As most of you know, I’ve been mildly obsessed this season with the growing phenomenon of MLB players who write things under their cap visors. (For those who missed it, here’s the ESPN column I devoted to this topic a few months back.) Then, in a separate underbill development, a few weeks ago I passed along news from a National League source who said there would be changes to all MLB caps next year — including a switch from gray underbills to black.
I originally assumed there was no connection between these two stories, and that the switch to black was due to the increasingly popular school of thought that black underbills are better for reducing glare. But last week on Chris Creamer’s message boards, buried in the midst of a long discussion of the Diamondbacks’ new logos (which I’ll have more to say about soon, promise), there was this:
A friend inside MLB said that the inscriptions by players (number, initials, etc.) are getting out of hand, and changing the underbill [to black] was one way to eliminate the problem without getting into potential backlash from players and media.
Faaaaaascinating. If this is true, it raises some interesting points:
• Black brims wouldn’t eliminate underbill inscriptions, since players could still use silver Sharpies (although I agree that fewer players would do that, because there’s just something counterintuitive about writing on a black surface).
• Why is the MLB office so worked up about underbill scribblings anyway? Assuming you can see them at all, they’re usually illegible, so what’s the problem? They’re a charming quirk, and are among the very few ways that a player can personalize his uniform without being all “Look at me!” about it. Eliminating them — or trying to — is a short-sighted move.
• Whether it’s the White House or the MLB office, anytime someone is paranoid about “media backlash,” it’s a pretty safe bet they’re doing something stupid.
Meanwhile, we can add two more players to the ranks of the underbill scribblers. The first is Nationals reliever Jon Rauch, who’s got something fairly elaborate — although it’s not clear what — written on his home and road caps. The second is Cleveland’s Shin-Soo Choo (already notable for his double-flapped batting helmet), whose underbill notation appears to be written in Korean. If the closing days of this season really do constitute the twilight of the gray underbill, Rauch and Choo may go down as the last players to take full advantage of it.
(The Choo pics, incidentally, are courtesy of Toronto photographer Aaron Reynolds, who’s generously offered to make his vast photo archive available for Uni Watch research purposes — thanks, man!)
Uni Watch News Ticker: We weren’t the only ones talking about logo leaks yesterday — look here. … Bryan Redemske has gotten an advance copy of this book (due out in about three weeks) and says the photos feature some fantastic uni details, including a shot of Honus Wagner with a little “P P” collar embroidery — never seen that before. Full report to follow when I can get my hands on a copy. … Monday’s nomination for the worst prep uniform ever brought several competing picks, the most notable of which was Riverside High in South Carolina (props to Ronnie Poore). … Speaking of high school teams, great article here about high school teams that use college or pro helmet logo designs (with thanks to P.J. Mallardi). … Notes you may have missed from yesterday’s Comments section: Rice players will wear a “39″ helmet decal for the rest of the season, in memory of teammate Dale Lloyd, who died on Sunday (with thanks to Richard Grossman). … And Adam Denob noticed that Panthers kicker John Kasey was wearing a watch in Sunday’s game against Tampa.
#1 by Tom on 09.27.06 9:15 am |
Cool article about the high school uniforms using pro and college logos. I always preferred seeing schools with original logos as opposed to just taking a well known logo and changing it to your own school colors. Of course, my old high school hit a double whammy on this one, going from the Michigan Wolverines styled helmet to the Florida State arrow, just in green and yellow instead of blue and maize or garnet and gold.
#2 by Dan Julien on 09.27.06 9:23 am |
Hey guys…not sure why the underbill is such an issue but maybe it’s cause of uniformity of uniforms :). I’m throwing out a challenge to anyone who wants to spread their artistic talents, I need a banner for my website that’s creative and I just suck at graphic design. So anyone who wants to do something creative and get a permenant link on my page, check it out http://bvtn.blogspot... and e-mail me to find out what I’d like on it danieljulien@hotmail...
#3 by nybatt on 09.27.06 9:31 am |
is the fricking underbill scribbling desecrating the baseball uniform as much as the pajama-pant plague?? jeez….
in nhl news……
watching “my” ny rangers the other night I noticed that the player’s names were not stitched on in the usual tackle twill lettering.. instead, for pre-season they use the cheap-o iron-on variety… I can reacall this being used in the past couple of years as well…..looks very tacky, but I guess I understand the reality that most will not be on the regular season roster… even the vets have the “lee press-on lettering”…..
#4 by Dane on 09.27.06 9:34 am |
From yesterday: David Carr does wear his wedding ring, and tapes over it as seen in this picture:
http://images.tsn.ca...
When I was in high school, the Pittsburgh Maulers spent their one season in the USFL. They practiced at an empty school in our district. When the Maulers closed up shop, they donated their uniforms - and everything else (weights, practice gear) to the district. Fortunately both teams wore PURPLE, so it was a smooth transition.
http://www.oursports...
#5 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 09.27.06 9:34 am |
FROM YESTERDAY…
i believe that this is done intentionally. if you notice, the jersey “template” differs based on position played. skill positions have a different jersey template than say, those in the trenches. why? i would say simply because their equipment must react differently to the kind of play their position warrants. just like players gloves differ, shoulder pads, facemasks, knee braces, shoes, etc.
#6 by dp on 09.27.06 9:42 am |
Not related but big news if true: Terrell Owens reportedly attempted suicide?
Was on the news just a second ago..
#7 by Matt on 09.27.06 9:48 am |
Couldn’t get a screen capture of it, but last night in the Astros/Pirates game, Mike Lamb of the Astros was jogging back to the dugout at the end of the first inning and it looked like his nameplate was only sewn on the sides and not the top or bottom, so it was just flapping in the breeze.
#8 by Tim B on 09.27.06 9:48 am |
i am pretty sure this has been either mentioned by paul or in these comments in the past, but when googling a few of those florida HS uniform’s, this came up. funny, but also at times weird, to see different color combos for the helmets you know.
http://football.bvhs...
#9 by Richard on 09.27.06 9:49 am |
from espn re: TO
TO update
#10 by Chad Edwards on 09.27.06 9:49 am |
Looking at photos today of kickers and their quirks, i’ve noticed the following.
Vanderjagt is the only kicker to wear a towel.
http://us.i1.yimg.co...
Gramatica wears his ring even in Training Camp
http://us.news2.yimg...
Ryan Lindell is a ring guy
http://us.i1.yimg.co...
#11 by Kenny on 09.27.06 9:50 am |
This article was posted on ESPN.com also…there is a video with Ed Werder reporting, but I don’t have audio on my computer at work, so I’m not sure what he’s saying…very unfortunate if true…although Big Tuna said the pain killers made him sick and I also heard he had an allergic reaction
T.O. apparent suicide attempt
#12 by ESS on 09.27.06 10:00 am |
Very interesting article on HS football teams copying college and NFL team logos.
Does anyone know how colleges can “copy” each other, without there being the usual cease and desist letters flying around? For instance Michigan, Princeton and Delaware?
#13 by Matt on 09.27.06 10:01 am |
Wisconsin’s Motion W has spread across state HS athetics like a rash. Schools without a W inital try their best to recreate the font for V, ND, and H (if memory serves) with questionable results. Even my alma mater traded in its stately block W logo to copycat the Badgers.
What can I say…teenage kids are fools with no respect for tradition. And would they please get off my damn lawn?
#14 by AMS on 09.27.06 10:03 am |
now this is an original helmet design for a HS team. i sorta like it…
http://football.bvhs...
#15 by Matt on 09.27.06 10:07 am |
my former high school copies Notre Dame, and its a public school…
#16 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 09.27.06 10:09 am |
god i hope this site doesnt turn into “talk about t.o. day”. it will be enough just listening to the herd, dan patrick, and the sportsbash dominate it.
#17 by Adam on 09.27.06 10:13 am |
There are “High School Helmet Projects” floating around for several states, all using similar templates. The original “Helmet Project” outlines virtually every pro and college helmet that’s ever existed. You can link to nearly all of them here.
#18 by Kenny on 09.27.06 10:15 am |
I’m having a hard time figuring out if it is a deer antler or flame
My H.S. has an original (as far as I know) and I was/am a big fan of it LP Lancers
Same here, he doesn’t need anymore attention
#19 by Adam on 09.27.06 10:20 am |
Note: You’ll have to scroll WAY down the page to find the High School listings. Also, the Missouri Helmet Project includes a subsite with about 250 helmets from Illinois.
#20 by Lincoln on 09.27.06 10:32 am |
Just looking through the Illinois helmets shows you how many schools use NFL and college logos. WOW!!
#21 by DenverGregg on 09.27.06 10:46 am |
My HS used Air Force’s helmet decal but on a yellow helmet and one big rival had the ’70s Atlanta Falcons helmet with colors reversed.
Weird note: in and around Denver Budweiser has posters, banners and mirros displayed on and in bars that show the various helmet designs used by the Broncos over the years. The designer must be a UniWatch type as they included the late ’60s blue design with a gray facemask separately from the same design with the white facemask that came a bit later. Sad that my team has never had a very good looking helmet.
#22 by Nolan on 09.27.06 10:49 am |
I thought about that but the player I noticed that didn’t match Bush was Joe Horn. Also, Drew Brees and this guy don’t have their jersey cut like that either. The Vince jersey is the best photo to show the cut I was talking about.
I think it just comes down to the shape of the player and how tight they want their jersey. The only problem is they look like two different jerseys.
Also, the Bengals orange yoke shows how different size players need different tailoring.
It seems that every jersey in the league is custom fit to the player. Are these alterations done “in house” or does reebok do it?
#23 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 09.27.06 11:05 am |
article up on page 2 about the playstation nba 07 video game.
kobe is on the cover with #24
http://espn.go.com/p...
and a screen cap
http://espn.go.com/p...
also notice the detail on the ball. it even follows the new panel system.
http://dsp.imageg.ne...
i wonder if it has his new forearm tattoo.
http://images.sports...
http://d.yimg.com/us...
#24 by Ian K on 09.27.06 11:08 am |
Does David Carr wear his ring with tape over it, or do you think he wears white tape in place of it? I would think that would be safer and it still gets the point across.
#25 by Burrill on 09.27.06 11:12 am |
About a decade ago, my local high school football team (Chelsea, MI) changed its uniforms to a very ND-like look. It wasn’t a radical departure; the old uniforms had dark blue jerseys and mustard yellow pants, so the jerseys aren’t too different. And the helmets have always been gold. (Sorry — I don’t know if there are any online pictures of the old jerseys. I started photographing the team only last year.)
I don’t know if they consciously emulated Notre Dame’s look, or if it was coincidental. But I think they look good on the field.
#26 by Richard on 09.27.06 11:15 am |
is it me (or my co-workers), or does it sound like I was the one who killed the Rice football player…
I appreciate the note, but Paul, can you update this so it does not sound like I am going to be implicated in a felony…
#27 by JJ on 09.27.06 11:16 am |
Concerning Choo’s underbill, the legible part simply reads, “I love you.” To whom he makes it out, I don’t know. Truly offensive, eh?
#28 by Forrest on 09.27.06 11:16 am |
More decal news: The University of Northern Colorado will have a memorial sticker in their game Thursday against Weber State in ESPNU. It will memorialize Sam Safken, who died last week after a battle with cancer.
No pictures yet-they should come Thursday.
#29 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 09.27.06 11:19 am |
Richard,
We know you are in there. Come out with your hands behind your head, walk slowly, and don’t try anything funny.
#30 by Paul Lukas on 09.27.06 11:20 am |
Reebok offers a variety of tailoring/construction templates and tries to offer each player as close to a custom fit as possible. Most teams do additional customizing in-house, although it isn’t always visible. I wrote about one such example last year.
#31 by Richard on 09.27.06 11:21 am |
jeez, I swear I was in Massachusetts the whole time…never been to Texas, because you don’t mess with Texas.
#32 by Paul Lukas on 09.27.06 11:23 am |
Wait, you mean you’ve just translated the Korean notation? Awesome! I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: Uni Watch readers are soooooooo amazing.
#33 by Dan B-P on 09.27.06 11:28 am |
At first I was surprised this story didn’t make the Florida article on logos, but then I remembered where the team involved was from…
In the mid-1990s, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were looking to crack down on unlicesned use of their creamsicle-era Buccaneer Bruce logo. They turned their attention to Beloit College, a Division III school in southern Wisconsin with an enrollment of 1300 (including my brother). Beloit’s teams go by the name Buccaneers as well, and their logo happens to look a lot like a mirrored version of Bucco Bruce. Tampa Bay was going to take legal action until it was discovered that Beloit College had been using the logo since well before 1976, the year the NFL expanded for the Bucs. Tampa Bay retracted its claim and slunk off to redesign their entire uniform, while Beloit’s teams still use this logo (on admittedly unpleasant unis) to this day.
Can’t find any real confirmation of this online (I doubt Tampa Bay would want to publicize it), but I heard it from a few sources growing up.
#34 by Jason on 09.27.06 11:35 am |
On the high school logo front, there was a high school near my hometown that was the “Fighting Kellys” and used Notre Dame’s mascot logo, facing it the other direction. Word has it that Notre Dame gave them a ‘cease and desist’ order.
The school where I used to teach took Wisconsin’s motion ‘W’ and made the middle ‘prong’ a point, rather than blocked off like UW’s. I guess they assumed it was changed enough but there was no question was it was patterned after.
#35 by Chad Edwards on 09.27.06 11:36 am |
My high school has a very good design IMO. Classic and Simple (aside from the navy/navy)
home
http://www.tmnews.co...
away
http://www.tmnews.co...
Our school nickname is “stars.” we logo looks like the Cowboys logo, but it’s not quite the same…it’s unique to us.
#36 by David on 09.27.06 11:39 am |
I think it is interesting to see the high school logos that are stolen from non-football sports. There is a Georgia team with an NHL logo on the page here:
#37 by David on 09.27.06 11:40 am |
link
here
#38 by Chad Edwards on 09.27.06 11:41 am |
Also, thre’s a high school in Indy named Cathedral. They copy Notre Dame exactly. Logo, name, jerseys, it’s all a complete copy. And the #1 team in the state, Warren Central completly rips off Wisconsin’s “W”
#39 by Matt on 09.27.06 11:44 am |
I wonder if the Arizona/Louisville Cardinals ever go after the millions of teams with similar Cardinals logos…
#40 by Peter on 09.27.06 11:49 am |
It looked liked Dusty Baker had something on his underbill during his pregame press conference yesterday at Wrigley. However, I don’t have any photographic evidence of this.
#41 by Johnny on 09.27.06 11:51 am |
Pity on the black underbills; I excitedly bought and wore a new M’s cap all summer with the black underbill, only to discern it’s just not as aesthetically balanced as the old grey underbills. Plus the grey underbill matches road-grey unis wonderfully. Wonder if the classic uni teams like the Yankees and Tigers will fight the new underbills.
#42 by Adam on 09.27.06 11:53 am |
A few years back I worked as the play-by-play guy for Monmouth College, one of Beloit’s conference foes. I remember the Bucs having easily the worst uniforms we encountered that season, though I didn’t know they had original claim to the logo.
#43 by redhotfro on 09.27.06 11:56 am |
What’s next? Is Penn State going to go after high schools with a navy stripe on their helmet? Maybe Nebraska can sue a high school for using a capital ‘N’ on their helmet. Is it enough that these schools are making money off athletes that they must threaten high schools with frivolous lawsuits over thus use of a helmet decal?
#44 by Jeff on 09.27.06 12:01 pm |
Though it was cool to see a HS football logo inspired by an NBA team!
http://football.bvhs...
#45 by 13monkeys on 09.27.06 12:02 pm |
Forgive me if this has already been discussed:
I was playing EA Sports NHL07 the other day and was psyched to see that players had umlauts and accents appropriately placed on their nameplates.
Is this something that the real NHL is implementing or just a cool game thing? I’ve tried to find pre-season photos of the players I noticed in game, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Naslund, but have been unsucessful so far.
#46 by Lincoln on 09.27.06 12:05 pm |
I live in the Aurora, Illinois area (though not originally from here). Upon perusing the Illinois helmet project page, I thought Aurora West’s take on the Wisconsin logo was pretty damn cool. That is a great site.
#47 by Lincoln on 09.27.06 12:12 pm |
Sorry, the link didn’t work like I expected. You have to click on the “Other Helmets Menu”, then click on the “Illinois HS Helmets”. Aurora West is in the fourth row, second from the left.
#48 by Rich on 09.27.06 12:12 pm |
All this time I’ve figured that high school teams using re-colored (or not) pro and college logos and helmet decals fell under fair use by an education institution or something of the sort.
#49 by Jonathon on 09.27.06 12:14 pm |
The Tigers might not mind the black underbills. They let Kenny Rogers wear it. Or to be more precise, they let Rogers wear his performance 3930 BP caps during regular games. He blacks out the colored stripe in the bill. You can tell, b/c 3930’s have a lower profile, and a dark underbill.
Tigers’ road 3930 with orange stripe:
http://shop.mlb.com/...
Kenny Rogers wearing home 3930 during a game:
http://sports.yahoo....
Kenny wearing the road 3930 during a game:
http://sports.yahoo....
I guess he has an aversion to wool. Probably just uses a black or navy sharpie to darken the brim.
#50 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 09.27.06 12:19 pm |
it is cool to see other sport team logos incorporated in HS or college but, i dont get that one. if the logo is adopted from the houston rockets, then it is safe to assume that the logo represents a capital R and a capital H, right? the high school there is the miami central rockets. i dont get where the H comes in.
its like having san diego’s interlocking SD as your logo if your team name is the spartans…the other letter is just hanging there!
#51 by Lincoln on 09.27.06 12:21 pm |
Definitely not. If there is money to made, there is no “free use”. But, if you read the article Paul linked to, Kansas State allows high school to use their logo for $1.00.
#52 by TBDRO on 09.27.06 12:24 pm |
I find that hard to believe. “Bucco Bruce” was designed by Lamar Sparkman, an artist and cartoonist for the Tampa Tribune. Somehow I don’t think the Buccaneers “borrowed” the logo from Beloit…
#53 by Jason on 09.27.06 12:24 pm |
The Milwaukee Bucks are unveiling new (purple-free) uniforms tomorrow at a season ticket holder function. Anyone have any leaks about those?
#54 by jesse on 09.27.06 12:28 pm |
Not for using a navy stripe but for use of its copyrighted images and logos…Penn State is very protective of those images and I know they have sent cease and desist letters to High Schools (Permian High School, of Friday Night Lights fame, used to use the chipmunk Lion logo). Incidentally, “Penn State†is trade mark of the Pennsylvania State University and can’t be used on a t-shirt without the permission of the University. Notre Dame cannot copyright Navy Blue, Gold or helmets with nothing on them; hence they are fair game to your local high school.
Duquesne University and the Detroit Tigers had protracted litigation over the use of the script D, based primarily over who used it first. It settled when they agreed the script D’s they were using were slightly different. For similar reasons there can be no litigation over the use of the “winged” design favored by Princeton and Michigan, since both schools have used it for so long, although as any uniwatch reader knows, Princeton used it first.
On another (similar) matter, I believe that the Seahawks and Eagles and Tampa all created new colors for the express purpose of obtaining legal protection for the use of that color. While you can’t patent Navy Blue, you protect “Seahawk Blueâ€, if you can prove you invented it. I notice this because I live in Pittsburgh which is rife with Black and Yellow hats that simply say “Pittsburgh”, which is perfectly legal under copyright laws. Because the name of a city, or common colors such as Black and Yellow cannot be protected under trademark or copyright laws.
#55 by Elwood on 09.27.06 12:31 pm |
Trademark holders have to defend their trademarks or risk losing them. They are not frivolous lawsuits.
I also doubt that Penn State has a trademark for a stripe or that Nebraska has a trademark for a simple block N.
#56 by a arauz on 09.27.06 12:33 pm |
It was probably his resume as his days destroying the cubbies’ pitching staff are dwindling down.
#57 by a arauz on 09.27.06 12:36 pm |
If they ever decide on a remake of the Kurt Russell/Robin Williams movie (time of their lives???). they could use these helmets, their high school team was the Rockets’, right?
anyone… anyone…. buehler… beuhler… buehler….
#58 by skott on 09.27.06 12:42 pm |
copying: didn’t the guy from princeton go to michigan and take the helmet logo w/ him?
all of those H.S. teams are biting on Princeton, not Michigan.
SIDENOTE:
maybe you should do a bit about what uni’s should change and to what?
i love the old Patriots logo, but still kinda like the new one…but i HATE the silver helmets…how could we discuss what we’d change about current logos in a constructive way?
#59 by Pat on 09.27.06 12:44 pm |
I don’t think any of these schools really care about teams using the logos on their helmets but when the booster clubs start selling t-shirts, it becomes another matter with lots of people getting involved.
http://129.130.29.13...
#60 by Peter Wunsch on 09.27.06 12:47 pm |
watching “my” ny rangers the other night I noticed that the player’s names were not stitched on in the usual tackle twill lettering.. instead, for pre-season they use the cheap-o iron-on variety… even the vets have the “lee press-on lettering
Of course these are the same Rangers who force season ticketholders to purchase 3 exhibition games and pay full price for them while using minor leaguers in the game.
Also, Reggie Roby always wore a watch while punting. One of the TV announcers stated that he did it to time how long his punts were airborne.
#61 by Chad on 09.27.06 12:52 pm |
Huh, I never realized that was an HR until now, thanks for pointing it out!
#62 by Michael on 09.27.06 12:52 pm |
I’ve heard of some high schools here in GA somehow buying the rights to use modified versions of certain team’s logos. One instance I know of is Oglethorpe County using the Patriots ‘Flying Elvis’ logo http://www.oglethorp... notice how the logo is all over the web site lol. I became aware of this through family connections that worked in that school system for 30 plus years. So there seems to be some sort of legal process to use a logo if the owner of that logo is willing to allow a high school to use it. Personally I’d prefer to see schools with there own original logos if possible rather than modifying an existing one.
#63 by Buckeye Mike on 09.27.06 1:01 pm |
As much as I HATE Michigan, the reason Delaware has the same helmets and unis is b/c one of there coaches came from UM, either as a couch or assist. or maybe even player, i’m not sure without looking it up, that much I know. ok, so I looked it up, his name was David M. Nelson and u can read about it here. But like Beano Cook said, “Michigan has the best helmets, but like Germany, it will find a way to lose”
#64 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 09.27.06 1:05 pm |
dude! the best of times! a great movie! one of my all time favorites!
i always thought that taft’s rival (bakersfield) was to be based on legendary ohio powerhouse massilon, but its not.
interesting uni nugget on this movie, reno hightower (russell) was famous in high school for wearing white shoes to play (very joe namath if you ask me). in the rematch, he comes out in the first half in black spikes, sucks, and after a deluge, comes out for the 2nd half wearing the white shoes. at which point one of the townies says “look! he’s wearing his white shoes!”
#65 by MetsfanAZ on 09.27.06 1:06 pm |
How about the “G” for Green Bay, Georgia and Grambling? Who had it first? Does anyone else have it?
#66 by Adam on 09.27.06 1:06 pm |
TriCity, a Georgia HS football team using a baseball logo.
#67 by Adam on 09.27.06 1:11 pm |
On a second run-through of the Georgia site, I found three other schools using a modification of the Twins’ “interlocking TC” logo.
#68 by tim on 09.27.06 1:19 pm |
I’m gonna ask the obvious question posed by today’s events.
When T.O. gets back on the field are they going to keep him away from shoe laces and belts? He’s gonna look pretty weird with velcro cleats.
#69 by Kevin on 09.27.06 1:19 pm |
Some Nationals relievers have their nicknames either written or burned on their cap underbills. I think this was former bullpen coach John Wetteland’s innovation. Rauch’s says “Wookiee,” although I’m not sure he has it spelled correctly. Chad Cordero’s says “Chief.” I’m not sure whether the other bullpen guys have nicknames and if they still do this since Wetteland got fired in June.
#70 by Brian from Short Island on 09.27.06 1:20 pm |
My HS doesn’t have a football team, but my local HS uses Alabama uniforms in Maroon (not crimson!), school name in block letters above the numbers. Helmet decals are your uniform number. Classy IMO.
#71 by Jonathon on 09.27.06 1:30 pm |
Tuscaloosa County also uses the TC logo.
Go to 6A, Region 5
http://www.mysportsp...
#72 by Rich on 09.27.06 1:34 pm |
The movie is “The Best of Times”
#73 by Ian K on 09.27.06 1:35 pm |
Back in 2000, Kansas State sued a high school from my hometown of Flower Mound, TX over use of their Powercat logo. K State uses purple while the school (Flower Mound High Jaguars) used navy & gold, and added whiskers and spots. Here is their version of the Powercat logo.
With all the borrowed logos from pro and college, it surprised me when K State pressed with litigation. The school had only been open for 6 months and had to change their uniforms and re-floor the gym with a different logo.
Of interest to me is how their new helmet logo resembles the NY Jets helmet logo. No lawsuit from the Jets though…
Luckily I went to crosstown Marcus High School, where we had our own idea of what a “good logo” is. Luckily the uniform looks like this.
Here’s the story from January 20, 2000. I was unable to link using a cached Google page though:
http://www.google.co...
#74 by Kim on 09.27.06 1:35 pm |
The Washington Post’s DC Sports Bog (don’t ask) has mention of a Washington Wizards ‘Alternate Road’ uni for the upcoming season. Black and gold. Who else is worried?
http://blog.washingt...
#75 by Michael on 09.27.06 1:46 pm |
The oval G was originated by the Green Bay Packers then in the sixties Vince Dooley had an athletic department employee modify it for UGA’s use. Later on Green Bay gave UGA & Grambling the permission to use it.
Another interesting case of a high school team using a college or NFL logo is the Grayson Rams, there helmet has the famous Ram horns & the secondary logo is the oval G. http://www.graysonra...
#76 by Barney on 09.27.06 1:52 pm |
Paul may be happy to now that Bishop Guertin High School in Nashua NH uses Packers replica uniforms. In fact, when the school started in the early 60’s, the Packers donated the uniforms. Urban legend has it that former Lions QB Greg Landry of Nashua was the go between to make this happen. The only drawback is that Bishop Guertin’s nickname is the Cardinals (Catholic connection: Bishop, Cardinal, duhh) and they occasionally slap a red replica cardinals logo on their uniforms.
#77 by a arauz on 09.27.06 2:01 pm |
I propose a T.O.-free zone here today… can anyone second that motion? :)
#78 by Kenny on 09.27.06 2:07 pm |
This was pretty cool I wonder if anyone has ever thought of actually using these for a H.S. football team
#79 by todd krevanchi (krvanch) on 09.27.06 2:09 pm |
hmm, i can hear people hitting photoshop creating that wizards uni…
other alternate nba news, i really dig that red nets alternate that was posted yesterday by michael…
#80 by Phil on 09.27.06 2:09 pm |
Why just today. T.O. Free forever !!
#81 by Teebz on 09.27.06 2:14 pm |
And I’ll follow the movie aesthetics up with “Bueller”, not Buehler. :o)
#82 by Pat on 09.27.06 2:14 pm |
Can we all atleast agree that copyright infringement is okay in atleast one case.
http://upload.wikime...
#83 by specs on 09.27.06 2:21 pm |
That is a cool idea to create MLB football helmets, if for nothing else than to see what they look like. But I thought they really messed some of them up. Why would the Pirates have metallic gold helmets instead of black or yellow? And I can’t imagine the Tigers using the D with the tiger instead of the old English D.
#84 by Kenny on 09.27.06 2:31 pm |
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I would have also like to see this Birds on Bat than this STL. There were some other I didn’t prefer either.
#85 by Sebastian on 09.27.06 2:35 pm |
The Tigers might not mind the black underbills. They let Kenny Rogers wear it. Or to be more precise, they let Rogers wear his performance 3930 BP caps during regular games. He blacks out the colored stripe in the bill. You can tell, b/c 3930’s have a lower profile, and a dark underbill.
Tigers’ road 3930 with orange stripe:
http://shop.mlb.com/...
Kenny Rogers wearing home 3930 during a game:
http://sports.yahoo....
Kenny wearing the road 3930 during a game:
http://sports.yahoo....
I guess he has an aversion to wool. Probably just uses a black or navy sharpie to darken the brim.
Finally! Kenny Rogers’ hat has been bothering me all season since he’s been with the Tigers. I couldn’t figure out if it was just a batting practice cap or if it was something else that was specially made. thanks for the clarification
#86 by Sebastian on 09.27.06 2:53 pm |
Oops I totally messed up that quote - it’s from post 49 btw. sorry about that
#87 by James on 09.27.06 3:02 pm |
Hey Adam Denob: Its spelled KASAY [end of comment deleted, knock it off -webmaster edit]
#88 by Steve on 09.27.06 3:05 pm |
I have SI’s “The Football Book.” It is pretty detailed and interesting. Of course, lots of vintage photographs that are handy for reference. I hope their baseball version is as good.
#89 by Steve on 09.27.06 3:11 pm |
The Marchus uniform looks better than the logo. But even it is a copy of the old Ohio State uniform.
#90 by Matthew on 09.27.06 3:40 pm |
My high school’s mascot is the Eagles, so they copy the basic outline of the Philaedelphia Eagles uniforms, only in red in white.
They uniforms used to be maroon and white (home jerseys solid red-maroon jerseys and white pants, reverse for road uniforms…very classy), but much to my dismay I have discovered in the 5 1/2 years since I graduated that they are now supplied by Adidas and have horrific red swathes over the shoulders of an otherwise white jersey which can be sort of seen here: http://www.sths.org/...
It was all this talk of High School uniforms that caused me to look up my alma mater’s uniforms and now I wish I hadn’t. Ignorance was bliss.
#91 by Nik on 09.27.06 4:06 pm |
My high school has a similar logo to the New England Patriots.
I’m not sure when the Patriots started using their new logo, but my school opened in 1992, and I think they had that logo the whole time.
I don’t know for sure though. I was 8.
They are the Champlin Park Rebels, if anyone cares to search.
#92 by Minna H on 09.27.06 4:08 pm |
Hey, James, there’s no need for name-calling. Come on, now.
My high school football team: Irondale Knights. Classy, even with the monochrome look. However, I don’t know what the hell is up with this. I think they are dancers for the marching band. What the?
#93 by Chip Bell on 09.27.06 4:17 pm |
I just got a new Star Struck catalog. On page 29 is a new jacket from Majestic called “Alternate Color Premier Jacket”. They have a navy blue Cardinals jacket, the Braves and Pirates jackets are red. The Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox and White Sox jackets are gray. And the Mets alternate color is blue.
#94 by James on 09.27.06 4:19 pm |
Sure there is, that idiot mispelled the name.
Actually, Adam will be a groomsman in my upcoming wedding so it was all in fun. He has already called me about it. And besides, he already knows he’s an idiot.
[Don’t do it here, no one knows you know him -webmaster edit]
#95 by Warren Thompson on 09.27.06 4:19 pm |
Keep in mind that the old Princeton/Michigan winged helmet with three front-to-back stripes was leather, and the wings and stripes were actually additional pieces of leather stitched onto the shell.
And BTW I believe the U. of Delaware sports a slightly lighter shade of blue than Michigan’s virtually navy tone.
#96 by Rich on 09.27.06 4:24 pm |
Looks like she’s part of the flag corps. It’s not unusual for them to have different color outfits and/or flags than the regular school colors, at least for my school. (I don’t know about PINK though!)