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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-82947</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 07:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^^ Namath talks about it in his book 12 I believe... forgot to add that sorry</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-82944</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 07:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;em&gt;[quote comment=&quot;18355&quot;]was on the 1969 College All-Star Game page and the Jets (who should&#039;ve lost the game) are wearing what looks like training camp jerseys.[/quote]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

If I remember correctly Joe Namath talks about how the Jets were the only team that didn&#039;t wear game uniforms furing preseason games during his tenure with the team.</description>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Chris said:</p>
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was on the 1969 College All-Star Game page and the Jets (who should&#8217;ve lost the game) are wearing what looks like training camp jerseys.</p>
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<p>If I remember correctly Joe Namath talks about how the Jets were the only team that didn&#8217;t wear game uniforms furing preseason games during his tenure with the team.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-19002</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Buffalo Bills put the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buffalobills.com/history/WallofFame-The12thMan.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;12th Man&quot;&lt;/a&gt; on their &quot;Wall of Fame&quot; in 1992 (the year after they set the NFL single season attendance record).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Buffalo Bills put the <a href="http://www.buffalobills.com/history/WallofFame-The12thMan.jsp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">&#8220;12th Man&#8221;</a> on their &#8220;Wall of Fame&#8221; in 1992 (the year after they set the NFL single season attendance record).</p>
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		<title>By: J W Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18791</link>
		<dc:creator>J W Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18475&quot;][quote comment=&quot;18449&quot;]Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I&#039;m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled &quot;Red&quot;. I mean, come on. And it&#039;s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.

Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.[/quote]

You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black &lt;a href=&quot;http://lohud.com/blogs/uploaded_images/AAFC033~Larry-Bird-Kevin-McHale-1-Photofile-Posters-770440.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stripes&lt;/a&gt; have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used &lt;a href=&quot;http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/7e/full.getty-&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;black&lt;/a&gt; this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today,&lt;strong&gt; his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference.&lt;/strong&gt; Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]
I&#039;ve clearly pissed some people off, including the amazing Semantics professor above, but this wasn&#039;t my intention. I &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; talking about a permanent memorial patch, but I also agree with those who think that black shouldn&#039;t (and doesn&#039;t)have the monopoly on memorial patches.

I still think a red shamrock, for either purpose, makes better design sense. If they had used a red shamrock, they wouldnâ€™t have even needed to put the lettering on there. It could just be shorthand for â€œRed.â€ Then, the patch wouldnâ€™t have to be so big. They also wouldnâ€™t have had to compromise on the type style to make the lettering fit within the shamrock form (which it looks like they did do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">dchis said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">J W Buchanan said:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18449"><p>
Count me among the guys who think that the black shamrock looks kind of stupid. Mostly, I&#8217;m stupefied by the idea of a black shamrock labeled &#8220;Red&#8221;. I mean, come on. And it&#8217;s labeled in green embroidery, making it doubly innacurate.</p>
<p>Why not a red shamrock? It would make a pretty nice permanent addition to the jersey, maybe replacing that otherwise arbitrary new shamrock on the back, below the collar.</p>
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<p>You my friend need to think about this a little more. Many people on this board have said that the color black is the most appropriate color for mourning a death. Black <a href="http://lohud.com/blogs/uploaded_images/AAFC033~Larry-Bird-Kevin-McHale-1-Photofile-Posters-770440.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">stripes</a> have been used before by many sports teams for this purpose. The Minnesotta Twins used <a href="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/7e/full.getty-" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">black</a> this year for Kirby Puckett and no one said anything about that color not being the correct color for the occasion. The Celtics made the exact right decision with going with black. As has also been said here today,<strong> his name is Red. Why would you do a red logo? His name is Red. He is not the color red, big difference.</strong> Also, what if this happened for someone named Gray. Gray is a lot more common than Red for a name but would you say that the team messed up with using black and should have used gray instead? Insane!?!?!?!?!?</p>
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<p>I&#8217;ve clearly pissed some people off, including the amazing Semantics professor above, but this wasn&#8217;t my intention. I <em>was</em> talking about a permanent memorial patch, but I also agree with those who think that black shouldn&#8217;t (and doesn&#8217;t)have the monopoly on memorial patches.</p>
<p>I still think a red shamrock, for either purpose, makes better design sense. If they had used a red shamrock, they wouldnâ€™t have even needed to put the lettering on there. It could just be shorthand for â€œRed.â€ Then, the patch wouldnâ€™t have to be so big. They also wouldnâ€™t have had to compromise on the type style to make the lettering fit within the shamrock form (which it looks like they did do).</p>
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		<title>By: a arauz</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18741</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18625&quot;][quote comment=&quot;18597&quot;]Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I&#039;m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/pittsburgh/BrierePit.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michel Briere&lt;/a&gt; resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006SVIUM.01-AHW8KRDTE3CL0._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deficit&lt;/a&gt; on their team![/quote]
While I am actually a Habs fan Kane I do pay the Pens special attention as Crosby and I both hail from the same part of Canada, (Nova Scotia) and with the impending glory for the Pens,(Crosby,Fleury,Malkin,Staal et al) I think now would be the ideal time for a Jersey overhaul. Some combination of new and old (70&#039;s colors and logo with a modern touch)would be awesome! Michel Briere, one of the lesser known tragedies in all of sports!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Bri%C3%A8re[/quote]

This story reminds me of Troy Archer. Giants DE real promising rookie or two year man died in a auto accident in 1979, right before the Giants were able to luck into LT..... very sad as he was a lone light (along w/ Harry Carson) on some miserable Giants&#039; teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">bluenoser said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kane said:</p>
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Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I&#8217;m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of <a href="http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/pittsburgh/BrierePit.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michel Briere</a> resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring <a href="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006SVIUM.01-AHW8KRDTE3CL0._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">deficit</a> on their team!</p>
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<p>While I am actually a Habs fan Kane I do pay the Pens special attention as Crosby and I both hail from the same part of Canada, (Nova Scotia) and with the impending glory for the Pens,(Crosby,Fleury,Malkin,Staal et al) I think now would be the ideal time for a Jersey overhaul. Some combination of new and old (70&#8217;s colors and logo with a modern touch)would be awesome! Michel Briere, one of the lesser known tragedies in all of sports!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Bri%C3%A8re" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Bri%C3%A8re' target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia....</a></p>
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<p>This story reminds me of Troy Archer. Giants DE real promising rookie or two year man died in a auto accident in 1979, right before the Giants were able to luck into LT&#8230;.. very sad as he was a lone light (along w/ Harry Carson) on some miserable Giants&#8217; teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18679</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not unprecedented for a team to wear a non black mourning patch / band.
When Cotton Fitzimmons died prior to the 04-05 NBA season, the Suns wore a WHITE band in memory of Cotton:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nba.com/media/suns/sat05_defrisco_qtrophy.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On orange jersey&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nba.com/media/suns/march05_blazers_johnson.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On white jersey&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nba.com/media/suns/april05_goldenstate_stoudemire.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On purple jersey&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not unprecedented for a team to wear a non black mourning patch / band.<br />
When Cotton Fitzimmons died prior to the 04-05 NBA season, the Suns wore a WHITE band in memory of Cotton:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nba.com/media/suns/sat05_defrisco_qtrophy.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">On orange jersey</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nba.com/media/suns/march05_blazers_johnson.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">On white jersey</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nba.com/media/suns/april05_goldenstate_stoudemire.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">On purple jersey</a></p>
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		<title>By: Teebz</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18649</link>
		<dc:creator>Teebz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18638&quot;]

Well, you definitely are no stranger to great looking jerseys/sweaters then. The tragedy is compounded when you consider the fact that the Briere ambulance struck and killed a man on the way to the hospital. It was nice to see his number retired despite his singular season in the league. Classy move.[/quote]

I&#039;ll second that. Highly classy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kane said:</p>
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<p>Well, you definitely are no stranger to great looking jerseys/sweaters then. The tragedy is compounded when you consider the fact that the Briere ambulance struck and killed a man on the way to the hospital. It was nice to see his number retired despite his singular season in the league. Classy move.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;ll second that. Highly classy.</p>
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		<title>By: Teebz</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18648</link>
		<dc:creator>Teebz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 04:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18597&quot;]Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I&#039;m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/pittsburgh/BrierePit.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michel Briere&lt;/a&gt; resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006SVIUM.01-AHW8KRDTE3CL0._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deficit&lt;/a&gt; on their team![/quote]

I hardly think the Penguins jerseys can be viewed as a deficit. It&#039;s not like they wear them on the ice anymore. Between the youth movement in Pittsburgh and the Barney Rubble Hairpieces starting the season 12-0-1, there is a reason youth is favoured in today&#039;s NHL. Jordan Staal will be a stud in the league for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kane said:</p>
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Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I&#8217;m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of <a href="http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/pittsburgh/BrierePit.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michel Briere</a> resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring <a href="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006SVIUM.01-AHW8KRDTE3CL0._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">deficit</a> on their team!</p>
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<p>I hardly think the Penguins jerseys can be viewed as a deficit. It&#8217;s not like they wear them on the ice anymore. Between the youth movement in Pittsburgh and the Barney Rubble Hairpieces starting the season 12-0-1, there is a reason youth is favoured in today&#8217;s NHL. Jordan Staal will be a stud in the league for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18642</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came across a website that seems to have every single sports logo ever used- www.logoserver.com  Knowing how everyone is here this site has probrably been mentioned before but I never remember it.  It doesn&#039;t just have the regular sports leagues, but it seems to have at least 30 leagues for football and leagues for volleyball, roller hockey, lacrosse and other sports.  It has team and league logos and has the logos.  Just an amazing site though not as good as the one Paul talked about today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across a website that seems to have every single sports logo ever used- <a href="http://www.logoserver.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.logoserver.com' target="_blank">http://www.logoserve...</a>  Knowing how everyone is here this site has probrably been mentioned before but I never remember it.  It doesn&#8217;t just have the regular sports leagues, but it seems to have at least 30 leagues for football and leagues for volleyball, roller hockey, lacrosse and other sports.  It has team and league logos and has the logos.  Just an amazing site though not as good as the one Paul talked about today.</p>
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		<title>By: Kane</title>
		<link>http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18638</link>
		<dc:creator>Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18625&quot;][quote comment=&quot;18597&quot;]Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I&#039;m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/pittsburgh/BrierePit.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michel Briere&lt;/a&gt; resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006SVIUM.01-AHW8KRDTE3CL0._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deficit&lt;/a&gt; on their team![/quote]
While I am actually a Habs fan Kane I do pay the Pens special attention as Crosby and I both hail from the same part of Canada, (Nova Scotia) and with the impending glory for the Pens,(Crosby,Fleury,Malkin,Staal et al) I think now would be the ideal time for a Jersey overhaul. Some combination of new and old (70&#039;s colors and logo with a modern touch)would be awesome! Michel Briere, one of the lesser known tragedies in all of sports!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Bri%C3%A8re[/quote]

Well, you definitely are no stranger to great looking jerseys/sweaters then. The tragedy is compounded when you consider the fact that the Briere ambulance struck and killed a man on the way to the hospital. It was nice to see his number retired despite his singular season in the league. Classy move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header">bluenoser said:</p>
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<p class="quoter_comment_header">Kane said:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/11/02/history-lesson/#comment-18597"><p>
Another note, addressed specifically to Pittsburgh hockey fans (I&#8217;m looking at you Bluenoser): Did the spirit of <a href="http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/pittsburgh/BrierePit.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Michel Briere</a> resurrect itself in the form of Jordan Staal? The Penguins have two very good top lines out there right now. If only they could fill that other glaring <a href="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006SVIUM.01-AHW8KRDTE3CL0._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">deficit</a> on their team!</p>
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<p>While I am actually a Habs fan Kane I do pay the Pens special attention as Crosby and I both hail from the same part of Canada, (Nova Scotia) and with the impending glory for the Pens,(Crosby,Fleury,Malkin,Staal et al) I think now would be the ideal time for a Jersey overhaul. Some combination of new and old (70&#8217;s colors and logo with a modern touch)would be awesome! Michel Briere, one of the lesser known tragedies in all of sports!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Bri%C3%A8re" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Bri%C3%A8re' target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia....</a></p>
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<p>Well, you definitely are no stranger to great looking jerseys/sweaters then. The tragedy is compounded when you consider the fact that the Briere ambulance struck and killed a man on the way to the hospital. It was nice to see his number retired despite his singular season in the league. Classy move.</p>
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