of the Texas A&M photo collection was the fact that in the first baseball picture (the pre-1900s one), four or five of the players had to write the team name on the front of their jerseys in chalk. That’s devotion.
One question: what do the yellow flames have to do with a team named the Ducks?
#15 by Kerry on 12.20.06 9:43 am |
Wow, I’m surprised that no one else has mentioned the suddle logo creep found ON THIS PICTURE.
#16 by Micah on 12.20.06 9:45 am |
Wow, if you look closely on the Oregon helmet, you can even see a Swoosh engraved on the little rubber tab on the facemask…..now that is a little bit gratuitous….
#17 by Micah on 12.20.06 9:46 am |
Kerry, ya just beat me to that when I was typing..LOL.
#18 by Kerry on 12.20.06 9:52 am |
Micah said:
HAHAHAHAAAAAAAA! My evil planned is working…..actually, I was surprised that no one had mentioned it. Usually when I see things like that someone has already mentioned it once I get down to the comments section.
#19 by DVG on 12.20.06 9:57 am |
Wow, if you look closely on the Oregon helmet, you can even see a Swoosh engraved on the little rubber tab on the facemask…..now that is a little bit gratuitous….
Above that, on the faceshield, you can even make out a Nike-based URL:
http://www.nikevisio...
Subtle is Nike’s middle name?
#20 by Dave on 12.20.06 9:57 am |
DJL, here’s your guy on Troy Smith last night
http://photo.the-ozo...
#21 by Dave on 12.20.06 9:59 am |
Actually its not your guy DJL
Who is that guy, I know he was wearing a Browns jacket
#22 by Pat on 12.20.06 9:59 am |
Kerry said:
I saw that, I guess I just wasn’t too surprised. Nike puts that swoosh everywhere. When I was younger I had a pair of Nike basketball shoes and on the soles was one HUGE swoosh. I thought it was so cool at the time because I had Nikes. They will literally put it anywhere.
Anybody know what the “ADAMS” written on his straps means? I checked their roster and didn’t see an Adams anywhere.
#23 by Jason on 12.20.06 10:01 am |
All I could think of when I saw that lead picture was “Degeneration X”. And I’m stopped watching wrestling 10 years ago. What’s wrong with me? Also that looks like some damn fine meat there, Paul. Enjoy!
#24 by joe on 12.20.06 10:02 am |
I’m not opposed to the premise of flames on a helmet, but the flames on the Oregon helmet (like every other part of their uniform) seems poorly executed. That, and I don’t see how you could get flames (or steel diamond plate for that matter) from a Duck mascot. The whole uniform reminds me of a Honda Civic with cheap plastic add-ons purchased from K-Mart – it looks terribly disjointed and un-uniform.
Why don’t they just put some Chinese symbols on the helmet sides (a la Navy) and maybe some gothic script like “Pimpin’ Ain’t Easy” on the jersey nameplates – it would be no more tasteless.
#25 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:07 am |
In other facial protection news, I believe Herb Raglan of the 1991 Quebec Nordiques wore a half cage on his helmet that covered his eyes only. I am looking for a picture, and I know I have it on a hockey card at home. If anyone has a card and wishes to scan the hockey card, please do so.
The half-cage visor has not been work since, to the best of my knowledge.
#26 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:10 am |
“Not been used since” rather than “not been work since”.
Some get me a large double-double. Yes… I know the Americans on here won’t get that. Yes, I’ll gladly explain if someone asks.
#27 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:11 am |
Holy Toledo! “Someone”. I’m now banned until I have a cup of coffee. See you in five minutes.
#28 by Anthony Verna on 12.20.06 10:12 am |
Being a Case Western grad and being in Cleveland when the Browns left, I’m curous about tomorrow’s post now. I still have a fondness for the Indians teams of the time (even though I’m a dyed-in-the-wool Philadelphian).
(Could there be any mention of the rumors of light bulbs that used to be sold from Jacobs’ Field after they burned out? The rumor was that the Tribe slapped the Chief Wahoo logo on the bulb and then mount it.)
#29 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 10:17 am |
To continue yesterdays topic about indoor games played outdoors, turns out the Maple Leafs are interested also.
#30 by Tony Edwards on 12.20.06 10:18 am |
Pat said:
ADAMS manufactures chinstaps.
#31 by Joe Hilseberg on 12.20.06 10:18 am |
The Redskins Cheerleader article has some false info. The Baltimore Colts, not the Steelers, were the first NFL team to have cheerleaders in 1953.
There go the deadskins again…trying to take something else from B-More.
#32 by austin on 12.20.06 10:20 am |
Pat said:
It’s an Adams chinstrap
#33 by specs on 12.20.06 10:20 am |
Teebz said:
Is that a Tim Horton’s reference?
#34 by DJL on 12.20.06 10:21 am |
Dave said:
Dave, I actually posted that jacket last Friday. The stiffarming Elf is my favorite interpretation of the Brownie.
For the Cleveland Uni Watchers, there is a place in Rocky River called GPS Gift Gallery on that specializes in products adorned with the Brownie Elf. The Web site sucks, but the store itself is pretty cool. Lots of autographed memorabilia as well.
#35 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:22 am |
specs said:
Yes. And another subtle hockey reference. :o)
#36 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 10:24 am |
Pat said:
That’s a brand of chinstrap
#37 by Teebz on 12.20.06 10:26 am |
Herb Raglan with a half-cage.
See? That coffee does help.
#38 by Miguel on 12.20.06 10:31 am |
Dave said:
That’s quite a chain on Mr. Smith! I thought he wasn’t accepting money from boosters anymore?
#39 by Rich on 12.20.06 10:36 am |
Kenny said:
wow, 19-8. What a barn-burner! They couldn’t dribble? That must’ve been a sight. So I guess the traveling rule wasn’t invented yet!
#40 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 10:47 am |
Teebz said:
Teebz :) that’s easy, (I spend a lot of time in Canada) you’re talking about Timmy’s -I know, someone beat me to it- but I had to give a shout out to a good coffee franchise, and ex-NHLer. You got a pic of Tim Horton?
#41 by BCrisp on 12.20.06 10:47 am |
Not to steal Dan Hardin’s thunder or anything, but I brought up the Texas A&M Cushing Library site a long time ago.
Chain Letter
Look at comment #5
I guess Dan made a better presentation of it than I did.
No sour grapes here though. It is a great site and most of my destops come from there.
Gig ‘em
#42 by Haze on 12.20.06 10:49 am |
Found this link that shows a prototype of the “smartshirt”, an exoskeleton, and something called liquid body armor
#43 by Patrick McAvoy on 12.20.06 10:57 am |
I read in today’s Arizona Republic that the Coyotes practiced in the new Reebok jerseys set to be unveiled next month. Defenseman Keith Ballard liked the tighter socks but didn’t like the tighter jersey due to lack of freedom of movement. He also said it breatehd less than he was expecting.
I’m assuming other teams have started practicing as well… any spy shots out there?
#44 by Teebz on 12.20.06 11:02 am |
Tim Horton
That unauthorized biography that was just released makes Tim sound like a raving lunatic when it came to running his business.
#45 by Pat on 12.20.06 11:08 am |
Patrick McAvoy said:
Anybody think that this idea will go over as badly as the new ball in the NBA? Seems like the same approach David Stern and company used to introduce the new ball. Introduced it at the all-star game the previous year. Allowed each team to practice with the ball over the offseason and then introduced it very first thing the next season. I think all the hub-bub about the ball was stupid and am kind of upset they are going back to the old ball in the first place. I wonder how hockey players, reporters and fans will react to the new uniform design?
#46 by Ian K on 12.20.06 11:09 am |
two different members of the 1938 football team, for example, were photographed while wearing a No. 57 jersey, and both of them had mismatched numbers on their helmets.
This has Aggie joke written all over it. But from a Texas outsider’s perspective (non-UT or A&M, and non-TX native), Texas A&M holds their traditions more reverently than any school I’ve seen.
#47 by Teebz on 12.20.06 11:11 am |
Pat said:
It is bad for hockey. Period.
At least they aren’t tucking the jerseys in, though. That’s a huge relief.
#48 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 11:13 am |
Teebz said:
awesome
#49 by drjwtexas on 12.20.06 11:17 am |
Again from the A&M web site.
Check out the “Gig Em” symbol on the girl socks.
#50 by drjwtexas on 12.20.06 11:25 am |
Nice shin guards.
Dennis
#51 by joe on 12.20.06 11:29 am |
http://www.gamewornh...
I stumbled across this. Its not the same as the side-link Game-Worn Hockey Jersey Museum. Enjoy.
#52 by Doug Healy on 12.20.06 11:31 am |
Not a fan at all of the Aggie basketball jersey. Am I the only one that sees it as a nod to the Confederacy? In that respect, it makes them more interesting, but for all the wrong reasons, like the Frito Bandito.
#53 by Tim on 12.20.06 11:39 am |
DJL said:
I don’t know how many times I’ve driven past that place, as my sister lives in the area. I guess now I have a reason to stop and have a look.
#54 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 11:50 am |
drjwtexas said:
Ok, what does “Gig Em” mean?
#55 by Kerry on 12.20.06 12:00 pm |
Doug Healy said:
Um…..in a word, “Yes.”
#56 by Seattle Matt on 12.20.06 12:07 pm |
Here’s a picture with the outdoor basketball clay court.
Mexico vs Phillipines
#57 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 12:08 pm |
Metsfan AZ said:
Found an article to answer my own question.
#58 by UwantRadie on 12.20.06 12:22 pm |
I was watching “Rudy” the other night and I noticed that he is the only one that isnt wearing his name on his jersey.
a few questions…
1)Did ND ever really have naems on their jerseys?
2)Was it common practice for players that werent sonsistant players to not have their name on their jersey?
By the way, ona side note, my boss is an ND alum and has met the real Rudy. He says the guy is a total douchebag. Just a note.
#59 by Greg Riffenburgh on 12.20.06 12:24 pm |
Note that the Duck in this picture has a six point chin strap hookup (one on top, two on the bottom) but doesn’t have them all connected. I wanted to bring this up yesterday because I distinctly remember some linemen wearing six point chinstraps. But I couldn’t find any photo evidence. Anyone?
#60 by Greg Riffenburgh on 12.20.06 12:24 pm |
Sorry, this picture.
#61 by Matty L. on 12.20.06 12:34 pm |
Broker75 said:
I don’t see how that’s a good idea as a) BMO is getting a bubble over it in winter so it won’t be outdoors. And b) it’s hardly any bigger then the ACC. They should hold it in the Rogers Centre with the lid open if they want a huge crowd.
On the subject of outdoor sports gone wrong, a charity hockey game that got held in Hamilton during the lockout, “Our Game to Give” was played in a largely empty Ivor Wynne Stadium in a driving rain.
The highlight of the game was Mike Vanderjagt switching from skates to cleats during the second intermission and trying to kick a 30-ish yard field goal from the ice. Unsurprisingly he slipped and fell and the kick was no good.
#62 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 12:56 pm |
Teebz said:
Not only the cage – but behold the majestic beauty that was the Nordiques road uni – loved the fleur-de-lis and even the logo – like the logo on the pants too.
#63 by John from KY on 12.20.06 1:01 pm |
UwantRadie said:
Notre Dame did have names on their jerseys from sometime toward the end of the Ara Parsegian (sp?) era in the early 1970s through the Gerry Faust era in the 1980s. When Lou Holtz came (in 1986 IIRC) he took the names off.
Considering that universities didn’t have these huge equipment contracts like today where they not only get free equipment but get paid to wear a brand, it would make sense that those practice squad walk-ons who only dressed for the final home game would get left-over jerseys without names, etc.
In fact, ND always appeared to be kind of tight regarding recycling uniforms, as I remember them still wearing pants with nylon (not spandex, but the backpack/tent type of nylon) front/knit back in the era when virtually every other team was wearing all knit pants (in those pre-spandex days).
#64 by Philly Bill on 12.20.06 1:07 pm |
Patrick McAvoy said:
I’ve read that a few teams have been using them in practice, including Nashville and, I think, Colorado. Does this photo depict the “new style” practice jersey? I can’t tell: http://www.nashville...
Also, A.I. will continue to wear #3 with the Nuggets, as mentioned deep in the bowels of this article:
http://www.denverpos...
#65 by Teebz on 12.20.06 1:12 pm |
Banker Bill said:
100% with you on that, Banker Bill. One of the best jerseys ever in hockey.
#66 by Jay Palmer on 12.20.06 1:17 pm |
#67 by Peter on 12.20.06 1:27 pm |
I saw this picture on sportsline yesterday during the Iverson hoopla, and I noticed the shoulder pattern. What was the occasion for this jersey? And where can I buy one?
#68 by Peter on 12.20.06 1:28 pm |
Sorry, here’s the link to the picture of AI in his jersey.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp...
#69 by Teebz on 12.20.06 1:33 pm |
Philly Bill said:
Those are the Reebok “Slim-Fit” practice jerseys. You can see more of them here. This is a better view of how they look. Notice that the logo is tiny compared to game jerseys.
The old practice jerseys that were made by CCM and had the JOFA label on them looked like this.
#70 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 1:34 pm |
Peter said:
Several NBA teams played preseason games overseas. To commemorate this, most of the teams worked the colors of the host nation’s flag into their jerseys. The Sixers played against a club team in Barcelona. Red and Orange are the colors of the Spanish flag. http://s389.nxs.nl/f...
Full Story: http://www.nba.com/n...
#71 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 1:36 pm |
Did I say orange? Damn I need coffee. I meant red and gold are the colors of the Spanish flag.
#72 by James on 12.20.06 1:46 pm |
is it just me or does troy smith look exactly like reggie bush
#73 by Ben on 12.20.06 2:07 pm |
I like the new Oregon helmets.
I think they’re pretty damn cool.
And despite what Paul and other posters have been endlessly bleating and shrieking, they aren’t going to cause the world to end or for Nike to take over the world and install Phil Knight as worldwide dictator for life.
Nike spent a good bit of money developing and designing the helmets and I have no problem with Nike making that fact now by putting the swoosh in a prominent position on the helmet, in fact it’d be horrible from a business and marketing standpoint if they didn’t.
As I said in my Saturday Open thread post, this is what the majority of helmets in college and the pros will look like inside of ten years. The trend towards this started a few years back when teams switched to metallic paint on their helmets.
And I find it really hypocritical of Paul to continually bemoan the Logo creep on unis etc, and yet he has said nothing about how every square inch of the boards in every NHL hockey arena has advertising plastered on it so you can barely see the puck anymore.
#74 by al on 12.20.06 2:11 pm |
Teebz said:
I prefer the home jersey, predominantly white with similar flor de lis and such, and I remember the nord logo to be small?
I also loved the away Cleveland Barons’ and home North Star’s jerseys. Also dug the KC Scouts’ logo.
#75 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:20 pm |
Ben said:
Ben, firstly I’m not sure that anyone on this board, let alone Paul is worried Nike will take over the world. There is nothing wrong (at least in my opinion) of Nike or any other manufacturer putting their logo on a piece of equipment or apparel that they manufacture. But rather it’s HOW they do it. But a uniform is much more than just apparel. It’s the connection between a fan and their team (which itself is an increasingly harder concept to realize as athletes continue to make more and more money and act like they are above the game they play and the team they play for).
I don’t pretend to speak for Paul, but I think the majority of people who dislike Oregon’s new helmet do so simply because it’s ugly. Alsothe majority of people would think so if the design originated with Nike, Reebok, Adidas, or some Joe Schmo in Anytown, USA. Someone asked it earlier: what exactly do flames have to do with a team that’s nickname is the Ducks?
And if you don’t think logos can get out of control, they can: http://oilerfan64.tr...
#76 by Steve C. on 12.20.06 2:23 pm |
Ben said:
This is what most pro and college football helmets will look like in ten years??! Uh oh. Well, Congress is already involved in steroids in baseball, so maybe we could get them to pass a law stating that all football teams must immediately switch to helmets that look like Penn State’s.
Speaking seriously, you’re probably right about the Oregon helmets being trend-setters, though that doesn’t mean I can’t still pine for the days of the old Patriots helmets!
#77 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:23 pm |
Ok, that logo creep photo didn’t work, so hopefully this one will: http://216.92.65.7/i...
#78 by Pat on 12.20.06 2:26 pm |
James said:
A little bit, but I’m still going to say it’s just you.
Troy.
Reggie.
On second thought… I think they do look a lot a like. Troy looks a lot like an unpolished Reggie Bush.
#79 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 2:31 pm |
Ben said:
Corporate logos in stadiums have never been the focus of anti logo creep. Those are ads. The main issue is the manufacturer of the equipment/uniform putting their logo on it. As Paul has said before, I want to root for my team not the company that made their uniforms. That being said, unadorned stadiums are gone forever. I actually think the subtle logo on the facemask is neat in that it is unobtrusive. I also like that they left the bumper for the school logo unlike Riddell, Schutt, et al.
#80 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:37 pm |
Unadorned stadiums are gone forever, but some stadiums have successfuly resisted or even pushed back some levels of advertising.
Wrigley Field has, I think someone pointed out here over the summer, some of the smallest amount of advertising of any stadium in sports. It’s also worth mentioning that the Green Monster did not become known as such until after WW II when it was painted green. Prior to that it was covered in advertisements. You can see that here:http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/al/fen700.jpg
and here: http://www.ballparks...
#81 by Teebz on 12.20.06 2:37 pm |
Ben said:
Since the boards on a hockey rink are rarely considered anyone’s jersey or apparel, I think you had better realize what board you’re on. Uniforms can be billboards (Nike), but billboards cannot be uniforms.
And since you fail to take into account that the money generated from the sale of space around the boards to businesses who have a relationship with the teams who advertise them, perhaps you wouldn’t mind NHL teams charging you $300/ticket to sit in the nosebleed section? Since corporate America pays to have their logo on the board, the team, in turn, can use that money any way they feel fit, whether they sign new players, lower ticket prices, or whatever.
Revenue from advertising helps the consumer in this case. If you, Ben, buy any products from anyone who ever advertised on the boards of an NHL rink, shame on you. That would make you, Ben, hypocritical to your own cause.
#82 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 2:40 pm |
And here’s the history of Wrigley Field:
http://www.ballparks...
#83 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 2:56 pm |
Matthew S. said:
I wonder if Wrigley Field or the Cubs would make more money if they did in fact build a new stadium. Wrigley only cost $250,000!!, but that was way back. Unless the taxes are killing them, the Cubs franchise must be making a lot of $$. But they don’t seem to spend it wisely. Although Mark Prior and Kerry Wood were shit for luck draft picks.
#84 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 3:02 pm |
Actually, come to think of it, didn’t the Cubs just sign Soriano? Pinella I know of. Derek Bell didn’t work out, Clemens would look good in a Cubs uni. Alfonso Soriano is gonna make a difference (I hope) it’s about time they win.
Cubs vs Yankees early World Series prediction. That would be lovely for Mr. Nielson, and me :)
#85 by Matthew S. on 12.20.06 3:08 pm |
Broker75 said:
You had to suffer through Derek Bell too? As an Astros fan we had to deal with his ‘tude for several years. He had one good year and a couple of decent (but not outstanding) years and suddenly he was walking around like he owned the city of Houston and that the Astrodome should be renamed Derek Bell’s Plaza of Greatness.
Any Pirates fans out there remember “Operation Shutdown”? I’m so glad that guy’s out of baseball.
I’m no financial expert, but I’m willing to bet that $250,000 in 1914 dollars is a little bit higher in 2006 dollars. Any financial services folks care to do that conversion?
Last thing, on that website (http://www.ballparks...), you can look back at past ballparks as well. It’s interesting to see how much quicker it was to throw together a stadium back in the day. Even Cleveland’s “Mistake by the Lake” with it’s 75,000 person capacity, only took a little over a year to build.
#86 by Mel H. on 12.20.06 3:20 pm |
Hey I was watching an old NBA Films show on ESPN, and saw that Isaiah Thomas had both his first and last names on the back of his jersey. Is he the only guy who did that? It’s really odd…
#87 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 3:27 pm |
#88 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 3:28 pm |
Somehow the tags didn’t close…
#89 by Banker Bill on 12.20.06 3:30 pm |
Derek Bell left his stench on the Mets as well – I don’t think ANYONE wore their uniform sloppier than Derek Bell.
#90 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 3:34 pm |
#91 by Deron Steinke on 12.20.06 3:36 pm |
Metsfan AZ said:
Since this is a Schutt helmet and the paint color and design was Nike’s imput, Schutt does leave the bumper available for schools, additionally most schools cover both brands with stickers of their school name or mascot.
Also Schutt has to make blank bumpers for the NFL as Riddellhas hte exclusive right to advertising on helmets which is also why you won’t see an Adams chinstrap labeled as such in the NFL.
#92 by Broker75 on 12.20.06 3:40 pm |
Matthew S. said:
I can’t believe it took the Minnesota Twins how long?, to finally figure out that they were lacking this important feature.
#93 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 3:41 pm |
#94 by UwantRadie on 12.20.06 3:42 pm |
Ben said:
Dont forget the constant pushing of his stickers. No offense to a guy trying to make a buck but isnt it a bit ironic that someone that hates logo creeps wants us to buy stickers with HIS logo? What are the stickers for? One would assume so that you could stick them somewhere as a bit of free advertising (technically better then free as we have to buy the stickers). Wouldnt that make us all logo creeps?
Nothing against you Paul, I love your site and your work, just calling a spade a spade.
#95 by Teebz on 12.20.06 3:44 pm |
Metsfan AZ said:
Absolutely not. European hockey is not financed by billionaires and a league that uses corporate advertising to build a world-class league. The reason they have advertising on their jerseys is so the games remain affordable for the fans who don’t live and die as their teams go. The games in the Japanese Ice Hockey League have tickets as low as $12 for games. The Russian SuperLeague has no tickets that I’ve seen for more than $25 US.
In the case of MoDo in Sweden, perhaps the most famous of the elite European league teams, they are owned by a paper mill. This paper mill is hardly a multi-billion dollar factory. The team, however, gives each of its players an apartment rent-free, a vehicle payment-free, and pay throughout the season. How can they afford this? Advertising all over their jerseys. They already sell the space on their boards, and generate more revenue by allowing teams to outbid each other for a logo on their jerseys.
This goes back to my “uniforms can be billboards, but billboards can’t be uniforms” explanation.
#96 by Teebz on 12.20.06 3:46 pm |
“and generate more revenue by allowing teams to outbid each other for a logo on their jerseys”
That should read “and generate more revenue by allowing businesses to outbid each other for a logo on their jerseys”. Sorry… got a little ahead of myself there.
#97 by E.T. on 12.20.06 3:51 pm |
with all the helmet talk today, it hough this pic is interesting
Vic Emery of the 64 Canadian bobsled team holding what looks like a football helmet with a 2 bar cage. Anyone have an idea if this was the norm back then.
http://archives.cbc....
#98 by UwantRadie on 12.20.06 3:56 pm |
Well, in the movie “Cool Runnings’, I am pretty sure that Doug E. Doug wore a football helmet when they were practicing bobsledding in Jamaica
#99 by Teebz on 12.20.06 4:10 pm |
E.T. said:
That is correct. I don’t know if it was the norm, but Vic Emery was the driver. In this picture, a man in the bottom right is holding a helmet as well. It appears to be close to a football helmet.
The Italians from the Innsbruck Games wore other types of helmets, as seen here.
I would guess that the Canadian team picked whatever helmet that his team figured would provide the most protection. Since football players run into each other and crack skulls, that might have been their choice.
#100 by bg on 12.20.06 4:17 pm |
Ben said:
I think there is a difference between logo creep on uniforms and ads in stadiums and arenas. there have always been ads posted all over parks and stadiums; ‘bullpen’ came from the bull durham tobacco ad hanging over an area where the pitchers warmed up.
#101 by junkland on 12.20.06 4:26 pm |
In the new movie, Rocky Balboa is wearing “Jumpman” boxing shoes.
#102 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 4:28 pm |
Teebz said:
TEEBZ!! Hockey guru this side of the pond AND across! Thanks for the info.
#103 by Stuby on 12.20.06 4:34 pm |
Banker Bill said:
Combine the sloppy uni with the porno ’stache and the faceful of copenhagen and he was a joy to behold. To me, he always looked like he just woke up.
#104 by Minna H on 12.20.06 4:39 pm |
Broker75 said:
Broker75, the Twins have wanted an outdoor park (if that is what you’re saying) for as long as the Minneapolis Marshmallow has been up. It’s just that the MN public has not wanted to PAY for it and had successfully blocked public funding until the local government rammed it through—taxation without representation at its finest.
#105 by ML on 12.20.06 4:39 pm |
Paul, the plate you have your dinner on is shaped exactly like the Oregon “O”.
Coincidence?
#106 by Fraser on 12.20.06 4:44 pm |
Check out these facemasks from womens field hockey
rip hamiltons got nothing on them
#107 by Stuby on 12.20.06 4:45 pm |
Minna H said:
I can’t tell the difference between the Twins new stadium and the new ones in Philly, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Detroit, etc. I guess that’s bound to happen when one Architectural company designs everything. Its close to being a cookie-cutter stadium epidemic.
#108 by Minna H on 12.20.06 4:48 pm |
UwantRadie said:
UWantRadie, I disagree. Paul is not constantly pushing the tattoos, and he is doing it for a free site that we all enjoy. Besides (and I’m not speaking for Paul—he has said something similar in the past), he is not against logos per se, just the wanton and rampant placement of the logo. Paul is not asking us to slap a tattoo on each arm, leg, neck, face, shin, chest, etc. He might not object (except under the pretext that it isn’t aesthetically pleasing)
Ah, hell. Paul can explain it better himself. Read here under Tattoo Update.
#109 by Metsfan AZ on 12.20.06 4:48 pm |
Fraser said:
…fava beans and chianti…
Shouldn’t underarmour be “under” something?
#110 by ToasterPoodle on 12.20.06 4:49 pm |
Pat said:
A better way to say it might be that Troy looks a lot like a Reggie Bush who can also throw
#111 by Minna H on 12.20.06 4:52 pm |
Minna H said:
Wow. I need to re-read before I post. Was going to say, He might not object (except under the pretext that it isn’t aesthetically pleasing)
, but he’s not asking for that.
And now, I’m quoting myself. How depressingly redundant.
#112 by Minna H on 12.20.06 4:56 pm |
Stuby said:
Stuby, I heard that. We HAD an outdoor stadium called the MET. It was torn down when the Dome was built. The Megamall’s parking lot now stands where the Met used to be.
#113 by Stuby on 12.20.06 5:04 pm |
Minna H said:
And the Vikings haven’t been the same since.
#114 by dchis on 12.20.06 5:33 pm |
Minna H said:
The problem with your theory, Stuby, that the new parks in Philly, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Detroit is that you can’t just look at an overhead long shot of the stadium and truly see what is neat about those stadiums. Each one has idiosyncrasies that make it unique and special. Comerica Park is breathtaking. When I went to a game there the second season it was around I said that this is the coolest ballpark I had been in other than Fenway Park (and that’s saying alot). I’ve been to Yankee Stadium, Oriole Park at Camden Yards, Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, Turner Field, Shea Stadium, Dodger Stadium, Chase Field (Bank One Ballpark), Angels Field, Qualcomm Stadium, Veterans Stadium, Citizens Bank Park, Jacobs Field, Cleveland Municipal Stadium, Cynergy Field (Cincinnatti old), Three Rivers Stadium (Pittsburgh old), The New Comisky Park (AT&T Park), Coors Field, Tiger Stadium, Comerica Park, Fenway Park and I think that is it. All of them were interesting in some way or another. The old Cookie Cutters were awful though. Atlanta, Cincinnatti, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia were just awful ballparks, Philly was fun because the crowd is fun other than that all those stadiums looked the same from the inside out. These new stadiums do not look the same when you go and visit them. Philly has a ver interesting layout with beasutiful brickwork. The outfield is fun to sit in because the entire field of play is not visible same with the Jake, also the bullpens in right-center and the scoreboards and the big Liberty Bell it’s really unique to itself. Detroit’s has monuments and statues all over the place and is the biggest field of play I have ever seen and I was sad to see that they moved the fences in but it is very historic to walk around in and very nicely made. None of these compare to Fenway Park and I hope that that Park is never torn down, that will be a sad day if it ever comes.
Sorry for the long post but these ballparks are very unique.
#115 by bg on 12.20.06 5:34 pm |
really..ugle….adidas.
http://img.photobuck...
#116 by bg on 12.20.06 5:40 pm |
dchis said:
Yup, as far as I know, when I sit in the cheap seats at PacBell-SBC-AT&T Park and look over my shoulder at The Bay..or over my other shoulder to see the GGB, I am fairly sure there’s no other park in the world that has that view. Just sayin’.
#117 by Bill T. on 12.20.06 5:42 pm |
I like the first Aggies baseball pic. Can’t help but think of this guy.
#118 by Chuck Ryals on 12.20.06 5:54 pm |
Pat said:
this has the makings of a TRAIN WRECK! messing with tradition. how do you change the original six teams unis?
#119 by redemske on 12.20.06 6:11 pm |
Derek Bell never played for the Cubs.
#120 by Stuby on 12.20.06 6:13 pm |
bg said:
Sometimes it feels like the quaintness and charm is being forced, though. I never really went to a ballgame for the view outside the stadium. I guess I just miss my freezing August nights at the ‘Stick.
And not to sound like a wise-ass, but its the Bay Bridge you can see from the SF ballpark.
#121 by Andy from KC on 12.20.06 6:22 pm |
junkland said:
Yeah, I posted a pic yesterday. I thought it was interesting because they’re these shoes, i.e., Roy Jones Jr. shoes. Not what I’d wear if I was in the ring with Antonio Tarver, but that’s just me.
#122 by blakeruns on 12.20.06 6:35 pm |
maybe ive missed it among the past few days
but i am SO PERPLEXED
let me begin by saying
i like the new Oregon helmets
in the sense of colour and first glance appereance
i think the changing shades depending on angle
and lighting is a neat idea.
HOWEVER
WHYYYYYY are there flames on it?
why? why? why?
there is absolutely NO reason that makes any sense
to put flames on the helmet of the Ducks.
can anyone make some sense out of this for me
i dont see any logic behind
other than simply
“because we can”
which is deplorable in my opinion
it seems like nike has been reading this board
and tried to offend us when they designed these.
#123 by Charles M. on 12.20.06 7:21 pm |
The University of Pittsburgh has historic photos on its website, too: Historic Pittsburgh. They have pictures of old Pitt teams (including 1889 WUP–Pitt’s former name–football here), old Pirates pictures, and high school sports teams. Click on images, then search the archives.
#124 by Frank Mercogliano on 12.20.06 7:29 pm |
Was reading the Salt Lake Tribune on the plane on the way to play Illinois in basketball on Thursday, and I came across this article about Oregon’s uniforms, with a little shout out to Paul in it as well.
Frank
#125 by redemske on 12.20.06 7:33 pm |
Chuck Ryals said:
Stop freaking out. They’re just changing the fabric template on which the jerseys are created. Rather than a body and two sleeves as the basis for the jersey, there may be more panels sewn in. But that doesn’t mean they’ll all be different colors or something.
And that doesn’t mean every jersey is going to look the same. They’ll be tighter, but that’s probably going to be about it in most cases. Do you thing the Red Wings, Bruins, Canadiens, etc. are going to trash their uniforms after 9,000 years? Jesus, relax.
#126 by redemske on 12.20.06 7:36 pm |
Frank Mercogliano said:
that dude only butchered the name of the blog a little bit. yikes.
#127 by Burrill on 12.20.06 8:12 pm |
As far as the baseball park topic goes, I must profess that I, like Stuby, prefer the older enclosed ballparks to the new open parks. I have been to Comerica Park a few times, and it really isn’t bad at all, but for me, there’s nothing like experiencing a game in a closed park like the old Tigers Stadium. It just feels right. (I will freely admit that this is a matter of opinion.)
As far as Comerica’s nods to history, yes, they did a nice job with that. But even with an acknowledgment of history, you can’t build history into a park. Of course, that is true of every new park. It takes time to let history seep into a park, and I hope the Tigers do just that with Comerica so that it begins to feel storied and great. But for that, only time will tell.
Concerning the new hockey jerseys: I think the comparison to the new-and-soon-to-be-old-new basketball is a good one, simply because it prompts the same question in my mind. Was it needed? I heard nothing (outside league offices) about the old ball being outdated and inadequate, and I hear nothing (outside league offices) about the current hockey jerseys being outdated and inadequate. So is a change really warranted or necessary?
(Teebz, I already know your answer!)
#128 by Kevin Dugal on 12.20.06 8:13 pm |
hey, looking for an original Mighty Ducks jersey, the ones from the first movie. Anyone know where to find one, or any compaies that would do custom made jerseys?
#129 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 12.20.06 8:24 pm |
jesus, what the hell do you think the street value of troy smith’s torso is?
a. the diamond encrusted chain
b. the mitchell and ness browns jacket
its gotta be a 25,000 chain at least, and the jacket is 400.
that is just 1 nights gear! ahhh, remember when you were a senior in college and how much of a struggle is was to buy a 38 dollar pair of gap jeans? i do… and i also remember that the value of what troy was wearing was equivalent to 6 times what i bought my college car for…
but i guess thats typical gear for a kid from cleveland… i hope vince can back me up on that tomorrow…
#130 by Travis on 12.20.06 8:29 pm |
Does anyone know if Oregon will be wearing only Schutt DNA helmets? All of the photos showed only that one style.
#131 by maximumK on 12.20.06 8:53 pm |
The old Cookie Cutters were awful though. Atlanta, Cincinnatti, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia were just awful ballparks
Hey now, don’t forget the original cookie cutter
Though it started this horiffic trend, it’ll be sad to see RFK go down. The tradition instilled in that place by the Redskins of yore still seeps out of every nook and cranny of that stadium. Even when I go to a Nationals game, I can’t help but think about the great football that was played on that field.
#132 by Minna H on 12.20.06 8:58 pm |
Burrill said:
Because NOTHING says tradition like ‘Comerica Park’. I can’t wait to see what the new MN stadium will be called. There are people who want it named Kirby Puckett Stadium, but we all know the chances of THAT happening. Maybe they will call it the 3M Stadium—at least that’s a local company.
It’ll probably be called Comcast Stadium, or, worse yet, Qwest Stadium.
Harumph. Bah, humbug.
M. Scrooge.
#133 by Minna H on 12.20.06 9:02 pm |
todd krevanchi (krvanch) said:
Too bad that necklace is butt-ugly. If you’re going to spend the equivalent of a samall country’s GNP (is that the abbreviation I want?) on a meaningless piece of jewelry, at least have the good sense to make sure it looks good.
#134 by Minna H on 12.20.06 9:06 pm |
small country. My fingers don’t know what the hell they are typing, and the lag between the time I type and the time the words show up doesn’t help.
#135 by Big Green on 12.20.06 9:16 pm |
So Iverson is getting to keep his same number. Not quite used to it in baby blue.
#136 by My Name is Not Earl on 12.20.06 9:22 pm |
Yeah, but when you got out of college, did you have a million-dollar job waiting for you so that you could pay off whatever those things cost?
#137 by Burrill on 12.20.06 9:49 pm |
Minna H said:
Yeah, I’m with you on that. I’d like a stadium to be named after important figures in the organization’s history, but I guess that’s not really realistic anymore. And I guess corporate naming is another issue.
But hey, as bad as the Lions are, at least their stadium came as close as possible to being named after someone important to the organization. (Even if Ford Field is actually named after the company, and even if most people blame the Fords for the franchise’s problems.)
This is what I appreciate about going to Michigan Stadium. No corporate name, and no advertisements. It’s very refreshing.
Oh, and Minna, I see the U of Minnesota’s new football stadium is going to be named TCF Bank Stadium. It really warms your heart and makes you think of Minnesota football, doesn’t it?
On the naming note, there were a number of people who wanted Ann Arbor to name its yet-under-construction third high school after Bo Schembechler. But the school board has adopted a policy of refusing to name buildings after people, so they said no way. And now the new high school has the amazingly unique, immediately-makes-you-think-of-Ann-Arbor name of Skyline High School. Sounds like a suburb or a subdivision to me. Of course, their other option was Northcrest, which is even more of a subdivision name.
They refuse to name buildings after people because they say there are too many worthy candidates, and they dismissed the idea of Schembechler High by saying Bo didn’t really do much of anything for Ann Arbor schools. At which point I wonder if Chelsea schools should rename Beach Middle School, named after a World War II general who came from Chelsea and probably, by Ann Arbor standards, didn’t do much for Chelsea schools, either.
Honestly, I wasn’t really set on the idea of Schembechler High; it wasn’t the rejection of the name that bothered me so much as it was the attitude toward naming buildings after people.
Anyway. Meanwhile, back at the topic…
#138 by bg on 12.20.06 10:24 pm |
Stuby said:
you are COMPLETELY correct. All those park name changes have me turned around.
#139 by maximumK on 12.21.06 12:19 am |
very cool name and number font for Western Michigan’s basketball team. Couldn’t find a picture of the back, but it looks much the same as the front. WMU
#140 by Bob A on 12.21.06 12:31 am |
I recently came across this Ebbets Field site that I don’t recall being mentioned previously. Not a ton of uni pics but there is a gallery of logos and patches and a really great photo of Casey Stengel from very early in his career sporting a nice pair of sunglasses.
#141 by Sammy on 12.21.06 12:55 am |
Burrill said:
In both cases, the change wasn’t exactly necessary, in my opinion, but there was a chance for improvement, and that was enough for Stern and the NHL guys to start implementing the change. The old leather was obviously not environmentally friendly, and the commish wanted to make the consistency of the ball better, so he hired the Spalding people to come up with the synthetic one; a good idea, just poor execution, it seems to me.
As for the NHL jerseys, they probably could have gone forever with the loose sweaters, but somebody thought it would be a good idea to make them tighter, faster, lighter, so the game moves faster (less holding) and the players can last longer (less heat fatigue). I’m all for it, mostly. I think a major problem will be with the new panel template, and how it may force bad changes in classic or otherwise good designs. The shirt being tucked into the pants is a separate issue, but still a major problem with the new design.
I think these innovations will eventually work themselves out for the better, as everything in sports does. Remember, the forward pass, hockey helmets, and the Wild Card were all new once, and met with much resistance.
#142 by Teebz on 12.21.06 1:03 am |
redemske said:
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The players have said they don’t like them, yet Reebok is trying to force the changes through. If Reebok/Adidas wants to change anything, try making the equipment smaller and lighter, yet just as durable. That would solve the “huge” jersey problem in a heartbeat.
But no, they take the easy way out and redesign the jerseys because that’s where they’ll make the most money. Do you think Zdeno Chara’s 6′9″ 260lbs. frame will look sleeker and smaller and faster in a redesigned jersey? Because that’s how Reebok is marketing these new jerseys.
#143 by Minna H on 12.21.06 1:11 am |
Burrill said:
Yeah, especially since the government rammed through public funding for this stadium, too. I have a friend who works at the U who is pissed at the name. At least we still have THE BARN!
Oh, Burrill. I think I am upgrading you to full-time cynic—I can’t carry the load by myself.
p.s. I agree with you about the attitude of disdain towards the idea of using Bo’s name—disturbing.
#144 by Minna H on 12.21.06 1:13 am |
Teebz said:
Pleez, Teebz, tell us how you really feel. I am glad you can retain the fire because I get worn down fighting for my pet causes. Power to the Puckman!
#145 by Teebz on 12.21.06 1:14 am |
Sammy said:
Exactly what is “heat fatigue”? Fatigue indicates tiredness of the muscles/mind, and your exciting new term would indicate that the players get overheated. This might be the case for a small percentage of players, but CCM changed their jersey design long before Reebok got into the mix. The players appreciate the Cool-Flo jerseys, and this “heat fatigue” you speak of is a thing of a the past.
And I’m not sure about you, but there aren’t a ton of NHL players who hold a player by grabbing their jersey and get away with it. In fact, I’d say less than 5% of holding penalties or obstruction penalites are because someone is tugging on a jersey. The number one called penalty in the game right now? Hooking. Not holding. In fact, holding is number three, behind hooking and interference. So going to a tighter fitting jersey, as it stands right now, appears to be a Reebok/NHL money grab. If you’re gonna rob the fans blind, at least be honest with them. That way, they have no one to blame but themselves.
And since I broke the news about the NHLPA blocking the tuck-in rule, the jerseys will NOT be tucked in the pants next season.
#146 by Chris on 12.21.06 2:17 am |
The Nets wore their God aweful red alternates. Stick to the basic team colors guys. Pretty terrible
#147 by Chris on 12.21.06 5:37 am |
It seems like to me most of the people here just can’t make up your mind about this logo creep issue. Face it logos are going to be on products so you can’t complain when the logos are big and also when the logos are small, like the swoosh on the Oregon facemask. It’s just business. If someone makes a product its only good business to put your logo on it, so its only natural when shoes, jerseys, gloves, sweatbands, visors, etc end up being made by the same company you end up with lots of logos. None of that is even “logo creep” in my opinion since its all different products. It benefits companies everyone is familiar with like Nike…I mean who would have known of the Nike Vision website if it wasn’t on the visor
#148 by Kerry on 12.21.06 11:19 am |
Chris said:
I like the red jerseys.