Comments on: Sunday Open Thread http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/ The Obsessive Study Of Athletics Aesthetics Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:25:38 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Duncan http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6999 Duncan Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:01:23 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6999 i'd love that i’d love that

]]> By: Barry Braun http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6896 Barry Braun Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:13:29 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6896 If anyone would be interested in a NASCAR paint schemes / driver suit blog I may be willing to give it a shot. Any writer interest? If anyone would be interested in a NASCAR paint schemes / driver suit blog I may be willing to give it a shot. Any writer interest?

]]> By: Chad http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6821 Chad Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:06:16 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6821 One nascar related uni note... The series is sponsered by Nextel. There are 2 drivers that are sponsered by rival companies, Jeff Burton and Ryan Newman. (Cingular and Alltel) Well, all drivers are required to wear a Nextel patch on the upper right of their racing suit, but Jeff Burton and Ryan Newman use black thread to display the Nextel patch which covers it up more so than other drivers. Here's a picture of Jeff Burton's blacked out Nextel logo http://i.a.cnn.net/nascar/2005/news/features/last_lap/04/26/lastlap_talladega/jeff.burton.384.jpg And a suit with a not blacked out nextel logo http://i.a.cnn.net/nascar/2005/news/features/conversation/10/05/cmears_kan/mears_2_193.jpg One nascar related uni note…

The series is sponsered by Nextel. There are 2 drivers that are sponsered by rival companies, Jeff Burton and Ryan Newman. (Cingular and Alltel) Well, all drivers are required to wear a Nextel patch on the upper right of their racing suit, but Jeff Burton and Ryan Newman use black thread to display the Nextel patch which covers it up more so than other drivers. Here’s a picture of Jeff Burton’s blacked out Nextel logo http://i.a.cnn.net/n...

And a suit with a not blacked out nextel logo

http://i.a.cnn.net/n...

]]> By: Sam Heddle http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6809 Sam Heddle Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:21:49 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6809 More motorsport stuff: Why can't people have simple helmet designs anymore? Gone are the days of the Hill's black and white oar helmets, and even Hakkinen's blue stripe helmet. Instead, we have atrocities like Tiago Monterio's helmet, and Alex Wurz's helmet. There are some good ones out there, like Schumacher's all red helmet, but they all suffer from too much complexity. More motorsport stuff: Why can’t people have simple helmet designs anymore? Gone are the days of the Hill’s black and white oar helmets, and even Hakkinen’s blue stripe helmet. Instead, we have atrocities like Tiago Monterio’s helmet, and Alex Wurz’s helmet. There are some good ones out there, like Schumacher’s all red helmet, but they all suffer from too much complexity.

]]> By: todd krevanchi (krvanch) http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6791 todd krevanchi (krvanch) Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:46:20 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6791 is it just me or does anyone else see a difference between what we have referred to as logo creep and a sponsorship? when i see a reebok logo on an nfl jersey, majestic on an mlb jersey, or any other logo on any other jersey, i recognize that to be the logo of the jersey manufacturer. so, a cardinals jersey has the team logo, and the uniform maker's logo. whereas in nascar, the national guard/subway didnt "make" greg biffle's car, neither did 3m, travelodge, mac tools, etc. they sponsor his car. is it just me or does anyone else see a difference between what we have referred to as logo creep and a sponsorship?

when i see a reebok logo on an nfl jersey, majestic on an mlb jersey, or any other logo on any other jersey, i recognize that to be the logo of the jersey manufacturer. so, a cardinals jersey has the team logo, and the uniform maker’s logo.

whereas in nascar, the national guard/subway didnt “make” greg biffle’s car, neither did 3m, travelodge, mac tools, etc. they sponsor his car.

]]> By: MattP http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6790 MattP Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:44:36 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6790 [quote comment="6787"] I looked for a photo but couldn't find one, but did anyone else think that the white patch on the lower back of the Ferrari driver suit looked a bit too much like a thong? Who approved that?[/quote] I saw that too. What was interesting to me is that Massa's suit had that weird white patch while Schumacher's did not. JJD said:

I looked for a photo but couldn’t find one, but did anyone else think that the white patch on the lower back of the Ferrari driver suit looked a bit too much like a thong? Who approved that?

I saw that too. What was interesting to me is that Massa’s suit had that weird white patch while Schumacher’s did not.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6789 Ryan Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:41:54 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6789 I, for one, would definitely welcome an occasional NASCAR drop in here once in a while. For the record, I do consider ther car paint schemes to be a "uniform" of sorts. They're how you identify the drivers out there on the track. I'd say that makes them a uniform. I, for one, would definitely welcome an occasional NASCAR drop in here once in a while. For the record, I do consider ther car paint schemes to be a “uniform” of sorts. They’re how you identify the drivers out there on the track. I’d say that makes them a uniform.

]]> By: a arauz http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6788 a arauz Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:40:05 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6788 Well said, Sir. I think I speak for a large part of this community when I say 'Paul, you are not allowed to leave this blog at any time !' It is clear to me that we cannot be left unattended. Like romper room, if you will. & one other thing: If we're going to start discussing non sports like professional left-- turning, when's the professional wrestling thread start? Well said, Sir.
I think I speak for a large part of this community when I say ‘Paul, you are not allowed to leave this blog at any time !’ It is clear to me that we cannot be left unattended. Like romper room, if you will.
& one other thing: If we’re going to start discussing non sports like professional left– turning, when’s the professional wrestling thread start?

]]> By: JJD http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6787 JJD Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:27:42 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6787 [quote comment="6766"]A month or two ago, Michael Schumacher's Ferrari overalls departed from their standard Marlboro red-and-white to add some yellow highlights.[/quote] I looked for a photo but couldn't find one, but did anyone else think that the white patch on the lower back of the Ferrari driver suit looked a bit too much like a thong? Who approved that? Paul Tracy's prerace get-up in Montreal was pretty neat, too. Also, I live in the Seattle-area, and while I was enjoying my dinner at a local eatery a guy walked in with what looked to be a brand-spankin' new Bristol Motor Speedway baseball jersey. It was black-and-yellow with a 36 on the back. I asked him if he had gone to Bristol for the race, and he had, and I wondered aloud what the "36" was all about, since there is no car #36 and the track is well over 36 years old. It turned out there was a little degree symbol there as well, as the turns at Bristol are banked 36 degrees. Richard said:

A month or two ago, Michael Schumacher’s Ferrari overalls departed from their standard Marlboro red-and-white to add some yellow highlights.

I looked for a photo but couldn’t find one, but did anyone else think that the white patch on the lower back of the Ferrari driver suit looked a bit too much like a thong? Who approved that?

Paul Tracy’s prerace get-up in Montreal was pretty neat, too.

Also, I live in the Seattle-area, and while I was enjoying my dinner at a local eatery a guy walked in with what looked to be a brand-spankin’ new Bristol Motor Speedway baseball jersey. It was black-and-yellow with a 36 on the back. I asked him if he had gone to Bristol for the race, and he had, and I wondered aloud what the “36″ was all about, since there is no car #36 and the track is well over 36 years old. It turned out there was a little degree symbol there as well, as the turns at Bristol are banked 36 degrees.

]]> By: Paul Lukas http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6785 Paul Lukas Mon, 28 Aug 2006 04:13:57 +0000 http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2006/08/27/sunday-open-thread-2/#comment-6785 [quote comment="6776"]I just think that embracing NASCAR would throw a wrench in the spokes of every argument Paul has made against logo creep. ... If Paul is trying to expand his fan base by including NASCAR, I don't blame him. ... I just don't think NASCAR fits within whatever loose or imaginary logo creep guidelines Uni-watch has established.[/quote] Coupla things here: (1) I didn't try to "expand" anything. The weekend open-discussion pages have been initiated by Uni Watch webmaster John Ekdahl, not by me (as you can see by looking at the fine-print "posted by" notation at the base of today's very short entry), so he's the one who chose the photo. Haven't spoken with him since getting back from Wisconsin (more on that tomorrow), so I don't know if HE was trying to "expand" the audience. I suspect he was just trying to sneak in some coverage of a sport he likes. (2) I don't cover Nascar because I know and care very little about it. Much like soccer, it just ain't my bag. But as for as logo creep goes, you're all missing the point: Logo creep for individual sports is way different than for team sports. If I'm a Mets fan, the only logo I should see on the team's uniform is the Mets logo, because the bond between fan and team should never be tampered with. Keeping that bond pure is how we're able to keep rooting for the team even as the different players come and go. But if I'm a Richard Petty fan (or Roy Jones Jr., or Rafael Nadal, or Phil Mickelson, or any other non-team athlete), that's different -- I'm not rooting for a team, I'm just rooting for an individual. And if that individual wants to plaster his gear with product sponsorships, I don't really have such a problem with that. I mean, I wish they wouldn't do it, but it's not the same thing as putting ads on a team uni. I can discuss this in greater detail, but I think everyone understands the points I'm making here, yes? Mike from Queens said:

I just think that embracing NASCAR would throw a wrench in the spokes of every argument Paul has made against logo creep. … If Paul is trying to expand his fan base by including NASCAR, I don’t blame him. … I just don’t think NASCAR fits within whatever loose or imaginary logo creep guidelines Uni-watch has established.

Coupla things here:

(1) I didn’t try to “expand” anything. The weekend open-discussion pages have been initiated by Uni Watch webmaster John Ekdahl, not by me (as you can see by looking at the fine-print “posted by” notation at the base of today’s very short entry), so he’s the one who chose the photo. Haven’t spoken with him since getting back from Wisconsin (more on that tomorrow), so I don’t know if HE was trying to “expand” the audience. I suspect he was just trying to sneak in some coverage of a sport he likes.

(2) I don’t cover Nascar because I know and care very little about it. Much like soccer, it just ain’t my bag. But as for as logo creep goes, you’re all missing the point: Logo creep for individual sports is way different than for team sports. If I’m a Mets fan, the only logo I should see on the team’s uniform is the Mets logo, because the bond between fan and team should never be tampered with. Keeping that bond pure is how we’re able to keep rooting for the team even as the different players come and go. But if I’m a Richard Petty fan (or Roy Jones Jr., or Rafael Nadal, or Phil Mickelson, or any other non-team athlete), that’s different — I’m not rooting for a team, I’m just rooting for an individual. And if that individual wants to plaster his gear with product sponsorships, I don’t really have such a problem with that. I mean, I wish they wouldn’t do it, but it’s not the same thing as putting ads on a team uni. I can discuss this in greater detail, but I think everyone understands the points I’m making here, yes?

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