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10.13.06

Mods Find New Job Opportunity in NHL

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Sportswear companies are always talking about their “performance-enhancing” features, whether it’s moisture-management technology or extra-stretchy fabrics. But what if a uniform could provide superior results simply by virtue of its graphic properties? That’s the question raised by an intriguing note I received in August from reader Dan Franko. Check it out:

I was talking to a friend who works for [a company that does some number-crunching for the NHL]. He was telling me that they have data supporting the theory that teams with symmetrical logos, or more rounded logos, have a goaltender advantage. He said that they’ve noted a higher save percentage in goalies who have what they call a “target” logo — the Flames’ “C,” the Habs’ “C,” the Caps’ “splattered bug,” the circle behind the Devils’ “NJ.” They have a theory that a shooter’s eye is drawn to this image, and that the shot is usually pulled more toward the goaltender’s center mass.

Apparently when they have logos like the Caps’ eagle or the Rangers’ slanted letters, the shooters have higher scoring percentage.

I don’t know where you would even start to validate this theory. But the idea of a uniform/logo giving a team an on-ice advantage — I thought that was something you’d be particularly interested in.

Indeed, I was plenty interested, especially when Franko offered to put me in touch with his friend. Unfortunately, despite my repeated entreaties over the next several weeks, his friend failed to respond (understandable, if frustrating), which essentially leaves us with an unsubstantiated rumor, or maybe an urban legend.

Still, it’s interesting food for thought, especially since target-style jersey designs — or at least logos surrounded by lots of empty space — are pretty much the norm in the NHL. The only clear exceptions are the Rangers, the new Ducks design, and the Avalanche’s third jersey, plus I suppose you could make a case for the Stars and the Senators’ home design.

Anyone ever heard of this phenomenon before? Any hockey players — either goalies or sharpshooters — have any thoughts on the matter?

And I’m going to be v-e-r-y disappointed if the Rev. Nørb doesn’t have some choice comments regarding the hockey/Mod connection.

Uni Watch News Ticker: Wes Walz was wearing mismatched gloves last night (great catch by Matthew Lepke). … Genuinely surprised to see that the Mets didn’t wear any sort of memorial for Cory Lidle last night. On the other hand, almost everything about uniforms feels so scripted and predictable these days that it’s nice to find myself surprised, just for variety’s sake. … Speaking of scripted and predictable, check out the miserable new template-driven college hoops unis that have just been unveiled for UNC and Michigan State, both designed by you know who. … Interesting similarity between the UNO hockey team’s 10th-anniversary patch and the Super Bowl XXXVII logo. Full details here. … Someone else is getting into uni-watching — sort of (registration may be required, but it’s free and worth it). … Huge condolences to the family, friends, and customers of Patrick O’Connor — as fine a bartender, and as good a friend, as ever walked this planet — who died on Sunday. R.I.P., buddy.

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Perhaps there just wasn’t enough time for the Mets to come up with some sort of patch. I wonder if the fact that his only year with the Mets was 1997 played into that, as well. I wonder how many of the seven teams that he played for will wear some sort of memorial next year.

On a ligther note, I enjoyed the description of the Caps’ Capitol Building logo as a “splattered bug.”

Would a true MOD be caught dead in public wearing shorts?

The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season, and also the UNC uniforms look horrible, since the flag does not sit well on the jersey - or in the same spot on the players, it looks like.

I am wearing my Carlos Beltran shirt today, but alas! It is in black. My David Wright shirt is in blue though.
Have fun getting frostbite tonight, Paul.

The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season..

I beg to differ: last season; this season.

The whole collarbone stripe thing has officially entered the “10 Most Annoying Nike Tropes” list, clocking in at about No. 8.

Plus Lidle didn’t even pitch a full season with the Mets in 1997 and none of his teamates or couching staff from the 1997 are in the organization anymore.

Did UNC get rid of the argyle pattern on the shorts? Thats a disgrace if true…

The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season..

I beg to differ: last season; this season.

The whole collarbone stripe thing has officially entered the “10 Most Annoying Nike Tropes” list, clocking in at about No. 8.

My bad, Paul. Thought they had a jersey they wore at least once or twice that looked very similar.

The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season..

I beg to differ: last season; this season.

The whole collarbone stripe thing has officially entered the “10 Most Annoying Nike Tropes” list, clocking in at about No. 8.

I couldn’t agree more about the collarbone stripes. While I love watching college basketball, I increasingly find that I need to look past the many horrible designs — many perpetrated by Nike — creeping into the college game.

I’m grateful that my team, the Indiana Hoosiers, have largely stuck with tradition. Who doesn’t love the candy-striped warmup pants? And former coach Mike Davis nearly incited a fan revolt alone by implying that team jerseys might carry players’ names. The vociferous negative reaction from IU Nation spiked that idea, thank God.

wasnt the mets pitching coach Lidle pitching coach in Oakland?

Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

The Hurricanes’ logo has a target thing going on as well…

Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

As a hockey player for over 15 years now, I can say with a high level of confidence that any evidence “they” may have is probably coincidence. When I go to shoot the puck, I am not looking at the goalie. I am looking at where the goalie ISN’T. In other words, I look for holes and shoot at those holes, whether they be over the shoulders, between the legs, etc.

May have made the rounds already, but someone out there is poking some good fun at Oregon’s unis:

Sorry, I forgot the link.

Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

As a hockey player for over 15 years now, I can say with a high level of confidence that any evidence “they” may have is probably coincidence. When I go to shoot the puck, I am not looking at the goalie. I am looking at where the goalie ISN’T. In other words, I look for holes and shoot at those holes, whether they be over the shoulders, between the legs, etc.

I thought that was the first thing they taught in hockey: shoot where the goalie ain’t!

This may have been covered before, but when a school signs a contract with a supplier (Nike, addidas, UA, etc) do they automatically get stuck with that supplier’s template, or does the school make a conscious decision to forgo years of tradition in a uni to do whatever the supplier wants? I can’t imagine that a supplier would turn down the bucks generated by outfitting a team just because the school wants to keep a traditional uni design.

Paul-
i think Michigan State may have played in jerseys very similar to this years for at least one game last year. there was a weekend when most of the “nike elite” teams ditched their traditional uni’s for the collarbone line template with gray/silver shoulders. here is UNC’s for that one game.

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notice the difference between that and their regular jerseys

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i know that duke and ohio state did this, but i believe both michigan and michigan state were alos involved in the promotion.

Did UNC get rid of the argyle pattern on the shorts? Thats a disgrace if true…

Looks like UNC kept the argyle on the shorts and jerseys.

I’m usually pro-Jordan brand, but the collar stripe has to get the hell out of here for traditional teams and the shorts look like cheap replicas. The waistbands look too thin and they don’t even have the symbol on there, the way they used to.

I like the MSU and Carolina jerseys. Nike might be a four-letter word around here, but nobody does college hoops better.

Those collarbone template jerseys were worn in the Big 10/ACC Challenge last year.

Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

As a hockey player for over 15 years now, I can say with a high level of confidence that any evidence “they” may have is probably coincidence. When I go to shoot the puck, I am not looking at the goalie. I am looking at where the goalie ISN’T. In other words, I look for holes and shoot at those holes, whether they be over the shoulders, between the legs, etc.

I concur. I always look at the netting around the goalie or between his pads. Never at his chest. Always aim for the corners.

wasnt the mets pitching coach Lidle pitching coach in Oakland?

Yes, and right after the crash he did interviews on ESPN about Lidle.

Will we ever get the flags off unis? Seems to me that liking one’s home country is pretty much the default position of Americans everywhere, so that the flags aren’t needed. And usually they just don’t look good, esp when the team has a different color scheme.

Maybe take the flags off of all shirts, hats, and helmets UNLESS you really do dislike America, in which case you can wear O.G. upside down. Or move to Russia or something.

Marty Turco holds the GAA record in the NHL when he was while wearing the Stars jersey. More legend than truth if you ask me.

paul said
Speaking of scripted and predictable, check out the miserable new template-driven college hoops unis that have just been unveiled for UNC and Michigan State…

at least they didnt return to that disgrace from 1999-2000
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as i lifelong and diehard carolina fan this new uni-tweak really grinds my gears… i still pine for the return to the regular block numbers. for msu, i dig the jersey and short panels…

Someone else is getting into uni-watching

I LOVE SEER SUCKER!!!

May have made the rounds already, but someone out there is poking some good fun at Oregon’s unis:

wow, where did that dude get the, ahem, balls, to put himself into a uni reminiscent of the movie tron
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and then put it on the internet… again, dudes got, ahem, balls…

on an NLCS note… to anyone who watched it on TV… there was a guy holding a sign “glavine and maine, and pray for rain” and “you gotta believe (thanks tug)” on the reverse side…now i have seen this guy at basketball games for like the last 15 years, i started seeing him in indiana when they were good, with those signs, at virtually all the nba all star games, and most recently in miami! at first i recognized the sign font, but the guy has always had some serious face time on TV… then all of a sudden, i see him again last night!!! any info on this dude?

This reminds me of the George Plimpton book where he becomes a goalie for the Bruins (sorry, can’t remember the name off the top of my head). He’s thinking about painting something on his helmet and has an idea about an evil eye that would ward off shots. When he suggests it to one of the Bruins, he gets told; ‘are you sure you want a target on your head?’

Q: Why are there no Mods in Iraq?
A: Would you walk around there with a target on your back?

RE: target logos

Yet more proof to go back to the old Sabres logo and ditch the buffaslug.

I think it is impossible not to look at the goalie when you are shooting. You have a rather large field of vision and even when you concentrate on the areas where the goalie is not, you still see the goalie. I would assume this target phenomenon would be more prevalent the farther away you are when you shoot.

It would be interesting to see the methodology used in this study. Maybe the teams with asymmetrical jerseys just have crappy goalies.

Ohio States new Basketball unis:

http://ohiostate.sco...

Awful, just awful. The shorts are like the freaking Broncos. The typeface on the jersey is pretty sharp however.

quite an interesting view of the dot-matrix Nike horror on Carlos “Cardinal killer” Beltran

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The Idle story is sad, but teams can go way overboard commemorating a deceased journeyman pitcher. I really can’t fault the Mets for not acknowledging him in anyway, since he only tossed a couple games several years ago.

If teams make a habit of commemorating dead players, then some of the oldest teams will be doing it every week:

“Ladies and Gentlemen, lets have a moment of silence for Hal Jones, who passed away last Tuesday, doing what he loved best - watching TV. Hal played in three games for the Indians in 1947 as a back-up utility pinch-hitter; his career highlight with Cleveland occurred in his second game when he drew a base on balls, and was subsequently caught stealing second. Lets all pause and remember Hal’s contributions to our proud organization.”

i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their women’s uniforms, but they can afford to put them on the men’s uniforms. Very interesting.

Although I’ve never played hockey I’ve played lacrosse for well over 12 years now and can tell you that of course you’re taught to shoot where the goalie isn’t but that bright colors and targets do attract your eye. it’s a natural human reaction. i know many of my goalie friends swear by bright colored mesh for their stick becuase the shooters eye is naturally attracted to it. who can look away from neon yellow?

Anybody catch Kirk Herbstreit and Mark May on SportsCenter before the BC/VT game game last night discussing the best & worst unis in college football?

Herbstreit said Michigan had the best and Wyoming the worst.

May copped out and just went with conferences… said the Big Ten had the best (cited Michigan, OSU & PSU as examples), and the Pac-10 as the worst (Oregon, WSU, Cal).

I can’t stand either of those dorks, but it was uni related so I posted it… wtf.

I can’t say I’m surprised that Oakland and the Mets have not come up with a memorial patch. He did not spend much time in either city and in both cases most or all of his connections to the team are gone. In addition, there are still players that don’t like him because he was a replacement player. The Yankees may come up with some sort of uni memorial, but I don’t much expect his other teams to.

i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their women’s uniforms, but they can afford to put them on the men’s uniforms. Very interesting.

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.

“Lidle was signed in 1990 by the Minnesota Twins as an amateur free agent. After his release in 1993, he was signed by the Milwaukee Brewers. Lidle was then traded in 1996 to the New York Mets, and made his Major League debut for the Mets on May 8, 1997. Due to his participation as a replacement player during the 1994 baseball strike, he was not eligible to join the MLB Players Union.”

Did not know that. I did hear a news blurb today that his wife and children would receive his pension, but if he’s not a member of the union is he eligible?

Why do the uniforms for the ohio state women’s team look so much better than the unis for the men?

Just a thought about the curved logos. Would this then hold true for other sports. Like in baseball many teams wear sleeve patches. So would that increase the pitchers chances of hitting the batter? i.e. The Houston Astros normally have a sleeve patch on their jerseys and Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell were normally tops in the leagues in getting beaned.

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The Idle story is sad, but teams can go way overboard commemorating a deceased journeyman pitcher.

Lidle pitched for the Mets and the Yanks and died in NYC — it’s an NYC thing. I’m surprised that the remaining NYC team in the playoffs didn’t acknowledge his death on their uniform. I’m not saying they should have acknowledged it, or that they were wrong not to, just that I’m surprised they didn’t.

The MSU uniforms look similar to the ones they wore last season..

I beg to differ: last season; this season.

The whole collarbone stripe thing has officially entered the “10 Most Annoying Nike Tropes” list, clocking in at about No. 8.

I couldn’t agree more about the collarbone stripes. While I love watching college basketball, I increasingly find that I need to look past the many horrible designs — many perpetrated by Nike — creeping into the college game.

I’m grateful that my team, the Indiana Hoosiers, have largely stuck with tradition. Who doesn’t love the candy-striped warmup pants? And former coach Mike Davis nearly incited a fan revolt alone by implying that team jerseys might carry players’ names. The vociferous negative reaction from IU Nation spiked that idea, thank God.

Yes, Hoosier nation’s insistence on tradition has carved itself a corner of my heart. No small feat as I’m a Syracuse alum that was witness to Keith Smart’s nano-second in the sun (in person, mind you).

Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

As a hockey player for over 15 years now, I can say with a high level of confidence that any evidence “they” may have is probably coincidence. When I go to shoot the puck, I am not looking at the goalie. I am looking at where the goalie ISN’T. In other words, I look for holes and shoot at those holes, whether they be over the shoulders, between the legs, etc.

I concur. I always look at the netting around the goalie or between his pads. Never at his chest. Always aim for the corners.

Interesting… as a goalie, I was taught that you were “on your angle” (properly positioned) if you could draw a line from the middle of the net through your crest to the puck! Goalie coaches weren’t prevalent back in the late ’60s and early ’70s, so I picked up everything I could from watching Hall of Famers Glenn Hall and Jacques Plante play for the St. Louis Blues. Try not to give the shooter any net to look at, and let the puck hit you! (Of course, with the inferior equipment available back then, it was preferable to catch the puck, or stop it with your stick or leg pads. Shots to the chest and arms hurt, dammit!)

Maybe the crests are of more help to the goalie than they are a hindrance to the shooter… playing “pick-up” ice/roller/street hockey in my 30s and 40s with better equipment allowed me to let the puck hit me in the chest and arms without the pain and bruising of my teenage years!

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Ohhhh no, look at the back of the OSU hoops jerseys, the Nike bib, ala U of Miami football

i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their women’s uniforms, but they can afford to put them on the men’s uniforms. Very interesting.

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.

This may be a bit of a stretch, but if you look at the red stripe on the left left leg in the mens picture and follow it to the right leg, then up along the ribs, it looks like the stripe on the jersey juts in a little bit in a curved maner (see #31), almost in a “swoosh-like” fashion.

Am I seeing things, making too much out of nothing, or are those unis one big giant swoosh?

Ohio State is wearing wrap around NIKE jerseys in basketball this year.

And was it just me, or did Tom Glavine’s hat seem to have a really short bill last night. It looked likea kiddie hat.

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Ohhhh no, look at the back of the OSU hoops jerseys, the Nike bib, ala U of Miami football

beat me by a minute!

i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their women’s uniforms, but they can afford to put them on the men’s uniforms. Very interesting.

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.

This may be a bit of a stretch, but if you look at the red stripe on the left left leg in the mens picture and follow it to the right leg, then up along the ribs, it looks like the stripe on the jersey juts in a little bit in a curved maner (see #31), almost in a “swoosh-like” fashion.

Am I seeing things, making too much out of nothing, or are those unis one big giant swoosh?

I was not necessarily talking about the stripes on the shorts, but rather the uniform jerseys, which don’t have the Nike black stripes on the shoulders.

Seeing those new basketball uni’s makes me happy that KU switched from Nike to Addidas awhile ago. Also, is that the “Air Jordan” logo on Carolina’s shorts? That’s pretty tacky if you ask me.

I’m watching the Cards v. Mets this morning(I live in Tokyo), and I am thinking to myself, is it me or do those Majestic brand jerseys look like cheapo replica jerseys?

i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their women’s uniforms, but they can afford to put them on the men’s uniforms. Very interesting.

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.

This may be a bit of a stretch, but if you look at the red stripe on the left left leg in the mens picture and follow it to the right leg, then up along the ribs, it looks like the stripe on the jersey juts in a little bit in a curved maner (see #31), almost in a “swoosh-like” fashion.

Am I seeing things, making too much out of nothing, or are those unis one big giant swoosh?

I was not necessarily talking about the stripes on the shorts, but rather the uniform jerseys, which don’t have the Nike black stripes on the shoulders.

They are not BLACK STRIPES!! They are color specific to the team. I think someone yesterday said that the UNC uni’s stripe was black and it’s not it’s Navy Blue, which is their third color to Carolina Blue and White. Also, OSU and MSU stripes are red and green respectively.

i guess OSU is too cheap to put the Nike stripes on their women’s uniforms, but they can afford to put them on the men’s uniforms. Very interesting.

um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts.

This may be a bit of a stretch, but if you look at the red stripe on the left left leg in the mens picture and follow it to the right leg, then up along the ribs, it looks like the stripe on the jersey juts in a little bit in a curved maner (see #31), almost in a “swoosh-like” fashion.

Am I seeing things, making too much out of nothing, or are those unis one big giant swoosh?

I was not necessarily talking about the stripes on the shorts, but rather the uniform jerseys, which don’t have the Nike black stripes on the shoulders.

Ah. I realize that now. True enough. While it would be nice for women’s and men’s teams to have the same unis, I think, as an earlier poster said, that the women’s team is better off without the excessive striping.

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Ohhhh no, look at the back of the OSU hoops jerseys, the Nike bib, ala U of Miami football

beat me by a minute!

Yeah, but nice photo Chad, where did you get that one?

the template used for unc and osu this year looks like the one used by uk last year (the shorts and side panels are different)…

the throwbacks from last year were pretty pimperish though.

“Lidle was signed in 1990 by the Minnesota Twins as an amateur free agent. After his release in 1993, he was signed by the Milwaukee Brewers. Lidle was then traded in 1996 to the New York Mets, and made his Major League debut for the Mets on May 8, 1997. Due to his participation as a replacement player during the 1994 baseball strike, he was not eligible to join the MLB Players Union.”

He still was covered by everything in the players union contract. He isn’t covered in the Players union liscensing. Which means his name and likeness in video games (his name is probably replaced by his number or a random name), baseball cards, memorbilia or anything else that is liscensed by the MLB players union.

Did not know that. I did hear a news blurb today that his wife and children would receive his pension, but if he’s not a member of the union is he eligible?

Will we ever get the flags off unis? Seems to me that liking one’s home country is pretty much the default position of Americans everywhere, so that the flags aren’t needed. And usually they just don’t look good, esp when the team has a different color scheme.

Maybe take the flags off of all shirts, hats, and helmets UNLESS you really do dislike America, in which case you can wear O.G. upside down. Or move to Russia or something.

Dude… TANGET ALERT:

Why is it that if you don’t like america it’s always ‘move to Russia’? Why can’t we be original and say something else…. like move to France or ‘andate a Costa Rica’ or ‘off you go to Scotland’ .. the move to Russia thing sounds a bit ‘Rush Limbaugh’ to some (and we know what he’s on, right?) Sorry about the rant, but had to get it off my chest. Hope this doesn’t earn me a stint in Paul’s ‘Sin bin’. (That’s a hockey reference, you sickos)

better look at osu wraparound look. yuck.

Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the Black Mets Cap is compared to the Cardinals Black Cap.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional cap. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional cap into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.

Seeing those new basketball uni’s makes me happy that KU switched from Nike to Addidas awhile ago. Also, is that the “Air Jordan” logo on Carolina’s shorts? That’s pretty tacky if you ask me.

technically, nike doesnt make UNC’s jerseys. the jordan brand does. no swoosh just the jumpman on the jerseys

Alabama had the collarbone jerseys last year, but when the SEC had throwback week toward the end of the season, the team stuck with those jerseys for the rest of the year because they thought they looked better. Unfortunately, they went back with the collarbone this year.

About the target theory- I don’t know about ice hockey, but as a field hockey goalie, I’ve definitely heard this one before. There is even a blocker glove that comes with an actual target printed on the front (sorry, can’t find a pic). And we always have worn bright colored jerseys- orange and (sorry) purple.

Re: the rounded logo phenomenon in the NHL, I’m guessing there’s a subconcious desire of shooters to aim at something that even slightly resembles a target.

Maybe this leads to more shots hitting the goalie right in the chest…

As a hockey player for over 15 years now, I can say with a high level of confidence that any evidence “they” may have is probably coincidence. When I go to shoot the puck, I am not looking at the goalie. I am looking at where the goalie ISN’T. In other words, I look for holes and shoot at those holes, whether they be over the shoulders, between the legs, etc.

I concur. I always look at the netting around the goalie or between his pads. Never at his chest. Always aim for the corners.

I said the same thing to my buddy when he told me about this. I’ve played hockey for years and said I never really look at the goalie…so I wouldn’t care if he had a round or diagonal logo…it wouldn’t impact my shot.

He said that it’s something you pick up in your periphery. If you’re looking toward the net t all…if the goalie is framed right…no matter where you’re looking, you will pick up the logo if it’s one of these target logos. Some players might not be affected at all….some, it might move their shot just a hair more toward center.

They didn’t have hard numbers as to whether or not it was a causal connection or mere coincidence. He thinks that the NHL might have gone one, after the fact, and done their own study…because he never heard about it again.

Like I said…it’s a theory they have.

Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the Black Mets Cap is compared to the Cardinals Black Cap.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional cap. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional cap into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.

i thought the cards cap was navy.

“Lidle was signed in 1990 by the Minnesota Twins as an amateur free agent. After his release in 1993, he was signed by the Milwaukee Brewers. Lidle was then traded in 1996 to the New York Mets, and made his Major League debut for the Mets on May 8, 1997. Due to his participation as a replacement player during the 1994 baseball strike, he was not eligible to join the MLB Players Union.”

He still was covered by everything in the players union contract. He isn’t covered in the Players union liscensing. Which means his name and likeness in video games (his name is probably replaced by his number or a random name), baseball cards, memorbilia or anything else that is liscensed by the MLB players union.

Did not know that. I did hear a news blurb today that his wife and children would receive his pension, but if he’s not a member of the union is he eligible?

I saw it on ESPN.com or SI.com or something don’t remember where. It could have been Sportscenter this morning. I also vaguely remember it from when Rick Reed pitched for the Mets (I remember having to redo Reed’s name in the game).

I think the Card’s navy caps are almost as bad as the Mets’ black caps. Whats up with teams that are named for their propensity towards red shedding it from their wardrobe almost completely: Cardinals, Reds, Red Sox.

“Lidle was signed in 1990 by the Minnesota Twins as an amateur free agent. After his release in 1993, he was signed by the Milwaukee Brewers. Lidle was then traded in 1996 to the New York Mets, and made his Major League debut for the Mets on May 8, 1997. Due to his participation as a replacement player during the 1994 baseball strike, he was not eligible to join the MLB Players Union.”

He still was covered by everything in the players union contract. He isn’t covered in the Players union liscensing. Which means his name and likeness in video games (his name is probably replaced by his number or a random name), baseball cards, memorbilia or anything else that is liscensed by the MLB players union.

Did not know that. I did hear a news blurb today that his wife and children would receive his pension, but if he’s not a member of the union is he eligible?

I saw it on ESPN.com or SI.com or something don’t remember where. It could have been Sportscenter this morning. I also vaguely remember it from when Rick Reed pitched for the Mets (I remember having to redo Reed’s name in the game).

Kevin Millar, Barry Bonds, and Brian Daubach were also not members of the MLBPA and subsequently were either missing from the video games or were a made up character. Millar and Daubach were normaly left off but Bonds was a white guy #51 and batted right handed on the EASports game that no longer exists.

Cardinals hats are blue, not black

Although I’ve never played hockey I’ve played lacrosse for well over 12 years now and can tell you that of course you’re taught to shoot where the goalie isn’t but that bright colors and targets do attract your eye. it’s a natural human reaction. i know many of my goalie friends swear by bright colored mesh for their stick becuase the shooters eye is naturally attracted to it. who can look away from neon yellow?

I agree with the lacrosse player. As a hockey player, you are taught to look where you want to shoot, as was the case when I dabbled in lax as well. If circular shapes are more pleasing to your eyes, your natural human response is to look there. While this may not cause you to shoot exactly at the target, it may cause you to shoot slightly off where you inteded to shoot, more towards the logo. I am sure some university could do some research testing accuracy when there is a second target present or something.

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Ohhhh no, look at the back of the OSU hoops jerseys, the Nike bib, ala U of Miami football

beat me by a minute!

Yeah, but nice photo Chad, where did you get that one?

Wow… when in that site, check out the subsequent photos… that Greg Odon is a very scary man ! The Intimidator.

Two years ago I needed a new keeper jersey for Soccer. One of my choices at a local store looked pretty much like the guy in the picture at the lead of this article (Yellow instead of white with the target). The tag on it had a whole write up on how the target would cause strikers to shoot the ball right at the keeper instead of the back of the net. Kinda wish I would have got it just for the laughs on the pitch.

Interesting note about the goalie gear.

I remember it being explained once that the reason why Batman has a yellow insignia, is to draw bullet fire away from his face.

Boo on Ohio State for adopting that nasty uniform. Now I have to look at it when they show up at my school, and that is just no good.

On the hockey logos: Looks like Buffalo may be the best team in the league this season. Any time someone shoots the puck, they’ll be distracted by/want to take their anger out on the slug. (side note: Paul, you might want to start up a Uni Watch Buffalo Office and make it the headquarters for “Ditch the Slug”)

Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the Black Mets Cap is compared to the Cardinals Black Cap.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional cap. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional cap into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.

Well, I can think of the Orioles, A’s, the old Angels (think Rod Carew) & others i’m sure, as examples of good looking contrasting bills. But i’m with you on your general point. Met’s need to pull out the blue for the remainder of the Cardinal’s swatting.

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Ohhhh no, look at the back of the OSU hoops jerseys, the Nike bib, ala U of Miami football

beat me by a minute!

Yeah, but nice photo Chad, where did you get that one?

Front page of the Indianapolis Star

I think the Card’s navy caps are almost as bad as the Mets’ black caps. Whats up with teams that are named for their propensity towards red shedding it from their wardrobe almost completely: Cardinals, Reds, Red Sox.

The RED SOX. When the John Henry group bought the team they started a return to the red. They added a Sunday jersey then they started selling player t-shirts in red, which had only previously been sold in blue. They also started wearing red for spring training rather than blue.

Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the Black Mets Cap is compared to the Cardinals Black Cap.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional cap. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional cap into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.

Well, I can think of the Orioles, A’s, the old Angels (think Rod Carew) & others i’m sure, as examples of good looking contrasting bills. But i’m with you on your general point. Met’s need to pull out the blue for the remainder of the Cardinal’s swatting.

I may be superstitious, but the Mets haven’t lost in the playoffs wearing the snow whites and the black/blue hat… why mess now with what ur winning with…

This reminds me of the George Plimpton book where he becomes a goalie for the Bruins (sorry, can’t remember the name off the top of my head). He’s thinking about painting something on his helmet and has an idea about an evil eye that would ward off shots. When he suggests it to one of the Bruins, he gets told; ‘are you sure you want a target on your head?’

The George Plimpton book is called Open Net, and is a must-read if you’re a hockey fan.

I am buying the target goalie theory. in pheasant hunting most hunters miss behind the bird because his long tail thrashes the air and draws the eye to it. you end up shooting at this tail feathers and that won’t get it done. anything done in a flash is subject to the eye being drawn to the wrong thing.

for those of you trying to read the LA Times without a password and need one without reigstering, type the address into Bug Me Not and they will give you a login and password without having to register. This works with lots of those types of sites (I think the Washington Post is one like that, too).

I happen to own one of these jerseys. DOn’t know if it helps or not, but I’ve saved my fair share of pucks.

Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the Black Mets Cap is compared to the Cardinals Black Cap.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional cap. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional cap into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.

i thought the cards cap was navy.

They are!!! Click on the link and go to the color and size drop down menu, nothing but navy options. Also they wore navy hats from 1940 to 1964 and then stopped until 1995. There is some history there when a team where’s a hat for 24 years and then again for 11 more. There is nothing wrong with the NAVY hats the Cards wear on the road

I think the Card’s navy caps are almost as bad as the Mets’ black caps. Whats up with teams that are named for their propensity towards red shedding it from their wardrobe almost completely: Cardinals, Reds, Red Sox.

The RED SOX. When the John Henry group bought the team they started a return to the red. They added a Sunday jersey then they started selling player t-shirts in red, which had only previously been sold in blue. They also started wearing red for spring training rather than blue.

Wonder why they haven’t brought these babies yet?

The Idle story is sad, but teams can go way overboard commemorating a deceased journeyman pitcher.

Lidle pitched for the Mets and the Yanks and died in NYC — it’s an NYC thing. I’m surprised that the remaining NYC team in the playoffs didn’t acknowledge his death on their uniform. I’m not saying they should have acknowledged it, or that they were wrong not to, just that I’m surprised they didn’t.

I’m not surprised at all. Like others have said, he pitched a part of one season with them 9 years ago.

Paul-
i think Michigan State may have played in jerseys very similar to this years for at least one game last year. there was a weekend when most of the “nike elite” teams ditched their traditional uni’s for the collarbone line template with gray/silver shoulders. here is UNC’s for that one game.

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notice the difference between that and their regular jerseys

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i know that duke and ohio state did this, but i believe both michigan and michigan state were alos involved in the promotion.

they wore the silver-shoulder jerseys for the acc-big ten challenge

So Paul, looks like no chance of shaming the Mets into wearing their blue caps for even ONE game in the postseason, huh?

I too am fascinated by the goalie target logo theory, but I call into question using the Capitals and Rangers getting scored on more as proof of this theory. Both of these teams have not been that good recently, and that can easily explain why more pucks fly past their goailes than other netminders.

Now if there was a study on how many goals go past Ranger goalies when they wear their slanted lettering jerseys versus how many go in when they wear their Statue of Liberty head logoed third jerseys you may be on to something…

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um, if you look more closely at the chica to the far right in the back, you’ll see the swoosh-stika on her shorts

WOW, that is too funny!!!! I never thought anyone would go there, i think your right though.

Do the Mets starting pitchers not pick what jersey they wear for that game?

I know with the Cubs, the starting pitcher gets to wear whatever jersey he wants, and the rest of the team has to follow in accordance.

For instance, Mark Prior always picks white pinstripes, whereas always picks to wear the Blue alternate uni.

Link to the Cardinals with blue hats in the 40’s - 60’s.

So Paul, looks like no chance of shaming the Mets into wearing their blue caps for even ONE game in the postseason, huh?

I think the key would be to send the organization a check for $37.73. It worked for other Mets uniform related endeavors initiated by Uni Watch.

Do the Mets starting pitchers not pick what jersey they wear for that game?

I know with the Cubs, the starting pitcher gets to wear whatever jersey he wants, and the rest of the team has to follow in accordance.

For instance, Mark Prior always picks white pinstripes, whereas always picks to wear the Blue alternate uni.

EDIT TO ADD: Zambrano picks the blue alternate uni.

Good Dark Alt. Cap v. Bad Dark Alt. Cap

All night I was reminded how ugly the Black Mets Cap is compared to the Cardinals Black Cap.

The Cardinals black cap uses the red, white, and black of their traditional cap. The Mets scrunch the tradional blue and orange from their traditional cap into the little NY logo then surround it with random black and then patronize tradition with the blue bill. What cap has ever looked good with a contrasting brill?!

As great as the game was (for us, anyway), the caps are like having a guy sitting behind you at the game explaining the game to his wife… and getting the rules wrong.

Well, I can think of the Orioles, A’s, the old Angels (think Rod Carew) & others i’m sure, as examples of good looking contrasting bills. But i’m with you on your general point. Met’s need to pull out the blue for the remainder of the Cardinal’s swatting.

the Braves contrasting bill makes for one of the best hats in all of baseball
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Speaking of hockey jerseys, has anyone noticed this season that several teams (NY Islanders in particular) seem to have stitched two-digit back numbers too far apart? The numbers have been much closer together in seasons past, and it is very noticeable this year.

The mod/hockey connection is a malicious fiction concocted by internet bloggers in order to sell more Vespas to Canadians. If there were truly a mod/hockey/target connection, why would the Minnesota Wild play across the river in St. Paul, as opposed to downtown Minneapolis at the TARGET CENTER (which is, incidentally, kitty corner from the First Avenue/7th Street Entry rock-plex which has, from time to time, played host to mod bands [and, if you don’t believe me, here’s the Minnesota Historical Society’s archive of all the bands that have played at First Ave/7th St: http://www.mnhs.org/...)? Further, the fact that the one and only “hockey” jersey i own is a KISS “Rock And Roll Over” jersey should put the kibosh on the whole mod/hockey thing once and for all. Then again, now that i think about it, the central “Rock And Roll Over” image is clearly a target itself (www.kissfaq.com/albumcovers/raro/raro_sticker.jpg) so maybe i better STFU for a while.